I like how you're using DCS to illustrate various concepts addressed in other videos. Discussing the procedure is one thing. Being able to show the procedure enhances the explanation. It helps that DCS is as detailed as it is. I want to say that the 109 pilot was human.
Very interesting - I'm not a pilot, and have never been in the cockpit of any sort of WW 2 fighter, though I did fly a T-6 for half an hour once (after the real pilot did the hard part of taking off). And I don't do flight sims except as an interested observer. I hate to drag P-47 fans into naval air warfare, but I was especially interested in Greg's commentary about checking engine gauges, especially the oil pressure. My Dad flew an F6F in the fall of 1944 (essentially the same R-2800 engine), and on one mission attacking airfields in the Pescadores Islands (near Taiwan), Japanese ground fire put a 20mm into the prop hub. I have a photo, and the hub is thoroughly mangled. The Hellcat lost most (but not all) of its engine oil over time, as it just dribbled out through the mangled hub. He flew the Hellcat 200+ miles back to the carrier with only 10 lbs. oil pressure showing on his gauge, and (fortunately) no engine fire. Pratt & Whitney earned its money that day.
@@rayschoch5882 its called "WWII Gun Camera Footage". Disturbing, yet mesmerizing. There is a large quantity of never before seen footage of this sort being released by certain air museums who are attempting to salvage the old films and release them before they are lost forever. Imagine if we could watch a black and white film of the ancient Greek and Persian naval battles? In 1,000 years these records will be gold.
Just realized that you are my buddy GregHF from Rise of Flight, from back in 2014-2016 or so. We regularly bombarded enemy airfields pretty good with Halberstadts CL2s, flying low, sometimes dropping those small 12.5kg bombs on the enemy planes unfortunate enough to spawn at that time down below... those were the days! Wish WW1 flight sims would get some kind of renaissance again to warrant more attention, larger playerbase and new content as I just love those old crates. Glad that you are still around and going strong - good kill on that K4 too. I didn't play DCS for a couple of years now sadly (pending hardware upgrade), but the opponent looks rather human to me (unless they really improved the ai since then). P.S. You made some great videos, very good tie-ins to historical anecdotes, real procedures / data / manuals, and overall full of good no-bs info for flight-simers, history/aviation enthusiasts and interested laymen alike. Keep it real! Oh and big radials for the win.
A bit late to the party here, but I think you've finally convinced me to get this module in DCS. I just wish warbirds had a bit more love in multiplayer!
Man, this video is so awesome! I would absolutely love more DCS content where you highlight certain controls and things you are looking at/doing in the aircraft before/during/after combat situations
Love anything to do with a Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. My late father was a Staff Sergeant Combat Veteran with the US Army Air Force in the South Pacific Campaign on Guam, Tinian, Saipan and Iwo Jima as a Flightline Engineer and Mechanic on the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. He was in the 20TH USAAF, 7TH Army Air Corp, 414TH Fighter/Bomber Group, 413TH F/ B Squadron.
Greg, what an interesting video. Applying what you read and study in DCS is great. It only shows how well modeled and realistic, as far it can be, the sim is. Also, it's been a very instructional video. I'm learning how to dogfight in the P-47, and for sure I'll use the lessons shown here for my advantage.
That was fascinating and certainly more interesting than the static tutorials of theory that you normally do. My dad flew the P47D in WW2 and would definitely know everything you were talking about. That’s what I find interesting also. But definitely should do more videos like this.
Your videos always reveal the practicality of flying aircraft and this was no exception. Thanks for taking us on the ride along. Perhaps you could create your Fiat in a driving sim and show us how you would beat the competition.
Starting in the early '70s, I went through a series of four Fiat 124s. A '69 Coupe', and three newer spiders. I could buy them very cheap because of the engine troubles and fixed them in the Base Auto Shop for almost free. They were more fun than you can beat with a stick, until I bought a Boss 351 Mustang! Religious revelation and conversion to big V-8s!
Thanks Greg, the detail and your knowledge and research is amazing. Keep up the work and hopefully I will be in the air and on your side in the future....
You can also undertemp the oil, particularly in long, high speed dive from high altitude. This will then drive up the oil pressure to the point it won't flow and badness ensues. Try to remember to close the oil shutters (which I'd be surprised have any measurable effect on aircraft performance either in DCS or real life) before going into a long dive, like one might if they were trying to use the Jug's dive-to-escape trick. Cowl flaps too! Great to see this new detailed DCS content, Greg! Or even when it's just used as illustration, often it can provide perspectives hard to find in real-world media of the day.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Considering how amazing the aircraft performs at very high altitudes I would love to see a video on that. It gives you a feeling of invincibility when flying above 30.000ft
Very interesting. Wish I had a cheat sheet for the entire panel so I could get a sense of all of the gauges and what they measure. You do a good job at letting people know what you are looking at and what it has to do with possible case scenarios that might happen. Just a little too detailed. From a very experienced perspective. But then that’s a good thing for a pilot.
Thanks Nima, I'll make more, although these DCS videos won't be the focus of my channel. I think if DCS more as a tool I can use to convey historical information, in this case, feathering the prop, dealing with a failed generator and so on.
12:49 Yep, Mike Gladych was by all accounts an incredible pilot and an even more interesting person. One of those people I've read about that I really wish I could have met in person and talked about his life. If anyone is interested, Flying Heritage Museum and I think EAA has an interview with Gladych from late in his life. A bunch of great stories there. How he got the scar and depression across his face (crashing a Spitfire when in RAF 303 SQ), how angry he was that he thought the Germans had killed his whole family and how that came out of him in combat, how he joined the 56th, what he did after the war... It's an incredible interview. There is another story about him from an interview with Bunny Comstock (one of the longest-serving pilots with the 56th FG over the course of the war) that is pretty heart-warming too, about an event that occurred on the same day the 56th FG lost the most fighters in one day than they had during their time in the war (9/18/44). Comstock really makes Gladych sound like a guy in the group that most everyone loved, even if he could be a little quirky and unpredictable. It's clear he was much admired as a fighter pilot, particularly within the 61st FS, and particularly by Comstock, who probably had more opportunity to know more pilots who served in the 56th during the war than anyone, save possibly Dave Schilling.
Thanks Shark, I first read about him in Robert S. Johnson's book "Thunderbolt". When someone like R.S.J. says he was a great pilot and a wild man, that says something. I linked a video with Mike Gladych in the description, it's short, but good.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Awesome, yep, that's a clip from the video from Flying Heritage Museum I was talking about. As I recall, the full interview is close to two hours long. It's an amazing interview. Unfortunately, the Flying Heritage Museum is shutting down since Paul Allen's death, and apparently they stopped hosting the video interviews. Bummer. Hopefully EAA has it, or will in the future. Museum of Flight Digital Collections has the interview with Bunny (Harold E.) Comstock I was talking about. They also have a several-hours long nine-part interview with Hub Zemke as well, where he's talking to a producer and a Navy WWII fighter pilot (Eugene Valencia) about creating a TV show based on the exploits of the 56th FG. They kind of focus on the rivalry between the 56th and the 4th FG.
@@SharkVsTree A rivalry btw the 56th and the 4th? There shouldn't be any contest! The 56th pilots were very enamored with the Thunderbolt but 4th leadership hated the P47 and it showed. Hell, I heard Blakeslee wished he had a few Zemkes and Johnsons in the 4th.
@@nickmitsialis Yeah, it was something the producer was trying to drag out of Zemke in order to make the show they were developing more interesting. Zemke did oblige, to a degree. There was a real rivalry between the two groups, though few opportunities to affect it. Zemke clearly didn't like Blakeslee personally (thought he was a boozer who caroused with his boys way too much), though they treated each other with professional courtesy. The two groups pretty consistently had the best numbers in the 8th Air Force, and as such managed to get into scraps when alcohol was involved during leave time in London. The interviews I've heard from 56th FG pilots who mention the 4th FG do often seem to express respect for Don Gentile, though. Including Zemke.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Hey Greg, I found a transcript I had copied of that interview with Mike Gladych, if you're interested. Whoever transcribed it must have done it with software, as it's pretty clear his accent makes it pretty spotty in places, but I've got it formatted well enough, I think. Let me know if you're interested. Maybe you can share it with your Patreon folks.
The thing that weight increases best glide speed without impact to range is pretty cool. Competitive glider pilots can load water ballast on days with good thermals, so they can get a faster average speed, without sacrificing glide distance.
Excellent tutorial as well as fascinating. Grew up in Farmingdale, NY; Grumman plant was in Bethpage just west, on the east side of my town was the Republic plant.
Happy new year mate! 🍻 I've been intending to get into DCS since about 2018 when I bought a T.16000 HOTAS kit (with a keen eye also on IL42, Elite: Dangerous, maybe some MSFS or Xplane when I feel like a bit of sightseeing). The learning curve seems like more of a learning cliff for modern combat aircraft, but these P-47 videos are really getting my juices flowing (if you'll pardon the expression). I decided to stop being a cheap pr**k and joined the Patreon to say thanks for the effort put in. I've supported various creators on and off since around the time I bought the Thrustmaster kit, and I must say I'm very impressed with the high level of communication, post/update frequency, and of course the additional Patreon-only documentation. Really a great collection of stuff, backed up by a bigly knowledgeable community of commenters. 😁 To anyone who's on the fence about joining the Patreon, do it now, you won't be disappointed. Best wishes to all for a great kickoff to 2023, cheers!
