MAS is a canadian airsoft company, for the price you absolutely cannot get better internals (at least in Canada) and the owner is awesome, for me they would be between A and S-tier if they made more stuff than just m4 and one ak they would be S-tier.
Thanks for the information. I hadn't heard of them before. I don't think I've seen any of their parts in Japan but the next time I do an M4 built I'll keep an eye out for their parts.
If I have to choose between BOLT and Ares Scar SC, which one is the best? Is ARES Scar SC so bad? As in your video, for ARES, it is best to ask about specific model. Thank you very much
I don't have much experience with Ares, Scott has more knowledge than me. I have a bolt mp5 and it's great. I love the recoil, especially with an 11.1 battery.
E&L (Essential) has the best AK platform if you are searching for the perfect AK AEG. I have E&L Essential AK-74N with Vector Optics Red Dot (SVD PSO-1 style red dot). It's fucking work horse. Exterior is made from steel and wood and hop-up is metal. There is no plastic anywhere. I have been in military and when I say you can use it as shovel... I mean it. Way better than CYMA. Retailer was him self surprised about the specs of E&L, and every one else in field have asked me to test my gun and they have been surprised that it was not CYMA.
@@gfx260 i did. The edge 2.0 series. Im very happy with how it performs out of the box. Only played about 6 skirms with it, though. Only gripe is that it doesn't hop .28 very well. Below is no problem and shoots like a laser
We don't have them in japan so I can't really comment my opinion. But I've talked to lots of people about specna arms and they seem to be great value for money. The novritsch stuff seems controversial. Some people love it while others say they are unreliable and are overpriced for what your getting.
@@EdduardoLD check out my friend op.homer on Instagram. He's a specna arms expert and will be able to answer any of your questions. For Noviritsch check out Foxgreen. He's an expert on them
@defrowe airsoft what would be your recommendation for a first time airsofter who is willing to spend around 300 for a gun alone ? I was thinking something like maple MAS Maruder or the CYMA Plat m4s? Would love to get your opinion on this.
Ive watched three tier lists so far and no one mentioned Novritsh. i am getting ready to buy 2 or 3 Novritsh guns but I am still not sure of their reliability and would like to see where they fall on the list before I commit.
I've heard good and bad things about them. I haven't used them though because they aren't really available in Japan. Basically they come pre upgraded which means you can use them in games straight out of the box. But I've heard they have some quality control issues. Maybe start with one gun and take it from there.
can you please add zion arms, lancer tactical to the list when ever you guys do another list. im very new to airsoft. but me and my buddies are looking for a new hobbie. i been binged watching airsoft videos, searching thru various sites, studying and planning my future builds hoping to set my team up for milsim west by next year.. lol thanks for the videos guys. very sick to get info and history lessons on current and past direction of airsoftology.
Thanks for the great comment. Welcome to airsoft. You'll have a lot of fun and never have any money again lol. Sure, I'll add those companies to the list when I make a new video.
@@defroweairsoft Are they any good? I'm trying to get into airsoft but am not completely sure if they are. atm I'm planning on getting an AEG-CM028S AK-47
Lct saying their aegs are just shells to upgrade is wild. Idc how well its made. I bought a 7.62 wasr 10 for 400 dollars 10 years ago. That includes dumb 2a taxes etc. Theres no reason why the a quality shell should cost more than 250.
@defroweairsoft thats the real problem with tm or most airsoft companies in america. People in slave states cant buy real steel so 600 for a tm isnt a bad deal. I cant get most of my friends to play when they see the sticker price. Why pay 400 for a krytac when you can get a used gl0ck for like 250
@defroweairsoft speaking of strictly the american market. Its not necessarily more expensive than any other hobby to play airsoft. It comes down to toy vs real deal. I think the markup needs to come down to see americas gun culture take part in airsoft. There's no reason palmetto state armory can make a ar for 400 dollars in america but a Chinese toy is 450
@jimmyh6579 yeah, airsoft seems popular in countries that don't have access to guns. Also, about price i know it sounds strange but some airsoft guns are more complicated that real guns since they have hpa engines, electric triggers, mosfets, optical sensors, electric blowback, the new guns are basically computers. Taking apart an ngrs m4 vs a real m4 is considerably harder lol.
@@defroweairsoft They make the UTR45 and quite a few M4s along with the new Finnish Sako sniper. For what the guns offer at the price point, they're the best bang for buck currently on offer. They're based out of Xiamen in China.
Yeah, I was surprised they weren't on the list either. I used an existing tier list that had already been made by someone else. We can try to include them next time we do a tier list.
