Seems like oikura herself went through a terrible mental breakdown for her to not know that her mother was dead the entire time. Gosh I feel so bad for her
It's probably her mind tricking itself from the madness she's experienced. Kinda like an immune system protecting you from viruses, to the point that sodachi didn't even know that her mother's already dead long time ago
I didn’t know about monogatari and I ended up watching these arcs first. It was one hell of a start, no idea who these characters where or what was going on, and it was amazing
Thats the beauty if the show altought I dont recommend watching it in this order, you can in theory but then there is an almost non existent character introduction that leave you with a lot of questionmarks in your head. The story is not presented in an chronological order (on purpose of course).
Oikura Sodachi was such a tragic character I wished what really happened to her was what she was at zoku owarimonogatari but as Thanos says it and most philosophers "Reality is often disappointing"
This is exactly what Araragi experienced. He knows the truth, but he shrugs it off because its too brutal and sad for Oikawa. He is as sharp as Hanekawa, its just that he refused to accept the truth
@@anonymousentity5106 Right. That why an oddities that came from Him said that he is too kind. Araragi probably had a good guest of what happened from the start
It's a literal parallel for Araragi's thought process. He was ignorant because he couldn't accept something that dark, meanwhile his dark underbelly's personification is the one trying to tell him the answer.
I don't get this. Surely with a rotting corpse sitting in an unventilated room for two years, there would be a smell right? I can imagine Sodachi not smelling it because of her mental illness but she lives in a council estate so there are other tenants who could smell it. Also during this arc, Sodachi mentions that social workers were going to come visit her to assess her living condition as part of her receiving welfare. This implies that they've been visiting since her mother disappeared since that's when she was receiving welfare checks. Why didn't they notice? And before anyone says it, dead things smell fucking horrific. A dead raccoon was decomposing just behind my house a few months ago and it borderline made my place unlivable from the smell.
I think she couldn't distinguish the smell of the corpse and the garbage in and outside the house and some other issues. Oikura said that the house was full and full of garbage that she couldn't even imagine to clean it, it was useless. Probs the garbage was so much that she mistook the smell of corpse with garbage. It might be explained in the novel better I guess and about the social worker one I think you misunderstood, since she said that they have been visiting her for 2 years, which is after her mother disappeared and when she came back to the araragi's town.
@@WildSoftie I don't want to sound too gross here but there is a big difference in the smell of garbage and the smell of something dead. Regardless, the smell should be noticeable by people in the estate so they should've reported it to welfare services who check up on her. Also, if they've been coming over for 2 years, that is during the time Sodachi's mother was in that room. They should've noticed the smell that you and I both agree is awful and done something at the very least. Whether or not they bothered looking into the master bedroom.
@@yoman7873 I can see that and I actually feel like it was implied in the anime because I believe they say she "maintained" the corpse. But again I don't want to sound gross but you rot from the inside out just like the outside in. She couldn't clean her organs or anything like that. Eventually it will smell. But I can see if she didn't notice because she was that mentally ill. It's just really weird that no one else smelled it. Nor did Arararararargi notice it either.
@@merlotpapi4930 sorry for late reply I don't know much about the smell of corpse so I won't speak anything about that But you seem to be mistaken, the welfare people started visiting oikura's house after she moved towns, and lived in a new house. And other thing, in the visuals(blu-ray) we were shown a frame of oikura's house from outside I first thought it was a symbolism but now when I think of it I think it meant literally Here what the frame was a small house covered by garbage all around, as if it everyone dumped garbage all around their house Though I am still very unsure and I think your opinion is more logical and scientific I think the novel would've mentioned things more clearly but I can't find English version and know japanese of a 2 grader
what does it mean if i reached this conclusion while listening to the story from oikura before ougi came and started giving hints? i had a doubt as to whether its possible for the bones to be thrown out without anyone noticing but i mostly got it right as soon as i heard it
That you are in-touch with your dark and morbid side ? Both Hanekawa and Araragi are smart enough to think of it instantly they just don't want to entertain the idea on a instinctive level, Ougi is basically Araragis shadow self and Hanekawa washed the dye out of her hair to get it, with the stripes in her hair representing the emotions and "impure" aspects of her personality she tends to suppress. Thats my take at least.
"i had a doubt as to whether its possible for the bones to be thrown out without anyone noticing" That's honestly the part that puzzles me the most. Like, how wouldn't they notice? Or did they actually notice and didn't call the police? Like, it's fucking human bones. Anybody would go "wtf why are there human bones in that room?". Oikura not noticing because the room was dark is one thing, but it seems to me it would be noticeable if you were to actually clean the damn room (since I also assume the cleaners would light up the room somehow to clean it).
