@@jimmoriarty9906 Well, there are 2 reasons for that: 1. He's not the most consistent fencer, then again not everyone is (this does not mean Miles is a bad fencer, on the contrary he is still one of the best fencers on the USA circuit). 2. Nick Muthereffing Itkin happened. Basically usurped him to take his place on the team.
@@xDinomanx It is more than inconsistency. Plus Itkin’s progress does not explain Chamley’s latest individual performances. He used to be top 10, now he fences the pre-tournaments on Saturdays and barely qualifies for the main competition on Sundays. When he does he loses at the 1st or 2nd round. The thing is MCW has a unique style but it is not one with which he can win in the long run. Sure it can cause opponents problems during 5 hits bouts, but not during 15 hits bouts at international level. Especially now that his opponents are used to it. To me, his world title in 2013 always was a one time thing. I never believed he would win again. It seems I was right
Is this just a foil representation of the cold war? It does show just how good Miles-Chamley Watson has the potential to be on a good day and I hope he continues to put a smile on my face with the trick hits :)
I'm a huge fan of Chamley-Watson but I'm not convinced that the parry at 4:08 was valid. From an initiative perspective, Chamley-Watson makes the move to parry (clearly), but even on the 0.25 slow motion on youtube, you can see that it was the middle of his blade against the strong (and guard!) of Arslanov and it doesn't look like it changed the incoming attack whatsoever (I know timing isn't the major factor but you can clearly tell that Arslanov's light was on first). As rare as it is, I might have called this a mal-pare'...
The question is whether Miles's blade contacted Arslanov's blade before or after Arslanov's blade's tip touched Miles's lame. The answer is before, hence it is parried, and Miles's immediate riposte has right of way. There is no such thing as a mal-parry in foil: it is either the blade was found (parried) before the hit, or the hit arrived before the parry.
@@ericdew2021 You know, I was about to reply and say "what are you on about, mal-parry is totally a thing in foil"... but I looked up the Technical Rules to be sure and lo and behold, you are completely right! The whole beating the forte thing applies only to the attacker, where effectively the attacker "parries themselves" by beating their opponent's forte (t. 106-4c for those playing at home). As you say, I cannot find anything in the technical rules about a mal-parry in foil! All the defender has to do is "find the blade"
@@dzfz2100 “The parry is the defensive action made with the weapon to prevent an offensive action arriving.” So really the question is whether the attack arrived or was it a remise that arrived. That’s a matter of interpretation. I think the way the hit was judged in the bout is the way you’d expect these days. Long ago, when I started, I think it would have gone the other way.
@@dzfz2100 I don't think you should necessarily rely on the rulebook as the definitive answer. The rulebook is rarely updated and judges frequently make decisions based upon collective understanding on the "correct" way to fence.
It's the score of the leg, not the entire team bout. So the score starts 15 - 9 in this leg, and the leg ends at 16 - 20, meaning that Arslanov scored 1 point and Chamley watson scores 11,
Yeah, I wish both of them displayed better sportmanship. Meinhardt is much better but I wish there was an American who really stood out. There really isn't anyone on the scene that will concede a point when they know they really lost the point. Or, celebrate without demeaning his opponent.
Miles is a powerhouse in team bouts. There are so many times I have seen him excel in team matches where he is on fire.
A teammate who gets as hype as Miles is a HUGE asset, raises the morale!
Whether you like his style or not, Miles still gets results
I always enjoy watching his bouts 😁
I'm not the biggest fan of his style but it works for him. He may not always have the consistency his teammates have, but he's still a great fencer.
He used to. Not anymore
@@jimmoriarty9906 Well, there are 2 reasons for that:
1. He's not the most consistent fencer, then again not everyone is (this does not mean Miles is a bad fencer, on the contrary he is still one of the best fencers on the USA circuit).
2. Nick Muthereffing Itkin happened. Basically usurped him to take his place on the team.
@@xDinomanx It is more than inconsistency. Plus Itkin’s progress does not explain Chamley’s latest individual performances. He used to be top 10, now he fences the pre-tournaments on Saturdays and barely qualifies for the main competition on Sundays. When he does he loses at the 1st or 2nd round.
The thing is MCW has a unique style but it is not one with which he can win in the long run. Sure it can cause opponents problems during 5 hits bouts, but not during 15 hits bouts at international level. Especially now that his opponents are used to it. To me, his world title in 2013 always was a one time thing. I never believed he would win again. It seems I was right
He really do be fencing tho
He do!
Is this just a foil representation of the cold war? It does show just how good Miles-Chamley Watson has the potential to be on a good day and I hope he continues to put a smile on my face with the trick hits :)
Love Miles with the trickshots and energetic fencing! Hope we see some more great stuff from him coming up to Paris 2024
5:03 was frickin incredible
It was! 😁
I love watching Miles pull off stuff like that. He just has this sort of fluidity in his motion that makes his fencing really fun to watch.
thats why hes world championnnnnnn
2:01 The ONLY touch he lost in this leg was basically self-inflicted from stunting too hard 😂
❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
I'm a huge fan of Chamley-Watson but I'm not convinced that the parry at 4:08 was valid. From an initiative perspective, Chamley-Watson makes the move to parry (clearly), but even on the 0.25 slow motion on youtube, you can see that it was the middle of his blade against the strong (and guard!) of Arslanov and it doesn't look like it changed the incoming attack whatsoever (I know timing isn't the major factor but you can clearly tell that Arslanov's light was on first). As rare as it is, I might have called this a mal-pare'...
The question is whether Miles's blade contacted Arslanov's blade before or after Arslanov's blade's tip touched Miles's lame. The answer is before, hence it is parried, and Miles's immediate riposte has right of way. There is no such thing as a mal-parry in foil: it is either the blade was found (parried) before the hit, or the hit arrived before the parry.
@@ericdew2021 You know, I was about to reply and say "what are you on about, mal-parry is totally a thing in foil"... but I looked up the Technical Rules to be sure and lo and behold, you are completely right! The whole beating the forte thing applies only to the attacker, where effectively the attacker "parries themselves" by beating their opponent's forte (t. 106-4c for those playing at home). As you say, I cannot find anything in the technical rules about a mal-parry in foil! All the defender has to do is "find the blade"
@@dzfz2100 “The parry is the defensive action made with the weapon to prevent an offensive
action arriving.” So really the question is whether the attack arrived or was it a remise that arrived. That’s a matter of interpretation. I think the way the hit was judged in the bout is the way you’d expect these days. Long ago, when I started, I think it would have gone the other way.
@@dzfz2100 I don't think you should necessarily rely on the rulebook as the definitive answer. The rulebook is rarely updated and judges frequently make decisions based upon collective understanding on the "correct" way to fence.
I disagree. Miles parried the blade before the light came on. If you watch in slow motion, it seems very clear.
im kinda confused how 15-9 is the same score as 11-1, can someone explain
It's the score of the leg, not the entire team bout. So the score starts 15 - 9 in this leg, and the leg ends at 16 - 20, meaning that Arslanov scored 1 point and Chamley watson scores 11,
3:56....
Devastating 😂
Yeah miles circular parry riposte has always been devistating.
Damn
Dislike Miles and Imboden, but that's good stuff
With those 2 in particular, people tend to love em' or hate em' 😂
Yeah, I wish both of them displayed better sportmanship. Meinhardt is much better but I wish there was an American who really stood out. There really isn't anyone on the scene that will concede a point when they know they really lost the point. Or, celebrate without demeaning his opponent.
Fencing is the gay cousin of sord fighting
Sord.tells everything about you