What If Russia Was Carved Up After the Crimea War?
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Scenario Idea: What if Genoa didnt sell Corsica to France and Napoleon became an Italian General?
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Hmmmm
There would not be any napoleonic wars Since he was not bullied for his Corsican accent and the situation was not that worse than feudal france. If he had moved to Genoa things might turn more differently.
He would have sold his services either to France or to Russia anyway (which he had planned IOT just before the outbreak of the revolution).
Rather than larping as the new charlemagne, napoleon larps as a new Auralian and renconquers the roman empire.
When the time traveler drinks water:
Fr
When the time traveller drinks vodka:
fr
@@gengarzilla1685 When the time traveler eats Giant Pretzel
Waking up hung over after going into my parents room talking of a holy war in heaven I felt this sooooo fucken hard😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
1:51 The world is not ready for two Frances. Although French cuisine with slavic influence would be quite interesting.
its acceret the fact of two frances as poland would be a Frence becuse it would be a "independent" state
ah yes, snail soup, my favourite
Well now everyone is happy in France one France for a napoleonic dictatorship and then a monarchist france
France is so nice that now so we have it twice
the real terrifying part is that the new france might have the protection of the old france. we cannot allow the frances to unite!
time traveler: moves chair
the timeline:
HOI4 modders: “WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!”
The Swedish King and nobles wanted in to take Finland but parliament didn't. It's not so black and white like you said. The loss of Finland is still a blow to the Swedish at this point since Finland was seen as part of Sweden proper and not a colony.
I think that france allying Austria would make more sense if Napoleon III is stil in charge since he would still want the prestige and want the Rhineland and the Italian borderlands
In a scenario with an alliance between austria and france, Bismarck wouldn't have been as aggressive. Austria cant attack Prussia in this case, the Prussians have been allies of Britain for a long time and would be able to secure Russian support as well, that's not a risk the pretty shaky austrians could take.
France would get into a napoleonic wars situation in case of an attack on prussia, Napoleon III was certainly not capable of winning this, as France was neither the behemoth in terms of population advantage it had been 60 years earlier, nor was it particularly advanced in military technology or in industrial capacity. An attack on prussia would have turned the southern german states towards prussia just like we've seen in our timeline aswell.
@@NeverEverCleverI think In this timeline Russia could demand Austria give up all of besserabia, to prevent a 3 front war
In this scenario, I think Russia would invade Sweden and the ottomans
Or would demand Sweden give up Finland and let’s be real they’d accept
@@NeverEverClever Russia in this timeline dislikes Britain even more any war that may happen Russia and Britain they aren't going to be on the same side
Suggestion: What if the Swedish-Polish-Lithuanian personal union never fell
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just a disguise for another ehat if everything went perfect for poland
best scenario
no, Sweden@@saccorhytus
@@saccorhytus I was just thinking the Swedish military strategist and the polish calvary combined would be unstoppable.
What if my vision for Norway happened?
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
No you dane
Norway actually arguably is in their perfect scenario right now if we're staying even somewhat realistic.
@@plasmakitten4261 NO their perfect would be apart of sweden
@@felexl32the perfect would have be that THEM own Sweden
Swedish nationalist found
yeah I mean if you want to prevent the Russian Empire, it's way too late for that by this point. You gotta like, prevent Peter the Great from ever taking the throne so Sweden wins, or at least doesn't lose, the Great Northern War, or some such scenario as that, where Russia can be fatally weakened earlier in the timeline.
Actually you would just have to make sweden not overextend and PLC not die to nobles. The problem with that is that you end up with a big sweden possibly kinda scandinavia and PLC which basically replaces russia on that part. Except they have a somewhat threatening threat to the east.
This channel is helping me learn more while at the same time having fun watching historical videos. Keep it all dude.
The existence of so many more Romanians in Austria could alternatively lead to a weakened Hungary, with the Romanian minority in Hungary opposing Hungarian autonomy, strengthening the Croat minority in Hungary too, leading ultimately to a more equal federalisation of the Austrian empire. Without the Italian economic base, the nobles of Austria would be more inclined to fight Hungarian super-autonomy too.
Can't envisage a world where Austria is on the UK/French side, wins, & then concedes its Italian wealth & hegemony for guaranteed future conflict with the Ottoman & Russia with less defensible borders & a poorer economic base.
