Devils brigade V42 Force Knife.
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2012
- A look at the FSSF the First Special Service Force aka "Devils brigade" a combined Canadian and United States commando unit that operated during the second world war and their fighting knife.
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Thanks for the great article, brothers from britain long ago - one went north, one went south, yanks and canadians, brothers by blood and fire.
at the time of his service with the force canadian, sergeant pat oniell was one of the deadliest hand to hand fighters in the world
This was very enjoyable to watch. I am glad to learn this knife design has so much Canadian history behind it!
Thing to add..the FSSF disbanded during the war Dec 5th 44 in Menton France..after disbandment all went back to home units...para units..some to 474th..my Uncle stayed in France to instruct in hand to hand and knife fighting techniques.
My Grandfather, R. L. Gray 2-2 KIA 21 May 1944 Anzio. Got to meet his foxhole buddy Arkie at a reunion. Arkie stated that my grandpa, known as gorilla as he was short and very stocky, preferred the knife during night ops. Arkie went on to add that grandpa was very very good at using it and was a natural, Kind of earie considering he has also been called the nicest considerate and caring man that some men had known.
@ another bullshit story from a computer warrior .. you talk shit .. different story every different video .. he must won the war by himself
Mike S he was an Original FSSF.. those originals WERE all that. You can call me a liar; if that gives you satisfaction; but every story is true. We have his original V42; he etched the battles on the scabbard; and the scabbard is COVERED. You may say anything you wish about me, you may insult me; but it doesn’t change what HE DID..
@ who was he..what regiment was he in as my Uncle from 3-3 Sgt Eugene Pelletier. Who was yours I can find out in a min.
@ pic of V42
greg brown yes; you can. He’s listed in the Burnham Blue Book. Along with Your uncle. Your cousin recently related a story about his fathers v42 and how he turned his in.
The man's name (just looked it up on the museum's site) is Herman Kasoff. He was a large, fit man who tried to enlist but had to wait to be drafted once he graduated high school. From the replacement center, he ended up in the 3rd Ranger Btn. When they were wiped out, he and the other survivors got drafted into the FSSF. He was given a V42 (reissued from a casualty) which was stolen when he was wounded for the second time in Italy by an 88 shell fragment.
He was field HQ 3-2..I read some articles he was in and the reorter got lot wrong. One the FSSF. Forefathers to GB and CSOR..not the SEALs. Couple other incorrect dates. Plus, missions of FSSF.
The British Commando's were formed in 1940, when we stood alone against the Nazis who were only 21 miles away, I liked your video, very informative, but I only knew of two Shanghai Military Policeman and they were Fairbairn & Sykes, who had already made a very similar knife during the 1930's which became the standard dagger throughout the WW2, and is still being made in Sheffield today. So many countries still issue the MK3 F&S to its soldiers and SF, that a friend bought one recently, only to find it was a copy made in Pakistan! But apart from being a copy, it's still issued to its armed forces, but he ain't the sharpest pencil in the case, so I've stopped taking the piss out of him and sent him to a shop to get the stamped MK3 with the makers name & made in Sheffield on it, keep up the good work fella and hope to watch many more of your uploads, all the best from across the pond. 👍🇬🇧🏴
I am actually a FSSF reenactor, 3rd regiment 3rd company. And a quick correction, they disbanded during the war, not after it was in December of 44' most went on to join airborne units because they were already trained in airborne assault.
My Uncle was 3-3
some of the men went to Norway, my Dad did-
@@FIORGOBASAUDEAMUS what is a 3-3?
@@johnharms6178 yes he was 3-3 Sgt Eugene Pelletier..I had 3 other relatives that served in the Brigade.
@@johnharms6178 my Uncle stayed in France to instruct in knife fighting and hand to hand.
Very cool video, and a very cool knife! And you are quite right about the field mods. It was SO dangerous that there were reports of accidental self-injury! The skull crusher pommel would snag on an unwary hand or sleeve, so they ground it down. The knife was so sharp it would on occasion stab right through the sheath into the leg! They added metal sleeves over the end of it. I've never heard of the filed down points, though. Again, thanks for the video, it IS an awesome knife!
at a recent military I got to shake the hand of a FSSF member and thanked him for his service .
