A GAME CHANGING CLUB FOR YOUR BAG // Mikey's Got a 7 Wood, Should You Get One Too?
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Today, Mikey is testing out a newly built 7 wood to compare to his current T200 4 iron.
Long irons vs fairway woods. It is a topic often discussed when selecting which tools will be most beneficial on the course. Will Mikey make the permanent switch to a launch assisted 7 wood?
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Introduction
00:27 - Long Range Gapping
02:39 - Titleist T200 4 Iron
04:55 - Ping G430 Max 7 Wood, Diamana TB 80, 3/4 Inch Tipped & 41 Length
10:08 - Final Thoughts
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Petition for Mikey to seriously test a 9 wood
It’s coming soon!!
DJ had a 9 wood in the bag. It made me put my pride aside and go try one. @@ianfrasergolf
The pga tour won’t let him
Agree. For us if not for him. Push ego aside for a moment.
Ian coming in hot with the compliments 😂
Ya know Mikey… for someone who isn’t naturally gifted with speed, height, accuracy, feel, touch, talent, composure, or looks, at least there’s a club that gives you a chance😂
Lmao 🤣
Typical Ian. I can take it and give it back but clearly my response was cut!
@@mikemartysiewicz 😂😂😂
yes but the mans haircut is always immaculate but you goota love Mikey a real sweetheart
cheers from Norcal
@@bobbo857
Does it come with a skirt Mikey? ;)
"not naturally gifted with height or speed, or anything that would be beneficial" Mikey grins and knows he owes Ian one.
New Club Champion slogan: Equalizing golfers not gifted with speed, height, accuracy, strength, touch, or natural abilities 😂😂😂 We feel ya Mikey
That was funny. I hate it when my buddies tell me the truth about my game too. " I'm a tremendous slouch" (Caddie Shack)
Absolute back door bustin’ balls gem
Apart from the fact that these videos are very informative, it is the banter that makes that bit more special!!! Really, really enjoying the new format. Keep it up!!!
😂😂
The low-key banter is top notch. Mikey's extended reaction to Ian's deadpan quip of "liking a bit or role play..." was glorious, if not revealing. Mikey, anything you want to tell the group?! Hahahahaha
Ian’s a dummy! 😂
@@mikemartysiewicz😘
I can’t see myself not having a 7 wood in the bag ever again. It’s a 210-220 pitching wedge essentially. 4 iron is as a good run, and I’ll keep mine for crazy windy days. But otherwise ✌️
Love that Mike is doing the fitting videos, his numbers are much closer to the averages most golfers at at. Guys like Ian are in a totally different category relative to speed which make the videos much harder to relate to.
7 wood is a winner for me. And I'm reasonably high club head speed (110--115 w/ driver). Found my 4 iron was really just a useful when punching out of trees. I never used it off the tee, and it was much harder to hit from most other lies than 7w, and 7w just goes where you want it to go. Mishits with the 4i were much more erratic.
What do you use at the top of your bag otherwise? The end of the last season I was testing using my 21* hybrid over a 4 iron with a 15* 3w and an 18* 5w. Just wondering how people are building the top of their bags with 7w.
I either play two drivers (or a driver and a mini driver), then 4w, 7w, but other times I'll play one driver then a strong 3w, 5w, 7w@@DrDaveYT
@@DrDaveYT I just got fitted for clubs. About 105 clubbed on driver, so not a very fast player. New driver was going about 260 carry. My 4 iron is about 200-205. So I wanted a 240 club and a 220 club. The g430 lft (slightly higher loft) 3 wood got me that 240 and the standard g430 7 wood hit that 220 number dead on. I tried a 3 hybrid but it really only got 215 and was not nearly as consistent. The 7 wood felt like it hit itself.
One thing I like about 7 wood is you can choke down and/or take partial swings but still get the height to make the shot work. It makes it a flexible club for hitting a variety of distances. The disadvantage, of course, is when you're playing in very windy conditions. But even then, it's only a problem with the wind directly in your face.
I game a 4W & 7W, fantastic combo as easier to get off the deck than a 3W-5W combo. I got a like new 21* 7w with a lady’s shaft for $21 at 2nd Swing, swapped the shaft into it. Worked great. I wanted a 235 off the tee/225 off the deck club, perfect for it !