Ah yes. Balance of power for britain😂😂😂😂😂
The Crimean War easily has to be one of the most impactful minor wars in history, there’s so much that came out of and could have come out of it
funnily enough it's also a 3.5 great powers war (im not giving ottomans more than 0.5 great power points)
Idea:
What if the union of the PLC and Sweden somehow survived?
Great video, just maybe an oversight at 5:45 your "Next 10 planned videos" the 1st and 2nd ones are the last crimean video and this one
Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly For Napoléon III
Hmmm
Literally a dream timeline
What if everything went PERFECT for egypt next?
Now THAT would be a cool alternative history, where to start though?
@@ddesmarais7251let's hope not modern egypt
that would cause massacre
Perfection
You mean Muhammad alis egypt right?
@@zaidb9468u mean the egypt who betrayed ottoman empire during napoleonic wars after they went high for defeating napoleon?
i just love your channel
these videos are so entertaining i love it
I really don’t see why the Austrians wouldn’t take Silesia if they beat the Prussians?
This would cause greater revanchism from Prussia and likely a war decades later.
Keep up the good and exiting work!
The most important question, who was the better prime minister? Pitt the elder, or Lord Palmerston?
AltHist idea: what if the Spanish right didn't win the Spanish Civil War?
I see two possible scenarios that are not too unrealistic:
a) Anarchists and communists cooperate with the socialis/democratic governement, managing to defeat the militar sublevation
b) the CNT-PSOE split still happens, but France and the UK send volunteers to the republican governement, stalling the war until it merges with WW2
In case of a total french and austrian win in the second scenario, Austria would probably push to recover Silesia
Sweden still keeping Finland is a Canon Event
Bismarck would never simply hand Baltic territories for Russian neutrality since that is a terrible blackmail scenario for Prussia that Russia could use later to gain more territories (e.g., East Prussia and areas around Koenigsberg) just to maintain Russian neutrality in future conflicts. It would also jeopardize his position as chancellor if he didn’t get something similar in return besides short term neutrality. If it were how you speculated, then what guarantee does Prussia get if Prussia has a harder time unifying Germany than OTL? Russia stands to turn Prussia into a protectorate, and there is no Bismarck in that scenario. Rather, Bismarck would offer the Russians an exchange of territory at a minimum for prestige sakes. For example, the Baltic territories for Polish territory in western part of Congress Poland that also borders Austria and gives Prussia more advantage in a conflict with Austria. More likely, not all Baltic territories would be offered, especially Lithuania and Courland, but maybe up to Riga, which would’ve been a nice deal for Russia at this time. In this scenario, Bismarck maintains leverage over Russia and has the ability to provide non-German speaking territories for future bargains with Russia that make sense. This is how a great power buys neutrality in the late 1800s, not by offering ones territory without compensation in kind, which implies one is no longer a great power, but a lesser power, like Sardinia, that can be highly influenced or directly controlled.
Barney Gumble is a fan of this timeline.
What if the 1866 Austro-Prussian War happened during the 1853-1856 Crimean War?
Prussia would have been crushed because it had not yet implemented the crucial military reforms of Moltke and Von Roon (1859-1866 IOT)
@@fireandblood8142 Is it certain that Prussia would've been crushed or was stalemate possible? I think a certain advantage for Prussia in that time period would've been that the other major European powers could've not come to Austria's aid because of their involvement in the Crimean War. What were some of the main weaknesses of the Prussian military compared to Austrian military before the reforms you mentioned?
@@hendriktonisson2915 Yeah, absolutely. The Prussian army had fundamentally not changed since 1815, both in terms of command structures and numerical size. It numbered 150 000 men, half of which were reserve units from the Landwher, which was just crap militia. On the other hand, Austria had a standing army of 300 000 battle-hardened veterans who had just fought in the recent civil wars of 1848, and an additional 100 000 reservists could be mobilized, boosting the Austrian army to a theoretical huge strength of 400 000 men, only France and Russia had as many or more soldiers. Furthermore, the Prussians had not yet generalized the needle gun (breechloading rifle) which gave it its technological superiority in 1866 IOT. During the times of the Crimean War, they were still using muzzleloading rifles which were not even the best of their time (France had the best muzzleloading rifles, the Minié, which was quickly copied by practically all European nations, notably Austria with its Lorenz version released in 1857). Finally, no one had yet experimented the use of railways to mobilize troops, the first nation to do so was France during the 2nd Italian War of Independance in 1859, so Prussia would not benefit from its IOT advantage in mobilization which allowed it to overwhelm the Austrian defense on the border and ultimately crush it at Koniggratz.
