@@allaboutthemurzic at least the kaguya stans have something to stand behind she scales relative or above six paths amped naruto and sasuke juubidara gets mopped by base naruto with six paths amp who Sakura is stronger than
@@yourwrongandhereswhy9796 So many of the arguments for Kaguya being stronger than whoever are backed by headcanon and pure wank with them completely overrated her abilities and exagerrating all kinds of shit
1:51 Now this part, in particular, is something that I vibe with 100%. If how you personally feel affects your ability to engage in a discussion to such a level where you either don't wanna even care for the other person's arguments or that you don't even wanna entertain the idea that they might be right, then you shouldn't engage because you're just going to come at it the wrong way. This not only applies to vs debates but critically discussing media in general. I hate the shit out of Sakura's characterization (and if I rewatch the series, I can probably prove why its trash), but if a guy made a large vid about why she might beat a major villain, I'm not gonna shit all over it before it even starts. Most people in the community are guys in their 20s and yet they can't do something as basic as either argue with evidence or engage in good faith in a debate about fiction and that is fucking sad. If Sakura's flat ass beating up Madara bothers you that much, make like Hinata's bust size and grow up.
@@sarveshnathan7559 not really, her arc is realistic and gives the audience a normal personal perspective as oppose to naruto and sauske. Not to mention in my opinion her powers are cool and her design is good
@@sarveshnathan7559 1. We are not talking about wanting to save someone you love and he loves you we are talking about her background story getting bullied not being from a special family it's way more relatable than having red eyes and your big brother killed your entire clan or having an inner demon named kyuubi inside of you
@@sarveshnathan7559 you have clearly mever been truly in love with someone before, yeah it may be a bit dramatized but being truly attached to someone and loving them and wanting the best for them can make you do some stupid shit, i know from experience
The way people let their bias affect their power scaling and vice versa is so funny to me😂 Ive seen multiple people say that they hate Goku as a character because some of the scaling in Super made no sense.....and that was the only reason.
It depends on the reason someone gives, I personally despise Sakura as a character for how many times she actively drags down a situation, refusing to use any of her established abilities in favor of using Summoning Jutsu: Naruto Uzumaki as well as making fun of orphans to other orphans then getting upset when those orphans get mad at her for making fun of orphans. But I also have dealt with many people who refuse to accept Sakura's feats because she 'never did anything' and thus all the cases of her doing something don't count because she's just useless. If someone can't pinpoint a reason why they think she's useless or hate her, I generally attribute it to sexism because sometimes they'll discount feats she shares with Naruto and Sasuke but give it to them anyways, and those are especially obvious times where sexism is likely the issue.
People are making more people hate Sakura by making videos like "Sakura vs Madara". Just stop. That's great if you like Sakura, but don't compare her to someone way out of her league. You're just going to make her have more haters.... It's like when people compare Itachi to Madara. You'll have people calling them Itachitards and they'll actually start roasting and hating on Itachi lol
All these Sakura vs Madara vids or comparisons do is create more and more Sakura haters as you'll see many hate comments towards her emerge because of pointless topics like that. The only legit argument there is was that IF Base Madara LET Sakura punch him, would she be able to kill him. If you believe she would, that's fine, but saying she'd win a fight against him is utter nonsense and the huge majority of people will see you as a dumb person or troll. At least try crippling Madara because Perfect Susanoo would end her in seconds..... I believe she's the strongest female after Kaguya, but the sheer difference in power between male and female characters is too much (Blame Kishi for that)
The -isms issue is really ruining what could otherwise be a great community. The nonsense with Heavenly and Griffy really brought part of it to the surface and it needs to be called out more
@@CFSpener I DONT THINK ITS DISCRIMINATION ITS THAT PEOPLE HATE HER AND TO JUSTIFY THAT HATE PEOPLE MAKE HER WEAK 1 PERSON IN UR COMMENT SECTION EVEN SAID THEY HATE SAKURA BECAUSE SHE MADE FUN OF A ORPHAN INFRONT OF A ORPHAN.
@@CFSpener no it was in the 3 ch of the manga when sasuke approaches sakura and they talk about Naruto and sakura claimes she enyes Naruto because he has no parents infront of sasuke who also has no parents.
Idk if it's really people hating on women in anime, so much as it's hating on Sakura because they find her annoying and useless even though she's not. At least not in endgame Naruto.
Once I began debating it became so much easier to agree with things I never believed. For instance, Hiruzen > Hashirama, never wanted to believe that shit. NoLuck explained to me a few months ago that if we only have a statement, no contradictions, then there is no reason to believe the statement false. I now am way more open to CE Sasuke > CE Lee, Sakura being a ridiculous powerhouse, even the idea that Nejis ideology wasn’t half bad. Idk…Good Video though Jiraiya is still ass though, no one can change my mind
Jiraiya was stated to be rel to alive Itachi and the databooks directly said his massive Rasengan was mountain level. 6 tails naruto's class also put him at the mountain so Jiraiya should be low end rel to 6 tails naruto in ap and durability and hence isn't ass.