Thanks. DCS can seem overwhelming, but If you just start slow and follow the tutorials you can get through it. Plus there are plenty of people and tutorials around to help you. I might make a video about getting started in DCS and I'll keep it focused on WW2 stuff.
Tried out this server the other night after your last video. Took off, strafed a AAA, intercepted a bombing flight and took out two AI P-47Ds with my 190-D9 and landed. Very cool server! Lots to keep you occupied.
Exactly, there is just so much to do there. Sometimes it's crowded, sometimes it's not, either way there is plenty of action to be had. I'm glad you liked it.
With the screen shake around 18 minutes its because the game has some sort of issue reading zoom from the controller analogue dial. I fixed it by putting a small deadzone at my favourite zoom level, now whenever I'm in that deadzone it behaves. Also helps me find it quickly which isn't too bad either, especially without a detent on my throttle now.
Great point Olivia. I have done that and it works, but still shakes at any other zoom level. Still, great suggestion and as always I'm glad to see you here.
Oh! It's an analog axis! Yeah, it could just be noisy or possibly fighting against another analog axis on another controller (DCS loves to trap new players with that one, it tries to map everything to everything by default, virtually guaranteeing axis conflicts).
@@AdmiralQuality Its always just been the noise for me. My old controller had it bad, newer better one gets it closer to Greg's experience. All other analogue controls already used up. Plus I tend to clear all first as I make my keybinds. Adding some hysteresis would fix it instantly but I've not been able to find a program to do that and for some reason DCS hasn't in the 15 years or so it's been around. Personally I tend to add a deadzone at 50% and 100% zoom, the two I use most, then just hope I don't get the jitters if I ever need anything between.
Greg I believe we have discovered that after repair you will continue on with a "cold start" aircraft . This is new on the server we have been flying,, WP US 2 Dynamic Base Capture Normandy . This will explain why you lost an engine after take off. Just make sure your temps are within the sweet spot as your engine warms slowly or by using oil dilution switch. But make sure to turn it off before take off. GR00VY has been advised. I hope this helps. If this has been covered already and I missed it my apologies.
Oh, that makes sense! Thanks Bishop. I did wait to warm up for a long time and eventually just gave up. It didn't occur to me that the outside air temp may have been low enough to need oil dilution. It's amazing how realistic this sim is.
Absolutely my pleasure. I am happy to help... 95% of my understanding of the War Birds and the Republic P-47D Thunderbolt/Jug in particular, is taken directly from your videos. Its been extremely satisfying to assist here and there in your in-depth study sim of these amazing and fascinating War Birds. One more thing that come to mind about the P-47 in this server has to do with server restarts, The server starts out pre dawn early morning and the landing light under the left wing is many times default deployed and the light turned on. Its a no brainer to turn it off once its no longer needed to see or once you have taken off but what is not so obvious is that the switch that controls that landing light is a 3 position toggle. On/ Off and retract. If you are in flight and your stick is shaking as if you left cowl flaps open and said cowl flaps are indeed not open the landing light is likely causing it and not retracted. A quick outside F2 view allowed in the server in question can help map out which position of the 3 way toggle shuts off the light and retracts it to its stored configuration. It can be different from case to case if its bound to a switch on a hotas or key stroke or even a button box. Let me know if this is also what you find to work.
Is there any consequence of a too low carb air temperature? At low altitudes without turbo and at cruise settings, the needle is often below the green, even with the intercoolers fully closed.
Not really. There was a chance of carb icing in some situations, but I've not heard it happening in an US injection carb, and certainly not within DCS. This was really a left over from the true carbs on airplanes which relied on a pressure drop to work. That pressure drop would cause moisture in the air to freeze up the carb under some specific conditions. cont: I just realized you're reflected. You are doing some great work. I played through the Anton campaign twice, and I'm going through the P-47 campaign now. Next, probably F-14 campaigns in your suggested order.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles thank you for the clarification and for the kind words! I'm a big fan of your videos. Good luck with Wolfpack - I'm going through it now as well, I just got a VR headset, so it's like a childhood dream come true now :)
I like how you said to keep intercooler shutters at neutral and explained how they work. Another DCS P-47 tutorial in youtube explains to keep them always 100% open which is incorrect.
Nearly every test of the P-47 was with the shutters in the neutral position. You may need to open them more during period of sustained high manifold pressure at altitude, but in 99 percent of DCS operations you can leave them in neutral. I wouldn't close them except during long power off decents, and even then there isn't much need to close them.
If they had been available in as many numbers as the F-51s so that they could get activated, the F-47s would have been awesome CAS in the Korean War. Hell, even Vietnam.
@@LEEGOOVER9901 When the USAAF formally became an independent branch (USAF) in 1947 all formerly "pursuit" aircraft had the "P" changed to "F" for fighter. World War 2 attack aircraft like the A-20 or A-26 were redesignated to B-20 ad B-26, which would have been confusing, but the now B-26 Invader was the only B-26 as the Marauder medium bomber had been retired.
There was something like over 5,000 P47's in Europe during the Korean War between the one's being flown and spares kept as back up's, the reason they weren't sent to Korea to be used is because the US generals that were running post war Europe didn't want to give up their favorite ground attack aircraft in the event that the Soviets did something stupid. The age old myth that there wasn't any left when the Korean War happened because they'd all been scrapped after the war because the USAAF was in love with the P51 isn't true, they knew that sending P51's on ground attack missions was far more risky to the pilots than using P47's but they deemed that the security of Europe was far more important than keeping the Korean peninsula from falling into communist hands, and since Korea was a peninsula the Navy could launch strikes from their carriers to anywhere on it with the more survivable radial engine aircraft they had for ground attack, as far as the newly formed Air Force and it's commitment there it'd just have to make due with whatever it had available which was the F51's because their F47's were tied up standing watch in Europe. There's a 1951 movie called Decision Before Dawn that's set in Germany during the closing day's of the war, since most of the cities in Germany at the time looked like they did in the closing day's of the war filming was done on location there, at one point in the movie German troops come under attack from P47's and unlike movies like Patton and A Bridge Too Far it's actual P47's that do the attacking instead of some other radial engine look alikes standing in for them, they were active duty USAF F47's that were used for filming and are proof that during the Korean War the USAF was still operating F47's in number's in Europe, they're acknowledged during the credits with it saying "The producer's of this film would like to thank the Department of Defense and the USAF for their assistance in the making of this film".
Happy New Year, Greg! I think, because of the exploits of RAF 303, Polish pilots in USAF and their achivement are largely unknown. Could you recommend book on the topic?
What I find interesting about gamers is that they love to be moderately near the ground where most of these planes were not at optimum altitudes and very subject to light AA. I admit that is more exciting. And of course they are lone Wolfs which in reality is not something you did unless you were on a PR bird flying low and fast over a pre-planned area. Real combat was either a furball or a bounce, in both cases a lot of other airplanes around and it was the guy you did not see was the one that usually got you. If you were chasing someone, you usually had a wingman covering you. I am sure it's fun though.
I suppose it's a question of how much realism you really want vs. fun game play. DCS allows you to have a very deep level of realism, but I don't know of anyone going all the way and risking frost bite while playing and using a relief tube. Now if what you want is high altitude and large formations, check out Reflected Simulations Wolf Pack Campaign. It's all there.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I definitely agree, especially being that I pretty much only play IL-2. I'm really looking forward to what they do next as it's being heavily rumored that they will be working on a whole new sim/engine for their next project. I hope we get all of these technical features while still giving us that awesome WW2 experience. BTW Greg, would you mind sharing your opinion on the P-47s in DCS vs the ones in IL-2? It seems like the vast majority of us in IL-2 are sadly disappointed with our P-47. In IL-2, I can't imagine dogfighting a Bf109 if I was flying a P-47, even if it was stripped down, 150 octane, low fuel, even removing half of the guns to save weight, etc. But if I was in a Bf109, with full fuel, even with a pylon from taking a bomb, or gunpods, I would see a P-47 as an easy kill. On top of it all, it's not really durable at all.
It can be done, and it has been done. However it's tricky and can cause severe disruptions in the controls. That said, there were and are airplanes that can do this.
The biggest issues I have with DCS and warbirds is the fact that you can't set gun convergence. The default (think it's 250 m(y)) is too short for any air to ground work and I'd really like to be able to set it to 400-500m for mixed engagements (the Air-Air lethality doesn't really suffer much in IL-2 or WT at those ranges) The second are the contact fuzes on bombs - but as far as I can see in your video - this can be dealt with
The convergence in DCS are set to the prescribed settings in the various pilot manuals, probably how 99 percent of the planes were set up. As for the fuses, the choice of fuses on the bombs is immense in DCS, I really can't ask for anything more.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I must have missed something with the bomb delay fuzes, there are forum posts from 2020 confirming that it is not possible to set delay fuzes. Thank you for the reply and for the video, keep em coming and a happy new 2023!
