To me this feels like a direct consequence to the completely stale meta. Since Ascent is so "figured out" they were able to basically anti-strat the meta, not so much agent-wise but play pattern-wise and came up with an anti-meta comp. I don't think this comp will become the new meta, but it shows that the Ascent meta has real weaknesses and that there are other comps that can be viable for countering it.
Love to see how far Virtyy has come, I vividly remember him farming clips on stream in ranked lobbies, then moving on to OXG Academy and now he's made it into the top 6 of Americas Ascension.
crazy how if you know the stengths and weaknesses to your comp you can really make a team comp out of anything if you're just able to play to the strengths and minimize the weaknesses
some comps can be meta for a map in general for different locations on the map and being able to do multiple things well but this comp is meta for specifically making anybody ratting in boathouse wish they hadn’t
Its more like, its hard to prep against non-meta comps cuz youve never played against it and everything is unexpected. That's one of the reasons PRX is so successful with their crazy comps. You cant prep against something you've never seen before or played against.
Love that the untraditional neon and brim picks are used to specifically punish meta strategies on this map. I hope more teams will find success with off-meta comps!
i mean, it is the same as EG vs FNC in the finals on Bind. An unusual comp is good if your team can't work with the "proper" comp. And it can even catch other teams off guard. If your IGL or Coach can't figure out how to deal with that, you r in a bad place^^
The thing is that once you get to the top everyone is just playing to the meta. So the best thing you can do is just be unconventional in your play style
i do agree that some bronze have the game sense to be at least silver but the problem with that is we dont have good mechanical skills to keep u with our game sense
Nah a bronze comp would lack key roles. It'd be like 3 duelists, sage, and a chamber. The comp fusion played isn't even bad, just a bit unconventional.
^V^) well they sure r bronze player, but not the normal one, they r the professional one. the bronze we usually met be like = 1. autolock reynas, either they talked shit on teammate, or threw the rounds.... 2. wow, so another immortal guy opened a new acc, smurfing wow 3. yeah the game is so silent, no coms, no text chat, making you wonder if you play the game or not
As an ascendant/immo player, whenever I play on lower elo (like plat/dia) I do struggle more than in my own elo. I used to attribute it to that which I don't take it serious and play way more aggresive in lower elos. It might be true to some degree but there is another fact: I do not expect what plat players will do cause they do things which all of the higher elo players would call "throwing" and rep you for sabotating the team if you do. For example they keep solo pushing when they have numbers advantage like 5v3. Or they peek out of a chokepoint smoke without using any ability so I die while waiting anti-flash. I get mad whenever I try to smurf.
That ain’t a bronze comp. They don’t even know that the controller class exists and they run Phoenix for flashes instead of breach lmao. This comp is quite balanced unlike bronze its just not the norm
The ideas would still work. The usual issue with comps like this is they're less rounded leading to them being anti-stratted with repeated use. If a crazy comp like this is used as a surprise then it could win champions.
@@emosti9652 I mean we will have to wait maybe for new agents. Even with the Chamber meta in 2022, Ascent still see this comp as a standard comp, with Omen/Astra or Sova/Fade exchange but they probably doing the same thing. Until something happens like Jett have no smoke, I guess this will remain unchanged
@@angkhoa3188 yeah the current comp is incredibly sturdy. Though, I do think cypher HEAVILY counters the current meta ascent comp for a lot of reasons and fade counters the cypher variant.
As a Bronze player, I can confirm that we all coached this Fusion when they trained for this game.
I assume you coached today's games too and I gotta say damn I don't think I'll be able to see anything anymore
As a Singapore Server iron player, yeah. We taught PRX everything they know.
As a Singapore Server ascendant player, yeah. PRX taught me everything I know.
@@keirufps As a NA Server Plat player, yeah. PRX taught me everything I know.
As a Mumbai Lobby Silver player, PRX taught me everything I know
As a EMEA server unranked player, yeah. I own prx
As a singapore bronze player, taught PRX everything they know
Never thought my bronze teammates were actually onto something.
wait. Are they into Something too? 🤨😳
@@doctorkiroit takes a demon, definitely one
@@raymondleung6522 Only if it's Less toxic than a Viper though
@@doctorkironah I’d say it’s pretty Sayf
@@mat.quantum2671 You ought to have the FINESSE to do that. Do EEIU think you're redyy?
To me this feels like a direct consequence to the completely stale meta. Since Ascent is so "figured out" they were able to basically anti-strat the meta, not so much agent-wise but play pattern-wise and came up with an anti-meta comp. I don't think this comp will become the new meta, but it shows that the Ascent meta has real weaknesses and that there are other comps that can be viable for countering it.
As a Bronze player, we scrimmed against Fusion a lot
Its the first time in history the stereotypical 5 agents werent played on Ascent.
Prx vs drx vct pacific grand finals
@@nicholaskohmusicyeah DRX won that map tho
Still played
@@adamplett2924in like triple overtime 😂 it wasn't exactly dominant
@@briankettering2889op didnt say dominant win did he
Love to see how far Virtyy has come, I vividly remember him farming clips on stream in ranked lobbies, then moving on to OXG Academy and now he's made it into the top 6 of Americas Ascension.
the simp buy needs to be normalized in pro play
I can already see PRX adopting this comp, Forsaken on Neon, Jinggg on Sage, Davai on Viper, Mindfreak on Brim, and Something on Breach,, it’s perfect
The highlight of these Ascension games are certainly the teams that run weird comps. I hope to see more of teams like Fusion and Fancy United!
crazy how if you know the stengths and weaknesses to your comp you can really make a team comp out of anything if you're just able to play to the strengths and minimize the weaknesses
to any pro teams that see this, just because the meta comp is the best comp, doesn't mean that every team can play it.
some comps can be meta for a map in general for different locations on the map and being able to do multiple things well but this comp is meta for specifically making anybody ratting in boathouse wish they hadn’t
Its more like, its hard to prep against non-meta comps cuz youve never played against it and everything is unexpected. That's one of the reasons PRX is so successful with their crazy comps. You cant prep against something you've never seen before or played against.