What you said about the anime. Community especially anime discord debate community, is spot on, it's normal to make weird sexual comments about kids, racism is normalised. The main reason I haven't joined a single active anime debate server in years. The people feel powerful knowing their behind a screen, and no one knows their identity
Just as recent as today, I saw someone say people would get shot and killed if you openly liked Sakura where he lived. People are sad man... Just don't be mean and try open-mindedness
Look at the overused and unfunny jokes the always do I said that about a joke they made and someone responded"sakura's jacket was more useful than her in the kaguya fight" someone random who responded to me and got 17 likes the community is just ass another 1 "she just poke her head", "every other ninja can do it", "wallmart tsunade", "birth to an uchiha with glasses" naruto community doesn't have iq simple as that
Are you kidding? You think that people hate sakura because she is a woman ? No! We hate her because she is anoying and rude character with two faces. People know that women in anime/cartoons can be strong, for example Android 18 or avatar Kyoshi. Just if we are not taking some stupid scalings, Sakura is on level medium/high kage. Cammon, she lost to some stupid Shin. If you think that Sakura can one shot Madara, only because she did some demage to Kaguya, that means Jiraiya can do the same, because he was able to demage Urashiki.
Even though I agree that sakura cannot defeat madara . But the urashiki arc was filler, you could had used arguments like momoshiki getting damaged by vanshing rasengan,
I really think u picked up the wrong train of thought here. it is not that people did think female char is strong. even in the naruto verse Kaguya vs ishiki is a debate and in other anime series like fairy tail lucy and erza are consider one of the top dogs etc . the biggest problem isn't that they hate women ITS THAT THEY HATE SAKURA AND to JUSTIFY THAT HATE THEY TRY TO DOWNPLAY HER TO CHUNIN LEVEL.
This is probably closest to the truth. I think it also has to do with the way she’s written. On the surface she seems very shallow and constantly makes choices that make no sense or harm the protagonists that we’re rooting so much for. It makes it hard to actually see her redeeming qualities, especially when it sometimes feels like her power spikes (alongside some self-serving declaration) kinda come out of nowhere just for the plot to move forward.
Idk what the argument was against Sakura there, and I acknowledge that Sakura is strong. My main issue with her is that she is actively detrimental in multiple scenarios. Twice has she thrown a kunai just for the enemy to catch it and use it on her ally. She also drugged her team to lie to Naruto’s face, give him a heart attack, and try to take on Sasuke alone without anyone else knowing or being able to do anything about it. It’s not a problem of her, it’s a problem with how she’s written. There’s a reason she’s hated a lot more than other female characters in anime. I’m sure there’s women hate out there in the community, but with Sakura there’s a bit more to it than just hating female anime characters or women in general. Hating women goes against the nature of men after all. To say otherwise is obviously weird, so associating that kind of reasoning to it seems a bit odd.
I really do not believe it has anything to do with sexism on the part of the fans. It has to do with sexism on the part of the writers/creators. It has to do with anime in general as well, not just the Narutoverse. DBZ has virtually no females with impressive feats, compared to any male character. Naruto basically has one, Tsunade, but tells us for many years that Sakura is strong. OK, great, so give her some feats. She is the healer. An important role, but not flashy and jawdropping. Hinata bravely faced opponents that she KNEW would defeat her, yet she fought until she could not move. Hinata was a strong female character that deserves some respect.....but was given like no feats to back that up. If she was given the strength we were TOLD (not shown) Sakura had, then she could have easily been a lead character. From listening to debates and conversations on that discord.....there are racists, sexists, bigots, etc. Why is that? It is allowed to be there. It is invited and encouraged. I am not a member. I choose to not partake. Invite me 100 times, I will decline 100 times. Simple. If you truly dislike it, you have 2 options. Make a stand, or leave. Noodles and his minions sound like they crawled straight out of the cesspool to infect the population. You are who you surround yourself with.
Yeah I completely agree with you . I mean even tsunade and Konan are female in Naruto but no one hates them then why only Sakura. It's because Sakura is poorly written not necessarily that she is a independent woman and people are sexist enough to not accept her above 3 eyed jubiadara
@@artherfleck7383 Tsunade was a leader, and researched an improved method to heal Rock Lee. It spoke to her dedication and ability. Konan plotted and sprung a trap to kill Obito. Granted....it failed. It would have worked on almost anyone else though. Sakura spent 80% of the series telling us how she is weak and relies on others. Then we get told she is super powerful. That is why people hate the way she is written.
@@noahblevins9569 yeah but we literally see sakura admitted to be inferior to 1 eyed jubudara , so I really don't know why do her fans wank her to extreme that she is kaguya level when she admits to be inferior to 1 eye jubidara
@@artherfleck7383 Because power scalers etc use imperfect and dishonest information to put out content.....or try to win a debate by taking advantage of ignorance. Fans all over believe falsehoods and headcannon from people who feed them bullshit to continue making profit from their viewers.