@@fireandblood8142 I see. Thanks for the info!
5:37 too I doubt some germans in the province of Bozen would wish to join Italy
Lets goooooooo new possible history vid
Scenario Idea: What if the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania survived and become a great power?
P.S: I am a fan of Lord Palmerston for many things. But this is not one of them. And that goes for two certain wars against the Great Qing as well.
Probably it would be just russia but a lot more west focused
@@benismann Well, I can see the Commonwealth developed good relations with France here.
@@lerneanlion and russia totally didnt join entente because of france being their ally. Totally didnt ally napaleon bacc in the day...
@@benismann Also, maybe the Crimean War might not even happen. Well, not in the way it did in our world. The purpose of the Allies here is to unify Circassia under one banner and then use it as something to distract Russia, most likely to launch raids against Russia. However, the Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire will definitely be competing with one another over Circassia for influence with France supported the former while Britain supported the latter. With the divided Circassia but with heavy foreign influences from Western Europe and the Balkans, Russia wouldn't dare come into Circassia. At least for a while. And maybe, the Tsar can go focused on something else like supporting the Union in the American Civil War and reforming his own country or even form the formal relations with Ethiopia.
@@lerneanlionwell if crimean war doesnt happen then whoever plays russia isnt given an incentive to modernize...
10:18 what is the music here
I would like to make one point:
A russian conquest of crimea, while possible, because it happened, it's really difficult. The terrain in the land bridge with Ukraine is a swamp with only a few possible safe crossings, which makes the invading army vulnerable. This is in part the reason of the late conquest of crimea by russia, which they fought various wars with the ottomans for. So, if the german unification lasts the same as in OTL, there's no way russia could conquer the ottoman territory that easily.
It's literally overseas colony for Turks, wtf are you on about
@@Szpareq the supply by the sea is much more reliable than supply by three small road through the swaps.
Palmerston: finally, peace in our time.
Russia: *The Great Trial Begins!*
Could you do a video of what if everything went perfect for Austria.
Clearly Sweden, breaking its neutrality is the most crazy thing in this peace deal 😔
My guy what happened to the empires series it seemed like it ended after early modern
I Wonder, why is it that italy always seems to get south tyrol? Even in this scenario, you grant it to them, and i don't see why they would take it, especially when not taking north Tyrol.
This is the average experience of having the british make borders.
Video idea: What if Operation Valkyrie succeeded?
what if the treaty of san stefano was accomplished?
9:22 I doubt Prussia would have let so happen since they would have been part for the unification I feel like Austria would have keept it in exchange for more lands for Italy
also, I think more minorities in Austria would revolt
@@patrikmodrovsky1842 Good point in the video it happens in a scenario btw Prussia selling it's brothers seems stupid
@@AshleyGravesreal the video literally explains why.
@@benismann It just dosen't make that much sense still
nobody makes better "possible history" than you
What if Russia had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
Human fertility counts drop to zero and humanity goes extinct
Video idee what if kaiser karl Habsburg had created peace in 1916
what if some if not all videos gained a part two first time asking
what if the british empire fell into civilwar
I’m not certain Prussia would simply give up the Baltics, on the contrary it may reinforce the idea that Prussia is primarily destined to colonize the East, rather than to unite Germany. The Prussians could still try to increase their influence on Northern Germany but their actual future expansion would be towards the East. As we know that’s an idea that Germans kept for a long time, so that’s not unrealistic.
Honestly though if the Brits and French just bluffed support for Austria I don't think Prussia would have even tried for a quick unification. Austria would have really needed to drop the ball if britian even half attempted to maintain the balance. The only breakthrough chance is if Prussia, Russia, and Italy created a coalition and kept Bavaria neutral
Do u think u going to ever get back finishing every empires series?
And this is why Lord Palmerston is Englands greates Prime Minister and not Pitt the Elder.
Are you? Beo
Why? Because he sided with the Muslims who are taking over your little island now? You are cursed!
we need a scenario about that independent kingdom of france in poland now would it make a union with nearby states for power? maybe a french-lituanian commonwealth
"And I say, England’s greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston!"
what if everything went perfect for ireland? 🤔
Wow, somebody who actually likes France so much that he wants to have two of them.
My based scenario for decisive victory over the war.
