For the question at 10:12 I heard it is possible to enable 32 bit app support in Catalina setting a boot arg (sudo nvram boot-args="no32exec=0") and then copying 32-bit libraries from a Mojave install. I don't know if this works for the 2019 Mac Pro though.
I swear I saw something where someone did this, and it detected both after Burner cards, but they didn’t get any performance benefit. I’d link it, but I can’t find it.
I’ve been thinking about getting one of these I mainly work on audio / video production. I recently bought a Mac Mini with an external GPU but have had bottle necks recently working with Modern Video files from iPhone and My Gh7. I wonder if this is a good idea since I already have a sonnet 4x4 card in my MacPro 5,1. Do you know of a better alternative? I really want to stay in the same universe but am tired of solving so many problems 😂
Can a W5500x MPX and W580x MPX be used at the same time? Apple's website states only 1 580 can be used and not 2 at a time but wondered why that is and if I can use a 5500 and 580 at the same time. Maybe Final Cut Pro can take advantage of the 2nd video card and use the 580 as a compute device for render along with the 5500?
I left my 580x and 6900 Xt in, worked fine, almost zero improvement but windows hated it. I’ve seen many people with multiple GPUs but never dual 580s. I’d assume it works fine perhaps the drivers though will only use one gpu for compute.
Thank you. You are the Best ! I been using your guide on like MANY Mac Pros ! Where do I send my questions for you to make a video with the answers ? 😊
Portland. I’m a bit on the fence on keeping my 2019 as well. The m4 ultra rumors are insane with guesstimates of performing like a RTX 4090 and like a thread ripper pro 7995WX. Building a system like that would cost minim of $11k and a Mac Studio at $4k could be competitive.
@ small world. I’m in Tigard lol. I built a pc with a 14900kf and a 4070 ti super. That single gpu will do the Redshift benchmark in 1:33. The duos 2:15. I miss macOS but have been getting used to Windows
@@shanemckenzie3862 I’m a web dev / ui dev so it’s macOS for me. I’m forever dependent on *nix. WSL2 works but it’s a hassle, and it’s 25 years of macOS for me to unlearn to use Windows, and Linux isn’t really an option as there’s a lot of tools I use not available on it for work. If I cared more about games, 3D animation, or CAD I might feel compelled to have a beefy pc but I edit video using FCPX, and make music in Logic Pro (among other software).
Apparently the new NVIDIA 5090 is 304mm, does this mean you could theoretically run BootCamp inside Parallels & game with a 5090, while also running MacOS? 🤔
I’m not sure what you mean by run bootcamp inside parallels, but you can natively boot windows 10 and hack in windows 11. A 5090 would work in windows and Linux but not macOS. You’d need a second gpu and cabling for macOS. Also notable is that if you’re dumping $2k on a gpu, you probably want realize the maximum performance with it and the 2019 Mac Pro is prior the radical shift in Intel designs that drastically improved single core performance and multicore. While PCIe 3.0 is by means slow, will have some performance impact on a 5090 as it is to be PCIe 5.0. Basically you could potentially run a 5090 but it’d be cumbersome and if don’t already own a Mac Pro 2019, spending $1500 on a good psu, motherboard, cpu, ram and NVMe would build you a computer that’d get better results than a Mac Pro 2019 would.
@ In the setup I’m imagining, you could have say 3 monitors, game with the nerfed performance of a 5090 on one, while still freeing up the other two, to run MacOS. Since BootCamp is more natively optimized to take advantage of a GPU like the 5090, over Parallels, you could take a Mac Pro that already has say a W6900X // 6900XT (or whatever GPU for MacOS), & in Parallels, create a new virtual machine & choose the option to use an existing BootCamp partition. Then the only question would be if the older PCIe hardware & virtualization layer would be enough to nerf the 5090’s performance lower than a 6900. (running native on MacOS) The 5090 is pretty powerful though, it was shown getting like 250 fps on Cyberpunk 2077 in 4K. It could potentially brute force its way into delivering better performance than a native GPU… ???
@ Oh okay, so you're thinking of like how QEMU in linux can give direct hardware access to a GPU for virtualization. I don't think OVMF even exists on macOS let alone the rest of what's required and Parallels certainly doesn't support it.
4:45 This feels super first-world problem as a mac pro 2019 owner, but I wish these were actual replacements instead of just being attached to the original stands. Was super disappointing from OWC (but i can live with more arm work.)
Its super goofy Apple went so modular on this computer but didn’t make the feet simply removable, as it’d opened up more options for esoteric setups, be it drive bags that screwed to the bottom or just wheels.
