For as much grief and worry this IMS bearing causes, it seems crazy to live without fixing it for a $1,000 It's a Porsche, it's expensive and an engine rebuild will be x10+
Too bad, it's difficult to pick up on the audio but it seems there wasn't time to get into neutral and switch off before the damage was done? I have a low miles 2004 3.2S which just gets used in the summer. I decided to get the IMS bearing replaced with the EPS American replacement. £1200 all in and worth it for peace of mind.
@@wholeNwon RMS was replaced at a service courtesy of Porsche when they identified a small oil leak. I was told I would have to pay 30% but in the event they picked up the tab.
My 99 3.2S has a twin row IMS bearing, much lower failure rate than the later single row units installed from mid 2000 on. But every time my car goes in to Porsche for a service I get them to cut open the oil filter and check for metal debris from the IMS, or plastic from the chain guides
You’re far more likely to get stretched timing chains with a double race bearing. The result of the failure is very similar to the single race IMS bearing failure, because both result in the timing chains flying about loose. The main difference is the IMS Bearing is a lot easier and cheaper to replace than the stretched chains. The difference between an extended clutch change and an engine out strip and rebuild from a labour cost point of view. Timing chains should be replaced every 80k miles on dual race bearing engines.
its 986 from 2001 yes, I had the engine rebuild, plus I had to buy another engine block, as mine has been shattered and unrepairable. The final cost was bigger than the car itself. Now I'm thinking that maybe it would have more sense to buy another working, used engine and do just an IMS upgrade. Changing the bearing itself is not a difficult job, can be done in one day. Just stripping the gearbox, clutch and flywheel, its quite easy, recently I changed flywheel myself on my parking having simple tools so I know what I'm talking about. Once you change the bearing you sleep as a baby again :)
Mileage is not always a contributing factor with IMS failure. In fact, LN engineering claims more "garage queens" suffer from IMS than daily driver. This claim has been backed by many of the highly respected Porsche shops like Flat 6 Innovations and Callas Rennsport.
The settlement gave owners with failures within a certain timeframe compensation but admitted no design error. There have been lots of cars just fine with over 100,000 miles. Mine is a '01 with 60K and is running quiet and tight. I read that total failures were around 5%. A design error would have had larger effect. My personal belief is it was a bad lot of bearings -- sealed bearing are used in lots of places without trouble.
Taiwan Taipei Porsche never loses....they should have recalled every single car and replaced the engine or replaced the mad bearing with one such as the L&N bearing....you only got something if you actually suffered losses, so if your car did not, you got nothing....some models outside of the class action law suit are just as likely to have the IMS failure, but were left out of the lawsuit. You cannot delineate which bearing you have, most were bad, just by the year of the car, as during changeovers, they would sometimes use up engines from the previous years....mid 2006 model year, I believe went from the 280HP on the S to the 295 HP Variocam engine...fix the problem??? No, both still vulnerable and both outside the lawsuit (up to 2005 cars)...
Anton Zuykov this is what i read also but my mechanics pretends he can hear it when its almost done by lifting the car up with engine idling and putting a stetoscope under the transmission housing and engine joint... but thats what he sais..
any porsche owner's worse night mare!!!!!!!! oh my god i feel so bad for this dude. well i made sure this would not happen to me i did buy a 2000 boxster 2.7 with 95k on it ran perfect just like this car! but i did what my gut was tellin me to do! i got new IMS new clutch new flywheel plugs oil tubes coil packs 2 timing chain tensioners waterpump themostat AOS altenator serpanteen belt breaks front an rear tires oil change battery cuz im takin my car to florida from michigan and this is not gonna happen to me!! i feel so bad for this guy HOWEVER!!! common dude doin the ims should have been the first thing ya did... if nothing else!!.
greg h it's not the motor that fails. The bearing fails and shatters into pieces that get into the inside of the engine. Know your stuff before posting.
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For as much grief and worry this IMS bearing causes, it seems crazy to live without fixing it for a $1,000
It's a Porsche, it's expensive and an engine rebuild will be x10+
Too bad, it's difficult to pick up on the audio but it seems there wasn't time to get into neutral and switch off before the damage was done?
I have a low miles 2004 3.2S which just gets used in the summer.
I decided to get the IMS bearing replaced with the EPS American replacement.
£1200 all in and worth it for peace of mind.
And the RMS replaced, too? I would assume everyone does.
@@wholeNwon RMS was replaced at a service courtesy of Porsche when they identified a small oil leak. I was told I would have to pay 30% but in the event they picked up the tab.
@@mrradman2986 How generous of them.
