I remember that someone killed him without feeling any pride and he didn't resurrect but Chaos characters just can't die when they should so Slannesh resurrected him bruh
You totally know they wrote the part about the factory worker because of some drunk bar argument. -"lucious is on your planet, and you can't kill him, or you will become him!" "Uhhh yeah? Well I cover the entire planet with land mines and shoot all the guys who laid them!" -"What? Nuhuuuu! That won't work! He would.... uhhh.... possess they guy who made the landmines!"
Let’s not forget the time he took over a necron drone, a being that is little more than programming of what once was a living being dumbed down to little more than a mindless zombie thrall. Legit no soul. By that logic he could potentially take over a man of iron whose programmer has long since died.
@@diabrog I’d like to argue but frankly the idea that Zimmith 00010101010100 beating Lucius so bad in a sparkliest heresy contest is too funny to me. Lucius died of shame and added the one face that can’t scream cause it doesn’t have a soul to his armor. Just a weird quiet patch now shinier than the rest of him.
One interesting things about Lucious I will admit is that the Armor of Shrieking Souls constantly taunts Lucious and remind him of his failures to win his fights against them. That does play well into the Emperor's Children's theme of striving for perfection but never reaching it. Lucious is always going to be reminded of the fact he isn't the greatest warrior and it irks him in the back of his mind.
Fabius Bile is by far the better candidate for Avatar of Slaanesh. He is just as obsessive, he’s too prideful to accept that gods exist, and Slaanesh has him wrapped around her finger. Honestly, his books make him such a perfect champion of Slaanesh that he deserves to become her new favorite toy. Plus, it would be hilarious for Lucius to get all bitter and petulant because Slaanesh stopped treating him like he’s the hottest shit to ever exist. That’s my two cents on it.’
Except he's got one thing the worshippers of chaos largely don't: the will to innovate Fabius' talents would be put to much better use under the iron warriors
Slannesh can only do what slannesh knows. Fabius Bile is creating that new new sin that never been before and is best left to innovate. He might be her curiosity.
6:46 This right here is my main complaint about Lucius. They say he will be reincarnated into the body of his killer if the killer took any pleasure or satisfaction in killing him. There seems to be a lot of room where he could be killed easily, such as a simple orbital bombardment or a stray round from someone who didn’t even know they hit him, but then he reincarnates because a guy who made a land mine who killed him cared about his work in creating that mine, and APPARENTLY that satisfies the demands of the curse, when it really just feels like GW is making up the rules on the fly.
I think I read somewhere that even if he were nommed by a tyranid, it would still count because the tyranid would feel satisfaction at having a good meal.
I feel like there’s some genuine misunderstandings with the reason why Lucius’s powers work the way they do, and even how they do. It’s not necessarily that someone “must feel satisfaction” in his death, it’s less about the fact that he can reincarnate through others, and moreso meant to imply that only someone who truly doesn’t just loathe him as an enemy, but loves him as a friend and close companion, someone who would be distraught at his death, can survive killing him. And the bitter irony that is meant to be invoked by this, is that the only person capable of such feelings towards him were Saul Tarvitz, his best friend, and the man he betrayed on Istvaan. Only someone who loves him can survive killing him, someone who would mourn the loss of Lucius the man inside the armour- who he killed long ago. Pity the man who lives in this galaxy without love.
The thing is that, the curse is BS. Slaanesh will reincarnate him no matter what. Slaanesh does the "take over the body of the killer" for shits and giggles. Its just to taunt Lucius since he will never be able to get a rematch with his killer to prove himself better than them, and Lucius' anguish at this fact, is why Slaanesh puts that non-arbitrary clause into his shtick. Its not there to help him, its there to poke fun at him being a failure.
My main issue with Lucius is that there are no stakes when he fights. If he wins, great. Victory and toe sucking all round. If he loses, give him 3-5 business days and he's back. Even thinking of a way to permanently dispose of him would constitute "pride" in orchestrating his downfall. Motherfuckers got an everything-proof shield, and GW have no reason to kill him. That being said, you'd imagine that a Nid or basic Necron would feel nothing about killing him, but I suppose he can just not fight the less sapient adversaries? I'd laugh my ass off if he got capped by a Termagant at some point.
He's been killed by a necron and he came back. The downside given for Lucius' recantation is he's bit by bit losing his soul and control of his body to some other entity and even Lucius doesn't know what the thing is.
@@JudgeNicodemus Kharn and Typhus likely to stay around as long as they're entertaining and get things done, Lucius has an expiry date that gets closer everytime he uses his namesake.
@@jamesmacken9501 yeah, because Kharn and Typhus are fun characters, Lucius as a character embodies the greatest sin a writer can make. He's just boring.
I want one of three things to happen to Lucius. Either he dies from a natural disaster, gets killed by a Tyranid, or Trazyn kidnaps his ass. So he spends the rest of eternity in stasis.
Imagine if somehow Lucius was killed by a Custodes from the inside of the Golden Palace. Im pretty sure GW in their infinit wisdom will say Lucius still could appear there, wreak havoc, and then leave. Then 7 years later retcon it.
I would like to imagine that after Lucious gets lucky with that one Custodian kill a bunch of other Custodians dogpile him and throw him into the Dark Cells where all the other bullshit overpowered stuff the Imperium can't conventionally deal with goes to rot.
To be fair, IIRC, he's only lost about 10 times in 10000 years. The fanart gives him too many faces. The best part about his gift/curse is that he will *never* get to rematch anyone who beat him. He will always want to prove he is better, no matter how much better he gets he will never remove those wounds to his pride/ego. Slaanesh is not a nice person.
I think he's died specifically 7 times. The thing with the faces on his armour is even before his first death it was already covered in screaming faces, so it's impossible to know how many times he's died based off his armour.
The problem is that he is an Abaddon level villain where both have several losses that it hurts their image in the lore. It's a notable problem with how GW handles stories, even Angron and Mortarion get the short end of the stick even though they are daemonic demi gods.
The face scarring was after he went and spoke to Serena, a remembrancer on with the emperor's children, and she told him that she would cut herself for everything that wronged her, so that she'd never forget. Lucius took up this and made 2 parallel scars on his face with Serena's knife, so that he could never forget what lokan did to him (punched his face).
Like most things in 40K I don't hate him in particular. I do *HATE* what the _writers_ do with him. You know that story where he died from a landmine and became and regenerated from the factory worker or from a literally emotionless soulless necron? Well the reason why that happened was because a writer saw a 40K forum about people discussing how to theoretically kill Lucius. This -dick- man saw fans of the franchise having fun discussing the setting and it's potential future and decided to invalidate all of it by proving that he is actually unkillable and the fan's strategy's are pointless. He didn't think to reward their efforts by using a similar strategy or doing something creative and put Lucius in a position were his immortality wouldn't save him and he had to rely on his other talents. No. He just drank the Dragon Ball BS power scaling Koolade and just made him mORe pOweRfUl. Also his most defining ability has no mechanic on the tabletop. Imagine if he had the ability to kill/teleport to the unit that killed him and what fun games that would create. Specifically using artillery at the edge of the map to remove him from key locations. Hectic kill chains. Willingly dying for the teleport. But no. He's just another chaos lord.
I feel like Lucius sucks on purpose, Slaanesh feeds on all strong emotions, and the burning shame/rage Lucius feels every time he resurrects or even looks at the faces of his betters, permanently fused to his armor, is probably especially delicious.
In defense of the whole "Dying all the time thing", That is mostly down to him deliberately self nerfing and putting weird conditions on himself every time he fights, if he didn't fights would be too easy and boring for him and his patron god.
He also plays with his food to much. Plus he likes the pain... him "losing" isn't always because he was the weaker fighter. The man has beat a emperors champion in a duel. He is entirely unpredictable in a fight
@@conradlorgar5508nah more like he knows he can revive and is just bored of fighting the same way over and over again. It's like if you got so good at a game while just sticking to one playstyle and you get bored so you fck around or how some people play games with weird challenges like those "Can you beat Dark Souls with level 1 for all stat" or some sht. Personally best example, MGR: Revengeance, I just play the game without upgrading the sword, no secondary weapons, or utilities or recovery because it feels too easy for me but I still enjoy playing the game very much, I just do that because I find the challenge more fun Do I still die? Yes even if I don't find the game that difficult even with those limitations I still get a game over screen. Am I having fun? Yes because I enjoy the game and the challenge I made, plus I can just load last checkpoint if I die or start using recoveries if I ever really gave up. Am I an idiot? I guess I am but since it makes me enjoy it I wouldn't exactly call what I did a dumb move since it may be a challenge the main point is to have fun.