@@noahblevins9569 exactly even in boruto jiryaiya is able to beat urashiki but sasuke is having a hard time dealing with him so i think jiryaiya = sasuke. Definitely not because sasuke is way superior to jiryaiya we can easily call that feat a outlier because sakura previous feat don't support it we literally see that sakura had to be saved by a sharingon less kakashi who is even weaker then zabuza she literally admits to be inferior to 1 eyed jubidara , that guy who is way weaker then kaguya, so this can be called a outlier and also we literally see that sakura says that she doesn't have any Chakra which means she was heavily weaker in kaguya fight meaning , which it against contradicts I honestly believe that she definitely can keep up with kcm1 naruto But not SO6P naruto and say she stomps 3 eyed jubidara ,tbh I feel like sakura fans are also responsible for sakura hate because they wank her to extreme that she is kaguya level which kinda makes people hate her because she definitely isn't that strong and people are overhyping her for no reason
It's not women in general it's sakura, she's hated in the community and this isn't like anything new, I hate sakura, but I am the same guy who as soon as I learned about the new sakura meta put my hate for her aside and looked at the scaling, I kinda need to look at the Japanese for most of the sakura scans of course but I'll do that later
I’m taking about MY community and MY subscribers. If you wanna be toxic and problematic, just know the content you watch and support isn’t supporting you back.
I agree with this so much cause I’ve had to argue fucking adult Sakura vs sage mode naruto in the fucking pain ark and all feet’s were invalid cause “Sakura is useless”
but well cann u blame em ? they only saw the anime and the anime doesnt give sakura any good fights after sassori in the filler s she does fight jounins and more powerful jounins but thats it . she has legit not been the main focus in a fight where the opponent is greater then kage level .
The hate for Sakura is pretty unjustified, this goes along with people equating how good a charcter is to how strong they are. Might Guy is my favorite character and as much as I wish he could kick a hole through Kaguya...I don't see it happening, the gap between them is just too huge. Sakura, I don't even care about as a character, but she was an integral piece in stopping Kaguya and it's because she's a beast. Does her going from KCM2/EMS level to above Three Eyed Ten Tails Madara make sense, considering logically she should be exhausted and without 100 healings. No, not really, but we know mental amps are a thing and I imagine fighting Madara and Kaguya is probably the best training session ever. But the feats and statements don't really lie here, just like Luke becoming Vader's equal/superior in 3 years of training is hard to believe, it doesn't matter, we have to accept it and stop making excuses and headcanon to downplay the characters. Sakura being in the top 5 of Shippuden (with arguments that could be made that a full stamina end of Shippuden Sakura could legit just beat everyone) doesn't mean she's the best character, no-one is saying she's a better character than Might Guy, Kakashi, Itachi, Madara Etc. Etc. But she just is that strong.
I'd argue the hate is completely justified when you look at her character aspects (mocking orphans, obsession with a guy that wanted to murder her while abusing the guy that actually cares about her, not using her abilities in any way and just letting Naruto and Sasuke carry, etc.) but when you take that and use it to get rid of the few feats she has that show her actual level, that's what's unjustified.
@@drakefisher6317 Let's not pretend that she has no character development either, a character can do a really shitty thing and repent for it later, look at Gaara for example. Sakura is not the same girl who made fun of Naruto as a kid, in fact by the end of part 1 she feels terrible about everything Naruto has done for her and she didn't appreciate it, she reflects on that right before he leaves for the Sasuke retrieval mission. She has flaws, like any character, but she gets over many of the things that people hate her for, so no, a lot of the hate isn't justified, if we can forgive Gaara, we can forgive Sakura.
@@an0rangutan In Road to Boruto she literally tells Naruto, an orphan, she wishes her parents were dead then when he tells her thats going too far she accuses him of taking their side (they set a curfew for her or something small) and says Sasuke, another orphan, would understand her. I can understand she's not completely like the child she was, but this happened twice.
Kaguya feats are outlier, Sakura at max scales to the 9 tails based off feats against judo and can be wanked to pre six paths naruto and Sasuke level based off data books but that’s the farthest you can get her. She’s powerful but she’s not beating any version of war arc Madara, probably beats ems madara without the 9 tails, but anything past that she loses
Yo Spencer I know there has been homophobia sexism in the others in the community but I don't think it's the fact that they hate women they just hate Sakura in this case and other cases that may be different like with the case of Nami in one piece people try to get her really high and people try to argue and stuff like that just like with Usopp and the other lower-tier straw hats but I haven't seen what you seen you've have may have seen somebody argue well because of estrogen or something which this is stupid so not trying to call anybody out wanting to make the community better and understand it more
@@MakaveliTv35 Trust me, I've had some Sakura vs Itachi debates hit 500 replies in comment sections because people couldn't stop repeating themselves and insulting me
Hey Spener you and six talk about this thing in the novel where Sakura hits so hard it brakes her bones where is that and if it’s real isn’t that a way to put her over 8 gates guy Sakura has higher durability then guy right?
In the Sakura Hiden novels it states this (I don't have the page number, just a scan of the exerpt) "...this constant regeneration allows her to draw out as much of her superhuman strength as possible. She removes all physical restraints to unleash a hundred percent of her strength - magnified by her perfectly chakra control - to unleash more force than what should be humanly possible. This comes at the cost of tearing her muscles and breaking her bones with every single blow but these wounds are instantly healed before they can debilitate her." Now, this is just my opinion from here on, but that to me sounds an awful lot like the 8th gate + Insane Regen. At the very least 7th gate, though that one wasn't shattering Guy's bones with every blow like the 8th Gate. And it's fairly consistent as well, since the gates are meant to increase the amount of chakra run through your body to empower you, and that's exactly what 100 Healings does as well.