@@Mercure250 if it had been a while the bones would be within clusters of other garbage I don't think they separated and organized the garbage they just picked everything up and threw it out in bundles so they probably didn't see the bones Remember the state of the house and the fact that the bones were left in open air making them loss integrity It's possible to recognize them as bones if you look closely but u need to look closely
@@rosinantedonquixotte9307 idk I think a motherfucking skull would be pretty noticeable... Or a femur, or a pelvis. Also I checked and the bones don't decompose very quickly. I'm pretty sure you could still very easily identify them as bones after two years.
@@Mercure250 bones don't decompose quickly but oikura mother stayed dead for 2 years - starvation time Plus given the mess its reasonable to assume that they was all sorts of bacteria and fungi to help make the process faster My problem was with skull but it makes sense when u add the fact the her body was so decomposed that oikura thought she vanished It's only after it was unrecognisable that oikura left If it was that disfigured and within a pile of garbage a normal worker wouldn't necessarily notice it while cleaning
![Owarimonogatari - The truth behind Sodachi's mother death [VOSTFR]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/K8mvGYd_iBc/mqdefault.jpg)
I love it when a scene has you put the pieces together along with the character
Seems like oikura herself went through a terrible mental breakdown for her to not know that her mother was dead the entire time. Gosh I feel so bad for her
It's probably her mind tricking itself from the madness she's experienced. Kinda like an immune system protecting you from viruses, to the point that sodachi didn't even know that her mother's already dead long time ago
With each reveal we discover, more painful the tragedy becomes to realise
Beatrice would be proud of this closed room.
eh its alright
I suppose
LOL
A serious lack of small bombs
I didn’t know about monogatari and I ended up watching these arcs first. It was one hell of a start, no idea who these characters where or what was going on, and it was amazing
I started at nisemonogatari I got confused as well but went with the ride since it was an interesting and unique anime
Thats the beauty if the show altought I dont recommend watching it in this order, you can in theory but then there is an almost non existent character introduction that leave you with a lot of questionmarks in your head. The story is not presented in an chronological order (on purpose of course).
Damn, this is so damn good
True anime fans will know this is one of the best scenes in anime when it comes to mystery solving.
I think Zaregoto is better
@@carloscruzgarcia3204 Zaregoto is no scene but I respect your opinion xD
@@ChillerNoKiller1 every scene in zaregoto is better* that will work then
@@kuru858same writer. Zaregoto has better mystery I can agree. Not the anime tho but the LN.
This arc shows how forgetful araragi is
Also the wooden house episode in Koyomimonogatari
@@robintrongdio9704 he is a very unreliable narrator.
Oikura Sodachi was such a tragic character I wished what really happened to her was what she was at zoku owarimonogatari but as Thanos says it and most philosophers "Reality is often disappointing"
Learning numbers with Ohino Ougi and Hanekawa Tsubasa.
3:42 Kizumonogatari call back
it always gives me goosebumps
Goosebumps right here
I already knew her mother died, but never thought of something like this fr
At first I guessed she died in that room but it's too brutal
Well...
You true and make the truth less bad in you head subconsciously
This is exactly what Araragi experienced. He knows the truth, but he shrugs it off because its too brutal and sad for Oikawa. He is as sharp as Hanekawa, its just that he refused to accept the truth
@@anonymousentity5106 Right. That why an oddities that came from Him said that he is too kind. Araragi probably had a good guest of what happened from the start
@@liliumvonschneriss6923 if Ougi knew, that means Araragi too. So he abandoned the thought because it was too brutal since the very beggining
This scene hits different when Owari 2 hits just bc Ougi is here
for god's sake you're right...
It's a literal parallel for Araragi's thought process. He was ignorant because he couldn't accept something that dark, meanwhile his dark underbelly's personification is the one trying to tell him the answer.
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1:28 the moment when I get it
araragi's greatest regret, the one person he failed to save...
all i got from this is learning how to pronounce numbers in japanese
I got the answer already after hint 2 when Hanekawa answered Araragi
IM got that answer in Hunt 7
I don't get this. Surely with a rotting corpse sitting in an unventilated room for two years, there would be a smell right? I can imagine Sodachi not smelling it because of her mental illness but she lives in a council estate so there are other tenants who could smell it. Also during this arc, Sodachi mentions that social workers were going to come visit her to assess her living condition as part of her receiving welfare. This implies that they've been visiting since her mother disappeared since that's when she was receiving welfare checks. Why didn't they notice? And before anyone says it, dead things smell fucking horrific. A dead raccoon was decomposing just behind my house a few months ago and it borderline made my place unlivable from the smell.
