2/2 Tracey Emin - What Do Artists Do All Day ?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2015
- First broadcast: June 2015.
Episode 18/18 Best known as the bad girl of the YBA generation, Tracey Emin is now one of the most successful artists working anywhere in the world. This film follows Emin at work in her studio as she prepares for an exhibition in Vienna, where her work is displayed alongside that of Egon Schiele, her artistic hero. In recent years Emin has shifted focus to more figurative work, creating paintings and sculptures that continue to explore her most intimate concerns. She speaks candidly about a life devoted to making art, as well as her ambitions for the future.
She is an artist whether people agree or disagree. She’s a great artist at that because she’s incredibly raw and exposes herself. She’s expressing herself through art. I think she will be most appreciated when she has passed away and that kinda pisses me off. Well done Tracy xxx
Not sure where everyone's hate is coming from. I'm an artist and have been for nearly 30 years. I struggle to make any money doing art yet continue to do it because I love it. I went to art school and I've put in my hours at the drawing table and easel...but I have no hate towards this woman. I felt nothing but joy and excitement watching this. The people who have nothing nice to say...get off the internet and make art. While you're busy saying mean things, the real artists are out getting shit done. Art is 90% hustle and 10% talent.
Whereas I am sure you are a success and add real value to the world by slinging hate online. Bravo.
Very true about the 90% hustle...the hate is coming for the 10% though. Bottom line is she made it and others didn't.
Well said....jealousy is an ugly thing.
Vandart Gallery because she can’t draw at all, and she’s a terrible artist
Vandart Gallery unfortunately for Tracey she has no hustle or talent. lmao
i feel like a lot of people react negatively to what she does because of how openly and unabashedly she relies on her art as a coping mechanism , lmao
a significant part of her art is the fact that shes vulnerable through it in ways that a lot of people arent capable of conveying
art therapy at the insane asylum..got it.
Tracey Emin, Thank you so much. I absolutely love your honest, raw sensitivity and that you share your vulnerability with your audience. Your generosity in this sharing empowers both women and other artists. It's reassuring to know that great artists such as yourself face that same fear in facing the blank canvas. I've loved your work right from the start and love you too.
Well said 👏👏👏👏❤️
“All I’d have in my studio is a ball of sellotape and a pack of Marlboro Lights” - pretty much sums up modern art in one sentence.
Art is meant to provoke opinion and comment - for or against. Agreed there may be painters out there who produce beautiful works with tons of talent but do not divide and get people talking about them, and create drama . She does this in spades .
Her work invites strong opinion and therefore it is worthy . I think people miss this point .
There’s lots of beautiful accurate painters out there , but only one Tracey .
Bravo! Love her work and her honesty in the process.
I'm so pleased I watched this. Very interesting and have so much respect for Tracey Emin as an artist.
What a sensitive portrayal of a maturing artist... I really like what Tracey Emin is becoming in this more mature phase of her career. The vulnerability, sense of space in her new work is arresting, and where there used to be all provocation, there is now a hardbitten tenderness... really wonderful. Thank you, Tracey.
Absolutely LOVE this art and the Artist as well Thank you so much for sharing your time and talents. I really enjoyed part 1 and 2. You are a true Inspiration. Love from Mississippi
Say what you will about Tracey Emin, but she seems to be doing what she loves and has passion about it, isn't that what we want from all artists, a passion and an idea that they convey into works of art that we might not agree with, but are works of art nonetheless.
Jeffery Dahmer was "doing what [he] loves and [had] passion about it" too. That doesn't make it a good thing.
True
@@logosrising4784 A horse has two eyes. You have two eyes. Does that make you a horse? Why don't you just show us how smart you are by comparing someone who has one thing in common with Emin but, unlike Emin, murdered other human beings? Do you seriously think your post makes any sense?!
@@MicheleEngel A concept is never nonsensical based solely upon a person's inability to grasp it.
@@logosrising4784 A concept can be nonsensical based solely upon a person's inability to express it.
I’m shocked by the overwhelmingly hateful responses! These aren’t critics-they are prudish Facebook fans. While neither this artist nor Egon Schiele are my cup of tea, I appreciated the intensity of dedication it takes to be a successful artist. Wasn’t that the point of this video? If it was narrated by an art historian, he could sum up this artist’s apparent conflict-she gave up relationships and family to pursue creative aspirations. It’s a form of expressionism-maybe not abstract enough for her critics.