My Uncle and 2 other family members were forcemen
thank you this was a pleasure to share some little known Canadain military history
Pat O'Neill was probably a member of William Fairburn's "Flying Squad" of the Shanghai Constabulary. That city in the interwar period was one of the most-violent in the world, and Fairburn himself had "been there, done that" concerning those mean streets. His specially-trained force became famous because of the methods he taught them, and of course because of the famous Sykes-Fairburn dagger, the basis for the V42 FSSF knife. Fairburn was a busy man during the war, training operatives from the SOE and OSS, as well as troops from the British Commandos, First Special Service Force, and many others. Fairburn also developed some influential and effective close-quarters shooting methods. He died in 1960, but one of his students/disciples, Rex Applegate - ultimately a U.S. Army Colonel who served in the OSS - taught these methods until his passing in 1998.
Fairburn did not train the FSSF
Very nice piece. The final quote though is not by Churchill, but by George Orwell. Look it up
I love the knife. Thanks for the video.
If that book is also your source for the comment on asking for a cigarette and then shooting the man in the face, I'd find a different book to read. Straight from a forceman I had the pleasure of meeting...I asked what they carried on their raids. He said "Oh, your weapon, your ammo belt, a stocking cap, NEVER a helmet, and you always had your knife. We seldom fired a shot with our weapons, they never even knew we were there!" He went on to describe the V42.
Own it. Love it.
I was told that they (the commandos) would burn a wine cork, and use that to camouflage all exposed skin.
Cry Havoc who told you that?
They used boot polish
@ Cry Havoc: That bit about using burnt cork is true. Back 75-80 years ago, there was nowhere near the cornucopia of tactical gear and supplies that there are now. Many militaries did not use a separate battle-dress uniform as distinct from the uniform worn in garrison, and even those that did - such as the British and American armies, did not always issue camouflage clothing or field gear.
The concern was that if either army issued camouflage battle dress uniforms, they might be mistaken for German soldiers, as the Waffen-SS was using a mottled camo pattern by then, some of the time.
Allied troops used their basic field clothing, usually tan, olive or some shade of green or green-grey, as a base and spruced it with local vegetation and daubed mud, dirt or face-black from burnt cork on themselves to break up their outline, and reduced reflected glare off their exposed skin.
Burnt cork was used to blacken skin, but when it came to uniforms, the troops sometimes had to improvise black clothing for commando raids. The U.S. Marine Raiders, in the Pacific Theater, had to use India Ink to dye utilities black for use in the field, because no one was making black field uniforms then.
An episode of "Band of Brothers" shows the use of face black; I believe it was "The Last Patrol" episode. The men are using lighters and open flames to blacken shiny metal on their rifles, and burned cork to blacken their faces or ashes from the fireplace. Things of that sort.
yes they where very effective. Thanks for watch'in
Very cool!
Good review 10/10
The original calling card "the worst is yet to come" was a sticker. They would sometimes stick it on the forehead of a dead enemy.
Good stuff.
Very interesting, most did not know. Especially the V42 knife was new to me, and I have a soft spot for Fairbairn-Sykes knives!
I will try to find the book you showed "A perfect hell"
Thanks for the good info! And now you have a fan and subscriber from Denmark!
You are about to be world famous ;-)
Was not based on Fairburn Sykes..Fredricks designed the V42 with Case. His own design
Thanks for watch'in
I don't know if you still read comments on these. If you do, there were pictures of old Forcemen at a reunion. One is identified as Sam Finn. He was my mom's cousin. He lived in St. Louis and I got to meet him before he passed away.
while an entertaining Quentin Tarantino film, I do wish they didnt have the aldo character wearing an FSSF patch. The unit existed but they went through Italy and Southern France
He did it cause he lived the SF unit..he wanted to show respect .
Nice blade.