Hard to believe Porsche could make such a brutal failure point
And cylinder scoring. German build quality is sh...
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My 99 3.2S has a twin row IMS bearing, much lower failure rate than the later single row units installed from mid 2000 on. But every time my car goes in to Porsche for a service I get them to cut open the oil filter and check for metal debris from the IMS, or plastic from the chain guides
You’re far more likely to get stretched timing chains with a double race bearing. The result of the failure is very similar to the single race IMS bearing failure, because both result in the timing chains flying about loose. The main difference is the IMS Bearing is a lot easier and cheaper to replace than the stretched chains. The difference between an extended clutch change and an engine out strip and rebuild from a labour cost point of view. Timing chains should be replaced every 80k miles on dual race bearing engines.
its 986 from 2001
yes, I had the engine rebuild, plus I had to buy another engine block, as mine has been shattered and unrepairable.
The final cost was bigger than the car itself.
Now I'm thinking that maybe it would have more sense to buy another working, used engine and do just an IMS upgrade.
Changing the bearing itself is not a difficult job, can be done in one day. Just stripping the gearbox, clutch and flywheel, its quite easy, recently I changed flywheel myself on my parking having simple tools so I know what I'm talking about.
Once you change the bearing you sleep as a baby again :)
What the mileage was?
Mileage is not always a contributing factor with IMS failure. In fact, LN engineering claims more "garage queens" suffer from IMS than daily driver. This claim has been backed by many of the highly respected Porsche shops like Flat 6 Innovations and Callas Rennsport.
The settlement gave owners with failures within a certain timeframe compensation but admitted no design error. There have been lots of cars just fine with over 100,000 miles. Mine is a '01 with 60K and is running quiet and tight. I read that total failures were around 5%. A design error would have had larger effect. My personal belief is it was a bad lot of bearings -- sealed bearing are used in lots of places without trouble.
Not necessarily at all. Good luck to you.
I heard. American sued Porsche for this failure and won.
Taiwan Taipei Porsche never loses....they should have recalled every single car and replaced the engine or replaced the mad bearing with one such as the L&N bearing....you only got something if you actually suffered losses, so if your car did not, you got nothing....some models outside of the class action law suit are just as likely to have the IMS failure, but were left out of the lawsuit. You cannot delineate which bearing you have, most were bad, just by the year of the car, as during changeovers, they would sometimes use up engines from the previous years....mid 2006 model year, I believe went from the 280HP on the S to the 295 HP Variocam engine...fix the problem??? No, both still vulnerable and both outside the lawsuit (up to 2005 cars)...
@@MoveoverAndbark plain wrong, nothing wrong with the bearing. IMS failure is a secondary failure. The result of a process
ims bearing failure is well documented and there are signs of it coming!! don't cheap out the maintenance of a Porsche!!!!
lucoche no signs. that is well documented as well
Anton Zuykov this is what i read also but my mechanics pretends he can hear it when its almost done by lifting the car up with engine idling and putting a stetoscope under the transmission housing and engine joint... but thats what he sais..
It’s not easy to document, symptoms only start to appear just before it happens, so unless you check it daily theres no way of knowing
is this a 986 or a 996?
Doesn't matter both suffer from the same problems.
@@Desertduleler_88 997 and 987 too
Not all 997... phase 1 only
@@personalmail7484 not 987 post 2008
@@tajneeley 996
Thats too bad. Did you have the engine rebuilt?
any porsche owner's worse night mare!!!!!!!!
oh my god i feel so bad for this dude.
well
i made sure this would not happen to me
i did buy a 2000 boxster 2.7 with 95k on it
ran perfect just like this car!
but i did what my gut was tellin me to do!
i got new IMS
new clutch
new flywheel
plugs
oil tubes
coil packs
2 timing chain tensioners
waterpump
themostat
AOS
altenator
serpanteen belt
breaks front an rear
tires
oil change
battery
cuz im takin my car to florida from michigan
and this is not gonna happen to me!!
i feel so bad for this guy HOWEVER!!!
common dude
doin the ims should have been the first thing ya did... if nothing else!!.
How is your 2000 Boxster running today? Wonderful cars. Also, do you recall the cost range for those upgrades? Thanks.
"Porsche": From the old German meaning "sucker".
Its a beautiful car otherwise. Just needs a better engineered motor. Perhaps a subaru wrx swap.
greg h it's not the motor that fails. The bearing fails and shatters into pieces that get into the inside of the engine. Know your stuff before posting.
Especially when they moved from air to water cooling.....
@Jean Cena The Intermediate Shaft Bearing is at the heart of the motor. Therefore, when the IMS goes, it takes most of the engine with it.
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