@@drakefisher6317 well id say that more so sounds like the 1 gate as that gate allows u to use 100% of ur power. while the rem gates are just amps like kaioken. so id say 1 gate plus insane regen. though in strength she is stronger then the 8 gate.
@@vaibhavmadan7125 The 1st gate has nothing about breaking bones on hit though. So it clearly has to be a greater amp than her body can naturally take, even Rock Lee in the 5th gate was only getting fractures and stuff as a kid. The only time we've seen gates shattering bones and tearing muscles on every hit is 8th gate.
nah mate. base naruto took conenetal levels of power while being knocked out. so even if madara let him. he just wanted to die that still wont happen. unless chidori avoids conventional durability like borutos rasegans.
@@vaibhavmadan7125 I think you can make a strong case for this though because the Chidori is a 'sharp' weapon that will penetrate rather than a 'blunt' weapon that would cause stress and wear down a target over time (such as a fist, or rasengan) Now I am not saying that kid Sasuke's chidori can kill or even harm Juubi Madara, because his skin is fundamentally different. We visually see that Obito and Madara undergo transformation of their skin when they absorb the Juubi. Adult Madara still has the same skin as kid Madara. Even if he is more durable against stress from 'blunt' attacks, I see no reason why he would be more durable against 'sharp' attacks. Keep in mind, the skin is a soft, fleshy organ. It has to be, otherwise we would not be able to move at all. Our skin has to have some slack/leeway in order for us to flex and extend outwards. It can just be a different case with Juubi characters because their skin has fundamentally different properties.
@@Sweetdude64 obito was able 2 tank kakashi's chidori n sm kcm2 scales above dat obito , ems madara also scales above sm kcm2 naruto so y wuldnt he b able 2 tank it?
@@grindtogreatness-gtg You mean the same chidori that instantly went straight through him like butter, leaving him dying, bleeding out, and unable to move?
And the fact Sakura is blatantly stated to be above war arc naruto and sauske and possibly last versions doesn’t ring a bell or how she is dozens of times faster than light like come on guys wake up Sakura is the cherry blossom queen
SwagKage: I think (adult) Sakura can beat Madara
Random people: "And I took that personally"
He’s right
i def took dat personally i mean am the biggest madara fan n i genuinely think sakura wuld lose 2 ems madara
Yall madara stans are almost as annoying as Kaguya stans
@@allaboutthemurzic at least the kaguya stans have something to stand behind she scales relative or above six paths amped naruto and sasuke juubidara gets mopped by base naruto with six paths amp who Sakura is stronger than
@@yourwrongandhereswhy9796 So many of the arguments for Kaguya being stronger than whoever are backed by headcanon and pure wank with them completely overrated her abilities and exagerrating all kinds of shit
1:51 Now this part, in particular, is something that I vibe with 100%. If how you personally feel affects your ability to engage in a discussion to such a level where you either don't wanna even care for the other person's arguments or that you don't even wanna entertain the idea that they might be right, then you shouldn't engage because you're just going to come at it the wrong way. This not only applies to vs debates but critically discussing media in general.
I hate the shit out of Sakura's characterization (and if I rewatch the series, I can probably prove why its trash), but if a guy made a large vid about why she might beat a major villain, I'm not gonna shit all over it before it even starts. Most people in the community are guys in their 20s and yet they can't do something as basic as either argue with evidence or engage in good faith in a debate about fiction and that is fucking sad.
If Sakura's flat ass beating up Madara bothers you that much, make like Hinata's bust size and grow up.
THIS NIGGA SPITTIN
@@CFSpener When Heavenly Controller can engage with this topic better than you, rethink your life. Straight up.
@@KaiserShounen what are you trying to say
@@yourwrongandhereswhy9796 Im saying that some people got too much time on their hands lol
@@KaiserShounen cool
Madara himself speaking through Spener here: "Wake up to reality..."
The fact that people hate sakura makes me like her more.
Facts
@@sarveshnathan7559 not really, her arc is realistic and gives the audience a normal personal perspective as oppose to naruto and sauske. Not to mention in my opinion her powers are cool and her design is good
@@Left-sh1db yeah someone said to me he can't relate to Sakura like sasuke and naruto and I was like wtf?🗿
@@sarveshnathan7559 1. We are not talking about wanting to save someone you love and he loves you we are talking about her background story getting bullied not being from a special family it's way more relatable than having red eyes and your big brother killed your entire clan or having an inner demon named kyuubi inside of you
@@sarveshnathan7559 you have clearly mever been truly in love with someone before, yeah it may be a bit dramatized but being truly attached to someone and loving them and wanting the best for them can make you do some stupid shit, i know from experience
The way people let their bias affect their power scaling and vice versa is so funny to me😂 Ive seen multiple people say that they hate Goku as a character because some of the scaling in Super made no sense.....and that was the only reason.