Gotta love Ian and Mikey! The knowledge, the expertise, the banter... I could hang out with these guys all day! ⛳🏌️♂️😂
The straight tone when identifying the lack of talent, speed, or any attributes to hit high and with spin made my day!
I have always been a fan of 2 woods and recently fit into 4 wood & 7 wood... SO great in the top of the bag
❇️ I have a Callaway 5 and 7 wood from 2002 ✅ use these if the wind 💨 isn’t too strong ❇️ once the wind kicks up I have a Mizuno forged 2 iron 18 degree with a VeloCore shaft ❇️
Nice video. I had to read the caption twice when it said a 19 degree 4-iron!! Wowsers, that’s stronger than my 3-iron
I love my 7 wood. I'm a high swing speed player so I carry it far enough that I don't need to carry another club between that and my driver so I can throw in another wedge at the lower end of the bag.
I made the swith from a 19° hybrid to a 20° TSR1 #7 wood with a Tensei Blue 75 S. So easy to elevate, so easy to land softly. It has quickly become one of my favorite clubs in the bag.
just added one to my bag, 915F with graphite design mj-6s very excited for it!
I have a Sim2 7 wood with a Ventus black on it that I got used from golfwrx couple years back. It will be in the bag for the next couple years for sure
7 woods are so awesome. Game changer. Wish I thought of it 10 years ago.
Big proponent of the Callaway Heavenwood 🔥 I switched out of a 3 hybrid to a 5 wood a couple of years ago after watching your videos to get more height and stability in my shots. Realized that I missed having a hybrid/rescue and was struggling to hit my 4i, so got a 4 hybrid. Then, 5W started flying lower than my 3W and tested out 7Ws. They went high but were going shorter than the 4H. Tried out a Heavenwood, and it definitely is heaven 🙌🏽
If I was consistently hitting out of the fairway, I'd 100% have a 7 wood in the bag. Since I'm not...I go Driver, 3 wood, 3 hybrid (19*), 4 hybrid (22*) (Ping G425's) and dropped the 4 iron. Best decision I could've made even though I'm a young single digit handicapper. If you can find a hybrid you love, they are lethally versatile. There is no reason to have a 4 iron in the bag anymore, unless you're a scratch or plus HC golfer, using it to it's absolute full potential.
Totally agree. I'm also a young(ish) low single digit, and I took out the 4 iron last year for a hybrid. I'll never go back. Like you said, unless you're highly skilled, and have tons of speed, the long irons are pointless. In fact, I'm taking the 5 iron out this coming year, too. I'm very comfortable with my longest iron being a 6.
@@winstonsmith11 my longest iron is a 6 iron strong loft though so closer to a 5 iron. then I have a 7 wood, 4 hybrid, 3 wood and driver. I find the 4 hybrid is a good fairway finder or low fight shot and 7 wood great out of rough or long shots stopping on greens. I play off 4.3 WHS and having the 7 wood and 4 hybrid opened up my scoring heavily
I’m the other way completely. Can’t get on with any hybrids, especially from any kind of rough. 4 iron for me is so so reliable that I’ve been testing the matching 3 iron, trying to replace my 19* 3 hybrid.
@@_bstr_ct1832 I would definitely go for a fitting or lesson on those clubs then, as no 3/4 iron is easier to hit than a more forgiving wood. I’ve seen some people have their shaft far too long on woods though as well
@@_bstr_ct1832 Totally understand, that’s why I said “if you can find a hybrid you love”. It was quite the journey, but the Ping hybrids in their flat lie angle setting eliminates the hooks most people get. I get the hooks with woods (except 3 wood, which I only use off the tee) and not hybrids, so that’s why I’m on the hybrid train, plus it helps me with great shots from less than ideal lies in the trees. I didn’t become a single digit HC until I took that 4 iron out.
I remember when Johnny Miller won his last PGA event, at Pebble Beach, he used a 7 wood, a lot. He’s such a shot maker and he put on a clinic with that club. He hit a shot into the wind on that par 3 where Nicklaus hit a 1 iron years ago. He hooded that 7 wood and hit a low shot under a howling wind to lock up the win. Very useful club.