Suspect human pilot in 109, cool that repairs were a problem, I need to try DCS. Will DCS work with a multi screen setup, does it have rudder controls with or without pedals?
As always you provided a lot of expert knowledge. Gładych's name was probably commonly pronounced as you did in English, but for curiosity and future references I wanted to correct it. Gładych should be 'gwadih' with 'h' pronounced like in Halifax.
Nice video as always greg btw since you your last video about ki-84 can you also do video about J7W shinden(Magnificent Lightning) too? I saw other speak about this air craft but not much detail and none speak about spec how good or bad it was compair to late war allies air craft
I don't know, honestly the Ki-84 series has taken so long to make as compared with the number of views, I just don't think I'll do another series like it with a Japanese airplane for a while.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles that is fair it didn't got alot of view might because they are didn't got much attention as other nations well known aircraft and details are hard to find so yeah it fine but for my options their design are interesting also i really like the ki-84 video that you did because it is one of the most details about japanese plane i ever saw youtube right now i really enjoyed watching it thank you for such a quality video
Great educational content as always Greg! I have been having a go on the Wolf Pack server after watching this, thoroughly enjoyable and more accessible for less experienced players like myself. Do you have a couple of recommendations of YT creators of WW2/1 aviation content that you follow? I believe I've heard you recommend some in previous videos but I can't remember/find them. Love your work.
I like a lot of channels, Military Aviation History comes to mind, although lately he has gone away from WW2 and is doing more current stuff. However he does have a lot of great WW2 content.
And there will be a big difference between ambient air temps at your altitude, and the temps coming from the compressed air of the turbo supercharger. The biggest reason... Compressed air will increase in temperature. That's always a constant. The more it's compressed, the more it will heat up, Something to consider, when attempting to control engine temps.
Yeah at high alt when you pulling 64" in P-47 turbo rpm always hit 22k, carb air temp always at red line with intercooler wide open. In most cases only thing what you can do is to lower turbo rpm by pulling boost lever back.
Again, I will return to IL-2 Sturmovik, at low altitudes, you are at disadvantage, but above 7000m, P47 is the king! 12.7mm feel little bit underpowered (german 20mm packs way more punch), but that issue is not so pronounced with P47. Extra ammo option was always a must for me!
It might not be the most efficient, but in WWII flight sims I always seem to come back to "as many .50s as possible!" as my preferred anti-fighter armament lol.
50cals are faster and more accurate and the sheer volume of fire means that your likely to hit and even if you miss half your shots you will still put a ton of lead into your target
@@agravemisunderstanding9668 i still prefer 20mm. The volume of fire is not all. As a sim flyer, i prefer clean and fast kill as it is very difficult to keep the target in sights for long. Usually, you only get a snapshot. The fact that usaaf switched to 20mm post war testifies to that fact.
One reason the US favoured direct air-cooled radial engines over air-water-cooled inline engines was because the absence of cooling tubes and hoses made the radial perceived as more resistant to battle damage.
@@justcarcrazy P47: have multiple oil coolers (radiators), hoses, ducts, etc. Most of the legendary ground attack aircraft of WW2, many legendarily tough, used inline engines. And as Greg has shown in this video and his other on navigation, if the oil radiators in the P-47 get damaged, the engine is going to quit. In the Battle of Y29, one P-51D took off, shot down an FW190, took multiple 20mm cannon hits, including loosing oil from teh engine and losing an aileron, and still managed to shoot down 3 more Germans before landing safely. I have a picture of P-40 that landed with a piece of another airplane lodged in it's cowl. But if you study the P-40 and P-47 in particular, their airframes were monstrous. Overbuilt. meaning they can take a lot of hits before losing structural integrity. But that comes at eth price of weight. Drag and weight dogged the P-40, and the P-47 could have been better had it shed some weight too. But at the expense of toughness. Where is the criticism of the Hawker Typhoon/Tempest? IL-2? Ju-87 (vulnerable, but still tough), Mosquito? Hurricane? Etc.
@@SoloRenegade Not just that! But (IF I remember my readings from Roger Freeman's writings on the 'Mighty Eighth' correctly) The P47 had so much supercharger ducting in the fuselage that, in a belly landing, it would absorb a lot of the shock and impact, that would normally get 'transmitted' into the lower legs and backs of the pilots, so more pilots would walk away from bad landings than with other Allied single engine aircraft.
I guess those MG 131s are not that bad, even if it took for a while to turn this P-47 into a "slightly" war weary plane. In regards to losing sight to the ground target at the beginning - I thought that the windmill next to it was pretty good as a landmark, although I don't know the map, maybe there's more of them in the vicinity.
I said to fully open the oil cooler shutters, and yes, they were open, actually they were open the entire flight. The cowl flaps were cracked open a bit which you can see in the video.
I'm not sure what your screen shake is, I don't get that with TrackIR and the stock software. That's what you're using, right? You're centering the TrackIR regularly? It's not like you're butting up against the tracking limits for translation or something like that? (Maybe you have the Z translate axis turned up higher than it should be? You ideally want the head translation to match the motion you make in reality but I have noticed sometimes you seem to throw your face right into the gunsight then back into the headrest. Maybe that's just real-life seat adjustment.)
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Pretty sure that's Z translation we're seeing, not Zoom. (If you were zoomed out all the way it would look fisheye and it's not even close.) I definitely don't have any issue with hitting a maximum zoom extent with zoom mapped to controls on my stick and haven't heard of anyone else experiencing it. (I run a DCS FB group with over 10k members so I tend to be pretty tuned into the state of the sim.)
Nope, they don't seem to fight, instead they're cumulative (hitting Numpad F5 centers your view, I also map that to TrackIR center so both get done at the same time). Hmmmm, not sure how that's happening but will continue to look into it. You use the stock TrackIR software, right?
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Yeah... I keep almost pulling the trigger but I've sorta been trying to hold out for the Kiowa module _(my cousin flew OH-58s and I want to impress him by knowing them inside and out)_
Last I flew IL-2 multiplayer, if you manage to bring the plane back to an ally runway in relatively one piece, the server will "refund" you a new bird. "Big" servers I flew on have the following logistics system: Starting runways have a set amount of planes per model available. They will be used up as players take off and effectively added back to inventory when landed back or lost if shot down. Players can resupply runway inventory by flying supply missions from deep within own air space and landing on desired runways.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles If you're looking for an easier, simulation type game, I'd recommend Enlisted. It's like war thunder and battlefields lovechild, with flight mechanics slightly easier than war thunder. You can also tear it up in a tank or as infantry. Free to play
I'm curious what an expert on the plane thinks about the DCS P-47 .50 cal loadout. Based on available firing time and approximate ROF (and comparison with the DCS P-51) it seems the 100% loadout is somewhere around 2100 to 2400 rounds. Is this historically accurate? I see lots of literature references to 3400 rounds.
Great video Pilot skill biggest factor Luck can matter Amazing a jug can do well on the deck w a 109. At 25,000 ft a water injected jug was hard to beat
Greg: I guessed it was a human 109 pilot, but I don't recall why. This video really emphasizes the degree to which experience counts. I mean, you're a real pilot with...what, thousands of hours of flight time? You always have a backup plan, it seems. No AI algorithm can match that. As Roger Penrose says, "Consciousness is not computational." I'm not a pilot, and have never flown in simulation. But I can appreciate mastery of complex tasks with many variables. This is an awesome video! Thanks for posting it.
Great video, thanks. And Happy New Year! I would like to know what you hardware setup is. Joystick, screen(s) and so on, please. I think it was an AI pilot.
I'll put that into the description when I get around to it. I do want to figure out the screen shake first because while I think it's the joystick I don't want to point any fingers until I'm sure.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thank you. You said(or wrote) that your P-47M is historically correct. Is there a particular reason why you chose Witold Łanowski`s P-47M? He had quite an interesting life. He fought from Poland 1939 al the way to Congo in 1960. An autobiography about him has been published in 2016, but as far as I know, only in Polish: Zabierz nas do domu „Lanny”(Take us home, Lanny)
I was just thinking the other day while playing War Thunder that the Chinese P-66 holds the early visual style of what the Corsair would eventually become. If you tweak a few design aspects of the P-66 it easily becomes a Corsair. The same can be said about the Chinese P-43A, as you can easily see design features that would quickly evolve it into what became the p-47.. I just thought that was kind of neat when I noticed it.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I figured it was, I'd just never noticed how similarly they were actually designed, and how such a minimal amount of improvements were able to gain significant performance increases. But then I can't help but ask myself "Was the P-43 worse than it should have been, or was the P-47 better than it should have been? It basically seems like they just increased the size, kept the body and wing the same "with some aerodynamic tweaks to smooth things out, and gave it a way more powerful engine. And the gains were insane over the p-43, which was basically the same plane. I'm assuming that besides the engine it had a way better supercharger system too huh?
HVZ, whose plane was that? Johnson's was HVP so whoever HVZ was they would have been in the 61st Fighter Squadron with Johnson. Unless you picked Z because it wasn't anyone's or was available, does the game allow you to pick whatever markings you want and can 2 people have the same markings?