@@wufflemuffin9197 Lucius can't do that though. Yes, he revives but he can't go back and try again. Even if he did, he literally fucked around and found out. Either they're now a part of the armour, so he knows he never bested whoever killed him and is a constant reminder to his ego or he has to admit he was being childish about a battle he should be taking seriously as a avid swordsman. His ego is way too fragile to not try to be the best. Only thing coming back from the dead does is prove how much better someone else is than himself, he can even just look 90 degrees downwards and see for himself. You can do a Dark Souls run and try a challenge again & again & again until you get it right, it's nowhere near a comparison to Lucius' revivals or battles.
@@mouthyschannel2474 Ah yea that's true but that doesn't really disprove most of what I said, just that I was wrong about one thing. It doesn't change that Lucius challenges himself because of how bored he is and finds it more engaging He is having fun nerfing himself (unless he loses) He's not stupid but just incredibly arrogant and overconfident. The purpose of his self-imposed nerf was so he can find fights more fun, which he succeeded in doing to a degree. The analogy I gave is fine, I just need to replace some parts by saying, "Yes I can just retry (for Lucius case it's to respawn) but I can never forgive myself for dying to a single enemy. I have spent so much time getting better and you're telling me I die?"
I have an unpublished fan fiction where my self insert spends his time hunting down and murdering Lucius with utter disgust in his heart. Waiting for Slaanesh to get bored and respawn Lucius anyway (because that is apparently a thing in the lore), then hunting him down with the aid of hired night lords and murdering him again. Over and over again. This fan fiction will never even be written, but I carry it with me in my heart.
*Khorne's Champion:* Consumed by rage, expemplifies his master's creed. Entire armies have to account for him as an army unto himself in their strategies. *Nurgle's Champion:* The one who delivered his legion to Nurgle and fully embraced the gifts in the same instance himself. A magnificent embodiment of decay and rebirth that can start a world-ending plague by being in the world's airsoace for 5 seconds. *Tzeentch's Champion:* A mastermind who weaves chaos into magic with ease. A walking encyclopedia of forbidden lore who ever strives to know it all. And delivers all that knowledge to Tzeentch at the same time, intentionally ir not. *Slaanesh's Champion:* _Prep kid with "restart from last checkpoint" save. And still plays on "easy."_
Ya know, if they had to make a rebirth character, it would be better if it was a Nurgle champion that infects who kills them, and the disease turns them into the champion
If I could do a headcannon/rework of Lucius I would probably turn his "gift" of resurrection into a monkey's paw of sorts You see, his gift of resurrection only works if people take satisfaction in his death. This means (at least in his mind) that he can never truly connect with people without risking his very soul. Lucius in this version would always have craved connection. He's always desperately craved to be liked and understood for who he is. And even to this day some of this desire still survives in some twisted way. Yet he als knows that to make himself vulnerable like that now would risk his very soul. Like, say he wanted to get a genuine friend (at least, as genuine as you can get in a chaos legion). He might be able to do it now - the gifts of Slaanesh can make a man very charismatic after all. Yet what if a friendly scrap got out of hand and his new friend somehow struck him in just the right place? Or what if he killed him by accident or...? His new friend might be too horrified to feel any satisfaction, and Lucius would go straight to Slaanesh. And in secret Lucius is absolutely terrified of the idea of spending all of eternity trapped in Slaanesh's realm, as trapped and alone as the faces on his armour. So the only way for him to be safe is to make sure that everyone -even his own warband - absolutely hates his fucking guts. That's the sick joke Slaanesh played on their favorite servant. Lucius' gift constantly leaves him so close to what he wants, yet for his own safety he has to actively deny it every single day of his life.
Man, imagine a perspective where enters his room and his face just drops and it's dead silent and the pink hue is replaced by a somber dark purple black hue and he just collapses into a chair, his eyes without color, black, and just still and with posture of defeat, with a crushing lonely atmosphere, completely at odds with how he is outside, and he HATES IT, it crushes him, but he has just a spark of hope he won't be alone, which is only eclipsed by his fear of actually dying, that he succumbs to doing what he hates and being what he hates, just to survive, out of desire not to die, so that he can always be the best, and for him to have a Lucid understanding that this is a curse, and he HATES it, and hates more how he has to embrace it.... Or else. Edit: Oh my god, it would be the perfect pain of never being loved as a narcissist, with the pleasure of always being the best of a narcissist. It would be the most poetic, fittingly, of all the Chaos Champions.
I agree with you, and you made an excellent point about him being a master swordsman. The fact that he'll just always come back really defeats the purpose of him being a master swordsman.
I feel like Slaneshi characters have to be given intricate reasons to exist, if Khorne is the simplest chaos god, Slanesh is the most complicated. All other chaos gods have cool followers by default, Khorne has blood thirsty followers that live for the fight, Nurgle has unstoppable plague bearing followers that dont feel pain and seem to be in perpetual bliss, Tzeench has unkowable and all powerfull followers that have sick magic powers. Slanesh has narcissistic followers that cant get anything done, wich is sad for a chaos god that embodies ambition, passion and the pursuit of perfection, like come on, whats more relatable than that? you could make awsome characters with the broad range of ideologies that align with slanesh in some way, but we just get depraved and depressed types. Make me root for slanesh like i root for Khornes followers because they are so cool sometimes i forget they are the bad guys
imagine some guy, say a marine in ancient armor and weapons whose makers are all dead. He goes and kills lucius in combat and immediately after kills himself. Who is Lucius gonna take over?
If he did it by bolt round. The round maker would die. If it was by power weapon it would be by whoever last did the machine blessings. If by orbital laser, one of the crew that works on the laser or works in the reactor of the ship or the commanding officer of the ship who ordered the shot. If not them? Then the overall commander, who was unaware of his death but felt satisfaction that his campaign looked like it would be wrapping up soon and the sector would be saved etc. Etc. And so on and so forth. Technically this could reach all the way back to rowboat guillotine if no one felt pride prior as he is the lord commander of the imperium.
@crowbell3059 that would require nobility. He doesn't have the good grace to kill himself in mine craft. A true impossibility. He'd sooner turn to the worship of gork n Mork than kill himself.
I’m starting an Emperor’s Children army- loving the lore for them! Also since your reaction to Lucius is so negative that probably means they did a good job making him being so hated- I assume that was the writer’s intent with this character.
He’s not hated for being a shitty person or doing something horrible. He’s hated for being poorly written (in the current 40k time) and has immense plot armour that makes no sense sometimes
as mentioned in the video. his one gimmick is that he cant die.. so why should we care about the character at all? even if he does get killed we know hes just gonna come back to ruin the day once again, and its not even done in a good way. just a bad character all around. they wrote amazing loyalist EC during the HH series. Saul Tarvitz and Rylanor being the most obvious examples. So its just frustrating to see this walking scrotum be the only option for a 'champion of slaanesh' besides Fulgrim himself.
@@jm329 The circumstances around it is what is bullshit. They establish rules for his ability, which is that he can possess people that defeated him and took pride in his death. Yet showed cases like the land mine thing, where he possessed the dude who made the land mine who didn't even know he existed because that person took pride in making a weapon for the Imperium. Even worse, he possess a fucking Necron, a being that has neither a soul, organic body, nor a mind capable of feeling pride because it is a mindless machine. By that logic, he could possess a rock that fell on his head and killed him. His power was great in concept, but just awful at execution. It's like a child saying "No you cant kill me, I activated my immortality shield".
I hope when they bring back fulgrim and the emperors children the first thing they do is have Lucius shot by a necron, or Tyranid and killed forever. Or get him trapped on an Ork ship where he’s constantly being revived, but killed by another ork before he can properly transfer, in an infinite loop of pain and death that would make even an emperors children uncomfortable after a couple years
He has already previously been killed by a necron warrior before, an unfeeling, emotionless killing machine and he was still able to take over the necrons body. Doesn't matter what situation you put him in he always comes back due to some stupid contrived reason. Pretty sure it's also canon that if he ever were to die in a way that he can't come back from Slaneesh itself will just respawn him anyway.