Sakura hate is sexism its her making fun of orphans people are deeply attached too
Isnt*
Exactly
It’s a mix of both
It depends on the reason someone gives, I personally despise Sakura as a character for how many times she actively drags down a situation, refusing to use any of her established abilities in favor of using Summoning Jutsu: Naruto Uzumaki as well as making fun of orphans to other orphans then getting upset when those orphans get mad at her for making fun of orphans.
But I also have dealt with many people who refuse to accept Sakura's feats because she 'never did anything' and thus all the cases of her doing something don't count because she's just useless. If someone can't pinpoint a reason why they think she's useless or hate her, I generally attribute it to sexism because sometimes they'll discount feats she shares with Naruto and Sasuke but give it to them anyways, and those are especially obvious times where sexism is likely the issue.
@@drakefisher6317 the first sentence told me U are an idiot so I will not be reading the rest.
Goodnight.
Thanks for the contents my guy I’m glad to see you put your self more out there keep it up.
Speeeder is the best.
People are making more people hate Sakura by making videos like "Sakura vs Madara". Just stop. That's great if you like Sakura, but don't compare her to someone way out of her league. You're just going to make her have more haters.... It's like when people compare Itachi to Madara. You'll have people calling them Itachitards and they'll actually start roasting and hating on Itachi lol
Madara’s not out of her league, he’s fodder to her by end of series
This is a stupid way of thinking and why should we go out of our way to please others?
You don’t know shit about powerscaling. You’re just using your own personal bias without justification
Imagine saying the reason people hate Sakura is because other people have opinions about her
All these Sakura vs Madara vids or comparisons do is create more and more Sakura haters as you'll see many hate comments towards her emerge because of pointless topics like that. The only legit argument there is was that IF Base Madara LET Sakura punch him, would she be able to kill him. If you believe she would, that's fine, but saying she'd win a fight against him is utter nonsense and the huge majority of people will see you as a dumb person or troll. At least try crippling Madara because Perfect Susanoo would end her in seconds..... I believe she's the strongest female after Kaguya, but the sheer difference in power between male and female characters is too much (Blame Kishi for that)
Nah Sakura was wifey ever since I was 8 watching Naruto 😂
The -isms issue is really ruining what could otherwise be a great community. The nonsense with Heavenly and Griffy really brought part of it to the surface and it needs to be called out more
hearing spencer complain about the community being toxic is rich asf
There’s a difference between toxicity and discrimination
@@CFSpener I DONT THINK ITS DISCRIMINATION ITS THAT PEOPLE HATE HER AND TO JUSTIFY THAT HATE PEOPLE MAKE HER WEAK 1 PERSON IN UR COMMENT SECTION EVEN SAID THEY HATE SAKURA BECAUSE SHE MADE FUN OF A ORPHAN INFRONT OF A ORPHAN.
That shit is simply not canon
@@CFSpener no it was in the 3 ch of the manga when sasuke approaches sakura and they talk about Naruto and sakura claimes she enyes Naruto because he has no parents infront of sasuke who also has no parents.
spencer is walking in dangerous territory and i fucking love it
Gained a new respect for you man❤️
Idk if it's really people hating on women in anime, so much as it's hating on Sakura because they find her annoying and useless even though she's not. At least not in endgame Naruto.
Yea, only in end game
@Aaron Boateng yeh thats what i meant, wrong wording on my part lol
tbh i dead dnt care if sakura is annoying or not i jus think ems madara wuld not lose 2 adult sakura das it
Once I began debating it became so much easier to agree with things I never believed. For instance, Hiruzen > Hashirama, never wanted to believe that shit. NoLuck explained to me a few months ago that if we only have a statement, no contradictions, then there is no reason to believe the statement false. I now am way more open to CE Sasuke > CE Lee, Sakura being a ridiculous powerhouse, even the idea that Nejis ideology wasn’t half bad. Idk…Good Video though
Jiraiya is still ass though, no one can change my mind
Yeah, but I am not sure abt Hiruzen one, I stiil think he can put around hashirama level tho but ">"
Jiraiya was stated to be rel to alive Itachi and the databooks directly said his massive Rasengan was mountain level. 6 tails naruto's class also put him at the mountain so Jiraiya should be low end rel to 6 tails naruto in ap and durability and hence isn't ass.
@@AyeeShaad ohk name is colrock11 i think i am already a part of his discord i need to check tho.
@@AyeeShaad he scales to alive itachi who is faster then kakashi.
@@vaibhavmadan7125 I dm’d you
What you said about the anime. Community especially anime discord debate community, is spot on, it's normal to make weird sexual comments about kids, racism is normalised. The main reason I haven't joined a single active anime debate server in years. The people feel powerful knowing their behind a screen, and no one knows their identity
Is the guy who edits six’s videos also edit this video?
Jay hooked me up
Just as recent as today, I saw someone say people would get shot and killed if you openly liked Sakura where he lived.
People are sad man... Just don't be mean and try open-mindedness
That’s so extreme wtf anime isn’t real life it’s fictional
No they do that because they have brain cells
Is it really that violent in his grandma's basement?