I think she couldn't distinguish the smell of the corpse and the garbage in and outside the house and some other issues. Oikura said that the house was full and full of garbage that she couldn't even imagine to clean it, it was useless. Probs the garbage was so much that she mistook the smell of corpse with garbage. It might be explained in the novel better I guess
and about the social worker one I think you misunderstood, since she said that they have been visiting her for 2 years, which is after her mother disappeared and when she came back to the araragi's town.
@@WildSoftie I don't want to sound too gross here but there is a big difference in the smell of garbage and the smell of something dead. Regardless, the smell should be noticeable by people in the estate so they should've reported it to welfare services who check up on her. Also, if they've been coming over for 2 years, that is during the time Sodachi's mother was in that room. They should've noticed the smell that you and I both agree is awful and done something at the very least. Whether or not they bothered looking into the master bedroom.
@@merlotpapi4930 Maybe Oikura was bathing her mother's corpse daily so the corps didn't smell that bad but that is just my guess.
@@yoman7873 I can see that and I actually feel like it was implied in the anime because I believe they say she "maintained" the corpse. But again I don't want to sound gross but you rot from the inside out just like the outside in. She couldn't clean her organs or anything like that. Eventually it will smell. But I can see if she didn't notice because she was that mentally ill. It's just really weird that no one else smelled it. Nor did Arararararargi notice it either.
@@merlotpapi4930 sorry for late reply
I don't know much about the smell of corpse so I won't speak anything about that
But you seem to be mistaken, the welfare people started visiting oikura's house after she moved towns, and lived in a new house.
And other thing, in the visuals(blu-ray) we were shown a frame of oikura's house from outside
I first thought it was a symbolism but now when I think of it I think it meant literally
Here what the frame was
a small house covered by garbage all around, as if it everyone dumped garbage all around their house
Though I am still very unsure and I think your opinion is more logical and scientific
I think the novel would've mentioned things more clearly but I can't find English version and know japanese of a 2 grader
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What if i tell you monogatari is better than one piece
id agree
You would state the obvious
Actually, every anime that has a closed story is better than one piece - that one is on par with turkish dramas.
what does it mean if i reached this conclusion while listening to the story from oikura before ougi came and started giving hints?
i had a doubt as to whether its possible for the bones to be thrown out without anyone noticing but i mostly got it right as soon as i heard it
That you are in-touch with your dark and morbid side ? Both Hanekawa and Araragi are smart enough to think of it instantly they just don't want to entertain the idea on a instinctive level, Ougi is basically Araragis shadow self and Hanekawa washed the dye out of her hair to get it, with the stripes in her hair representing the emotions and "impure" aspects of her personality she tends to suppress. Thats my take at least.
"i had a doubt as to whether its possible for the bones to be thrown out without anyone noticing"
That's honestly the part that puzzles me the most. Like, how wouldn't they notice? Or did they actually notice and didn't call the police?
Like, it's fucking human bones. Anybody would go "wtf why are there human bones in that room?". Oikura not noticing because the room was dark is one thing, but it seems to me it would be noticeable if you were to actually clean the damn room (since I also assume the cleaners would light up the room somehow to clean it).
@@Mercure250 if it had been a while the bones would be within clusters of other garbage
I don't think they separated and organized the garbage they just picked everything up and threw it out in bundles so they probably didn't see the bones
Remember the state of the house and the fact that the bones were left in open air making them loss integrity
It's possible to recognize them as bones if you look closely but u need to look closely
@@rosinantedonquixotte9307 idk I think a motherfucking skull would be pretty noticeable...
Or a femur, or a pelvis.
Also I checked and the bones don't decompose very quickly. I'm pretty sure you could still very easily identify them as bones after two years.
@@Mercure250 bones don't decompose quickly but oikura mother stayed dead for 2 years - starvation time
Plus given the mess its reasonable to assume that they was all sorts of bacteria and fungi to help make the process faster
My problem was with skull but it makes sense when u add the fact the her body was so decomposed that oikura thought she vanished
It's only after it was unrecognisable that oikura left
If it was that disfigured and within a pile of garbage a normal worker wouldn't necessarily notice it while cleaning
which owarimono ep is this?
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