Honestly Lucius should have died a long time ago, with bile becoming the main slannesh champion similarly to Ahriman. That one but about his resurrection diluting his title of master swordsman hit the mail on the head- of you basically can be resurrected anytime you loose then how can you truly be taken seriously as a fighter. I think an interesting take on the character would to have people just… refuse to fight him. Like he would try and fight Kharn the betrayer but would be ignored because Kharn doesn’t want to fight with such a dishonorable fighter who’s such a sore looser he possesses anyone beats him. I think it could then result in slannesh s gift actually becoming a curse because Lucius will never be taken seriously, which for a person like him is a fate worse than death
Slaanesh’s gift is a curse to Lucius because he can no longer improve his skills as a swordsman. If he beats someone he doesn’t get any satisfaction from the fight because he was already better than them, if they win they will forever be better than him and he will never get a rematch because they will be possessed. Slaanesh’s cruel joke on him is made worse because Lucius declared himself the “greatest swordsman” and he will never be able to prove it.
A good way to punish Lucius is to change it so the screaming faces in his armor are actually laughing at him for being killed by them and never getting a chance for a rematch
I don't think Lucius is a bad character, I think he is interesting and I like the idea that he is favored BC of his devotion to perfecting his craft. I just hate this idea of his plot armor that allows him to return at all times. Its makes sense in some ways, but then like you mentioned the factory worker thing. He is favored by his patron god then why do we need a reason he can ressurrect at all. The big 4 can simply bring anyone they want back at any time, how is it Lucius needs to be that special in that way. There is almost know way to legit kill him in accordance to the lore and that makes it dumb. There needs to be a retcon that he only possesses anyone who kills him in combat face to face.
I always thought Fabius Bile was the unsung Champion of The Emperor's Children? His obsession with creating "perfection" is totally a 3rd Legion thing.
@@LowlandGames I mean, aren't all the Chaos Chapters kinda all at war within? I would think Fabius's experiments probably have gained him a lot of favor with Slaanesh.
@@RogueBlood343 I mean, I suppose you're right? It just seems like a hella waste of an interesting story. The Unwilling Spider of Slaanesh has a real sadistic kinda air about it LOL.
@@LowlandGames so? Ahriman was literally exiled until only recently by his own primarch and fellow sorcerers due to his mistake with the rubric. Kharn was named the betrayer because he set half his legion on fire for daring to have common sense. Typhus is despised by his own primarch and fellow warriors for tricking them into becoming literal walking diseases, the only reason he hasn't been gangbamged by his fellow legionaries and primar h 8s because of Nurgle's will itself.
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Was there ever a situation where someone that bested him felt satisfaction later on afterward? Like at first they didn’t care but later on they reminded of what a smug bastard he was, they get a little smirk on their face; next stop shrieking skulls in a suit of armor.
Yeah there was, a Raven Guard captain killed him and felt absolutely nothing... And yet Lucius still came back, just not in his body! Aka bullshit resurrection powers again. Now they shifted the goalpost that Lucius will only die for good if his killer feels nothing but pity and remorse for Lucius, which Lucius "preemptively counters" by being literally the worst creatures in ten systems around, so everybody feels at least some hatred for him.
I think the only way to permanently kill him would either be from a blank or have a demon of a different god kill him. I only think that would work because slaanesha's power wouldn't extend to like Magnus or angron
Honestly I liked PRE-TERNAL Lucius, he had a real heartfelt moment with Tarvitz on IV3 aft Tarvitz saved his life, he showed real humility…. even IF he was planning on betraying TF out of everyone to get back in the 3rd. I think you’re right about the blank or null like what if Dorn just loosed all the sisters of silence on him at the same time?!?! THAT WOULD BE A SIIIICK SHOWDOWN!!
It would be ten times scarier if Lucius wasn't a dude possessing people but a title that people could take. Say, for instance, a person kills Lucius and was an exceptionally good commander. Welp, he starts calling himself Lucius and eventually becomes Lucius (astartes implants and all) and thinks he is immortal. He makes a sword just like the original Lucius' and he has all of the original Lucius' skills and his new leadership abilities. The armor and whip grow in and the new Lucius always, eventually goes back to the Emperor's children and tries to lead them. Now, stick with me here. Make it where there are at least 5 Lucius running around right now. Make it where, if Lucius dies, if anyone, ANYONE knew about it and felt pride, happiness, etc, they could go down that spiral. Makes him a cognitohazard that the Inquisition has more of a reason to keep on the down-low. If they don't and news of his death spreads, entire worlds could become Lucius. Lucius isn't as pretentious now, eh? They are scary as fuck like that. Granted, this sounds more of an Alpha Legion champion now tho.
There's a few OG named characters kicking. Fabius, Fulgrim, Lucius, Eidolon. Plus whoever GW makes up later. As an aside, when Lucius revived in the dude who made the mine, his very first thought upon learning that was "I'm going to have to kill so many people to stop this from spreading."
Still. Pretty funny that there's this factory world churning out landmines that can just straight up one shot chaos space marines. Makes sense I guess given the powerful explosives that exist in 40k but it just makes me wonder why we don't have far far more space marines getting killed by land mines and my only Watsonian explaination (that is to say an in universe explaination) is that the majority of space marines have such sharp senses and quick reaction times that they just identify and avoid the majority of mines. Which means that Lucius fucked up so badly, he made a blunder that even normal astartes without his millennia of experience or the powers of chaos usually avoid. Which is very funny. He was so obsessed with whatever he was doing he stepped on a mine and died.
I, too, hate Lucius. He's a swordsman who'se been beaten AND killed in SWORDFIGHTS. Multiple times. How many times has Kharn lost a fight? Huh?! At least he lost to Sigismund! Lucius is a chump with a handicap. Plus, his OWN primarch screwed him over by cursing Roboute with never feeling pride in anything he does ever again. Essentially, Fulgrim game Roboute the tool he needs to kill Lucius for good.
Sharrowkyn later died fighting traitors on Luna during the Siege of Terra. On the door where his body was found, there was a message saying ‘Sangprimus Portum’…
horrific zombie post, but that Raven Guard is Nykona Sharrowkyn, and after killing Lucius, was put into stasis with the Sangprimus Portum artifact. Though the artifact was retrieved, it's uncertain where Sharrowkyn is currently but he is most likely alive
His post heresy/modern era stuff is pretty good imo. His warband has some cool characters, he’s pretty funny, all his warriors/friends hate him and want him to die too.
The thing I like about Lucius’ ability is that when he gets the curse it no longer matters when he fights. He loses the joy of sword fighting, for two reasons. One because there’s no consequence to his death. And two, because he can never fight the person again. He can never beat them. So he is eternally second to them entirely because of his curse. It’s actually a brilliant idea. I love Lucius. He’s like Erebus where you love to hate him. But when you delve into his character it’s actually really sad. I mean, he deserves it. But still.
Eidolon is still around. There's actually quite a few left around from the heresy. Most sit on "The Phoenix Council," headed by Eidolon himself. Though by the state of the current canon... Yeah Eidolon is a monster onto himself. As in Fabulous Bill himself, the creep who resurrected his ass after Fulgrim lopped off his head and dunked it into a vat of wine, doesn't want to be anywhere near him. The same Fabius Bile who made offshoots of the space marines that are able to reproduce without humans and are actively worshiping him as a god such that he's a minor chaos god. The same Fabius Bile who hung out with the Dark Eldar and who was taught the secrets of their Haemonculae, looked at whatever the hell Eidolon is turning into and said "oh hell to the fuck to the no" and got the fuck out of Dodge.
I never tried to rules-lawyer a way to kill Lucius with his resurrection mechanics in mind, cause Slaanesh can just disregard that. No I've always immediately went for the nuclear option. That being what the Emperor did to Horus or Ahriman did to Othyr Wyrdmake: just delete his Soul
i guess a blank also works, since they're completely detached from warp energy and basically have no emotions or reactions to speak off. its in their name after all....