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Must have missed that one, I don't have a computer and I have to watch things like this on my phone and am often interrupted by a call or text message when I'm watching them. This is off subject and applies to another video of your's, in regards to the one recently on the Japanese fighter's and their radial engine that you compared to the R2800 and others you had a partial valve timing in a document, I was going to do some math on the missing valve timing numbers which I think I can come up with based on those two and when I went to do it I saw the exhaust closing at 50° ATDC, I can't believe a boosted engine, especially one limited to that low of RPM's closes that late, a lot of the intake charge would be blowing across the top of the piston and right out the exhaust, are you sure that's right and not a misprint? I don't have any aircraft valve timing numbers to compare it to because no matter how many places I've tried to find the valve timing for the R2800 engine I can't find it anywhere, do you have those numbers?
Hi Duke, I'm sure I have the valve timing for the R-2800 somewhere. I don't remember what they are. I do know that NACA has a study on valve overlap in supercharged engines, and they did use quite a bit. As for the Hayate's valve timing, I don't know if it's a misprint. I did put the entire factory manual for the engine high resolution, full color in the Patreon section, but it's in Japanese.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Yea u can't believe the exhaust stays open for 50° rotation of the crank after TDC, 50° is more like what the exhaust should open before BDC for cylinder blow down on a boosted engine turning around 3,000 RPM's (neighborhood of). One if the biggest mistake someone will make when home building a boosted engine without doing the research into it is assume that a performance cam for a normally aspirated engine will give them the same results over a stock cam for boost, then someone with a boosted engine that's running a stock cam that has the exhaust valve closing much sooner after TDC will come along and blow them away and they can't figure it out, because they don't understand that with boost you don't need the exhaust gasses pulling that vacuum behind it to scavenge the cylinder and start pulling the intake charge into it, all that happens with an exhaust that closes that late is all the charge entering the cylinder when the exhaust is still open just blows right across the top of the piston and right out the exhaust, if you look at cams that are ground for a boosted engine they have the exhaust valve closing just after TDC quite often even sooner than stock cams, I'd think that a V configuration engine like an Allison or a Merlin with that kind of exhaust timing would have 6 foot long flames coming out of each stack, unless those engine's have a super short connecting rod to stroke ratio that has the piston moving through TDC slower than any engine I've ever been around, it'd have to have a connecting rod shorter than the stroke, I've never seen that but then again the way those radial engine's have that link rod assembly system maybe the piston is just below TDC at 50° rotation of the crank after TDC, I've often wondered how much differently the cylinder with the master connecting rod runs compared to the rest in that row that have the link rods, the valve timing's the same but the cylinder with the master rod has to move it's piston through TDC and BDC at different speeds because of it's different geometry, I've always wondered if the plugs read different than the other one's when they're pulled, I've also always wondered how that cylinders timing would be affected or if somehow in the ignition system it has the provisions to run a different timing in that cylinder such as something in the distributor changes the timing for that particular cylinder. I've looked and looked on the internet trying to find the valve timing and lift specs along with the connecting rod lengths for an R2800 so I can run the engine in software I have that I can design engine's in, the HP and torque comes out remarkably close to actual results from dyno pulls, you can even switch from crank HP to rear wheel HP with it and it'll be spot on plus it has a boost program in it that you can enter the amount of boost in, I'm dying to see how the numbers from it would compare to know numbers from the R2800 engine.
Task saturation, which is exactly why I said earlier to leave the oil cooler shutters open. There were times I should have retracted the flaps, and then put them back down again. However once you take battle damage that's a big risk as one flap could refuse to move, the time it takes you to figure that out and fix it will cost you the fight.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I had no idea. That is so cool. I need to get back into flying again. Still not quite enough GPU to really run DCS where I want to, but am there in Il-2. Probably pick up one of the 4090's when they're back in stock, and we're past the Christmas bills season.
Hi Greg. Great video as always. I was just wandering, how were you actually able to pull lead against the Me 109 in a turn on the deck? I understand that the P-47's turn rate is equal or better than that of the 109, but shouldn't the turn radius of the Me 109 be substantially superior here? Is this a fault in the simulation or am I not correctly understanding the physics at play? I'd imagine that it'd be you struggling to make the turn tighter due to the relatively slow speed and the heavy weight of the P-47 and not him, but it was the opposite. Shouldn't the sustained turn performance really hurt the P-47 here? Any answers are greatly appreciated!👍
Dan, great question and I should have talked about this more. The turn performance in DCS is about dead on. There are variables in turn performance and I stacked them all in my favor here. First, my flaps are at 10 degrees, that adds very little drag, but a lot of lift. This puts my stall speed below the K4's when his flaps are up giving me a higher G limit before stall, thus better instantaneous turn rates at these low speeds. My P-47 is also pretty light, I'm down to about 35-40 mins of fuel at this point in the fight with no external stores. I'm not sure about the K-4, but he is probably about the same in terms of fuel vs. time. A common mistake is to run a 47 with 2 hours worth of fuel vs. a 109 with 40mins. Last, my engine was cooled down, his wasn't thus I could run at war emergency power longer than him to overcome the drag and haul the big girl around the circle. This is all realistic. Now the 109 could play the same game, then he would come around the circle faster, I have ways to counter that, but it's another video entirely.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I see. Thanks for the explanation. Always wandered how two seemingly similar situations in aerial fighting lead to two very different outcomes with only a few changed variables.
I have a question for Greg, and everyone who might know. Why DCS and not IL2 BOS? I have IL2 and at it’s highest settings it’s as thorough and complete as any ww2 sim ever.
Hi Mack. I'm not sure what you mean by "not IL2". I have IL2 and I have made IL2 videos in the past. However at least for the purposes of making videos about the actual airplane, DCS is better. I'm not saying it's more fun, I'm not saying it's better overall, but I am saying that for certain videos DCS is better.
Exactly, I'm trying to convey technical info in a way that that shows how much fun this stuff can be. It's not all books and numbers, it can lead to a great time and a fun hobby.
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I like how you're using DCS to illustrate various concepts addressed in other videos. Discussing the procedure is one thing. Being able to show the procedure enhances the explanation. It helps that DCS is as detailed as it is. I want to say that the 109 pilot was human.
Very interesting - I'm not a pilot, and have never been in the cockpit of any sort of WW 2 fighter, though I did fly a T-6 for half an hour once (after the real pilot did the hard part of taking off). And I don't do flight sims except as an interested observer. I hate to drag P-47 fans into naval air warfare, but I was especially interested in Greg's commentary about checking engine gauges, especially the oil pressure. My Dad flew an F6F in the fall of 1944 (essentially the same R-2800 engine), and on one mission attacking airfields in the Pescadores Islands (near Taiwan), Japanese ground fire put a 20mm into the prop hub. I have a photo, and the hub is thoroughly mangled. The Hellcat lost most (but not all) of its engine oil over time, as it just dribbled out through the mangled hub. He flew the Hellcat 200+ miles back to the carrier with only 10 lbs. oil pressure showing on his gauge, and (fortunately) no engine fire. Pratt & Whitney earned its money that day.
Thanks Ray. That's quite a story, a tribute to your dad and the folks who built the R-2800.
awesome story! thanks for sharing. imagine if our grandfathers / fathers had go pro cameras in the 40s!
@@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG Interesting thought, but I'm not sure I want a video of someone's combat death…
@@rayschoch5882 oh god no.
@@rayschoch5882 its called "WWII Gun Camera Footage". Disturbing, yet mesmerizing. There is a large quantity of never before seen footage of this sort being released by certain air museums who are attempting to salvage the old films and release them before they are lost forever.
Imagine if we could watch a black and white film of the ancient Greek and Persian naval battles? In 1,000 years these records will be gold.
Just realized that you are my buddy GregHF from Rise of Flight, from back in 2014-2016 or so. We regularly bombarded enemy airfields pretty good with Halberstadts CL2s, flying low, sometimes dropping those small 12.5kg bombs on the enemy planes unfortunate enough to spawn at that time down below... those were the days! Wish WW1 flight sims would get some kind of renaissance again to warrant more attention, larger playerbase and new content as I just love those old crates. Glad that you are still around and going strong - good kill on that K4 too. I didn't play DCS for a couple of years now sadly (pending hardware upgrade), but the opponent looks rather human to me (unless they really improved the ai since then).
P.S. You made some great videos, very good tie-ins to historical anecdotes, real procedures / data / manuals, and overall full of good no-bs info for flight-simers, history/aviation enthusiasts and interested laymen alike. Keep it real! Oh and big radials for the win.
Thanks buddy, yes that's me, GregHF.
A bit late to the party here, but I think you've finally convinced me to get this module in DCS. I just wish warbirds had a bit more love in multiplayer!
Hey Rex, the multiplayer action is good on Wolf Pack Normandy. I think you will love it.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I'll be sure to check that out...as soon as I install DCS on my new PC with a 15 mb/s download speed...fun times ahead!
@@RexsHangarit’s also way more active on the overlord server
That stall recovery was spectacular
Man, this video is so awesome! I would absolutely love more DCS content where you highlight certain controls and things you are looking at/doing in the aircraft before/during/after combat situations
Really cool to see DCS content on your channel!
Great video!! Love the Jug in DCS. Takes a beating and still gets you home.
Love anything to do with a Republic P-47 Thunderbolt.