Just decided to use a 7 wood for max height into greens. My utility also players distance irons were not enough height at 75-80 feer
Absolutely get one! I'm not slow and I have a 7w to replace my 4i and it's an absolute asset for going into par5s from 210-215. It goes high and lands soft, something that most of us couldn't do with a 4i. Hybrids look funny to me and look like they have too much loft.
Got a TSR 2 7 wood this summer on recommendation from my local fitter. Went from a 3 hybrid (Was struggling out the rough and stopping it on greens), 7 wood is an absolute dream, amazing on long Par 3's, just floats on to greens and so much easier to hit out of the rough... and fairway bunkers it turns out!! 12hcp.
I have a 4 wood as my second longest club, and picked up a TSI1 7 wood used for black Friday. I am somewhat paranoid of having the wind knock it down, but I could see it being a weapon on calm days
I put a 7 wood in my bag a couple years ago when I had a shoulder replacement. It's my favorite club. I'm 71yo bogey golfer.
My 7 wood was gamechanging to scoring. Unbelievably useable in the rough, or throwing long shots in to greens with confidence it stops on a dime. such a easy club to hit as well, a definite confidence building club
I recently replaced my 21 degree 4 hybrid (Cobra Radspeed) with a TSR2 7 wood (also 21 degrees). I get the same carry distance, but much higher ball flight and more spin. It was the club I needed, as the 4 hybrid just had too penetrating of a ball flight and could not hold a green. 7 wood with a deeper cog was the answer!
Love this video. The area between driver and 4 iron has always been troublesome for me. I've recently been fit for g430 5 wood at 3wood length and standard length 7 wood what a difference the 4 iron is at home.
with friend's like Ian, who needs enemies! LOL, love the banter
From 6.30 to around 7.02 is so BLOODY funny and out of nowhere. Well bloody done 👍
I love catching Mikey off guard with the jabs!! 😂
Got myself a TSR2 7-wood that turned into a massive game changer for me from the 220 to 240 distance, just the perfect thing for those +/- 500 yard Par 5’s.
Went in 2-3 years ago looking for a 3 hybrid. The guy suggested a G425 7w to try. Has been the best club in my bag since that day. Recently replaced my 4h with a G430 9w also.
I don't carry a 3 iron anymore for this reason! The 4 iron might be getting the boot someday too if it's not careful
Are you switching out of the 4h for stopping power due to the height you get with 9w or is for another reason?
@dennisjefferson2052 Yes partially. I had a 4-5 hybrid. My 5h (26*) flies around 185 carry. But my 4h (23*) was only carrying around 190 and rolling out further than I wanted. So I got the 9w and now can comfortably carry it 195-200 higher with more spin. Gaps out better with my 7w which carries 205-210.
I carry the Ping 5 , 7, and 9 Woods. Recently added a Callaway 11 Wood. Love em !!!
7 wood rocks!!! Solid work! I have stuck and hit so many greens and 250 yard 7 wood with 75xx HOF platinum shaft so good Callaway Rouge head, so easy and in balance with club
That was fun! Interesting that he tipped the 7 wood…can’t argue with the results!
Awesome video, if we could all park our egos. I have been mythering about the top end of my bag for a year. Went for a fitting and decided on the 5 wood instead
Hahaha love Fraz rippin on Mikey!
😂😂
@@ianfrasergolf any reason why the 7 wood vs a 3 hybrid?
I love my 7w it’s very consistent distance. A little thin is still going 215 and a perfect struck shot may only be 3 yards longer. Hybrids for me tend to be very jumpy and go from 210 then randomly jump to 230. I wish I did have a 4iron for windy days though.
I used to play and work with a two time major winner years ago.
A beautiful bouquet of head covers he said. 9 wood, 11 wood and something else.
Amazing accuracy!! Still couldn’t beat him but
Came close a few rare times. Then there was the putting…
I have a stealth 5, 7 and just recently a 9 wood. 13 handicap, and just LOVE the effortless height and stopping power of the 7 and 9 wood for attacking greens or on par 3s. Mikey needs a 9 wood, it just makes the bag a little cluttered.
Went for a fitting at the Mississauga location for this exact reason. Way too inconsistent with my 4 iron and I had no confidence. Got fit for g430 max 7 wood and it is so easy to hit.