Isnt the first captain of the Emp-Children, still around leading war-bands of the EC around? I forgot his name. The guy that got decapitated for annoying Fulgrim, but got his head sewn back on by fabius…
Just found the channel and can’t wait to see your numbers blow up. I also really hate Lucius. The dude in the factory and the necron turning into him is just such abysmal writing and I despise it to no end. Would love to see you do a video about the most based legion/primarch the Jaghatai and the White Scars
wasnt there a story where a necron warrior killed Lucius and "took pride" in it so Lucius came back? not sure if that was rc'd or not but it sucks either way
Keep on keeping on bro. Bit in the beginning was funny, you're making solid consistent content. It's getting to the point everytime I get a notification a video of yours is up, I get excited!
I’m all for the unhinged opinion on Lucius. Would love to hear more about the other major characters out there. Ps I love post video arthur. Please don’t ever stop
Telemachon Lyras is such a better representation for Slaanesh if you ask me. This mad lad had the testicular fortitude to stand toe to toe with a bloodthirster basically uncorrupted, and proceeded to beat its arse while giggling, because funny.
I like that he was brought back to life via Marks of Slaanesh. However when I heard that it was the guy who makes landmines all day who gets the luscious treatment. My respect dwindled.
I just finished primogenitor and have started cloneLord. it's a shame Josh Reynolds is no longer with black library because I've been very much enjoying his books.
The error with lucius that everything cone to him to easy , like hell just give him a personal pride so high that he would DENIED death to think that he would lose to someone that better than him. Slaneesh is about “ extremes “ , if lucius have a Pride so fcking high that even Slaneesh can’t ignore and granted that power ( like at long at Lucius can still keep his pride over his opponents, then he could be reborn) The mine field just bullsh’t from my opinion
Trully compared to the other chaos champions, lucius is kinda pathetic and annoying , honestly fabulous Bill make a better champion and still fit in the slaneesh's whole deal . But honestly a whole New character maybe one clinging to the emperors children original Quest of beauty and perfection but in a Twisted way
Honestly though, in the early HH Novels he was a good character, took his Whooping from Loken came back stronger. He was a true member of the III; him Eidelon and Fulgrim didn’t know when to stop striving for perfection. I liked him pre Istvaan; I agree with everything else about him after Istvaan. Also how the F would a fabricator even know which of his mines killed Lucius?!? I’m sure there’s a reason, I just haven’t come across that story yet. I just finished Takes of Heresy and about to start Fallen Angels.
I like to think that Lucius was on Istvaan 3, not because he was loyalist, but because even the traitors absolutely loathed him. Eidolon basically says this in galaxy in flames.
I keep forgetting he exists, and that may seem not that big a deal in such a big universe but I truly will remember the firedrakes before him, because the one thing they have is cooler then his 10000 years of stagnation.
There should be more danger to him dying, imagine every time he dies slannesh torments his soul for a 100 years in the warp, but he returns real world a week later
I wonder if hes secretly racking up some kind of massive debt for every time he gets resurrected he owes slaanesh a thousand years of soul torture or something
What if someone just, like, chopped off his arms and legs, bound him to a satellite set up with several radioisotope generators and solar panels, configured it to constantly keep him alive and conscious, then let it drift into space, in orbit around some star?
I remember a story, long after the heresy, where a Lunar Wolf Who by his own admission turned back to the Emperor’s side had found and helped a mother and her adoptive daughter and the mother for some reason could heal from terrible wounds. Is that what you are referring to in the 3:33 mark? If so, could you please send me the title because for the life of me, I cannot find it again?
Literally the best part of his character Was during the Fighting on iistvan III Before the whispers of slaanesh fully took him And him saying he planned to duel Fulgrim... It didnt feel cocky It didn't feel like it was Lucius being.... Himself we've gotten to know It felt brave It felt like he was being AN ACTUAL CHARACTER... It made me feel like there could have been something good here And it is literally the ONLY time we ever get to see it And then he does, singlehandedly, the worst thing in the entire series And Y'know what It makes me even nore Bitter at the end
Lucius the Eternal revives not because of some "satisfaction". Its just because Slaanesh thinks its funny
It's because Slannesh feeds from the pain and anguish that 40k fans feel just for the sheer fact that Lucius exists.
I remember that someone killed him without feeling any pride and he didn't resurrect but Chaos characters just can't die when they should so Slannesh resurrected him bruh
@@thepoliticalgunnut8018 honestly that makes more sense, either way, stick him in a modified dreadnought cofin and bary it in some foreworld
@@wedoalittleeco-trolling9126 He did it for the lolz scgadenfreude is a strong emotion 😉
@@wedoalittleeco-trolling9126 That was pre-curse and Fabius brought him back
You totally know they wrote the part about the factory worker because of some drunk bar argument.
-"lucious is on your planet, and you can't kill him, or you will become him!"
"Uhhh yeah? Well I cover the entire planet with land mines and shoot all the guys who laid them!"
-"What? Nuhuuuu! That won't work! He would.... uhhh.... possess they guy who made the landmines!"
Let’s not forget the time he took over a necron drone, a being that is little more than programming of what once was a living being dumbed down to little more than a mindless zombie thrall. Legit no soul. By that logic he could potentially take over a man of iron whose programmer has long since died.
@@JustSomeDude42 hey, necron warrior zimmith 00010101010100 didn't have much left of his mind but pride in how shiny he is
@@diabrog I’d like to argue but frankly the idea that Zimmith 00010101010100 beating Lucius so bad in a sparkliest heresy contest is too funny to me. Lucius died of shame and added the one face that can’t scream cause it doesn’t have a soul to his armor. Just a weird quiet patch now shinier than the rest of him.
@@JustSomeDude42Chaos be chaosing
Far as I know, it's not that far off - I'm like 90% sure that argument is how it went lol
One interesting things about Lucious I will admit is that the Armor of Shrieking Souls constantly taunts Lucious and remind him of his failures to win his fights against them. That does play well into the Emperor's Children's theme of striving for perfection but never reaching it. Lucious is always going to be reminded of the fact he isn't the greatest warrior and it irks him in the back of his mind.
I can imagine Tobias being like "Hey Lucy, careful not to trip and fall face first on another landmine"
the most interesting thing I find about Lucius is his relationship with Soul Tarvits, and the tragedy of their falling out.
Fabius Bile is by far the better candidate for Avatar of Slaanesh. He is just as obsessive, he’s too prideful to accept that gods exist, and Slaanesh has him wrapped around her finger. Honestly, his books make him such a perfect champion of Slaanesh that he deserves to become her new favorite toy. Plus, it would be hilarious for Lucius to get all bitter and petulant because Slaanesh stopped treating him like he’s the hottest shit to ever exist. That’s my two cents on it.’
Except he's got one thing the worshippers of chaos largely don't: the will to innovate
Fabius' talents would be put to much better use under the iron warriors
Slannesh can only do what slannesh knows. Fabius Bile is creating that new new sin that never been before and is best left to innovate. He might be her curiosity.
@@discipleofdagon8195he would chaff under the demand of results.
@@KCUFyoufordoxingme he'd probably cook up something ungodly with honsou
>Slaanesh
>her
Toby: I built a cool landmine, I like my cool landmine
Lucius the eternal: proceeds to step on it and possess him
6:46 This right here is my main complaint about Lucius. They say he will be reincarnated into the body of his killer if the killer took any pleasure or satisfaction in killing him. There seems to be a lot of room where he could be killed easily, such as a simple orbital bombardment or a stray round from someone who didn’t even know they hit him, but then he reincarnates because a guy who made a land mine who killed him cared about his work in creating that mine, and APPARENTLY that satisfies the demands of the curse, when it really just feels like GW is making up the rules on the fly.
I think I read somewhere that even if he were nommed by a tyranid, it would still count because the tyranid would feel satisfaction at having a good meal.