My late father was a Staff Sergeant Combat Veteran with the US Army Air Force in the South Pacific Campaign on Guam, Tinian, Saipan and Iwo Jima as a Flightline Engineer and Mechanic on the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. He was in the 20TH USAAF, 7TH Army Air Corp, 414TH Fighter/Bomber Group, 413TH F/ B Squadron.
Thank you for your father’s service.
Greg, what an interesting video. Applying what you read and study in DCS is great. It only shows how well modeled and realistic, as far it can be, the sim is. Also, it's been a very instructional video. I'm learning how to dogfight in the P-47, and for sure I'll use the lessons shown here for my advantage.
That was fascinating and certainly more interesting than the static tutorials of theory that you normally do. My dad flew the P47D in WW2 and would definitely know everything you were talking about. That’s what I find interesting also. But definitely should do more videos like this.
I'm really glad you like it. Also, I have some very special Alfa Romeo content coming up.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Look forward to it!
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Could you do more videos like this on the P51D also as my dad flew those also.
Your videos always reveal the practicality of flying aircraft and this was no exception. Thanks for taking us on the ride along. Perhaps you could create your Fiat in a driving sim and show us how you would beat the competition.
Starting in the early '70s, I went through a series of four Fiat 124s. A '69 Coupe', and three newer spiders. I could buy them very cheap because of the engine troubles and fixed them in the Base Auto Shop for almost free. They were more fun than you can beat with a stick, until I bought a Boss 351 Mustang! Religious revelation and conversion to big V-8s!
Thanks Greg, the detail and your knowledge and research is amazing. Keep up the work and hopefully I will be in the air and on your side in the future....
You can also undertemp the oil, particularly in long, high speed dive from high altitude. This will then drive up the oil pressure to the point it won't flow and badness ensues. Try to remember to close the oil shutters (which I'd be surprised have any measurable effect on aircraft performance either in DCS or real life) before going into a long dive, like one might if they were trying to use the Jug's dive-to-escape trick.
Cowl flaps too!
Great to see this new detailed DCS content, Greg! Or even when it's just used as illustration, often it can provide perspectives hard to find in real-world media of the day.
Yes you can, but I didn't do high altitude work in this video, so I didn't get into that. Perhaps another time.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Considering how amazing the aircraft performs at very high altitudes I would love to see a video on that. It gives you a feeling of invincibility when flying above 30.000ft
Very interesting. Wish I had a cheat sheet for the entire panel so I could get a sense of all of the gauges and what they measure. You do a good job at letting people know what you are looking at and what it has to do with possible case scenarios that might happen. Just a little too detailed. From a very experienced perspective. But then that’s a good thing for a pilot.
That was a very exciting play by play. Your view count probably won't be as high as your other videos but I'll still hope you make more.
Thanks Nima, I'll make more, although these DCS videos won't be the focus of my channel. I think if DCS more as a tool I can use to convey historical information, in this case, feathering the prop, dealing with a failed generator and so on.
12:49 Yep, Mike Gladych was by all accounts an incredible pilot and an even more interesting person. One of those people I've read about that I really wish I could have met in person and talked about his life. If anyone is interested, Flying Heritage Museum and I think EAA has an interview with Gladych from late in his life. A bunch of great stories there. How he got the scar and depression across his face (crashing a Spitfire when in RAF 303 SQ), how angry he was that he thought the Germans had killed his whole family and how that came out of him in combat, how he joined the 56th, what he did after the war... It's an incredible interview.
There is another story about him from an interview with Bunny Comstock (one of the longest-serving pilots with the 56th FG over the course of the war) that is pretty heart-warming too, about an event that occurred on the same day the 56th FG lost the most fighters in one day than they had during their time in the war (9/18/44). Comstock really makes Gladych sound like a guy in the group that most everyone loved, even if he could be a little quirky and unpredictable. It's clear he was much admired as a fighter pilot, particularly within the 61st FS, and particularly by Comstock, who probably had more opportunity to know more pilots who served in the 56th during the war than anyone, save possibly Dave Schilling.
Thanks Shark, I first read about him in Robert S. Johnson's book "Thunderbolt". When someone like R.S.J. says he was a great pilot and a wild man, that says something. I linked a video with Mike Gladych in the description, it's short, but good.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Awesome, yep, that's a clip from the video from Flying Heritage Museum I was talking about. As I recall, the full interview is close to two hours long. It's an amazing interview. Unfortunately, the Flying Heritage Museum is shutting down since Paul Allen's death, and apparently they stopped hosting the video interviews. Bummer. Hopefully EAA has it, or will in the future.
Museum of Flight Digital Collections has the interview with Bunny (Harold E.) Comstock I was talking about. They also have a several-hours long nine-part interview with Hub Zemke as well, where he's talking to a producer and a Navy WWII fighter pilot (Eugene Valencia) about creating a TV show based on the exploits of the 56th FG. They kind of focus on the rivalry between the 56th and the 4th FG.
@@SharkVsTree A rivalry btw the 56th and the 4th? There shouldn't be any contest! The 56th pilots were very enamored with the Thunderbolt but 4th leadership hated the P47 and it showed. Hell, I heard Blakeslee wished he had a few Zemkes and Johnsons in the 4th.
@@nickmitsialis Yeah, it was something the producer was trying to drag out of Zemke in order to make the show they were developing more interesting. Zemke did oblige, to a degree. There was a real rivalry between the two groups, though few opportunities to affect it. Zemke clearly didn't like Blakeslee personally (thought he was a boozer who caroused with his boys way too much), though they treated each other with professional courtesy. The two groups pretty consistently had the best numbers in the 8th Air Force, and as such managed to get into scraps when alcohol was involved during leave time in London. The interviews I've heard from 56th FG pilots who mention the 4th FG do often seem to express respect for Don Gentile, though. Including Zemke.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Hey Greg, I found a transcript I had copied of that interview with Mike Gladych, if you're interested. Whoever transcribed it must have done it with software, as it's pretty clear his accent makes it pretty spotty in places, but I've got it formatted well enough, I think. Let me know if you're interested. Maybe you can share it with your Patreon folks.
The thing that weight increases best glide speed without impact to range is pretty cool.
Competitive glider pilots can load water ballast on days with good thermals, so they can get a faster average speed, without sacrificing glide distance.
Excellent tutorial as well as fascinating. Grew up in Farmingdale, NY; Grumman plant was in Bethpage just west, on the east side of my town was the Republic plant.
The best channel about warbirds.
Happy new year mate! 🍻
I've been intending to get into DCS since about 2018 when I bought a T.16000 HOTAS kit (with a keen eye also on IL42, Elite: Dangerous, maybe some MSFS or Xplane when I feel like a bit of sightseeing). The learning curve seems like more of a learning cliff for modern combat aircraft, but these P-47 videos are really getting my juices flowing (if you'll pardon the expression).
I decided to stop being a cheap pr**k and joined the Patreon to say thanks for the effort put in. I've supported various creators on and off since around the time I bought the Thrustmaster kit, and I must say I'm very impressed with the high level of communication, post/update frequency, and of course the additional Patreon-only documentation. Really a great collection of stuff, backed up by a bigly knowledgeable community of commenters. 😁
To anyone who's on the fence about joining the Patreon, do it now, you won't be disappointed. Best wishes to all for a great kickoff to 2023, cheers!
Thanks. DCS can seem overwhelming, but If you just start slow and follow the tutorials you can get through it. Plus there are plenty of people and tutorials around to help you. I might make a video about getting started in DCS and I'll keep it focused on WW2 stuff.
A pleasant video and very helpful for learning the P-47 in DCS. Much appreciated. [edit: typo]
Cool video, I like the change from the technical video's. I think your enemy in the 109 was a human pilot. Good job on the kill.
What a great video! Please do more of these types of videos.
Great vid, wish I could afford a larger Patrion payment for the vicarious fun I get from your channel! THANK YOU!
Great video Greg - informative, entertaining, and i am able to confirm goes very well with a sausage sandwich at brunchtime! More, please!
Well done Greg !
Very informative and interesting video, keep em comin Greg...👌
Greg, I’m glad you beat the Bot. HI all the way.
Tried out this server the other night after your last video. Took off, strafed a AAA, intercepted a bombing flight and took out two AI P-47Ds with my 190-D9 and landed. Very cool server! Lots to keep you occupied.
Exactly, there is just so much to do there. Sometimes it's crowded, sometimes it's not, either way there is plenty of action to be had. I'm glad you liked it.
love this dcs contents,love from Poland
If I was a Billionare I would have bought you a real p47 Greg for sure you deserve one!
Very nice! Very enjoyable! Thank you and Happy New Year!
Part 10 for the P47. You spoil me too much!
Time to rewatch the whole series again...
Nice color scheme 👍
I like it, and it's historical.
I know it. I'm ww2 aircraft enthusiasts myself, and I'm Polish.
With the screen shake around 18 minutes its because the game has some sort of issue reading zoom from the controller analogue dial. I fixed it by putting a small deadzone at my favourite zoom level, now whenever I'm in that deadzone it behaves. Also helps me find it quickly which isn't too bad either, especially without a detent on my throttle now.