You say under load your 3rd party 6900xt equiped mac pro doesn't get loud? Under load the temps fly up on my 6800XT and all the fans kick up in seconds when I'm playing a challenging AAA game in windows... The CPU rarely hits 60C and the 6800XT stays between 70 and 80, which AMD says is normal but yeah, there's a lot of fan noise. The two bottom fans are pretty nearly always at full speed when gaming unfortunately... Ah. So my samsung 990 pro gets the same speeds as the onboard raid zero cards. I thought there was something funky but I guess that's as fast as it's going to get? I read lots of comments saying if you get a better card you can exceed the speeds of the stock raid 0 SSD's on the 2019 mac pro.
Hmm, it’ll certainly turn up when I play games, I have a 6900 Xt but it’s much quieter than friends gaming pcs and a bit less than my Mac Pro 2010. I rarely game though. I suppose this is pretty relative and what your primary use case is.
@@Tigerex966 You need to be able to access the bios and that's not possible on a 7,1. On windows you can overclock the GPU, and I've read there is an app that allows you to undervolt the CPU but you can't overclock it. Insofar as I know.
@@Tigerex966 Also playing cyberpunk the bottleneck in the system is the 6800xt. The cpu is only running at about 25% and the GPU is maxed, getting around 70fps with ray tracing off and everything else on max. The CPU as it is with modern games is enough.
Thanks, "Definitive Mac Upgrade Guide" was not really the name I ever wanted but when I started the youtube channel, I literally was just making media to accompany my blog posts. A few people suggested dmg as for mac nerds, dmgs are a fact of life, and it could stand for "definitive mac guide" but I'll probably just roll with the initials and say it stands for "Dangerous Marshmallow Grenade" or "Drinking More Gueze" or "Doomed Marmot Gathering"
For the question at 10:12 I heard it is possible to enable 32 bit app support in Catalina setting a boot arg (sudo nvram boot-args="no32exec=0") and then copying 32-bit libraries from a Mojave install. I don't know if this works for the 2019 Mac Pro though.
I somehow missed this, got a link handle? Willing to try.
@@dmug I can't remember where I heard it from, though I was able to google "reenable 32 bit on Catalina" to find the instructions.
Very informative video. Awesome work! Also that beer looks amazing. ^_^
Thanks, Friar’s Festivus by Monkless,
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Can you have more than 1 afterburner card? Is it better to go from 5700 mpx to 6900 mpx or use 1 or more afterburner cards in Final Cut.
I swear I saw something where someone did this, and it detected both after Burner cards, but they didn’t get any performance benefit. I’d link it, but I can’t find it.
I’ve been thinking about getting one of these I mainly work on audio / video production. I recently bought a Mac Mini with an external GPU but have had bottle necks recently working with Modern Video files from iPhone and My Gh7. I wonder if this is a good idea since I already have a sonnet 4x4 card in my MacPro 5,1. Do you know of a better alternative? I really want to stay in the same universe but am tired of solving so many problems 😂
Can a W5500x MPX and W580x MPX be used at the same time? Apple's website states only 1 580 can be used and not 2 at a time but wondered why that is and if I can use a 5500 and 580 at the same time. Maybe Final Cut Pro can take advantage of the 2nd video card and use the 580 as a compute device for render along with the 5500?
I left my 580x and 6900 Xt in, worked fine, almost zero improvement but windows hated it. I’ve seen many people with multiple GPUs but never dual 580s. I’d assume it works fine perhaps the drivers though will only use one gpu for compute.
Thank you. You are the Best ! I been using your guide on like MANY Mac Pros ! Where do I send my questions for you to make a video with the answers ? 😊
Fire it in the comments, I’ll do my best to answer
Where about in OR are you? I'm up in PDX. I have a 2019 with two 6800x Duo's and 16c. Trying to decide whether to keep it.
Portland. I’m a bit on the fence on keeping my 2019 as well. The m4 ultra rumors are insane with guesstimates of performing like a RTX 4090 and like a thread ripper pro 7995WX. Building a system like that would cost minim of $11k and a Mac Studio at $4k could be competitive.
@ small world. I’m in Tigard lol. I built a pc with a 14900kf and a 4070 ti super. That single gpu will do the Redshift benchmark in 1:33. The duos 2:15. I miss macOS but have been getting used to Windows
@@shanemckenzie3862 I’m a web dev / ui dev so it’s macOS for me. I’m forever dependent on *nix. WSL2 works but it’s a hassle, and it’s 25 years of macOS for me to unlearn to use Windows, and Linux isn’t really an option as there’s a lot of tools I use not available on it for work.
If I cared more about games, 3D animation, or CAD I might feel compelled to have a beefy pc but I edit video using FCPX, and make music in Logic Pro (among other software).
