Videos like this thoroughly refute the absurd idea that a conductor is just some guy waving his arms. Even in old age, Böhm demonstrates that a conductor's work in rehearsal can have a huge effect on the quality of a performance.
Has everyone seen that 1 hr. video of him and the Vienna Philharmonic rehearsing Strauss Ein Heldenleben? He stops them 400 times. Sometimes they play 2 notes and he stops. He hears every fucking note from every player. And this, mind you, with a virtuoso orchestra, with the works of Richard Strauss running through their veins.
I think for orchestral difficulty, Elektra is tied with Die Frau ohne Schatten. At least Elektra is over after 100 minutes. FroSch, uncut, takes up the better part of three and a half hours.
You know what I learned reading some of the comments, we all have a past and many talk about other peoples past, be careful that know one bring up yours.
@@chrish12345 It is a term of endearment, not really meant as 'kids' or 'children' in the literal sense of the word, but more like 'you guys' or 'my dears'.
Well, sorry Sherlock, I hate to say this but try to be 87 years old yourself and tell the Vienna Phil how to count and how to articulate - provided they respect you because you were an intimate friend of Richard Strauss!...(sigh) 🙄
Böhm's beat was always difficult to follow, even as a young man. Had nothing to do with his age. He modeled his baton technique on that of Richard Strauss: small, undemonstrative beats merely to keep the players together.
Impressive! I guess this rehearsal was only a few months before his death. Though over 80 years old Böhm was still able to play his role as a severe conductor that simply pays tribute to the score.
This is most likely the 1981 recording he did with the Vienna Philharmonic for the Unitel film production. The rehearsals weren't meant for a live performance, but for the recording of the "soundtrack" to the film.
@chrish12345 I'm not sure what you're getting at, but especially here the parts require the players to subdivide va. 16ths, and with his conducting I see only ictus--no takt, so I hear the music wanting to bog/slow down--especially because the density is so thick in the lower voicings. Anyway, great clip and very fun to watch. Nice post!
I think the problem is that the microphone for the film soundtrack is focused on what Böhm is telling them. The orchestra sound is muddy, as there is no decent mix combining him and the orchestra.
Karl Böhm gleicht fast dem Genie R.Strauss. Beide sind markig vom Stamm d. Bayern. Der Grazer Böhm war Freund des Münchners R.Strauss. Er brachte einige seiner Opern in den 30/40ern zur Uraufführung.
In any case, it's Dr. Maestro who knew the essence of everything, perhaps so much that Furtwängler couldn't get in. It's also better than Furtwängler in terms of ability. Furtwängler is nothing more than a foolish messenger who is devoted to the role of the Nazis as a spiritual and cultural symbol of Germany, which was awarded the title of imperial conductor by the Nazis. Because it was only a rhetorical wording for. On the other hand, Dr. always had a strong and open stance in conducting his own performance.
+Christoph Spengler Unsympath ist übertrieben. Im Alter wird man etwas ungnädig ;-) Um ehrlich zu sein: Böhm war in jüngeren Jahren viel ungenießbarer!
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Das entstandene Video ist eine der schönsten Aufnahmen ever. Elektra mit Böhm, Rysanek, Varnay ... ist ein Notenrausch.
Das Ergebnis ist erstaunlich! Schließlich war Böhm bereits schwer krank, und starb zwei Monate nach der Aufzeichnung.
@ ja, ist großartig.
I was fortunate to experience Strauss, Wagner and Mozart with Böhm in Europe. He was a great conductor.
Videos like this thoroughly refute the absurd idea that a conductor is just some guy waving his arms. Even in old age, Böhm demonstrates that a conductor's work in rehearsal can have a huge effect on the quality of a performance.
Has everyone seen that 1 hr. video of him and the Vienna Philharmonic rehearsing Strauss Ein Heldenleben? He stops them 400 times. Sometimes they play 2 notes and he stops. He hears every fucking note from every player. And this, mind you, with a virtuoso orchestra, with the works of Richard Strauss running through their veins.
Böhm was Strauss' friend though. So I think it is quite justified. But I can't find the Heldenleben rehearsal video, can you give me the link?
@@neil7137 Urban refers himself to Don Juan's rerhearsal.
Un genio! El resultado de tanto ensayo es una de las mejores versiones de Elektra.
I've recently bought this double album; the rehearsal DVD is worth the purchase price alone. Truly fascinating - warmly recommended to any opera buff.
The way he said "Orest ist tod" - too dramatic for words!
Elektra is the hardest Strauss opera to play for an orchestra and this shows why.
I think for orchestral difficulty, Elektra is tied with Die Frau ohne Schatten. At least Elektra is over after 100 minutes. FroSch, uncut, takes up the better part of three and a half hours.