Great point Olivia. I have done that and it works, but still shakes at any other zoom level. Still, great suggestion and as always I'm glad to see you here.
Oh! It's an analog axis! Yeah, it could just be noisy or possibly fighting against another analog axis on another controller (DCS loves to trap new players with that one, it tries to map everything to everything by default, virtually guaranteeing axis conflicts).
@@AdmiralQuality Its always just been the noise for me. My old controller had it bad, newer better one gets it closer to Greg's experience. All other analogue controls already used up. Plus I tend to clear all first as I make my keybinds. Adding some hysteresis would fix it instantly but I've not been able to find a program to do that and for some reason DCS hasn't in the 15 years or so it's been around.
Personally I tend to add a deadzone at 50% and 100% zoom, the two I use most, then just hope I don't get the jitters if I ever need anything between.
Greg I believe we have discovered that after repair you will continue on with a "cold start" aircraft . This is new on the server we have been flying,, WP US 2 Dynamic Base Capture Normandy . This will explain why you lost an engine after take off. Just make sure your temps are within the sweet spot as your engine warms slowly or by using oil dilution switch. But make sure to turn it off before take off. GR00VY has been advised. I hope this helps. If this has been covered already and I missed it my apologies.
Oh, that makes sense! Thanks Bishop. I did wait to warm up for a long time and eventually just gave up. It didn't occur to me that the outside air temp may have been low enough to need oil dilution. It's amazing how realistic this sim is.
Absolutely my pleasure. I am happy to help... 95% of my understanding of the War Birds and the Republic P-47D Thunderbolt/Jug in particular, is taken directly from your videos. Its been extremely satisfying to assist here and there in your in-depth study sim of these amazing and fascinating War Birds. One more thing that come to mind about the P-47 in this server has to do with server restarts, The server starts out pre dawn early morning and the landing light under the left wing is many times default deployed and the light turned on. Its a no brainer to turn it off once its no longer needed to see or once you have taken off but what is not so obvious is that the switch that controls that landing light is a 3 position toggle. On/ Off and retract. If you are in flight and your stick is shaking as if you left cowl flaps open and said cowl flaps are indeed not open the landing light is likely causing it and not retracted. A quick outside F2 view allowed in the server in question can help map out which position of the 3 way toggle shuts off the light and retracts it to its stored configuration. It can be different from case to case if its bound to a switch on a hotas or key stroke or even a button box. Let me know if this is also what you find to work.
Is there any consequence of a too low carb air temperature? At low altitudes without turbo and at cruise settings, the needle is often below the green, even with the intercoolers fully closed.
Not really. There was a chance of carb icing in some situations, but I've not heard it happening in an US injection carb, and certainly not within DCS. This was really a left over from the true carbs on airplanes which relied on a pressure drop to work. That pressure drop would cause moisture in the air to freeze up the carb under some specific conditions. cont:
I just realized you're reflected. You are doing some great work. I played through the Anton campaign twice, and I'm going through the P-47 campaign now. Next, probably F-14 campaigns in your suggested order.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles thank you for the clarification and for the kind words! I'm a big fan of your videos. Good luck with Wolfpack - I'm going through it now as well, I just got a VR headset, so it's like a childhood dream come true now :)
I absolutely live this content
I like how you said to keep intercooler shutters at neutral and explained how they work. Another DCS P-47 tutorial in youtube explains to keep them always 100% open which is incorrect.
Nearly every test of the P-47 was with the shutters in the neutral position. You may need to open them more during period of sustained high manifold pressure at altitude, but in 99 percent of DCS operations you can leave them in neutral. I wouldn't close them except during long power off decents, and even then there isn't much need to close them.
Guessing opponent was human. More dcs content please
Love your P-47 skin, mate!
As always, another great video Greg! See you over frog legs!
I'll be there later today.
If they had been available in as many numbers as the F-51s so that they could get activated, the F-47s would have been awesome CAS in the Korean War. Hell, even Vietnam.
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@@LEEGOOVER9901 When the USAAF formally became an independent branch (USAF) in 1947 all formerly "pursuit" aircraft had the "P" changed to "F" for fighter. World War 2 attack aircraft like the A-20 or A-26 were redesignated to B-20 ad B-26, which would have been confusing, but the now B-26 Invader was the only B-26 as the Marauder medium bomber had been retired.
There was something like over 5,000 P47's in Europe during the Korean War between the one's being flown and spares kept as back up's, the reason they weren't sent to Korea to be used is because the US generals that were running post war Europe didn't want to give up their favorite ground attack aircraft in the event that the Soviets did something stupid.
The age old myth that there wasn't any left when the Korean War happened because they'd all been scrapped after the war because the USAAF was in love with the P51 isn't true, they knew that sending P51's on ground attack missions was far more risky to the pilots than using P47's but they deemed that the security of Europe was far more important than keeping the Korean peninsula from falling into communist hands, and since Korea was a peninsula the Navy could launch strikes from their carriers to anywhere on it with the more survivable radial engine aircraft they had for ground attack, as far as the newly formed Air Force and it's commitment there it'd just have to make due with whatever it had available which was the F51's because their F47's were tied up standing watch in Europe.
There's a 1951 movie called Decision Before Dawn that's set in Germany during the closing day's of the war, since most of the cities in Germany at the time looked like they did in the closing day's of the war filming was done on location there, at one point in the movie German troops come under attack from P47's and unlike movies like Patton and A Bridge Too Far it's actual P47's that do the attacking instead of some other radial engine look alikes standing in for them, they were active duty USAF F47's that were used for filming and are proof that during the Korean War the USAF was still operating F47's in number's in Europe, they're acknowledged during the credits with it saying "The producer's of this film would like to thank the Department of Defense and the USAF for their assistance in the making of this film".
@@dukecraig2402 tank's for your post ☺️ that's what makes this channel even better, than it already is
P not F... what the F
Wolf Pack 02 WWII is a fantastic server. GROOVYJERRY has put together a great scenario and mission. Thanks Greg for the super video.
He really has, I never get bored there. It's also very noob friendly which I think is something DCS has sorely needed.
Looks fantastic Greg. My vote would be auto pilot. I would play this but there is no way my crappy satellite internet would support it.
Happy New Year, Greg!
I think, because of the exploits of RAF 303, Polish pilots in USAF and their achivement are largely unknown. Could you recommend book on the topic?
Really enjoyed this video, thanks so much for sharing!
Thanks Greg. Might get DCS now I built a proper machine to run it on.
Very cool video. Love the commentary
What I find interesting about gamers is that they love to be moderately near the ground where most of these planes were not at optimum altitudes and very subject to light AA. I admit that is more exciting. And of course they are lone Wolfs which in reality is not something you did unless you were on a PR bird flying low and fast over a pre-planned area. Real combat was either a furball or a bounce, in both cases a lot of other airplanes around and it was the guy you did not see was the one that usually got you. If you were chasing someone, you usually had a wingman covering you. I am sure it's fun though.
I suppose it's a question of how much realism you really want vs. fun game play. DCS allows you to have a very deep level of realism, but I don't know of anyone going all the way and risking frost bite while playing and using a relief tube.
Now if what you want is high altitude and large formations, check out Reflected Simulations Wolf Pack Campaign. It's all there.
More Greg videos after a day of reserve!
Great Video !!
I don’t know how those WW2 pilots did it, I couldn’t barely see the other plane !!
Resolution is a pretty significant limiting factor to practical vision range in video games, I think, and RUclips's compression can't help.
I wish IL-2 had this level of technical immersion
It simply doesn't, but both are good sims in their own way.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I definitely agree, especially being that I pretty much only play IL-2. I'm really looking forward to what they do next as it's being heavily rumored that they will be working on a whole new sim/engine for their next project. I hope we get all of these technical features while still giving us that awesome WW2 experience.
BTW Greg, would you mind sharing your opinion on the P-47s in DCS vs the ones in IL-2? It seems like the vast majority of us in IL-2 are sadly disappointed with our P-47.
In IL-2, I can't imagine dogfighting a Bf109 if I was flying a P-47, even if it was stripped down, 150 octane, low fuel, even removing half of the guns to save weight, etc. But if I was in a Bf109, with full fuel, even with a pylon from taking a bomb, or gunpods, I would see a P-47 as an easy kill. On top of it all, it's not really durable at all.
That was a fun watch!
Well, that was fun!
Hi Greg, why can't the prop pitch be reversed for braking in a dive? Was this arrangement ever tried in WW2?
It can be done, and it has been done. However it's tricky and can cause severe disruptions in the controls. That said, there were and are airplanes that can do this.
The biggest issues I have with DCS and warbirds is the fact that you can't set gun convergence. The default (think it's 250 m(y)) is too short for any air to ground work and I'd really like to be able to set it to 400-500m for mixed engagements (the Air-Air lethality doesn't really suffer much in IL-2 or WT at those ranges)
The second are the contact fuzes on bombs - but as far as I can see in your video - this can be dealt with
The convergence in DCS are set to the prescribed settings in the various pilot manuals, probably how 99 percent of the planes were set up. As for the fuses, the choice of fuses on the bombs is immense in DCS, I really can't ask for anything more.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I must have missed something with the bomb delay fuzes, there are forum posts from 2020 confirming that it is not possible to set delay fuzes.