It's really cool to have an inside look on the process of what makes art, art. I really like Tracey's vision. It's fascinating and skillful to be able to express your thoughts and feelings on canvas. I'm trying real hard in becoming a better writer and Tracey is an inspiration.
#how I found my voice podcast brought me here
Thanks for posting this... Great to see some of her process.
Bravo Tracey Emin! I have great respect for Tracy as a thinking, conceptual artist. I don't understand or like some of her work, but I love and reach out to her other works. She pushes my boundaries and I want her to.
Successful art is mostly about marketing your story to the right crowd at the right time. You can have amazing talent but your work isn’t going anywhere unless you’re a really good bullshitter.
Very well put! So true!
cant believe so many people have so many negative things to say about her and her work! i believe the work is beautiful to behold and obviously rich with personal meaning, particularly her figurative paintings. listening to her in this video leaves me without a doubt of her intelligence and passion. really confused as to how you could take anything else away from it :/
Why are people so negative? Because she is completely rubbish at drawing. And in her case a talented 8 year old actually can produce better drawings. She is representative of what is so wrong about our society... the celebrity culture. There is something deeply dishonest about her.
I think most people work very very hard each day to earn a living and see someone like Tracey doing what they do not see as art - neither do I to be honest - and they get angry. Human emotions to be honest are very strong. This is a typical rich persons stuff, I cannot afford it, but George Michael can.....She is not real, not real at all
I actually like this. She's visually skilled and honest in her work. I find at least these painting tender and authentic.
Julian I Agreed!
I adore and admire Tracy ‘ I am so happy for her at this present time and wish her every success
I really enjoyed your video about you day as an working artist, and absolutely love your work! Thank you for sharing.
to sum up dear Tracy when her tent burnt down, an "art expert" said it was a loss to the nation, when asked to explain why? He said, "Because it was valued at a million pounds.
Great art is worth a lot of money. or is it great art because someone says it's worth a lot of money.
If her work was not signed by her would it still be of any value?
Her connection to Schiele's brilliant work is tenuous, at best.
+AJ D (Jude) Schiele's work has meaning.....substance...her work looks like she is trying to copy him at a poor level.
@alpha beta Well at least he could draw well. Not sure that she can lol
@alpha beta He's good in the sense that you can tell his personality from his self-portraits. He's an expressionist artist and has the ability to convey things.
I loved this. I love feeling like I’m not alone in this practice, in trying to be vulnerable with paint and clay. Precious interview
I find this video so thrillingly soul-soothing ....
not particularly a fan of emins work but I am a fan of listening to her speak and filter events.. so this was quite nice to see. + very interesting to see the curation process behind quite a major exhibition
Let her paint the way she wants, ugly or nice it doesn’t matter, the only matters is to be free at list the moment of creativity .
Exactly!! Many of the Bohemians only cared about the creativity, whether the art was good or bad didnt matter to them, only the act of creation was of value.
wow - people sure do have a lot of opinions about Tracy Emin's art - what kind of art do you all make? Please post so all of us can spit on it. Emin's art is not my taste, but I sure do respect her as an artist and a woman.
Well I do not need to be a bricklayer to know if a wall i crocked either!
What
im a better artist and i am only 17 years old...not being rude at all, the link down here has my paintings....i will accept your comments and reviews with respect....cuz i know this woman is in no way better that the worst artist in my art school
facebook.com/SS-ART-166402030176452/?ref=bookmarks
Ncs Sravan checked your paintings. They are very very good, but you have much too learn. You are only a good painter when you respect others. No one really knows you because you boast about yourself, and you practically in love with yourself. Try being more relaxed and respectful and people will like you.
gonna do that, thanks for the review, i do accept im immature and take your words with pleasure, i have much to learn....i respect artists when they deserve the title, not just because they make something formless and call it art.....
She sounds genuine - doesn't have to work. As a female in a world dominated by men, nothing but respect for her. Good on you Tracey.
Honda50 ‘dominated’ by men ? , its the same with music, and because generally men are better. shall we have more female artists in order to address the imbalance, in spite of the crap that they produce, such as what’s depicted in this video ?