Ottomans got their lands back from Russia, integrates Romanian and Crimean and Circissian vassals so controls %100 of the black sea. Swedish Empire shines again in North. Prussia get some lands in Belarus.
No, give the ottomans… all of Central Asia and all of Siberia to Mongolia except the USA gets reverse Alaska for symmetry obviously. Then force Russia to turn into and equal polish-Muscovy union and give Crimea to Lichtenstein to compensate them for not willingly not buying Alaska
Do a what if history went perfect for Argentina
Dsy 2 of asking for modernised ottoman empire
Without watching the video let me say this:
World peace.
An important facet not discussed in either video was the sale of Russian America after the war. Eventually the Russians would have discovered the gold there and an interesting colonial conflict could have occurred again between Great Britain and Russia.
assuming russia would hold an undefendable barren wasteland that directly borders great britain (the greatest naval power of the time)
I just started the video but what i can already say is that only a british couldn have come up with such a peace deal thinking the other powers would agree, especially Austria abandoning Lombardy which was one of the most industrial region they had.
Yeah just like the video said
5:36 Why is Missouri shown as part of the Confederacy? Missouri never formally joined the CSA, and instead merely had a confederate exile government, with Kentucky having this as well
what if the nefew of stadholder and King of Scotland England Ierland and husband of Maria 2 Willem 3 3
son of his sister inherited the Nederlands position of stadholder king Frederic of Prussia
Idea: make 2 countries (or micronations) fight over the North Pole or the South Pole
Idea for a future scenario: what if the Roman republic of 1849 unified italy?
I was about to make a joke on a Franco-French war but I realized it was basically the 100 years war already.
we need a viewers peace deal for this
Please make a what if Austria stayed on Russia's side!🤝🏻(Their oldest ally)
8:28 ?? anchor? idk
Scenario idea: What if the world would end in a disaster scenario in a year. You go wherever you like with the prompt correct? All out chaos, Eternal peace, World war 3. Whatever.
No matter what, Sweden retains Finland! Nordics stronk!
That aside what would have been interesting to see explored would have been a Swedish intervention to defend Denmark from Prussia in this scenario. Historically the lack of help signed the death warrant of the Scandinavian Unity movement which was decently strong prior to the war
Video Idea:
What if everything went PERFECT for Sweden?
Sweden is not OP, basically.
Another day of asking "What if history went perfect for Philippines"
Wouldn't the Ottomons gain major territory in a carve up of Russia as it was mainly the French and British naval campaign with Ottomon troops to prevent Russia from gaining a foothold in the Black Sea and eventually the Mediterranean?
Sure French and Geneo (Italy?) along with the UK did land some troops in Ukraine but it was mainly an Ottomon land campaign since Crimea was a Tartar territory that in turn was a vassal state to the Ottomon Empire. It didn't become Russian until around the World War 2 era where Stalin made Crimea "Russian" by expelling the Tartars.
Scenario Idea: What if Ottomans managed to modernize ?
What if everything went perfect for the axis?
Palmerston is your average Possibel History viewer 💀
Yet another banger
I don't think splitting Russia was possible at this point they were pretty set in the balance of power like the austrians
Can you make What if Everything went PERFECT For Serbia
France under French protection!?!?!!?!? NO WAY!
When will we get history 2
Lore of What If Russia Was Carved Up After the Crimea War? Momentum 100
Couldn't help but notice that in the American civil war Missouri is a CSA state and not Union
So basically what I do in my Victoria 2 games ?
Can you make what if France won the Franco-Prussian War?
I need a what if everyting went perfect for the ottomans how would europe look like if the turks were actually relevant in european politics after the 17th century
Video idea:
What if everything went perfect for the axis in ww2
Day 3 of asking what happened to the gaming channel
Barney Gumble was wrong, I can’t believe it.
I would love to play Europa Universialis 4 with you 😂
What is the song at 10 minutes?
Wouldn't Austria and Prussia all want a piece of Poland for themselves?
9:04 Romania basically became Singapore
Idea wha if ottoman Empire caught Up endustrial evolution and modernized?
1:51 HoI4 Moment in a nutshell
What if an independent French Kingdom was created in Poland?
5:56 Missouri wasn’t fully in the CSA, there was a splinter government yes but it was like Maryland, later the western Virginia counties, and other border slave states in that they were still in the union
If this was in the star you should learn civil war history some more lol
The Video wasn't about the Civil war.
@@justaplayer94there was a section about it briefly with a map
What if queen Victoria and tsar Alexander ii got married