"The Thick End is Still Coming"
Actually can be translated many different ways...why take away what the Devils used it for..thanks for disrespect
@CdnShootingChannel Thank you for watch'in.
would you recomend this knife to others? i found one for sale on a discount website and wanted to know if it was worth it. its around 20 bucks when all is said and done.
Sooo.... Uh how thick is the blade and what is it made out of where did you get it and how much was it?
"The Thick End is Still Coming", that's what it translates to on Google Translate...which would make sense, if you were talking about the knife!
Not really..it can be translated many ways..by why be disrespectful to a great force and what they translated it for..really
@Yukon12gauge Lots of our history in it Like to get an Original some day, thanks for watchin.
Its a quote from the book.
Quote from which book
Paul Chen makes an awesome repro of this knife too, has the thumb grip and everything
very interesting- I have my dad's dagger- nice weapon-
Your Dad's V42..he was a Forcemen
@@FIORGOBASAUDEAMUS yes he was. and I am very proud of him and the first special service!
Does anyone know what the photo on the cover of the book is about. Is that a German POW in front?
actually it translates to "the thick end come yet"
Yes it it was Canadians who went to save Britain not the other way around, your welcome..
Some of them where french quebecers
My first knife fight was 499 Air Force survival knife
Was looking to buy a knife that's at least 7" and is double bladed(double edged).
Did not expect to be buying a remake of something used in special forces but whatever gets the job done am i right?
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Glad you found this good info found it very insitefull myself , Thanks for watching , world famous LOL I dought the world is ready for that Hahaha
2:24 priceless
Nice reproduction of the patch
How does this one compare to the Hanwei version?
Hanwei cannot come close
600 original case knives were made in 1942. Only 600
No more then that..only around 600 or 700 numbered..more then 3,400 plus knives made..1 700 were only recorded and all others were not recorded..70 knives were sent to Brooklyn navy yard by mistake..
it's legal, just dont go around stuffing one inside your jacket or something
Really good video. I have seen inglorious basterds and wanted to know if that was actually was a brigade and it is.
M Correct, as was most of "The Devil's Brigade" movie. (Since your father was part of the FSSF, I know that I'm "preaching to the choir.") Thanks for confirming the dislike of the movie felt by Force members.
I am buying a replica of this knife but I wont lie, I feel a bit cheap. There were guys that made this knife famous, and I aint that.
Watch "The Devils Brigade"
Unfortunately, it's almost total fiction -- a smear against the US and an insult to real Forcemen.
Lot if forcemen did not like that movie.not accurate.
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Gents read the book A PERFECT HELL I can assure you the knives were well used..
@314299 Thanks Wish they'd have taught this in school I would have done a lot better LOL
Someone must know that training or can perfect it 😉
I don't believe the knife in the vid is a fairbaairn and Sykes knife. The OSS/ the colonel from the devils brigade copied the original and they were not of the Quality of the British Knife. Both were manufactured very cheaply and they are not as collectable.
18Tangles Gamer Right the first time & wrong on everything else. You're correct that it's not a F/S -- it's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. However, the V-42 wasn't a copy of the F/S -- it was an adaption made by LTC Frederick & Pat O'Neill. It wasn't "manufactured cheaply" -- exactly the opposite. Each one was hand made by Case & cost more that a F/S (especially later models). Since the quantity produced was so much less than that of the F/S, the V-42 is actually far rarer and much more collectible.
Fredricks made design himself. He wanted a better blade then Fairburn Sykes..he got it and added skull crusher..yeah way better knife.
V42 hardest knife to find..Fredricks had nothing to do with ISS..I think you are thinking about Col Banks who was OSS and started the 10th GB group.
Trash knife
Junk Repro......
Hi I used my Fairbairn/Sykes in N/I was great for killing dogs that run around in packs in the Turf/Murph,,,,,,let them jump up on you the get them by the neck and thrust the blade into its eye,,,,job done,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Trapper xxv Recce,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
"your sick see a doctor"
Why? Also dagger are perfect to deal with animal attacks.