Emin is so inspirational and controversial, I love it!
hi emily
I am absolutely riveted by listening watching & feeling you working. So inspirational so much humour & depth. Thanks Tracy Warmest regards to you & yours Marc
Thank you for this video Art Documentaries. It was so interesting to watch it. I am an starting artist (although I have been working as a filmmaker for decades now). But I just started to paint and have a little audience here on youtube, so it was truly interesting to see this lady and her process with galery etc. Thank you for this
I like her. She is very honest and her pieces are 'honest', open. I like it.
Totally love your art, Tracey. I imagine that if I was to walk into an art gallery with your work in it, in 60 years time, I would understand a modern woman of today. I love that your work is not contrived and that you show how you are. That takes guts!
What do artists do all day? What has this question got to do with Ms Emin?
I like Tracey as a person an an artist :)
I enjoy Emin's work. It has character. She has a unique style and interesting concepts - many of which I can personally relate to - and this insight into the way she works is informative. However, I'm dismayed at many of the comments (for pts 1/2 and 2/2). They're disgusting and often mysogynistic. What's wrong with people? If you don't like it, don't look. Simple, really. But please spare us from the hate.
its anger with the current art scene where a below average artist can take a minute to do a very shallow "piece" and can make a ton of money from it
+lecqz she deserves all the hate she gets. Real artists don't talk like this. People do not like phonies getting undeserved credit.
wrong. her work is bad
wrong. her work is bad
wrong. her work is bad
I’ve never got the idea behind looking up an artist just to write mean comments like you know her style why bother being mean
Beautiful. Thank you.
If you are going to comment here please even try to understand an artist's work before you judge it. Artists are the most sincere people on the planet, otherwise such certainty would be frightening, boring or just plain stupid! (Actually, I might apply these sentences throughout RUclips to most good contemporary artists)
+Vince Reilly sincere? you must have the worst sense of sincerity in the world.
+Billy Bussey and on the same note. If you look into your great grandfather's letters, there is sure to be a copy of a letter to the Daily Mail complaining that 'those Picasso and Matiesse chaps are just taking the piss!'
ha!
Can god please press the reset button already.
Art is such a game show a massive enabler of tax dogging and price rigging a big bloon of hot air, sometimes. Then other times it's a nice scene or an amazing idea. I like creativity, in general though I think art is such a unique industry that can't be quantified it's all in the eye of the beholder. Creativity also can't be quantified which is why it's so undervalued in business we always look for problems to be solved by engineering etc we never look for a new perspective. I think tracy is the real art work you can say what you like but look at the life she has created for her self.
General message to all artists out there:
Be wary of general blanket statements.
Someone said here "art is 90% hustle, 10% talent"...
Right there I have to smile. One of my dear wonderful high school art teachers used to say, " being an artist is 1% your god given talent, and 99% blood sweat and tears"...
I remember, at 15, thinking what a loaded statement that is, e.g. 'god', 'talent', the exact numbers, what would the blood be about, how similar is that to the band blood sweat and tears and so on.
General statements are problematic because they divide, polarize, over simplify and get everything off track.
Here's this artist; she pops up on my RUclips feed, I don't know her, I'm curious enough to watch and listen.
I'm still just being open to what she's all about.
But, be wary of your assumptions, be wary of the buzz around people. They may be making a big splash, but so what? Art history teaches us that time will tell, and us living artists will be dead and dust and hopefully our work will survive somewhere, in a wall or in a park or in some living persons heart.
Money, success, trends, the media, the vultures and leeches and hangers-on around the whole hype scene who want to make money on someone else, well, as I said, be wary.
The artist herself in this video is talking about how her figurative paintings are being perceived. Are they about sex? About love? What is love, what is sex etc. Fine questions for debates of course. But questions, and open discussions are really all we absolutely get from art because we don't get final judgements. There are no conclusive answers. Artists are people who are actively engaged in making pieces and series of artworks . There is no absolute legislation or law that will tell you what is good and what is crappy art. Art is a reflection of the disposition of the artist, and a reflection of the disposition of the viewer. Some viewers, simplemindedly, just want a painting to look as much as possible like a sharp photograph. Another viewer may judge a painting on how much it looks like a soft, out of focus photograph. Another artist may believe, for a time, that the whole point is to work big, be loose and use strong shapes that describe a space. Then a year later they might abandon that and do something opposite. There's no point in trying to judge everything with little assessments. Just enjoy your time on earth. Make art if that's your predilection. I'm only spending time writing this as a distraction and an avoidance of starting my next drawing. Let your work go out there in the world. Keep your mind open and again, please question yourself if you are wanting to champion one artist or condemn another. I'm going to check out this artist on the net and read some other reviews. Just for the sake of being more educated, not for getting to a point of judgement but just to feel more nourished.