3:45 "Ich kann net deutlicher schlagen!" ...continues to waggle his baton anywhichway, just as before. :-)
Er hat eine sehr deutlichen Schlag, wenn man ihn kennt.
He's conducting quite clearly, if you know the tones!
to be fair they do respond to his minutest gestures, no need to do more...
You know what I learned reading some of the comments, we all have a past and many talk about other peoples past, be careful that know one bring up yours.
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Also, does he call the orchestra "kinder" right at the beginning?
@silverbud why not, that's what it means
@@chrish12345 It is a term of endearment, not really meant as 'kids' or 'children' in the literal sense of the word, but more like 'you guys' or 'my dears'.
This is the problem with old conductors- they get really difficult to follow, but they don't have any problem telling you it's wrong.
Well, sorry Sherlock, I hate to say this but try to be 87 years old yourself and tell the Vienna Phil how to count and how to articulate - provided they respect you because you were an intimate friend of Richard Strauss!...(sigh) 🙄
Böhm's beat was always difficult to follow, even as a young man. Had nothing to do with his age. He modeled his baton technique on that of Richard Strauss: small, undemonstrative beats merely to keep the players together.
That's the problem with ignorant posts😅
Fantastico
Böhm is very impressive!
At the beginning, was she transposing down to avoid straining her voice, was there some other reason?
As an 87 year old man still at podium, can everyone of us do that?
I didn't expect him to have such a strong Viennese accent. And he really bitches a lot but seems to know the score like the back of his hand
More of a half Styrian-half Viennese accent.
Impressive! I guess this rehearsal was only a few months before his death. Though over 80 years old Böhm was still able to play his role as a severe conductor that simply pays tribute to the score.
He passed away only two months after completion of this Elektra recording/filming.
Shortly before he died(1981.7/14)?
"Please in strict tempo, all as before"....
LOL
Does anybody know which orchestra/where this took place?
With the Vienna Philharmonic, recorded in the Sofiensaal, Vienna. The Sofiensaal, sadly, no longer exists, the victim of a fire.
@@wadericejr2788 It jas been re-built. vimeo.com/114116743
This is most likely the 1981 recording he did with the Vienna Philharmonic for the Unitel film production. The rehearsals weren't meant for a live performance, but for the recording of the "soundtrack" to the film.
Böhm died on August of 1981.
You'r right. At that time, Böhm was unfortunately unable to conduct on stage a complete opera.
@chrish12345 I'm not sure what you're getting at, but especially here the parts require the players to subdivide va. 16ths, and with his conducting I see only ictus--no takt, so I hear the music wanting to bog/slow down--especially because the density is so thick in the lower voicings. Anyway, great clip and very fun to watch. Nice post!
I think the problem is that the microphone for the film soundtrack is focused on what Böhm is telling them. The orchestra sound is muddy, as there is no decent mix combining him and the orchestra.
he was like this !
yes
0:46
1.22 still amazes me that so often professional orchestra members don't know how to read music (let alone choirs)
Karl Böhm gleicht fast dem Genie R.Strauss. Beide sind markig vom Stamm d. Bayern. Der Grazer Böhm war Freund des Münchners R.Strauss. Er brachte einige seiner Opern in den 30/40ern zur Uraufführung.
@pointreyes6 Nope. Age.
In any case, it's Dr. Maestro who knew the essence of everything, perhaps so much that Furtwängler couldn't get in. It's also better than Furtwängler in terms of ability. Furtwängler is nothing more than a foolish messenger who is devoted to the role of the Nazis as a spiritual and cultural symbol of Germany, which was awarded the title of imperial conductor by the Nazis. Because it was only a rhetorical wording for. On the other hand, Dr. always had a strong and open stance in conducting his own performance.
フルトヴェングラーについてそこまで言い切れるのか？私にはわかりません。
しかし、
フルトヴェングラーとベームの異なり、
そして、ベームが、モーツァルト、ベートーヴェン、リヒャルト・シュトラウス……音楽の本質を私達にどれほど開示してくださったか！
音楽への向かい方についてのコメントに共感します
Was für ein Unsympath - leider.
+Christoph Spengler
Unsympath ist übertrieben. Im Alter wird man etwas ungnädig ;-) Um ehrlich zu sein: Böhm war in jüngeren Jahren viel ungenießbarer!
The Conductor of Hitler.He, he...
+medievalmusiclover
A harsh verdict! Böhm was no Nazi. He was a "Mitläufer".
Bohm war ein Nazi. He took the post of Fritz Busch who was not loved by the regime.
@@andreaguarino4121 He was a Karrierist. And a great conductor.