I dropped my 3 wood and 4iron years ago and replaced them with the RBZ 5 and 7 woods back in the day and haven’t looked back. I’ve tried hybrids and utility irons but nothing comes close! High launch, good distance, spin and drop on a dime. Light ruff is even good! Those clubs are almost automatic and so easy and forgiving .
My golfing buddy has been soundly beating me playing blades and his trusty 7 wood since the 1990’s. I finally joined the 7 wood club a few months ago and found out what I was missing. Ping G425 Max.
I play Ping I500 iron 5-p but couldn't make good friends with my 4 iron so I bought a Ping G425Max 7 wood 3 months ago and it's fantastic..
The Apex UW is so good at doing what Mikey's done with this 430 7w.
I’m no Mikey, will be 83 in June. But have played for over 60 years and still use forged blades with traditional lofts 34 degree 7 iron. It became painfully clear over the past 4 or 5 years that I no longer had the swing speed you need to get the proper height and descent angle as well as carry and gaps between my 3, 4 and 5 irons. My 31 degree 6 iron was really the last one I could use. That’s equivalent to a TM P790 or Ping i530 7 iron. So in 2022 I added a Callaway Epic Max 21 degree 7W and last year a Callaway Paradym 9W. They replace the 3,4 and 5 irons. For me, the 7W is for 160-175 yard shots and the 9W for 150-165 depending on wind, etc. They have helped tremendously with approach shots and par 3s. Also great for getting out of the rough alongside fairways. Since my 6 iron is really a 135-140 yard club, there is a bit too much gap with the 9W that may widen a bit more as I get better with the 9W, so my next change might be an 11W or a similarly lofted hybrid, making 7 my longest iron. BTW, though I am a super senior who realized he needed help, what convinced me that 7 woods and 9 woods were for serious players was learning that the mighty Dustin Johnson had both in the bag. He could hit the same distance with a 2 iron or driving iron, but the woods gave him the height and descent angle needed to make the ball stop on small, hard and fast greens. So agree, have Mikey also demo 9 woods.
I grabbed a TSR2 7 wood and that thing is soo satisfying to hit. Carries 215 with a little fade with no effort. Definatly one of my favorite clubs in the bag. Mikey show us what a 9 wood does theres no ego in the fitting bay brother.
I have a ladies shaft 28° RBZ six wood it’s my go to club 165 into the wind and downwind up to 200 yards is the most used club in my bag and stops on a dime. My driver swing speed is 95 mph
My favorite club in the bag is the most versatile besides the lw is my 7 wood thingy…. It’s a 19* apex uw bent to 20.5 built at 40 with a Speeder Evo 7 757X at d5.5. It’s just money from 240 and works for two par threes at SV 7 at 239 and 16 at 229. It’s a lot easier to talk to than the 2 iron.
I play the G series Ping hybrids, 2 17° & 4 22°, best things I ever invested in, even had an eagle on a par 5 w/the 4
I tried a Ping 7 wood on the back 9 at Spyglass years ago.
The from 9 was a bad as it gets with a 3 wood right into the snack shack on9! That’s bad…
Finally took out the 7 and some unbelievable
Shite and recovery with a 38 on the back!
I still have that Ti Tec 7 wood and still play it! Tiny but very effective.
Now, what about the G 430 5 wood at 17 degrees? Thinking about that for a while.
Ian’s comments crack me up. He’s the master. 😅”you like a bit of role play”
Had to let him have it John today!! 😉
Not having Mikey's speed (nor his good looks), my 4i replacement is an old G410 4 hybrid lofted up to 23 degrees which is good for 185-190 yard carry, I then go to a 7w which is good for 195-200 yard carry.
Looking at Mikey's build I am very tempted to upgrade the 7w, that G430 7w just looks so good to me
Great hitting - ping 430 7w is simply a ridiculously good club.