I'll say one more thing; watching artists and media people scramble around and talk money and success is disconcerting to me as an artist, given the horribly dangerous times we live in. The expensively festooned galleries with their clean white walls and astronomical prices on whatever is hanging there, may well be soon under flood waters and everything ruined by mold. So think about the big things, artists. Think about the world facing destruction. It kind of puts the fancy money/ success/ hype/ fashion thing in context.
Tracey, you said that you have to be fit to be an artist?? Bull, I am a disabled artist and do very well! Not sure where you are coming from to be honest.
Yes agree.
Emin is full of shite! She’s about as fit as a bowl of jelly
I don't even think she knows what she's talking about. She just has the average middle-aged lady bod, like me, anyway haha.
I think she talks from her perspective, my fit is not your fit , your fit is not mine...just being in your personal, highest mental and physical condition :-)
She didn't mention disabilities. She is only referring to her process. Not yours
good video, think I have changed my perception of Tracy now, :) nice seeing her draw
That was great Trace. You're the one.
I love her works. She is an artist who paint from the heart not from the hands. That's why her works are meaningful.
ive come to the conclusion that the last thing i will ever do is ask an artist to talk about their work. just do it and if it's good, it's good. let it be like food and speak for itself.
Self-praise is no praise.
In Oscar Wilde's book, an artist is boring to talk to because he saves all his good stuff for the art. The book is The Picture of Dorian Gray. It is full of observations about artists.
i dont what you all are on about. she’s obviously been doing something right. she’s has her 4 floor studio, her exhibits etc. shes very real
she is amazing
I feel Tracey Emin is BAD ASS BABE! We have a lot to learn from her!
Cannot help but feel that this is an insult to Egon Schiele..
Rachel I don't think it is an insult, placing her work next to his merely emphasises the beauty and skill of his work.
He's dead; don't worry your little head about that.
To everyone.
British monochromatic artist, John Virtue, says: "You should never get comfortable with your work; if you say you like it. You're finished". Meaning, you become to0 comfortable and static/stagnant with it. This is just one of Emin's many, many problems with her work.
OK after the swan story I'm falling in love with her again, I take back the insults I made in the earlier video about her drawing skills
On our gg
Well she is a great hope for every untalented and unlucky artest who are not able to sell anything because of lack of skills
well i have found a new favorite artist!!!
Reading through the comments (pity some had to be so hateful, vulgar and vicious), there is a bit of truth in most of them, but at the end of the day Lads and Ladies, she has made it and we can all be envious, at the least. She does NOT draw well (life drawing I would give a dismal 5 out of 10 and Schiele, who put agony and ecstasy in his drawings, may have smiled) and she probably knows it. But she also knows that her name is up there in her Nyon lights, for now and for always! She has an engaging personality, whether you find her ineloquent or not, and shares her knowledge on the need for self-promotion, having a business head and keeping abreast on technology in art (part 1 of this doc) as a pre-requesite for any success for an artist today. What do you all think of the work of Marlene Dumas, another leading female artist of the 21st century?
Love it...
"TRACEY, YOU ARE VERY SEXY ARTIST!" - M.S.C.
Queen
Love the wings. Trust oneself.
"Change people's perspective of looking at something".
That's the problem with these "artists", It's never their kindergarten level of drawing/painting skills , it's people's response that is the issue here!.
And this low level effort is enforced by rich people that buy/sell their "works" as to avoid paying taxes.
Coffee Jack 👏🏽💯
How are they avoiding paying taxes? If they want to avoid taxes they can just do tax avoidance- like others do!
A true artistic genius
Iwould have bought the first one but it was hung 5 millimetres too low in the gallery!
Super cool Tracey xxxx
its interesting watching the celebrated conceptual artists of the 90's try and reconnect with traditional mediums. It's evident she is way behind in terms of her technical skill matching her ideas...