Thank you for the reply and for the video, keep em coming and a happy new 2023!
Suspect human pilot in 109, cool that repairs were a problem, I need to try DCS. Will DCS work with a multi screen setup, does it have rudder controls with or without pedals?
It will work with a multiscreen, or about any screen set up you can think of.
As always you provided a lot of expert knowledge.
Gładych's name was probably commonly pronounced as you did in English, but for curiosity and future references I wanted to correct it. Gładych should be 'gwadih' with 'h' pronounced like in Halifax.
that looks like the best simulator . . . I vote live pilot in the 109
Nice video as always greg btw since you your last video about ki-84 can you also do video about J7W shinden(Magnificent Lightning) too? I saw other speak about this air craft but not much detail and none speak about spec how good or bad it was compair to late war allies air craft
I don't know, honestly the Ki-84 series has taken so long to make as compared with the number of views, I just don't think I'll do another series like it with a Japanese airplane for a while.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles that is fair it didn't got alot of view might because they are didn't got much attention as other nations well known aircraft and details are hard to find so yeah it fine
but for my options their design are interesting also i really like the ki-84 video that you did because it is one of the most details about japanese plane i ever saw youtube right now i really enjoyed watching it thank you for such a quality video
"His exploits are really legendary" He he - I see what you did there :)
Great educational content as always Greg! I have been having a go on the Wolf Pack server after watching this, thoroughly enjoyable and more accessible for less experienced players like myself. Do you have a couple of recommendations of YT creators of WW2/1 aviation content that you follow? I believe I've heard you recommend some in previous videos but I can't remember/find them.
Love your work.
I like a lot of channels, Military Aviation History comes to mind, although lately he has gone away from WW2 and is doing more current stuff. However he does have a lot of great WW2 content.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thank you kindly sir, I look forward to checking him out.
Turned it into a clipped wing P47 at the end haha
And there will be a big difference between ambient air temps at your altitude, and the temps coming from the compressed air of the turbo supercharger. The biggest reason... Compressed air will increase in temperature.
That's always a constant. The more it's compressed, the more it will heat up,
Something to consider, when attempting to control engine temps.
True, but this thing has one heck of big intercooler.
Yeah at high alt when you pulling 64" in P-47 turbo rpm always hit 22k, carb air temp always at red line with intercooler wide open. In most cases only thing what you can do is to lower turbo rpm by pulling boost lever back.
thank you
Greg! Long time lover of your ww2 content. Would love to see an overview video of the flight sims you play.
Again, I will return to IL-2 Sturmovik, at low altitudes, you are at disadvantage, but above 7000m, P47 is the king! 12.7mm feel little bit underpowered (german 20mm packs way more punch), but that issue is not so pronounced with P47. Extra ammo option was always a must for me!
It might not be the most efficient, but in WWII flight sims I always seem to come back to "as many .50s as possible!" as my preferred anti-fighter armament lol.
50cals are faster and more accurate and the sheer volume of fire means that your likely to hit and even if you miss half your shots you will still put a ton of lead into your target
@@agravemisunderstanding9668 i still prefer 20mm. The volume of fire is not all. As a sim flyer, i prefer clean and fast kill as it is very difficult to keep the target in sights for long. Usually, you only get a snapshot. The fact that usaaf switched to 20mm post war testifies to that fact.
The P-47's legendary toughness comes from it's airframe more so than its engine. P-40 was also legendarily tough.
One reason the US favoured direct air-cooled radial engines over air-water-cooled inline engines was because the absence of cooling tubes and hoses made the radial perceived as more resistant to battle damage.
@@justcarcrazy P47: have multiple oil coolers (radiators), hoses, ducts, etc.
Most of the legendary ground attack aircraft of WW2, many legendarily tough, used inline engines.
And as Greg has shown in this video and his other on navigation, if the oil radiators in the P-47 get damaged, the engine is going to quit.
In the Battle of Y29, one P-51D took off, shot down an FW190, took multiple 20mm cannon hits, including loosing oil from teh engine and losing an aileron, and still managed to shoot down 3 more Germans before landing safely.
I have a picture of P-40 that landed with a piece of another airplane lodged in it's cowl.
But if you study the P-40 and P-47 in particular, their airframes were monstrous. Overbuilt. meaning they can take a lot of hits before losing structural integrity. But that comes at eth price of weight. Drag and weight dogged the P-40, and the P-47 could have been better had it shed some weight too. But at the expense of toughness.
Where is the criticism of the Hawker Typhoon/Tempest? IL-2? Ju-87 (vulnerable, but still tough), Mosquito? Hurricane? Etc.
@@SoloRenegade Not just that! But (IF I remember my readings from Roger Freeman's writings on the 'Mighty Eighth' correctly) The P47 had so much supercharger ducting in the fuselage that, in a belly landing, it would absorb a lot of the shock and impact, that would normally get 'transmitted' into the lower legs and backs of the pilots, so more pilots would walk away from bad landings than with other Allied single engine aircraft.
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That makes sense. Those are large ducts and create a crumple zone where you need to to absorb high descent rates.
@@Triple_J.1 Yes; better a crumpled airplane than a crumpled pilot.
I guess those MG 131s are not that bad, even if it took for a while to turn this P-47 into a "slightly" war weary plane. In regards to losing sight to the ground target at the beginning - I thought that the windmill next to it was pretty good as a landmark, although I don't know the map, maybe there's more of them in the vicinity.
Did he fully open cowl flaps like he said he should when he lost oil pressure?
I said to fully open the oil cooler shutters, and yes, they were open, actually they were open the entire flight. The cowl flaps were cracked open a bit which you can see in the video.
Greetings from New Zealand 😁
I'm not sure what your screen shake is, I don't get that with TrackIR and the stock software. That's what you're using, right? You're centering the TrackIR regularly? It's not like you're butting up against the tracking limits for translation or something like that? (Maybe you have the Z translate axis turned up higher than it should be? You ideally want the head translation to match the motion you make in reality but I have noticed sometimes you seem to throw your face right into the gunsight then back into the headrest. Maybe that's just real-life seat adjustment.)
It seems to be joystick related because when I adjust the zoom on the joystick I can make it go away.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Pretty sure that's Z translation we're seeing, not Zoom. (If you were zoomed out all the way it would look fisheye and it's not even close.)
I definitely don't have any issue with hitting a maximum zoom extent with zoom mapped to controls on my stick and haven't heard of anyone else experiencing it. (I run a DCS FB group with over 10k members so I tend to be pretty tuned into the state of the sim.)
Oh! Might you have the head translation mapped and it's fighting your TrackIR? Let me see if I can reproduce that...
Nope, they don't seem to fight, instead they're cumulative (hitting Numpad F5 centers your view, I also map that to TrackIR center so both get done at the same time).
Hmmmm, not sure how that's happening but will continue to look into it. You use the stock TrackIR software, right?
Damn... can you re-arm/repair mid-mission in Sturmovik?
I don't know, I haven't flown IL2 in quite a while. I only have time for one sim and it's DCS.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Yeah... I keep almost pulling the trigger but I've sorta been trying to hold out for the Kiowa module _(my cousin flew OH-58s and I want to impress him by knowing them inside and out)_
Last I flew IL-2 multiplayer, if you manage to bring the plane back to an ally runway in relatively one piece, the server will "refund" you a new bird. "Big" servers I flew on have the following logistics system:
Starting runways have a set amount of planes per model available. They will be used up as players take off and effectively added back to inventory when landed back or lost if shot down. Players can resupply runway inventory by flying supply missions from deep within own air space and landing on desired runways.
This was fascinating.
Thanks. I wasn't sure how well this video would be received, but it seems people like it.
Wait did Greg just say that the prop controls should be its own video...Well you all know what that means. A 45min video on P-47 prop controls!!!
Question: why Did all the US fighters had "No Hand Hold" under the optics ?
Because that gunsight is very carefully adjusted, you don't want to get it out of alignment.
Greg dropping videos at midnight like he's 21 again lol
The grandkids are over, one is now a teenager, they stay up forever...
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If you're looking for an easier, simulation type game, I'd recommend Enlisted. It's like war thunder and battlefields lovechild, with flight mechanics slightly easier than war thunder. You can also tear it up in a tank or as infantry. Free to play
I'm curious what an expert on the plane thinks about the DCS P-47 .50 cal loadout. Based on available firing time and approximate ROF (and comparison with the DCS P-51) it seems the 100% loadout is somewhere around 2100 to 2400 rounds. Is this historically accurate? I see lots of literature references to 3400 rounds.
I haven't tried to figure that out.
Great video
Pilot skill biggest factor
Luck can matter
Amazing a jug can do well on the deck w a 109. At 25,000 ft a water injected jug was hard to beat
Greg: I guessed it was a human 109 pilot, but I don't recall why. This video really emphasizes the degree to which experience counts. I mean, you're a real pilot with...what, thousands of hours of flight time? You always have a backup plan, it seems. No AI algorithm can match that. As Roger Penrose says, "Consciousness is not computational." I'm not a pilot, and have never flown in simulation. But I can appreciate mastery of complex tasks with many variables. This is an awesome video! Thanks for posting it.