I feel like there’s some genuine misunderstandings with the reason why Lucius’s powers work the way they do, and even how they do. It’s not necessarily that someone “must feel satisfaction” in his death, it’s less about the fact that he can reincarnate through others, and moreso meant to imply that only someone who truly doesn’t just loathe him as an enemy, but loves him as a friend and close companion, someone who would be distraught at his death, can survive killing him. And the bitter irony that is meant to be invoked by this, is that the only person capable of such feelings towards him were Saul Tarvitz, his best friend, and the man he betrayed on Istvaan. Only someone who loves him can survive killing him, someone who would mourn the loss of Lucius the man inside the armour- who he killed long ago. Pity the man who lives in this galaxy without love.
Also it's nonsense
Ain't there a single factory worker on Earth who is proud of his work and in 40k especially not
The thing is that, the curse is BS. Slaanesh will reincarnate him no matter what.
Slaanesh does the "take over the body of the killer" for shits and giggles. Its just to taunt Lucius since he will never be able to get a rematch with his killer to prove himself better than them, and Lucius' anguish at this fact, is why Slaanesh puts that non-arbitrary clause into his shtick. Its not there to help him, its there to poke fun at him being a failure.
Nykona Sharrowkyn was an absolute chad for the way he disrespected Lucius when he killed him.
My main issue with Lucius is that there are no stakes when he fights. If he wins, great. Victory and toe sucking all round. If he loses, give him 3-5 business days and he's back. Even thinking of a way to permanently dispose of him would constitute "pride" in orchestrating his downfall. Motherfuckers got an everything-proof shield, and GW have no reason to kill him.
That being said, you'd imagine that a Nid or basic Necron would feel nothing about killing him, but I suppose he can just not fight the less sapient adversaries? I'd laugh my ass off if he got capped by a Termagant at some point.
He's been killed by a necron and he came back. The downside given for Lucius' recantation is he's bit by bit losing his soul and control of his body to some other entity and even Lucius doesn't know what the thing is.
@@jamesmacken9501 Oh boo hoo he's a fucking chaos worshipper. 1 in 2 deals with that everyday
@@jamesmacken9501so's like, every other chaos worshipping fool?
@@JudgeNicodemus Kharn and Typhus likely to stay around as long as they're entertaining and get things done, Lucius has an expiry date that gets closer everytime he uses his namesake.
@@jamesmacken9501 yeah, because Kharn and Typhus are fun characters, Lucius as a character embodies the greatest sin a writer can make. He's just boring.
I want one of three things to happen to Lucius. Either he dies from a natural disaster, gets killed by a Tyranid, or Trazyn kidnaps his ass. So he spends the rest of eternity in stasis.
lucius getting trazyn'd would be so funny
Imagine if somehow Lucius was killed by a Custodes from the inside of the Golden Palace.
Im pretty sure GW in their infinit wisdom will say Lucius still could appear there, wreak havoc, and then leave.
Then 7 years later retcon it.
I would like to imagine that after Lucious gets lucky with that one Custodian kill a bunch of other Custodians dogpile him and throw him into the Dark Cells where all the other bullshit overpowered stuff the Imperium can't conventionally deal with goes to rot.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788lucius getting spartan kicked into a really deep hole 😂
To be fair, IIRC, he's only lost about 10 times in 10000 years. The fanart gives him too many faces.
The best part about his gift/curse is that he will *never* get to rematch anyone who beat him. He will always want to prove he is better, no matter how much better he gets he will never remove those wounds to his pride/ego. Slaanesh is not a nice person.
I think he's died specifically 7 times. The thing with the faces on his armour is even before his first death it was already covered in screaming faces, so it's impossible to know how many times he's died based off his armour.
Thays a really good point!
You say that but that's still more deaths than the vast majority of chaos astartes have because they dont get a get out of death free card
Dunno man, the artwork at 0:53 is from Black Library and those are a lot faces.
The problem is that he is an Abaddon level villain where both have several losses that it hurts their image in the lore. It's a notable problem with how GW handles stories, even Angron and Mortarion get the short end of the stick even though they are daemonic demi gods.
The face scarring was after he went and spoke to Serena, a remembrancer on with the emperor's children, and she told him that she would cut herself for everything that wronged her, so that she'd never forget. Lucius took up this and made 2 parallel scars on his face with Serena's knife, so that he could never forget what lokan did to him (punched his face).
And later asked a thousand son to fix his face, so even that
Like most things in 40K I don't hate him in particular. I do *HATE* what the _writers_ do with him. You know that story where he died from a landmine and became and regenerated from the factory worker or from a literally emotionless soulless necron? Well the reason why that happened was because a writer saw a 40K forum about people discussing how to theoretically kill Lucius. This -dick- man saw fans of the franchise having fun discussing the setting and it's potential future and decided to invalidate all of it by proving that he is actually unkillable and the fan's strategy's are pointless. He didn't think to reward their efforts by using a similar strategy or doing something creative and put Lucius in a position were his immortality wouldn't save him and he had to rely on his other talents. No. He just drank the Dragon Ball BS power scaling Koolade and just made him mORe pOweRfUl.
Also his most defining ability has no mechanic on the tabletop. Imagine if he had the ability to kill/teleport to the unit that killed him and what fun games that would create. Specifically using artillery at the edge of the map to remove him from key locations. Hectic kill chains. Willingly dying for the teleport. But no. He's just another chaos lord.
I feel like Lucius sucks on purpose, Slaanesh feeds on all strong emotions, and the burning shame/rage Lucius feels every time he resurrects or even looks at the faces of his betters, permanently fused to his armor, is probably especially delicious.
All chaos gods feed on strong emotions. Not just slaneesh though i dont think you meant that, easily read that way though!
@@Hiihtopipaall chaos gods feed on emotions, Slaanesh feeds on emotion full stop
In defense of the whole "Dying all the time thing", That is mostly down to him deliberately self nerfing and putting weird conditions on himself every time he fights, if he didn't fights would be too easy and boring for him and his patron god.
He also plays with his food to much. Plus he likes the pain... him "losing" isn't always because he was the weaker fighter. The man has beat a emperors champion in a duel. He is entirely unpredictable in a fight
@@TheHinni1234so he lost because hes stupid rather than less skilled smh
@@conradlorgar5508nah more like he knows he can revive and is just bored of fighting the same way over and over again. It's like if you got so good at a game while just sticking to one playstyle and you get bored so you fck around or how some people play games with weird challenges like those "Can you beat Dark Souls with level 1 for all stat" or some sht. Personally best example, MGR: Revengeance, I just play the game without upgrading the sword, no secondary weapons, or utilities or recovery because it feels too easy for me but I still enjoy playing the game very much, I just do that because I find the challenge more fun
Do I still die? Yes even if I don't find the game that difficult even with those limitations I still get a game over screen. Am I having fun? Yes because I enjoy the game and the challenge I made, plus I can just load last checkpoint if I die or start using recoveries if I ever really gave up. Am I an idiot? I guess I am but since it makes me enjoy it I wouldn't exactly call what I did a dumb move since it may be a challenge the main point is to have fun.
@@wufflemuffin9197 Lucius can't do that though. Yes, he revives but he can't go back and try again. Even if he did, he literally fucked around and found out. Either they're now a part of the armour, so he knows he never bested whoever killed him and is a constant reminder to his ego or he has to admit he was being childish about a battle he should be taking seriously as a avid swordsman. His ego is way too fragile to not try to be the best. Only thing coming back from the dead does is prove how much better someone else is than himself, he can even just look 90 degrees downwards and see for himself.
You can do a Dark Souls run and try a challenge again & again & again until you get it right, it's nowhere near a comparison to Lucius' revivals or battles.
@@mouthyschannel2474 Ah yea that's true but that doesn't really disprove most of what I said, just that I was wrong about one thing.
It doesn't change that Lucius challenges himself because of how bored he is and finds it more engaging
He is having fun nerfing himself (unless he loses)
He's not stupid but just incredibly arrogant and overconfident. The purpose of his self-imposed nerf was so he can find fights more fun, which he succeeded in doing to a degree.
The analogy I gave is fine, I just need to replace some parts by saying, "Yes I can just retry (for Lucius case it's to respawn) but I can never forgive myself for dying to a single enemy. I have spent so much time getting better and you're telling me I die?"
The only dude who can compete with Erebus for most hated in 40k
Erebus being a good character and Lucius a bad one
@@andresperedo1275 To quote another Warhammer youtuber "Being evil is fine, being irritating is unacceptable".