+Will H Same thing with Damien Hirst's paintings....really amatuerish
+Will H Traditional mediums? You mean paint? Or do you mean concepts?
+Dante Caruso Paint. I don't think its possible to make a value judgement on someones concept. I feel that the "modern" notion that the concept is MORE important than the finished work itself has run its course. Perhaps Emin and Hirst et al. recognize the same, hence their attempts to reconnect with paint, clay etc. I always bristled at the tag "conceptual art"....I kind of feel like all or most art is conceptual in nature and implied in practice.
It's easy to hate Emin. Then you look at Hirst's last decade...
??? I'll take Hirst over this tripe anyday... at least his stuff is smart and ironic. This woman is not very ironic at all, and quite cliche imo.
I hate hirst because he has stolen the vast majority of his ideas from others and made more money than them
So very inspiring and honest even to an old artist like myself.
Feelings
interesting enjoyed
I meant support other artists. Tracey is amazing!
Thank you, you are so cool Tracey Emin, love your work :)
Wait who is the featured artist on this video?
The Yoko Ono of art?
What a beautiful person displaying herself in front of the world. So much courage to do what she does. Does her art resonate with everyone...probably not but it obviously does with many. I am an artist of over 40 years and to be honest, if my artwork was hunted down and paid for as this artists work is...more power to you lovely lady.
I think you misunderstand the purpose of modern art. Its all about the name. There are many ways in which money can be laundered!
Tracey Emin's neon signage and tent pieces are what really makes her; vulnerability at its core, truth in its base form, merging with her aesthetic which is raw and amateurish in a good way. Her drawings and paintings are a little boring though and so is the idea to match her up with Schiele. I see the comparison, but it comes off as more an unnecessary uplifting of his work and not hers. I think if an exhibition is to compare work there really needs to be a very strong concept in the middle besides these two artists both making similar artworks. As for people saying "she sucks" that's fine but her paintings/drawings are not nearly as personal as her other work, give it a glance if you want.
Oh Yeah, That’s Relaxing Mary✍️
I want to fly to London and hug her.
"People might think they're one dimensional"
She'd be doing well if she could get even that far.
Nina Panagopoulou she talks like a typical romani scam artist
There are no typical Romani..sounds like a racist comment.
Nina Panagopoulou
www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-iq/
+Nicholas Benedict Robinson Be an art critic. Wit will get you far!
Emin has joined the Art Market Biz....as have most contemporary so called artists. She's sensitive and intelligent...but has become way too ambitious. Despite what she says, I'm happy in my garret. I have freedom and creative space without all that chatter.
And how do you recognize sincerity so brilliantly? Through your sorely missed Brian Sewell? Is that a sincere portrait of you, Mr Bussey? Tell us all what 'real' artists say. We really want to know. (Or perhaps I'm not always so sincere.)
Chill with the hating for fucks sakes. She's done nothing to hurt anyone. Fame has found her as it does with all successful artists and they are all elevated by the power of celebrity and fame. She cites David Bowie! She can't be that bad if she loves Bowie!!
Fame fucked up Picasso! He wrote a letter to Ezra Pound denouncing all his work because everything he ever did people hailed as a genius, so he never knew when he was making inferior work.
Tracey - one of my favourite artists.
I wrote a stupid comment years ago and I cannot find it, an old email reminded me of it, I take it back, I wrote the foolish comment under the influence
These misogynistic comments need to be taken down. It's fine to not like her work but it's not ok to call her her disgusting names.
How can she paint during giving an interview...