I think it’s a real person because I don’t think the AI would’ve allowed the P 47 to sneak up at the end. But I don’t know that much about this stuff
Great video, thanks. And Happy New Year!
I would like to know what you hardware setup is. Joystick, screen(s) and so on, please.
I think it was an AI pilot.
I'll put that into the description when I get around to it. I do want to figure out the screen shake first because while I think it's the joystick I don't want to point any fingers until I'm sure.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thank you.
You said(or wrote) that your P-47M is historically correct. Is there a particular reason why you chose Witold Łanowski`s P-47M?
He had quite an interesting life. He fought from Poland 1939 al the way to Congo in 1960. An autobiography about him has been published in 2016, but as far as I know, only in Polish: Zabierz nas do domu „Lanny”(Take us home, Lanny)
Greg, have you tried the '47 in IL2 Great Battles? It seems woefully under-modeled to me, but I am wondering what you think.
No I haven't.
Really good. Thanks. That was human
Howdy, Greg
I was just thinking the other day while playing War Thunder that the Chinese P-66 holds the early visual style of what the Corsair would eventually become. If you tweak a few design aspects of the P-66 it easily becomes a Corsair. The same can be said about the Chinese P-43A, as you can easily see design features that would quickly evolve it into what became the p-47.. I just thought that was kind of neat when I noticed it.
The P-43 was the direct ancestor of the P-47.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I figured it was, I'd just never noticed how similarly they were actually designed, and how such a minimal amount of improvements were able to gain significant performance increases. But then I can't help but ask myself "Was the P-43 worse than it should have been, or was the P-47 better than it should have been? It basically seems like they just increased the size, kept the body and wing the same "with some aerodynamic tweaks to smooth things out, and gave it a way more powerful engine. And the gains were insane over the p-43, which was basically the same plane. I'm assuming that besides the engine it had a way better supercharger system too huh?
HVZ, whose plane was that?
Johnson's was HVP so whoever HVZ was they would have been in the 61st Fighter Squadron with Johnson.
Unless you picked Z because it wasn't anyone's or was available, does the game allow you to pick whatever markings you want and can 2 people have the same markings?
Duke, I thought I talked about that in the video. It's Witold Lanowski's plane.
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Must have missed that one, I don't have a computer and I have to watch things like this on my phone and am often interrupted by a call or text message when I'm watching them.
This is off subject and applies to another video of your's, in regards to the one recently on the Japanese fighter's and their radial engine that you compared to the R2800 and others you had a partial valve timing in a document, I was going to do some math on the missing valve timing numbers which I think I can come up with based on those two and when I went to do it I saw the exhaust closing at 50° ATDC, I can't believe a boosted engine, especially one limited to that low of RPM's closes that late, a lot of the intake charge would be blowing across the top of the piston and right out the exhaust, are you sure that's right and not a misprint?
I don't have any aircraft valve timing numbers to compare it to because no matter how many places I've tried to find the valve timing for the R2800 engine I can't find it anywhere, do you have those numbers?
Hi Duke, I'm sure I have the valve timing for the R-2800 somewhere. I don't remember what they are. I do know that NACA has a study on valve overlap in supercharged engines, and they did use quite a bit. As for the Hayate's valve timing, I don't know if it's a misprint. I did put the entire factory manual for the engine high resolution, full color in the Patreon section, but it's in Japanese.
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Yea u can't believe the exhaust stays open for 50° rotation of the crank after TDC, 50° is more like what the exhaust should open before BDC for cylinder blow down on a boosted engine turning around 3,000 RPM's (neighborhood of).
One if the biggest mistake someone will make when home building a boosted engine without doing the research into it is assume that a performance cam for a normally aspirated engine will give them the same results over a stock cam for boost, then someone with a boosted engine that's running a stock cam that has the exhaust valve closing much sooner after TDC will come along and blow them away and they can't figure it out, because they don't understand that with boost you don't need the exhaust gasses pulling that vacuum behind it to scavenge the cylinder and start pulling the intake charge into it, all that happens with an exhaust that closes that late is all the charge entering the cylinder when the exhaust is still open just blows right across the top of the piston and right out the exhaust, if you look at cams that are ground for a boosted engine they have the exhaust valve closing just after TDC quite often even sooner than stock cams, I'd think that a V configuration engine like an Allison or a Merlin with that kind of exhaust timing would have 6 foot long flames coming out of each stack, unless those engine's have a super short connecting rod to stroke ratio that has the piston moving through TDC slower than any engine I've ever been around, it'd have to have a connecting rod shorter than the stroke, I've never seen that but then again the way those radial engine's have that link rod assembly system maybe the piston is just below TDC at 50° rotation of the crank after TDC, I've often wondered how much differently the cylinder with the master connecting rod runs compared to the rest in that row that have the link rods, the valve timing's the same but the cylinder with the master rod has to move it's piston through TDC and BDC at different speeds because of it's different geometry, I've always wondered if the plugs read different than the other one's when they're pulled, I've also always wondered how that cylinders timing would be affected or if somehow in the ignition system it has the provisions to run a different timing in that cylinder such as something in the distributor changes the timing for that particular cylinder.
I've looked and looked on the internet trying to find the valve timing and lift specs along with the connecting rod lengths for an R2800 so I can run the engine in software I have that I can design engine's in, the HP and torque comes out remarkably close to actual results from dyno pulls, you can even switch from crank HP to rear wheel HP with it and it'll be spot on plus it has a boost program in it that you can enter the amount of boost in, I'm dying to see how the numbers from it would compare to know numbers from the R2800 engine.
Force feedback or no force feedback?
No force feedback.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thanks! And thanks for all your terrific work!
lets goo more jug gameplay :)
Good Morning Greg 😀😊
Good Morning Chris. I'm sitting here with my Peppermint Tea going through the comments. This video is doing better than expected. :)
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles That’s Great 😀👍🏼
So in the fight with the 109, why did you leave the flaps down even when you weren't turning, such as a dive or climb?
Heat of the moment, most likely.
Task saturation, which is exactly why I said earlier to leave the oil cooler shutters open. There were times I should have retracted the flaps, and then put them back down again. However once you take battle damage that's a big risk as one flap could refuse to move, the time it takes you to figure that out and fix it will cost you the fight.
Whoa, a lot to juggle.
True, but it becomes second nature after a while.
28:15 Wait DCS actually model that now?
Yes, they update DCS all the time, it's another world from what it was just a couple years ago.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I had no idea. That is so cool.
I need to get back into flying again. Still not quite enough GPU to really run DCS where I want to, but am there in Il-2. Probably pick up one of the 4090's when they're back in stock, and we're past the Christmas bills season.
I wish the P47 in IL-2 was such a piece of shit. I have recently learned to fight the P51 and I am just loving that plane.
DCS is….what?? Like IL-2 ? Regards David. Love this channel btw. Unsensational is good.
It's a sim, like IL-2 but a bit more hard core.
Hi Greg. Great video as always. I was just wandering, how were you actually able to pull lead against the Me 109 in a turn on the deck? I understand that the P-47's turn rate is equal or better than that of the 109, but shouldn't the turn radius of the Me 109 be substantially superior here? Is this a fault in the simulation or am I not correctly understanding the physics at play? I'd imagine that it'd be you struggling to make the turn tighter due to the relatively slow speed and the heavy weight of the P-47 and not him, but it was the opposite. Shouldn't the sustained turn performance really hurt the P-47 here? Any answers are greatly appreciated!👍
Dan, great question and I should have talked about this more. The turn performance in DCS is about dead on. There are variables in turn performance and I stacked them all in my favor here. First, my flaps are at 10 degrees, that adds very little drag, but a lot of lift. This puts my stall speed below the K4's when his flaps are up giving me a higher G limit before stall, thus better instantaneous turn rates at these low speeds. My P-47 is also pretty light, I'm down to about 35-40 mins of fuel at this point in the fight with no external stores. I'm not sure about the K-4, but he is probably about the same in terms of fuel vs. time. A common mistake is to run a 47 with 2 hours worth of fuel vs. a 109 with 40mins. Last, my engine was cooled down, his wasn't thus I could run at war emergency power longer than him to overcome the drag and haul the big girl around the circle. This is all realistic. Now the 109 could play the same game, then he would come around the circle faster, I have ways to counter that, but it's another video entirely.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I see. Thanks for the explanation. Always wandered how two seemingly similar situations in aerial fighting lead to two very different outcomes with only a few changed variables.
I have a question for Greg, and everyone who might know. Why DCS and not IL2 BOS?
I have IL2 and at it’s highest settings it’s as thorough and complete as any ww2 sim ever.
Hi Mack. I'm not sure what you mean by "not IL2". I have IL2 and I have made IL2 videos in the past. However at least for the purposes of making videos about the actual airplane, DCS is better. I'm not saying it's more fun, I'm not saying it's better overall, but I am saying that for certain videos DCS is better.
Because, DCS is much more focused on airplane than other stuff. Systems simulations is beyond comparison to any other sims.
@@grafspeem9402 ok, I see. I don’t have DCS.
Cool
Fun!
Exactly, I'm trying to convey technical info in a way that that shows how much fun this stuff can be. It's not all books and numbers, it can lead to a great time and a fun hobby.