I have an unpublished fan fiction where my self insert spends his time hunting down and murdering Lucius with utter disgust in his heart. Waiting for Slaanesh to get bored and respawn Lucius anyway (because that is apparently a thing in the lore), then hunting him down with the aid of hired night lords and murdering him again. Over and over again. This fan fiction will never even be written, but I carry it with me in my heart.
night lords with a khorne blessing would do it
…. Just to clear, I said I liked PRE-Eternal Lucius *skulks away to corner, plays with Fabius Bile mini….
Pre eternal Lucius was cool it goes down hill from there
*Khorne's Champion:* Consumed by rage, expemplifies his master's creed. Entire armies have to account for him as an army unto himself in their strategies.
*Nurgle's Champion:* The one who delivered his legion to Nurgle and fully embraced the gifts in the same instance himself. A magnificent embodiment of decay and rebirth that can start a world-ending plague by being in the world's airsoace for 5 seconds.
*Tzeentch's Champion:* A mastermind who weaves chaos into magic with ease.
A walking encyclopedia of forbidden lore who ever strives to know it all. And delivers all that knowledge to Tzeentch at the same time, intentionally ir not.
*Slaanesh's Champion:* _Prep kid with "restart from last checkpoint" save. And still plays on "easy."_
Ya know, if they had to make a rebirth character, it would be better if it was a Nurgle champion that infects who kills them, and the disease turns them into the champion
Kind of like Tamurkhan?
I cannot abide by a man who unironically calls him KAIRN 1:21
If I could do a headcannon/rework of Lucius I would probably turn his "gift" of resurrection into a monkey's paw of sorts
You see, his gift of resurrection only works if people take satisfaction in his death. This means (at least in his mind) that he can never truly connect with people without risking his very soul.
Lucius in this version would always have craved connection. He's always desperately craved to be liked and understood for who he is. And even to this day some of this desire still survives in some twisted way. Yet he als knows that to make himself vulnerable like that now would risk his very soul.
Like, say he wanted to get a genuine friend (at least, as genuine as you can get in a chaos legion). He might be able to do it now - the gifts of Slaanesh can make a man very charismatic after all. Yet what if a friendly scrap got out of hand and his new friend somehow struck him in just the right place? Or what if he killed him by accident or...? His new friend might be too horrified to feel any satisfaction, and Lucius would go straight to Slaanesh. And in secret Lucius is absolutely terrified of the idea of spending all of eternity trapped in Slaanesh's realm, as trapped and alone as the faces on his armour.
So the only way for him to be safe is to make sure that everyone -even his own warband - absolutely hates his fucking guts. That's the sick joke Slaanesh played on their favorite servant. Lucius' gift constantly leaves him so close to what he wants, yet for his own safety he has to actively deny it every single day of his life.
That is a pretty cool take
@@ClovenOnes I second this
Man, imagine a perspective where enters his room and his face just drops and it's dead silent and the pink hue is replaced by a somber dark purple black hue and he just collapses into a chair, his eyes without color, black, and just still and with posture of defeat, with a crushing lonely atmosphere, completely at odds with how he is outside, and he HATES IT, it crushes him, but he has just a spark of hope he won't be alone, which is only eclipsed by his fear of actually dying, that he succumbs to doing what he hates and being what he hates, just to survive, out of desire not to die, so that he can always be the best, and for him to have a Lucid understanding that this is a curse, and he HATES it, and hates more how he has to embrace it.... Or else.
Edit: Oh my god, it would be the perfect pain of never being loved as a narcissist, with the pleasure of always being the best of a narcissist.
It would be the most poetic, fittingly, of all the Chaos Champions.
I agree with you, and you made an excellent point about him being a master swordsman. The fact that he'll just always come back really defeats the purpose of him being a master swordsman.
He also sucks at it, i heard he once got jobbed by a fucken Skitarii of all things.
I feel like Slaneshi characters have to be given intricate reasons to exist, if Khorne is the simplest chaos god, Slanesh is the most complicated. All other chaos gods have cool followers by default, Khorne has blood thirsty followers that live for the fight, Nurgle has unstoppable plague bearing followers that dont feel pain and seem to be in perpetual bliss, Tzeench has unkowable and all powerfull followers that have sick magic powers. Slanesh has narcissistic followers that cant get anything done, wich is sad for a chaos god that embodies ambition, passion and the pursuit of perfection, like come on, whats more relatable than that? you could make awsome characters with the broad range of ideologies that align with slanesh in some way, but we just get depraved and depressed types. Make me root for slanesh like i root for Khornes followers because they are so cool sometimes i forget they are the bad guys
Man's walking around in an armor displaying the thousands of Ls he's taken.
they call him a master swordsman but he is everliving proof that he blows, actually
hes a master loser
imagine some guy, say a marine in ancient armor and weapons whose makers are all dead. He goes and kills lucius in combat and immediately after kills himself. Who is Lucius gonna take over?
If he did it by bolt round. The round maker would die. If it was by power weapon it would be by whoever last did the machine blessings. If by orbital laser, one of the crew that works on the laser or works in the reactor of the ship or the commanding officer of the ship who ordered the shot. If not them? Then the overall commander, who was unaware of his death but felt satisfaction that his campaign looked like it would be wrapping up soon and the sector would be saved etc. Etc. And so on and so forth. Technically this could reach all the way back to rowboat guillotine if no one felt pride prior as he is the lord commander of the imperium.
what if he drowned himself
@crowbell3059 that would require nobility. He doesn't have the good grace to kill himself in mine craft. A true impossibility. He'd sooner turn to the worship of gork n Mork than kill himself.
My guess, they would feel compelled to the point of not doing so, some dumb bs like that.
as a fellow Lucius hater, the title of this vid couldn't have put a bigger smile on my face
I’m starting an Emperor’s Children army- loving the lore for them! Also since your reaction to Lucius is so negative that probably means they did a good job making him being so hated- I assume that was the writer’s intent with this character.
He’s not hated for being a shitty person or doing something horrible. He’s hated for being poorly written (in the current 40k time) and has immense plot armour that makes no sense sometimes
as mentioned in the video. his one gimmick is that he cant die.. so why should we care about the character at all? even if he does get killed we know hes just gonna come back to ruin the day once again, and its not even done in a good way. just a bad character all around. they wrote amazing loyalist EC during the HH series. Saul Tarvitz and Rylanor being the most obvious examples. So its just frustrating to see this walking scrotum be the only option for a 'champion of slaanesh' besides Fulgrim himself.
@@t.mcgarry4 Why do you only care if a character can die? That’s a bit ridiculous.
@@jm329 The circumstances around it is what is bullshit.
They establish rules for his ability, which is that he can possess people that defeated him and took pride in his death. Yet showed cases like the land mine thing, where he possessed the dude who made the land mine who didn't even know he existed because that person took pride in making a weapon for the Imperium. Even worse, he possess a fucking Necron, a being that has neither a soul, organic body, nor a mind capable of feeling pride because it is a mindless machine. By that logic, he could possess a rock that fell on his head and killed him.
His power was great in concept, but just awful at execution. It's like a child saying "No you cant kill me, I activated my immortality shield".
@@Hustle-boneswhat?
I just finished galaxy in flames
And what do u mean, his betryal is unforgivable.
I hope when they bring back fulgrim and the emperors children the first thing they do is have Lucius shot by a necron, or Tyranid and killed forever. Or get him trapped on an Ork ship where he’s constantly being revived, but killed by another ork before he can properly transfer, in an infinite loop of pain and death that would make even an emperors children uncomfortable after a couple years
He has already previously been killed by a necron warrior before, an unfeeling, emotionless killing machine and he was still able to take over the necrons body. Doesn't matter what situation you put him in he always comes back due to some stupid contrived reason. Pretty sure it's also canon that if he ever were to die in a way that he can't come back from Slaneesh itself will just respawn him anyway.