I found a Callaway Epic Speed 3w and 7w combo at 2nd Swing while on a business trip. They followed me home from the trip and they have the Ventus Red 8tx and 9tx in them. The 3wood is really good but the 7 wood is something else. I'm a +4, was a 2 iron user for 20+ years, but don't have the game for a real 2 iron anymore. I have also NEVER gotten along with any hybrid or utility iron long term except for my Gen 6 PXG but it tended to be to low spin at times. I can do anything I need to with this 7 wood. I had been toying with the idea of a 7 wood for a few years but never pulled the trigger as I never could find one to demo with a shaft in the weight and profile range I like. One lucky business trip to Dallas and I'm a 7 wood convert for life.
I have this same club for the same reason. Shafted with Tensei Pro Orange....maybe I should looking at Mikee's fav TB tho! My ONLY issue is the wind! It climbs faster than Alex Honnold
Ian goin hard on Mikey today, hilarious.
7 wood has been the best thing i put in my bag. Non of the others worked good for me in that space. Ping g425 lofted 1 down in flat . Can hit it from anywhere
Ian was on fire today
7w has been the biggest bandaid for my game. I’m about 114 driver ss and my 7w has been a birdie machine for me going into par 5s in that 225-245 distance. Made birdie from 234 uphill over trees last weekend. A shot I would have 100% laid up on without that club
Opens new browser window to book a shortened length, G430 7w fitting with Tim. Love the Big Minus G430 7 wood to open the face and loft it down a wee bit. I'm in. The G430 3Hy just doesn't' t have the height for me. Ain't working.
Love my Cobra 7 wood.
Thinking about this myself, going with irons 5-LW and then a five and seven wood added to my driver and three wood.
I know you like a little role play......awesome.
"Someone like you, not gifted with height or speed..."
Jeeze Ian, cut the little guy a break!🤣
Did the opposite move last year: gave up my beloved 2007ish R7 7w for a Stealth 4h. Lost some height and control for sure, but the difference out of the rough is night and day.
I swapped my 4 iron for a 7 wood it's actually become my favourite/most reliable club in the bag
You ain’t gonna believe this Fraz/Mikey….of all the clubs I’ve tested with Rick on his channel and at Tester Days at driving ranges……I’ve never hit a 7wd yet. This I think is gonna have to change very very soon.
After taking 10+ years off form playing due to multiple shoulder surgeries, I have a hard time hitting 4 and 5 iron. I think 7 wood is definitely for me
My 5 wood hits greens at 235 yards. My 3 wood hits greens at 255 yards away. My 6 iron gets good height at almost 90 feet. Should probably get an instructor to get more height on my long irons.
Went with a 22 hybrid tuned down to 20. Pulled off some shots a 3 iron couldn’t dream of 😂
Went with a 7 wood years ago. Only problem is on windy days and I tend to not play on those.
Wondering if Mike’s arm length is a bit longer than his height. That might explain why he prefers the shorter shafted FWs and hybrids.
Tried one and went well but generally play in 15 mph + wind and absolutely kills it from height
I took my 3-wood out of the bag at least 5-6 years ago and replaced it with a 16.5* 4-wood that is 42.25” long. About the same time, I added a 7-wood to my arsenal (21*, which I have since adjusted down to 20* loft), and 41” playing length). After about 4.5 to 5 years of use, I cracked the carbon crown on that adjustable 7-wood, and although I repaired the cracked crown with some high-impact epoxy it has never been the same! I have tried 2 or 3 other 7-woods, plus a 20* “utility wood” in search of a suitable replacement and the search continues. I just recently bought a new Tour Edge Exotics E723 7-wood, and hope to give it an initial test run this week if the weather cooperates. Hopefully, this will be “the one”!
For the vast majority of mid-handicap golfers (as well as some low-cappers like Mikey), a 7-wood, or a similarly lofted “utility wood” with it’s shorter shaft length, can be one of the best clubs to have in their bags.
Get the nine wood lol I’ve got one in place of my 7 wood and love it 👍
Will definitely be looking into a 7 wood
Get one 💪💪
Ditched my 3 wood about a year ago went to ping g 430 sft 5&7 wood. I’m 75 yrs young I’m not a big hitter 7 wood 175 yds 5 wood 190yds but they are so easy to launch and constantly hit these numbers. I am being fitted for g430 irons as a Xmas gift from wife 6 iron up and I’m seriously thinking of 9 wood to fill the gap maybe hybrid but fitter thinks 9 wood is a no brainer maybe ask son to fund it for my Xmas. Should have said I play west coast Scotland and these woods hold up against the wind brilliantly
Ian's mic work is getting up there 🎤👍
I have a shortened 7w and will keep it in the bag.