Love that the untraditional neon and brim picks are used to specifically punish meta strategies on this map. I hope more teams will find success with off-meta comps!
This is a comp Kami Corp would use to get 13-0d
As a colombian, I reaally thank you for taking the time to analyze this match, it was fun :D
I hope riot wont be a jerk and dont ban grim wall
oh yea i remember that one particular basketball player, The bronze game
i mean, it is the same as EG vs FNC in the finals on Bind. An unusual comp is good if your team can't work with the "proper" comp. And it can even catch other teams off guard. If your IGL or Coach can't figure out how to deal with that, you r in a bad place^^
Problem is that like we saw in the grand final the moment a good igl figures it out, it’s absolute plow town for the enemy
@@Yafama yeah and I think it's the same for this comp. They just couldn't adapt to a different playstyle
13:03 ah the classic solo duelist lurk play, the bronze players knew everything :)
Proud to be a bronze player
I have never seen double controller in bronze. I've seen 5,3and2 duelists,3and2 initiators and sentinels but never double controller.
I knew I was correct
Bronze players wouldnt do double smokes, can hardly convince someone to play controller
Exactly lmao. I haven’t even been in bronze and I know
Nah man. There's triple Sentinel, quad Controller, and of course the all Duelist comps.
@@jakelee7083lmao
As a silver player will I ascend to a pro if I start running this comp or fall back to bronze?
We need more stuff like this
wrong, the real bronze players don't use smokers, and even if they do, they don't somoke at all
Went we don't use smokes? I have a Jett every game.
I always knew we were playing the meta shit at bronze
professor weasley's back at it again with the analysis i appreciat your videos baby
Never seen double controller in bronze. Did see triple controller a few times though
I just had this same comp in bronze lmao except we had reyna instead of breach and we lost so bad
No bronze team is playing double controller or breach lol. But the sage is defo a bronze pick, and its not even for wall or slows but for the heal 😅
Real ones remember OPTIC playing Neon AND Yoru comps on Ascent
That's what we love, the creativity
The thing is that once you get to the top everyone is just playing to the meta. So the best thing you can do is just be unconventional in your play style
The chaos of Bronze.
As a silver player who plays viper on ascend I’m proud
Me trying to hype my bronze teammates.
I grit my teeth everytime commentators say barrier orb instead of wall.
TMV revealing us his true rank
i thought bronze comp was 3 duelists a chamber who cant aim and a sage?
I use brim on accent and yeah its fun to ult boat with sage orgs 😂
I didnt know virtyy was doing pro play.
i do agree that some bronze have the game sense to be at least silver but the problem with that is we dont have good mechanical skills to keep u with our game sense
Double controller in bronze? That’ll never happen
_"simp buy"_
😭
Nah a bronze comp would lack key roles. It'd be like 3 duelists, sage, and a chamber. The comp fusion played isn't even bad, just a bit unconventional.
^V^) well they sure r bronze player, but not the normal one, they r the professional one. the bronze we usually met be like =
1. autolock reynas, either they talked shit on teammate, or threw the rounds....
2. wow, so another immortal guy opened a new acc, smurfing wow
3. yeah the game is so silent, no coms, no text chat, making you wonder if you play the game or not
As an ascendant/immo player, whenever I play on lower elo (like plat/dia) I do struggle more than in my own elo. I used to attribute it to that which I don't take it serious and play way more aggresive in lower elos. It might be true to some degree but there is another fact: I do not expect what plat players will do cause they do things which all of the higher elo players would call "throwing" and rep you for sabotating the team if you do. For example they keep solo pushing when they have numbers advantage like 5v3. Or they peek out of a chokepoint smoke without using any ability so I die while waiting anti-flash. I get mad whenever I try to smurf.
Well, maybe you shouldn't Smurf then, it's shitty, I'm immortal as well and when I get frustrated I switch the game or play some unrated with friends
100T should try to nab eeiu for derrek if m80 lose
I feel like in bronze it’s hard enough to get 1 smoker. Also where’s the obligatory Reyna?
Didnt M80 do it first??
So embarassing for 00, honestly.
If you dont knoww what youre doing how can the enemy
What region is this
That ain’t a bronze comp. They don’t even know that the controller class exists and they run Phoenix for flashes instead of breach lmao. This comp is quite balanced unlike bronze its just not the norm
A simp buy lol
I m bronze and I play brim on ascent all the time.. what is meta comp? We don't care.
What in the brazillian fuck is this😭😭😭
fusion comp works because they against a braindead team.
Bruh what is this Ranked ahh comp 😂
Darker>Derke
so it's pretty much if bronze players had insane aim and good game sense? 🤭
nah this is just a tier 2 competition. I would believe this comp if FNC or EG use this to win champion
The ideas would still work. The usual issue with comps like this is they're less rounded leading to them being anti-stratted with repeated use. If a crazy comp like this is used as a surprise then it could win champions.
@@emosti9652 I mean we will have to wait maybe for new agents. Even with the Chamber meta in 2022, Ascent still see this comp as a standard comp, with Omen/Astra or Sova/Fade exchange but they probably doing the same thing. Until something happens like Jett have no smoke, I guess this will remain unchanged
@@angkhoa3188 yeah the current comp is incredibly sturdy. Though, I do think cypher HEAVILY counters the current meta ascent comp for a lot of reasons and fade counters the cypher variant.
Can we talk about how shitty the observers have been in this tourney smh
LOl frfr
xD
First and I agree
Early
First!