Looking forward to your Fabius Bile video, another great video boss man keep up the great work
Honestly Lucius should have died a long time ago, with bile becoming the main slannesh champion similarly to Ahriman. That one but about his resurrection diluting his title of master swordsman hit the mail on the head- of you basically can be resurrected anytime you loose then how can you truly be taken seriously as a fighter. I think an interesting take on the character would to have people just… refuse to fight him. Like he would try and fight Kharn the betrayer but would be ignored because Kharn doesn’t want to fight with such a dishonorable fighter who’s such a sore looser he possesses anyone beats him. I think it could then result in slannesh s gift actually becoming a curse because Lucius will never be taken seriously, which for a person like him is a fate worse than death
Lucius is great, he rarely loses. Ahriman is a freaking god, he could destroy the emperor.
Slaanesh’s gift is a curse to Lucius because he can no longer improve his skills as a swordsman. If he beats someone he doesn’t get any satisfaction from the fight because he was already better than them, if they win they will forever be better than him and he will never get a rematch because they will be possessed. Slaanesh’s cruel joke on him is made worse because Lucius declared himself the “greatest swordsman” and he will never be able to prove it.
Bile isn’t even really a slaaneshi marine though.
You got me there for a second, I thought that was MY pill alarm going off.
"Some chad named Garviel."
Loken the forever chad of the 40k universe.
A good way to punish Lucius is to change it so the screaming faces in his armor are actually laughing at him for being killed by them and never getting a chance for a rematch
I don't think Lucius is a bad character, I think he is interesting and I like the idea that he is favored BC of his devotion to perfecting his craft. I just hate this idea of his plot armor that allows him to return at all times. Its makes sense in some ways, but then like you mentioned the factory worker thing. He is favored by his patron god then why do we need a reason he can ressurrect at all. The big 4 can simply bring anyone they want back at any time, how is it Lucius needs to be that special in that way.
There is almost know way to legit kill him in accordance to the lore and that makes it dumb. There needs to be a retcon that he only possesses anyone who kills him in combat face to face.
I'd like to see him "kill" Lukas the trickster. Thus ending my need to put up with anymore lucius the eternal assholery
I always thought Fabius Bile was the unsung Champion of The Emperor's Children? His obsession with creating "perfection" is totally a 3rd Legion thing.
Uhm, Fabius Bile is on the run for the Emperor's Children and Fulgrim.
@@LowlandGames I mean, aren't all the Chaos Chapters kinda all at war within? I would think Fabius's experiments probably have gained him a lot of favor with Slaanesh.
@@jmsaum Fabius doesn’t even believe Slaanesh exists. Slaanesh would never give favor to someone who doesn’t worship him/her
@@RogueBlood343 I mean, I suppose you're right? It just seems like a hella waste of an interesting story. The Unwilling Spider of Slaanesh has a real sadistic kinda air about it LOL.
@@LowlandGames so? Ahriman was literally exiled until only recently by his own primarch and fellow sorcerers due to his mistake with the rubric.
Kharn was named the betrayer because he set half his legion on fire for daring to have common sense.
Typhus is despised by his own primarch and fellow warriors for tricking them into becoming literal walking diseases, the only reason he hasn't been gangbamged by his fellow legionaries and primar h 8s because of Nurgle's will itself.
“Master swordsman” (dies in sword fights all the time)
Yeah! I cant get over it, he literally more famous for how many times he lost rather than how many times he won at that point!
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Was there ever a situation where someone that bested him felt satisfaction later on afterward? Like at first they didn’t care but later on they reminded of what a smug bastard he was, they get a little smirk on their face; next stop shrieking skulls in a suit of armor.
Yeah there was, a Raven Guard captain killed him and felt absolutely nothing... And yet Lucius still came back, just not in his body! Aka bullshit resurrection powers again.
Now they shifted the goalpost that Lucius will only die for good if his killer feels nothing but pity and remorse for Lucius, which Lucius "preemptively counters" by being literally the worst creatures in ten systems around, so everybody feels at least some hatred for him.
I think the only way to permanently kill him would either be from a blank or have a demon of a different god kill him. I only think that would work because slaanesha's power wouldn't extend to like Magnus or angron
Honestly I liked PRE-TERNAL Lucius, he had a real heartfelt moment with Tarvitz on IV3 aft Tarvitz saved his life, he showed real humility…. even IF he was planning on betraying TF out of everyone to get back in the 3rd.
I think you’re right about the blank or null like what if Dorn just loosed all the sisters of silence on him at the same time?!?! THAT WOULD BE A SIIIICK SHOWDOWN!!
@@MrVlad12340 LMFAO his passive aura just pisses everyone off so bad!!
Agreed, I’ve never despised a character and a characters abilities more. He makes Abaddon look like the best written character ever
It would be ten times scarier if Lucius wasn't a dude possessing people but a title that people could take. Say, for instance, a person kills Lucius and was an exceptionally good commander. Welp, he starts calling himself Lucius and eventually becomes Lucius (astartes implants and all) and thinks he is immortal. He makes a sword just like the original Lucius' and he has all of the original Lucius' skills and his new leadership abilities. The armor and whip grow in and the new Lucius always, eventually goes back to the Emperor's children and tries to lead them.
Now, stick with me here. Make it where there are at least 5 Lucius running around right now. Make it where, if Lucius dies, if anyone, ANYONE knew about it and felt pride, happiness, etc, they could go down that spiral. Makes him a cognitohazard that the Inquisition has more of a reason to keep on the down-low. If they don't and news of his death spreads, entire worlds could become Lucius.
Lucius isn't as pretentious now, eh? They are scary as fuck like that. Granted, this sounds more of an Alpha Legion champion now tho.
There's a few OG named characters kicking. Fabius, Fulgrim, Lucius, Eidolon. Plus whoever GW makes up later.
As an aside, when Lucius revived in the dude who made the mine, his very first thought upon learning that was "I'm going to have to kill so many people to stop this from spreading."
Still. Pretty funny that there's this factory world churning out landmines that can just straight up one shot chaos space marines. Makes sense I guess given the powerful explosives that exist in 40k but it just makes me wonder why we don't have far far more space marines getting killed by land mines and my only Watsonian explaination (that is to say an in universe explaination) is that the majority of space marines have such sharp senses and quick reaction times that they just identify and avoid the majority of mines. Which means that Lucius fucked up so badly, he made a blunder that even normal astartes without his millennia of experience or the powers of chaos usually avoid. Which is very funny. He was so obsessed with whatever he was doing he stepped on a mine and died.
Xantine model would be nice
I, too, hate Lucius. He's a swordsman who'se been beaten AND killed in SWORDFIGHTS. Multiple times.
How many times has Kharn lost a fight? Huh?! At least he lost to Sigismund! Lucius is a chump with a handicap.
Plus, his OWN primarch screwed him over by cursing Roboute with never feeling pride in anything he does ever again. Essentially, Fulgrim game Roboute the tool he needs to kill Lucius for good.
I also do not know what happened to the Raven Guard that killed him the first time its like they just left that to the imagination.
Sharrowkyn took no pride in killing him (he even remarks that killing Lucius is like putting down a rabid animal) so the curse didn't take effect
He had his head reattached by Fabius.
Really.
That's what happened.
Sharrowkyn later died fighting traitors on Luna during the Siege of Terra.
On the door where his body was found, there was a message saying ‘Sangprimus Portum’…
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Wrong guy.
horrific zombie post, but that Raven Guard is Nykona Sharrowkyn, and after killing Lucius, was put into stasis with the Sangprimus Portum artifact. Though the artifact was retrieved, it's uncertain where Sharrowkyn is currently but he is most likely alive
I really hate Lucius' respawn power. You really reminded me how much I hated it after the engineer dying for no real reason, and becoming lucius
It's the kind of thing that is really cool IN CONCEPT, but in execution is just dumber than a box of rocks.
I like Lucius preheresy tbh, I haven’t read his heresy and post heresy stuff yet though
His post heresy/modern era stuff is pretty good imo. His warband has some cool characters, he’s pretty funny, all his warriors/friends hate him and want him to die too.
The thing I like about Lucius’ ability is that when he gets the curse it no longer matters when he fights. He loses the joy of sword fighting, for two reasons. One because there’s no consequence to his death. And two, because he can never fight the person again. He can never beat them. So he is eternally second to them entirely because of his curse. It’s actually a brilliant idea. I love Lucius. He’s like Erebus where you love to hate him. But when you delve into his character it’s actually really sad. I mean, he deserves it. But still.