7w is a cheat code. Love mine
Here’s a tip Mikey, turn up the loft of the 7wood, that will close the face and knock a little distance off. Then throw out the 3 wood and get a 5w. Game changer!! Proud to see your cool with a 7w.
Ian needs to try standup. This was pretty funny stuff. Just got a 7 wood delivered yesterday. Cant wait to use it.
the high cut 7 wood is my fav shot in golf! I have tried all the new 7 woods including the ping on the market and you will not pry my x2 hot 7 wood out of my cold dead hands! I also carry a 4 hybrid in the same loft its crazy I carry the 4 hybrid 165 and I carry the 7 wood 180
Mikey needs a putting wood...lets go baby!
his 4 iron needs to be bent up some.
Interesting comments regarding length of fareway woods, can you expand more?
I struggle with height also. Got the g425 7w and g430 9w. Cant launch a 3w so I have a stealth 2+ 5w. I'm 38 and carry a 5-7 cap. Ditch the ego and good things can happen 😂
Hi Ian & Mikey loved this Video👍, Mikey striping the 7Wood & smiling Ian teasing about 9Wood next, the Ping G430 7Wood is my go to club (changed the 45gram shaft) to 60gram Tensei for better higher flight plus straighter shot’s 😊,Thanks Dickey 9hcp 76year senior golfer UK
I swing driver at 97mph and play a 6h (0.5in short) as my 5i and a 9w (1in short) as my 4i. Full confidence I have the same land angle into greens through whole bag. So many guys out there throwing hail mary shots on that part of the bag.
Hey Mike... I'm Scottish and that Colin Montgomery Comparison even offended me !!! LOL Love that you are making really good swings and keeping a Straight Face in spite of Ian !!! LOL
Hey Mikey, Don't knock the 9 Wood! I have a Ping G410 7 Wood for 220 Yards and Ping G425 9 Wood for 205 Yards. I love them both!!! I can't get the height and stopping power with the 4 Iron like I do with the Woods.
Gonna be a weapon for Mikey boy
Went G425 3w/5w/7w this past summer. So much better than the PXG's I had been bagging. 3w especially. High and long. The 7w I can hit 170.5w is about 190. 3w maybe 210 on a good strike. Not hitting wipey, slicey fairways now. Got me down to mid 80's. Need a better short game. Stop the 2 pitches to get on from 50 yards. The occasional 3 putt. These add 6-8 strokes a round.
Young Mikey never struck me as a roleplay guy but I can see it now! xD
My current bag setup is driver, 3w, 5w, 4i but have been contemplating going to driver, 4w, 3h, 4i. I love my 5w, but rarely hit the 3w off the deck as it is sometimes spot on and sometimes in the crapper! Thinking 4w gives me the best of both worlds and having a 3h to help with the gapping and ease from trouble with distance. Thoughts?
I went from 65 feet to 95 switching my 3 hybrid to a g430 fw 7. 32 degreee vs 47 land angle aswell
I carry a Hybrid and driving iron that go the same yardage but I use them differently and it helps with being more versatile
I do the same. My home course is known for afternoon winds here in Rockies and there are no 230-245 forced carries. My 19* hybrid allows very high, soft approaches but it tends to spin up more than I like for my home course. I carry it when we travel and I need those long approaches onto small and/or firm greens. While I’m more confident w/my U84 20* utility, when I need a higher, softer landing, I have to hit a cut-fade which then costs me 10-15 yds. My biggest issue with my hybrid is my dispersion which is not as consistent as utility iron. It goes straight maybe 50-60% of time but my misses are either a little left to way left, especially when I really jump on it. Not blaming the club as it’s the chef, not the utensil, just that the hybrid margin for my errors are lesser than with my U84 iron.
I do not carry a 5 or 7 wood as again, higher is not better at my home course and I’m not as capable shaping shots w/fw clubs than I am w/hybrid and especially my utility irons. Fw woods are more one-trick pony, a 19* is also more a 5W as I play my TSi3 3W at 16.5*.