Hi Tracey, apropos art dealers vs. the art making process: Horror Endorsement from a notorious art dealer and her call for exploitation: "One has to be evil, downright evil!" quote Eva Presenhuber; We publish these embarrassing statements because we are not the only ones who have been closely following this worrying development in the art market for some time. Former director of Presenhuber gallery: “She’s the type of person who will finish your sentences for you, she won’t let you finish talking. Is there any clearer proof of hubris? Still, she feels very good about it. Eva Presenhuber is rather a special kind of person. I think the best word to describe her would be sociopath. She has been repeatedly made aware that she treats some artists (who depend on her sales activity) like shit. There's no remorse, she wouldn't even know what you were talking about!" Eva Presenhuber is the Harvey Weinstein of the art world. But male artists don't run to the police, even if a gallery owner maliciously molests them. Eva Presenhuber brutally bullied Hugo Markl. If anyone has information on where to find Hugo Markl, please let us know! Hugo Markl has disappeared, we don't know if he is still alive. The puppet master behind this extermination campaign is Ugo Rondinone. (Ex-husband of Eva Presenhuber) sic! Hugo Markl is definitely one of the most influential artists today. The works of a number of artists are directly or indirectly influenced by Markl's works. One should not look for banal copies of copyists, but for an attitude that made Markl's works irrefutably the foundation of their works of art. Markl's work is uncompromising and addresses the center of issues, and we think that getting rid of Markl's influence, consciously or subconsciously, could be extremely difficult for many artists. His work is powerfull if we like it or not. And at the same time hardly any influence is so fought and controverted (or would it be more honest to say denied) by other artists as the influence of Markl's stand on these days art. The manner in which contemporary artists are exploited can be equated with the most brutal psychological abuse of any other derogatory relationship, certainly one of the bloodiest lines of business there is. Of course, [all] carefully hidden behind the mask of the finest, most human and most sensitive of all motifs, namely art.
The Sistine Chapel is still a model of art for many who comment here ... and Kandinsky, Picasso, Rothko, Frankenthaler, Boccioni, Macke, Warhol, Khalo ... and especially Pollock are still indecipherable puzzles for many ...
*Picasso* was a child prodigy; something he was seemingly content to deconstruct throughout the rest of his life.
The other artists you list, though of varying skill, similarly sought to redefine the picture plane and/or the application of their respective media.
*Emin*, on the other hand, is to be found throughout Universities and art-educational establishments, in the poorly-conceptualized, ineffectively-executed experimentations (and unjustified self-aggrandizement) of bourgeoisie students.
She is without a distinct voice.
She is without a discernible point.
She exemplifies a lot of the wishy-washy qualities which form the basis of the damaging stereotype many people still have of artists and art in general.
Many hardworking, technically-proficient artists actively strive to disabuse the public consciousness of so unrepresentative a notion, such as her lukewarm efforts have institutionalised.
To imply a fault in the deciphering of her work is to wilfully enable and strengthen that dissonance.
I watched this in hope of gaining some insight into an artist I've long held in contempt. Instead, I find my dislike deepening.
And to pre-empt accusations of misogyny (from anyone), compare her anatomy to that of *Julie Bell*'s work; or her line-work to that of *Rachel Dodson*.
Those two examples exhibit more creativity and skill, yet are considered lesser than *Emin*, by anyone not plugged into fantasy/comicbook culture (a subset of art often not granted the same artistic legitimacy as the conventional gallery setting).
The SIstine Chapel is an insurpasable wonder. Don`t sully its name by comparing it to scam artists.
Julian Stallabrass on his work HIGHARTLITE, rev.ed.2006, analysed and de-construed the entire episode of Young British Art completed with the role of Charles Saatchi and Sensation; also looking at the work and persona built up by Tracy Emin(and D.Hirst and others who were looking for quick recognition and riches)
+Francesca Viceconti thanks for the info, Francesca; I'll order the book.
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No way she fell in love with such a young guy
You do know she was talking about a character in a book, right?
Amazing ! Love her x
The Empresses new clothes - who is she kidding?
Does anyone think that a art gallery for homeless people so people can donate art and design and funds could be used to buy houses I've been volunteering at a homeless charity for three years and we have not been able to buy a property people l meet just need a home many are working on low wages is this a good idea
l spoke with a rising inflection for a few hours just to see how it felt, but got worn out, people thought l was thick.
What does Tracey Emin know about being an artist?
She has made some of the greatest art works in history? likely knows a lot more about art and art history than you ever will.
I !over watching this, she is better & I love seeing this side of an artist. I'm a fan of both artist.
why must the drawings rest in a dark room for 5 years? shes using acidic paper?
That was a mention of Egon Schiele's pieces being in a delicate state. The curator apparently felt they needed to be in dark to preserve them as long as possible.
Her early works were much better and innovative. When she emerged as a legendary YBA artist..
COOL
Idk how much I like her “art” but she knows how to put together a pretty nice exhibition she displays it in a way that it maybe really does look like art even though her finished works actually look like figure gestures
long lost sister of the scrote brothers. hilarious