@@noahblevins9569 10/10 comeback lmao
Look at the overused and unfunny jokes the always do I said that about a joke they made and someone responded"sakura's jacket was more useful than her in the kaguya fight" someone random who responded to me and got 17 likes the community is just ass another 1 "she just poke her head", "every other ninja can do it", "wallmart tsunade", "birth to an uchiha with glasses" naruto community doesn't have iq simple as that
Are you kidding? You think that people hate sakura because she is a woman ? No! We hate her because she is anoying and rude character with two faces. People know that women in anime/cartoons can be strong, for example Android 18 or avatar Kyoshi. Just if we are not taking some stupid scalings, Sakura is on level medium/high kage. Cammon, she lost to some stupid Shin. If you think that Sakura can one shot Madara, only because she did some demage to Kaguya, that means Jiraiya can do the same, because he was able to demage Urashiki.
Even though I agree that sakura cannot defeat madara . But the urashiki arc was filler, you could had used arguments like momoshiki getting damaged by vanshing rasengan,
I really think u picked up the wrong train of thought here. it is not that people did think female char is strong. even in the naruto verse Kaguya vs ishiki is a debate and in other anime series like fairy tail lucy and erza are consider one of the top dogs etc . the biggest problem isn't that they hate women ITS THAT THEY HATE SAKURA AND to JUSTIFY THAT HATE THEY TRY TO DOWNPLAY HER TO CHUNIN LEVEL.
This is probably closest to the truth. I think it also has to do with the way she’s written. On the surface she seems very shallow and constantly makes choices that make no sense or harm the protagonists that we’re rooting so much for. It makes it hard to actually see her redeeming qualities, especially when it sometimes feels like her power spikes (alongside some self-serving declaration) kinda come out of nowhere just for the plot to move forward.
misogyny is pretty cringe ngl
Idk what the argument was against Sakura there, and I acknowledge that Sakura is strong. My main issue with her is that she is actively detrimental in multiple scenarios. Twice has she thrown a kunai just for the enemy to catch it and use it on her ally. She also drugged her team to lie to Naruto’s face, give him a heart attack, and try to take on Sasuke alone without anyone else knowing or being able to do anything about it. It’s not a problem of her, it’s a problem with how she’s written. There’s a reason she’s hated a lot more than other female characters in anime. I’m sure there’s women hate out there in the community, but with Sakura there’s a bit more to it than just hating female anime characters or women in general. Hating women goes against the nature of men after all. To say otherwise is obviously weird, so associating that kind of reasoning to it seems a bit odd.
I really do not believe it has anything to do with sexism on the part of the fans. It has to do with sexism on the part of the writers/creators.
It has to do with anime in general as well, not just the Narutoverse.
DBZ has virtually no females with impressive feats, compared to any male character.
Naruto basically has one, Tsunade, but tells us for many years that Sakura is strong. OK, great, so give her some feats. She is the healer. An important role, but not flashy and jawdropping.
Hinata bravely faced opponents that she KNEW would defeat her, yet she fought until she could not move. Hinata was a strong female character that deserves some respect.....but was given like no feats to back that up. If she was given the strength we were TOLD (not shown) Sakura had, then she could have easily been a lead character.
From listening to debates and conversations on that discord.....there are racists, sexists, bigots, etc. Why is that? It is allowed to be there. It is invited and encouraged.
I am not a member. I choose to not partake. Invite me 100 times, I will decline 100 times. Simple.
If you truly dislike it, you have 2 options. Make a stand, or leave.
Noodles and his minions sound like they crawled straight out of the cesspool to infect the population.
You are who you surround yourself with.
Yeah I completely agree with you . I mean even tsunade and Konan are female in Naruto but no one hates them then why only Sakura. It's because Sakura is poorly written not necessarily that she is a independent woman and people are sexist enough to not accept her above 3 eyed jubiadara
@@artherfleck7383 Tsunade was a leader, and researched an improved method to heal Rock Lee. It spoke to her dedication and ability.
Konan plotted and sprung a trap to kill Obito. Granted....it failed. It would have worked on almost anyone else though.
Sakura spent 80% of the series telling us how she is weak and relies on others. Then we get told she is super powerful. That is why people hate the way she is written.
@@noahblevins9569 yeah but we literally see sakura admitted to be inferior to 1 eyed jubudara , so I really don't know why do her fans wank her to extreme that she is kaguya level when she admits to be inferior to 1 eye jubidara
@@artherfleck7383 Because power scalers etc use imperfect and dishonest information to put out content.....or try to win a debate by taking advantage of ignorance.
Fans all over believe falsehoods and headcannon from people who feed them bullshit to continue making profit from their viewers.