Apparently the new NVIDIA 5090 is 304mm, does this mean you could theoretically run BootCamp inside Parallels & game with a 5090, while also running MacOS? 🤔
I’m not sure what you mean by run bootcamp inside parallels, but you can natively boot windows 10 and hack in windows 11. A 5090 would work in windows and Linux but not macOS. You’d need a second gpu and cabling for macOS.
Also notable is that if you’re dumping $2k on a gpu, you probably want realize the maximum performance with it and the 2019 Mac Pro is prior the radical shift in Intel designs that drastically improved single core performance and multicore.
While PCIe 3.0 is by means slow, will have some performance impact on a 5090 as it is to be PCIe 5.0.
Basically you could potentially run a 5090 but it’d be cumbersome and if don’t already own a Mac Pro 2019, spending $1500 on a good psu, motherboard, cpu, ram and NVMe would build you a computer that’d get better results than a Mac Pro 2019 would.
@ In the setup I’m imagining, you could have say 3 monitors, game with the nerfed performance of a 5090 on one, while still freeing up the other two, to run MacOS.
Since BootCamp is more natively optimized to take advantage of a GPU like the 5090, over Parallels,
you could take a Mac Pro that already has say a W6900X // 6900XT (or whatever GPU for MacOS), & in Parallels, create a new virtual machine & choose the option to use an existing BootCamp partition.
Then the only question would be if the older PCIe hardware & virtualization layer would be enough to nerf the 5090’s performance lower than a 6900. (running native on MacOS)
The 5090 is pretty powerful though, it was shown getting like 250 fps on Cyberpunk 2077 in 4K.
It could potentially brute force its way into delivering better performance than a native GPU… ???
@ Oh okay, so you're thinking of like how QEMU in linux can give direct hardware access to a GPU for virtualization. I don't think OVMF even exists on macOS let alone the rest of what's required and Parallels certainly doesn't support it.
Just got one after Christmas- with Dual W6800X's, 384 GB of RAM, and 24 cores :)
4:45 This feels super first-world problem as a mac pro 2019 owner, but I wish these were actual replacements instead of just being attached to the original stands. Was super disappointing from OWC (but i can live with more arm work.)
Its super goofy Apple went so modular on this computer but didn’t make the feet simply removable, as it’d opened up more options for esoteric setups, be it drive bags that screwed to the bottom or just wheels.
@@dmug The feet are removable, but its not easy. thats kinda my complaint is that they are but owc didnt utilize that.
You say under load your 3rd party 6900xt equiped mac pro doesn't get loud? Under load the temps fly up on my 6800XT and all the fans kick up in seconds when I'm playing a challenging AAA game in windows... The CPU rarely hits 60C and the 6800XT stays between 70 and 80, which AMD says is normal but yeah, there's a lot of fan noise. The two bottom fans are pretty nearly always at full speed when gaming unfortunately...
Ah. So my samsung 990 pro gets the same speeds as the onboard raid zero cards. I thought there was something funky but I guess that's as fast as it's going to get? I read lots of comments saying if you get a better card you can exceed the speeds of the stock raid 0 SSD's on the 2019 mac pro.
Hmm, it’ll certainly turn up when I play games, I have a 6900 Xt but it’s much quieter than friends gaming pcs and a bit less than my Mac Pro 2010. I rarely game though. I suppose this is pretty relative and what your primary use case is.
Can you overclock the xeon.
I read a windows machine with the same xeon was able to be over locked.
@@Tigerex966 You need to be able to access the bios and that's not possible on a 7,1. On windows you can overclock the GPU, and I've read there is an app that allows you to undervolt the CPU but you can't overclock it.
Insofar as I know.
@@Tigerex966 Also playing cyberpunk the bottleneck in the system is the 6800xt. The cpu is only running at about 25% and the GPU is maxed, getting around 70fps with ray tracing off and everything else on max.
The CPU as it is with modern games is enough.
@claytonberg721 thanks
Excellent!!!
cheers 🍻
#loveit
Apples fight with nvidia was complete bs for us the customer.
101% users lost. In an ideal world, Apple would still be supporting dGPUs in Apple Silicon and it'd be nVidia.
@@dmug Couldn't agree more.
Prefer your new channel name.
Thanks, "Definitive Mac Upgrade Guide" was not really the name I ever wanted but when I started the youtube channel, I literally was just making media to accompany my blog posts.
A few people suggested dmg as for mac nerds, dmgs are a fact of life, and it could stand for "definitive mac guide" but I'll probably just roll with the initials and say it stands for "Dangerous Marshmallow Grenade" or "Drinking More Gueze" or "Doomed Marmot Gathering"