At least he hosts a good talk show with Ahriman.
YOu just made this guy sound incredibly cool for a slaaneshian, his armor is pretty cool and his curse makes sense
There are thousands of Heresy era Emperor's Children running around, I don't know why you think it's just Lucius and Fabius
nah, that was my B
I made a correction to it a bit later in a different video, but you so right
Eidolon is still around. There's actually quite a few left around from the heresy. Most sit on "The Phoenix Council," headed by Eidolon himself.
Though by the state of the current canon... Yeah Eidolon is a monster onto himself. As in Fabulous Bill himself, the creep who resurrected his ass after Fulgrim lopped off his head and dunked it into a vat of wine, doesn't want to be anywhere near him. The same Fabius Bile who made offshoots of the space marines that are able to reproduce without humans and are actively worshiping him as a god such that he's a minor chaos god. The same Fabius Bile who hung out with the Dark Eldar and who was taught the secrets of their Haemonculae, looked at whatever the hell Eidolon is turning into and said "oh hell to the fuck to the no" and got the fuck out of Dodge.
I think he is a good character with a nonsensical amount of plot armor.
I never tried to rules-lawyer a way to kill Lucius with his resurrection mechanics in mind, cause Slaanesh can just disregard that. No I've always immediately went for the nuclear option. That being what the Emperor did to Horus or Ahriman did to Othyr Wyrdmake: just delete his Soul
i guess a blank also works, since they're completely detached from warp energy and basically have no emotions or reactions to speak off. its in their name after all....
Isnt the first captain of the Emp-Children, still around leading war-bands of the EC around?
I forgot his name. The guy that got decapitated for annoying Fulgrim, but got his head sewn back on by fabius…
Yep.
Eidolon.
"Bob, we gotta talk"
"DON"T CALL ME BOB!!"
And congrats on 103k!
"I want better for the Emperor's Children"
You and me both dude. I just want'em to go back to over-drip marines.
Just found the channel and can’t wait to see your numbers blow up. I also really hate Lucius. The dude in the factory and the necron turning into him is just such abysmal writing and I despise it to no end. Would love to see you do a video about the most based legion/primarch the Jaghatai and the White Scars
I FORGOT ABOUT THE NECRON THING.
That just makes me more upset.
Also
like
the White Scar video is out tomorrow lol
Spoilers
wasnt there a story where a necron warrior killed Lucius and "took pride" in it so Lucius came back? not sure if that was rc'd or not but it sucks either way
Him and Fulgrim are actually my favorite characters, Thanks for covering mah boi
Keep on keeping on bro. Bit in the beginning was funny, you're making solid consistent content. It's getting to the point everytime I get a notification a video of yours is up, I get excited!
I’m all for the unhinged opinion on Lucius. Would love to hear more about the other major characters out there.
Ps I love post video arthur. Please don’t ever stop
You make super entertaining and fun videos man
Telemachon Lyras is such a better representation for Slaanesh if you ask me. This mad lad had the testicular fortitude to stand toe to toe with a bloodthirster basically uncorrupted, and proceeded to beat its arse while giggling, because funny.
The only real reason I like him is because I think he encapsulates what the Champion of a demon god of pain would be
Lucius should be replaced with that one famous noice marine
So if Abaddon kills Lucius with his sword, his soul would just be trapped in the demon-blade?
I hope Abbadon does that
I love whatever you use in the background
like the music?
or the images?
@@TheBoneZone40k the music.
The first time I heard about Lucius it was through TTS, it wasn't a great first impression :v
always entertaining
keep it up!
I like that he was brought back to life via Marks of Slaanesh. However when I heard that it was the guy who makes landmines all day who gets the luscious treatment. My respect dwindled.
Eidolon is still alive.
I just finished primogenitor and have started cloneLord. it's a shame Josh Reynolds is no longer with black library because I've been very much enjoying his books.
The way you pronouced kharn will not let me sleep at night now 😂
I honestly think he should've just been permakilled by the landmine. Its the sort of irony in a super duelist losing to something so impersonal.
what if you just killed Lucius and then killed yourself? Would he still resurrect through you?
The error with lucius that everything cone to him to easy , like hell just give him a personal pride so high that he would DENIED death to think that he would lose to someone that better than him.
Slaneesh is about “ extremes “ , if lucius have a Pride so fcking high that even Slaneesh can’t ignore and granted that power ( like at long at Lucius can still keep his pride over his opponents, then he could be reborn)
The mine field just bullsh’t from my opinion
"just start going up without anyone's alert"
I'm just a filthy ESL but me thinks you just had a stroke there
What can I say.
My emotions toward Lucius robs me of my already limited understanding of proper grammar.
Let's gooooooo lucius my boy only reason I like him becuase it makes bunch of people mad
I quite enjoyed them in the fulgrim book, I blissfully ignore 40k
Me: I want to try an Emperor's Children army in 10th edition
Geedubs: OK, you must use Lucius as your Warlord
Me: No
The very fact that you hate Lucius means he's already beaten you. That is precisely how he operates.
Excited to see your video about Fabulous Billy.
Trully compared to the other chaos champions, lucius is kinda pathetic and annoying , honestly fabulous Bill make a better champion and still fit in the slaneesh's whole deal .
But honestly a whole New character maybe one clinging to the emperors children original Quest of beauty and perfection but in a Twisted way
The funniest thing they could do with his character is have him get killed and not come back.
Honestly though, in the early HH Novels he was a good character, took his Whooping from Loken came back stronger. He was a true member of the III; him Eidelon and Fulgrim didn’t know when to stop striving for perfection. I liked him pre Istvaan; I agree with everything else about him after Istvaan.
Also how the F would a fabricator even know which of his mines killed Lucius?!? I’m sure there’s a reason, I just haven’t come across that story yet.
I just finished Takes of Heresy and about to start Fallen Angels.
we got lucius when we could have had doomrider. we could have had DOOM. RIDER. ON THE COCAIN-FUELED BIKE.
His resurrection means he can never ever beat someone who has bested him, he's always the loser that comes back destined to keep losing
I like to think that Lucius was on Istvaan 3, not because he was loyalist, but because even the traitors absolutely loathed him. Eidolon basically says this in galaxy in flames.
Lucius the eternal: good i did my job as a villain well . Now we’re is the emporer children codex GW?
GW: emporer who? 😅
I keep forgetting he exists, and that may seem not that big a deal in such a big universe but I truly will remember the firedrakes before him, because the one thing they have is cooler then his 10000 years of stagnation.
I guess next time they could beat him without killing him and lock him somewhere for eternity. Sounds like a job for Trazyn
My headcannon is that Lucius die and is stuck in the armor. The body of Lucius is just a Daemon using it like a puppet.
There should be more danger to him dying, imagine every time he dies slannesh torments his soul for a 100 years in the warp, but he returns real world a week later
I wonder if hes secretly racking up some kind of massive debt
for every time he gets resurrected he owes slaanesh a thousand years of soul torture or something
You only hate em till you klll em, then you love him as much as he loves himself.
2:20 also something worthy of note is that i believe, alright believe, has been dipped in Nurgle's cauldron
What if someone just, like, chopped off his arms and legs, bound him to a satellite set up with several radioisotope generators and solar panels, configured it to constantly keep him alive and conscious, then let it drift into space, in orbit around some star?
I used to hate Lucius too. Then i saw the hammer and bolter episode about him. “I would die to find you.” Sooo good
I remember a story, long after the heresy, where a Lunar Wolf Who by his own admission turned back to the Emperor’s side had found and helped a mother and her adoptive daughter and the mother for some reason could heal from terrible wounds. Is that what you are referring to in the 3:33 mark? If so, could you please send me the title because for the life of me, I cannot find it again?
Literally the best part of his character
Was during the Fighting on iistvan III
Before the whispers of slaanesh fully took him
And him saying he planned to duel Fulgrim... It didnt feel cocky
It didn't feel like it was Lucius being.... Himself we've gotten to know
It felt brave
It felt like he was being AN ACTUAL CHARACTER... It made me feel like there could have been something good here
And it is literally the ONLY time we ever get to see it
And then he does, singlehandedly, the worst thing in the entire series
And Y'know what
It makes me even nore Bitter at the end