@@noahblevins9569 exactly even in boruto jiryaiya is able to beat urashiki but sasuke is having a hard time dealing with him so i think jiryaiya = sasuke. Definitely not because sasuke is way superior to jiryaiya we can easily call that feat a outlier because sakura previous feat don't support it we literally see that sakura had to be saved by a sharingon less kakashi who is even weaker then zabuza she literally admits to be inferior to 1 eyed jubidara , that guy who is way weaker then kaguya, so this can be called a outlier and also we literally see that sakura says that she doesn't have any Chakra which means she was heavily weaker in kaguya fight meaning , which it against contradicts I honestly believe that she definitely can keep up with kcm1 naruto But not SO6P naruto and say she stomps 3 eyed jubidara ,tbh I feel like sakura fans are also responsible for sakura hate because they wank her to extreme that she is kaguya level which kinda makes people hate her because she definitely isn't that strong and people are overhyping her for no reason
How can they hate women with mothers and girlfriends and even maybe a daughter in the future 🤦🏽♂️
It's not women in general it's sakura, she's hated in the community and this isn't like anything new, I hate sakura, but I am the same guy who as soon as I learned about the new sakura meta put my hate for her aside and looked at the scaling, I kinda need to look at the Japanese for most of the sakura scans of course but I'll do that later
dislike because you didnt use my thumbnail smh
Make better thumbnails
@@CFSpener ;-;
@@Wuke04 Damm bruh he destroyed u
Yooo sup wuke
Sakura violates madara
Sup mono
Yea one punch is enough to take down madara's kyubbi susanoo
@@Left-sh1db ??
@@fuckfacejeffrey2256 wrong person
@Lee Charles why is that?
Next video on Iruka vs issiki
It’s an anime community let us be toxic who cares
Ong like the community finna be toxic regardless of whats done ngl.
I’m taking about MY community and MY subscribers. If you wanna be toxic and problematic, just know the content you watch and support isn’t supporting you back.
@@CFSpener Ight then i gotcha ya.
Ik it’s not supporting me back. But you can’t tell anime fans to be not toxic
Big facts
Spit keep spittin and spit some more
Absolutely spittin mr spener
Facts it’s crazy how toxic and narrow minded ppl
I agree with this so much cause I’ve had to argue fucking adult Sakura vs sage mode naruto in the fucking pain ark and all feet’s were invalid cause “Sakura is useless”
I don’t think it’s mainly sexism, casuals just talk out of their ass about Sakura scaling because they don’t like her.
but well cann u blame em ? they only saw the anime and the anime doesnt give sakura any good fights after sassori in the filler s she does fight jounins and more powerful jounins but thats it . she has legit not been the main focus in a fight where the opponent is greater then kage level .
@@vaibhavmadan7125 Yeah you can blame em.
Good video
The hate for Sakura is pretty unjustified, this goes along with people equating how good a charcter is to how strong they are.
Might Guy is my favorite character and as much as I wish he could kick a hole through Kaguya...I don't see it happening, the gap between them is just too huge.
Sakura, I don't even care about as a character, but she was an integral piece in stopping Kaguya and it's because she's a beast.
Does her going from KCM2/EMS level to above Three Eyed Ten Tails Madara make sense, considering logically she should be exhausted and without 100 healings. No, not really, but we know mental amps are a thing and I imagine fighting Madara and Kaguya is probably the best training session ever.
But the feats and statements don't really lie here, just like Luke becoming Vader's equal/superior in 3 years of training is hard to believe, it doesn't matter, we have to accept it and stop making excuses and headcanon to downplay the characters.
Sakura being in the top 5 of Shippuden (with arguments that could be made that a full stamina end of Shippuden Sakura could legit just beat everyone) doesn't mean she's the best character, no-one is saying she's a better character than Might Guy, Kakashi, Itachi, Madara Etc. Etc. But she just is that strong.
Well said, Afro and Kabuki could learn a lot from reading this
I'd argue the hate is completely justified when you look at her character aspects (mocking orphans, obsession with a guy that wanted to murder her while abusing the guy that actually cares about her, not using her abilities in any way and just letting Naruto and Sasuke carry, etc.) but when you take that and use it to get rid of the few feats she has that show her actual level, that's what's unjustified.
@@drakefisher6317 Let's not pretend that she has no character development either, a character can do a really shitty thing and repent for it later, look at Gaara for example.
Sakura is not the same girl who made fun of Naruto as a kid, in fact by the end of part 1 she feels terrible about everything Naruto has done for her and she didn't appreciate it, she reflects on that right before he leaves for the Sasuke retrieval mission.
She has flaws, like any character, but she gets over many of the things that people hate her for, so no, a lot of the hate isn't justified, if we can forgive Gaara, we can forgive Sakura.
@@an0rangutan In Road to Boruto she literally tells Naruto, an orphan, she wishes her parents were dead then when he tells her thats going too far she accuses him of taking their side (they set a curfew for her or something small) and says Sasuke, another orphan, would understand her.
I can understand she's not completely like the child she was, but this happened twice.
@@drakefisher6317 That wasn't road to Boruto, it was Road to Ninja, a non-canon spin off movie.
Kaguya feats are outlier, Sakura at max scales to the 9 tails based off feats against judo and can be wanked to pre six paths naruto and Sasuke level based off data books but that’s the farthest you can get her. She’s powerful but she’s not beating any version of war arc Madara, probably beats ems madara without the 9 tails, but anything past that she loses
Come debate me because this shit is disgusting downplay
@@CFSpener no y not debate me ems madara > sakura i wuld luvvvv 2 debate u
I wish tenten did more so my boy’s waifu could get some clot
Yo Spencer I know there has been homophobia sexism in the others in the community but I don't think it's the fact that they hate women they just hate Sakura in this case and other cases that may be different like with the case of Nami in one piece people try to get her really high and people try to argue and stuff like that just like with Usopp and the other lower-tier straw hats but I haven't seen what you seen you've have may have seen somebody argue well because of estrogen or something which this is stupid so not trying to call anybody out wanting to make the community better and understand it more
*clicks tongue* NAISU
based asf, it’s sad you even had to address this
I don’t like Sakura but I can put that aside in versus battle
Sakuras ap is fucking ridiculous
FACTS
I got called a simp for defending Sakura just because they couldn’t deny any example of the usefulness of her that I gave like HUHHHH
If you can't beat 'em, mock 'em
@@drakefisher6317 sad but true
@@MakaveliTv35 Trust me, I've had some Sakura vs Itachi debates hit 500 replies in comment sections because people couldn't stop repeating themselves and insulting me
@@drakefisher6317 please don’t get me started with itachi debates😂😂 “minato is too slow for itachi” just let that sink in
@@MakaveliTv35 I found a video that said Itachi is Otsutsuki level and had to debate like a dozen people about why that's not true
I think she just doesn't fit in the main cast hinata would have been wayyyyyy better team 7 member
Big cap
Okay so what if sasuke fought naruto after the Donzo fight to the death, with no interference. Would the crow in naruto activate and Gg sasuke???
Sasuke didn't have Itachi's eyes then, so it wouldn't activate. Itachi specifically stated that he programmed it to respond to his own eyes.
yo fam there are decent good female characters in anime Sakura isn't as bad as the others I've seen
Hey Spener you and six talk about this thing in the novel where Sakura hits so hard it brakes her bones where is that and if it’s real isn’t that a way to put her over 8 gates guy Sakura has higher durability then guy right?
its her regen, to be simple her cells kill destroy and recreate / her durability is definitely higher, so is her speed and shes alot smarter, etc
u do know guy and lee have no durability . but yes .
In the Sakura Hiden novels it states this (I don't have the page number, just a scan of the exerpt)
"...this constant regeneration allows her to draw out as much of her superhuman strength as possible. She removes all physical restraints to unleash a hundred percent of her strength - magnified by her perfectly chakra control - to unleash more force than what should be humanly possible. This comes at the cost of tearing her muscles and breaking her bones with every single blow but these wounds are instantly healed before they can debilitate her."
Now, this is just my opinion from here on, but that to me sounds an awful lot like the 8th gate + Insane Regen. At the very least 7th gate, though that one wasn't shattering Guy's bones with every blow like the 8th Gate. And it's fairly consistent as well, since the gates are meant to increase the amount of chakra run through your body to empower you, and that's exactly what 100 Healings does as well.
@@drakefisher6317 well id say that more so sounds like the 1 gate as that gate allows u to use 100% of ur power. while the rem gates are just amps like kaioken. so id say 1 gate plus insane regen. though in strength she is stronger then the 8 gate.
@@vaibhavmadan7125 The 1st gate has nothing about breaking bones on hit though. So it clearly has to be a greater amp than her body can naturally take, even Rock Lee in the 5th gate was only getting fractures and stuff as a kid. The only time we've seen gates shattering bones and tearing muscles on every hit is 8th gate.
#bringbackhakuhentai
I say Sasuke CAN one shot Madara with Chidori, IF Madara let him.
Fight me
I think the dragonball off guard rules apply in naruto, that lets Goku die to guns
nah mate. base naruto took conenetal levels of power while being knocked out. so even if madara let him. he just wanted to die that still wont happen. unless chidori avoids conventional durability like borutos rasegans.
@@vaibhavmadan7125 I think you can make a strong case for this though because the Chidori is a 'sharp' weapon that will penetrate rather than a 'blunt' weapon that would cause stress and wear down a target over time (such as a fist, or rasengan)
Now I am not saying that kid Sasuke's chidori can kill or even harm Juubi Madara, because his skin is fundamentally different. We visually see that Obito and Madara undergo transformation of their skin when they absorb the Juubi.
Adult Madara still has the same skin as kid Madara. Even if he is more durable against stress from 'blunt' attacks, I see no reason why he would be more durable against 'sharp' attacks.
Keep in mind, the skin is a soft, fleshy organ. It has to be, otherwise we would not be able to move at all. Our skin has to have some slack/leeway in order for us to flex and extend outwards. It can just be a different case with Juubi characters because their skin has fundamentally different properties.
@@Sweetdude64 obito was able 2 tank kakashi's chidori n sm kcm2 scales above dat obito , ems madara also scales above sm kcm2 naruto so y wuldnt he b able 2 tank it?
@@grindtogreatness-gtg You mean the same chidori that instantly went straight through him like butter, leaving him dying, bleeding out, and unable to move?
Sakura vs pain video??
Why? Spencer scales Sakura over Madara, Pain is fooder. Sakura violates
@@sarveshnathan7559 lol, Sakura blitzes in base form with 1 finger
@@sarveshnathan7559 sure
@@zanies6288Sakura can’t beat pain
Saying facts here
And the fact Sakura is blatantly stated to be above war arc naruto and sauske and possibly last versions doesn’t ring a bell or how she is dozens of times faster than light like come on guys wake up Sakura is the cherry blossom queen
Cap 🧢