VFC in the UK and majority of EU are genuinely crap, I've seen so many of their gearbox shells warped, pistols shredding so fast that they might only last a month to they ambi fire selectors being so loose that you think it might fall off and on top of that their receivers cracking.
@@defroweairsoft stock, for example had friends vfc 417 and that thing was so bad inside. Gearbox was not even flat and little bit warped in a middle so shimming it was a nightmare
APS is just a brand that I can't see anywhere besides dumpster fire. Their older AEGs were bad, the newer ones (the silver edge series) are so bad that you literally can't fix them without milling the gearbox for an hour. Sure, the cam870 was well received but it's just about the only popular APS that people liked and even that thing didn't consistently work out of the box. I've owned four aps, two gbb pistols and two aegs, and not one was in working order out of the box. Proprietary parts, poor quality materials, and between myself and most people I know who own one, consistently non-functional replicas in the box (non-functional is an exaggeration, more like not fieldable). Valken on the other hand I don't think deserved the dumpster fire. I fondly remember their alloy series that more or less premiered the microswitch mosfet, although I have to admit the newer ASLs are barely viable. I did enjoy the video a lot, but I feel like a lot of it was based a lot on collector views and how much you liked certain specific replicas. Which makes a lot of sense, but it was a little hard for me to really understand how you got to certain points of view, since some picks (like Krytac) were based more on the value proposition of replicas, while others (Systema, Real Sword, etc.) were based more around the "clout" of the brand. Still, I enjoyed the video. It was fun and relaxing to kind of just listen to. But also, what about all the up and comer brands that are reshaping the landscape of airsoft at the moment? Where were brands like Double Eagle, Army Armament, KJW, and no mention of Cyma plats? Honestly, I'd want to see two separate tier lists, one for the brand clout and one for the value proposition and quality of their products and this definitely isn't just a thinly veiled attempt to get Defrowe and USAirsoft to make more content together.
Dude, thank you so much. That's great feedback! Very well written too. I simply used these brands because it was a pre-made tier list and had brands that both of us knew. In Japan we don't have a lot of airsoft brands to be honest, just a lot of Marui. There are others but they can be expensive and hard to find. You seem very knowledgeable about this. Would you like to come on the podcast? We could do a follow up video to this.
@@defroweairsoft @Defrowe Airsoft If you're open to having someone like me on there, I would absolutely love that. That said, I don't know if I'm really qualified, as I've only really been in the hobby actively for about three years and I don't even get to play that regularly. Actually, there's quite a lot of reasons for you not to have me on, as I live in Germany so there's legal and import barricades that stop me from getting experience with a lot of these brands; my knowledge is pretty much limited to entry level replicas, hence why I know a fair bit about many brands that make AEGs in that range but I know very little about brands like real sword and systema. Oh and I use reddit, I think that point speaks for itself. Point being, if you're still happy to have me for a guest, I'd absolutely love that, but it may be in your best interest to ignore me lol. I'm certainly a bit starstuck though. Thanks for the reply!
Yeah, I used a pre-made tier list. Those brands weren't included on it. I can definitely include them on the next video though. What's the reasoning for krytac？I usually hear nothing but good things about them.
@@defroweairsoft there isn't anything hugely wrong with krytac guns (some would say that certain proprietary bits are an issue but I don't really care), the issue is with their price. They are far too expensive for what they are and the amount of good things you here are probably because people won't shut up about them to try and justify the amount of money they dropped on it. Very nice quality externals but put next to a cyma blue edition for example they are equal, internally they are very basic (they do have a mosfet but it's the most basic £2 mosfet you can get, it's more to prolong the life of your contacts than for any performance). I fact they feel and perform about as good as cyma blue edition stuff, yet they cost double. I have and use a krytac myself but only because I got a crazy deal on it, definitely not worth the asking price in this current market. As for vfc (more so their aeg's), cost a lot, nice externals, gears are made of cheese, not worth asking price in current market.
Tbh im glad lct thats there model because r hop, brushless motor and mosfett. Then who cares lol. I do wish this tier list was more just who makes the best airsoft replicas for a game. Not what theyve done in the past or for the sport. Just saying because people just want to know that
Yeah, that's what I was planning for the podcast but the discussion became what the companies had done in the past. I'll try to make another video that explains the current top tier manufacturers
I don't think they have ever opened up a gear box before, maybe this is just an "out of the box" tier list but I'd also include durability, how easy is to upgrade, externals etc
Great feedback man. VFC have some great gas blowbacks. I think VFC didn't get a great score because of how they approach their production iteration and compatibility. Yeah, TM should be S tier. I don't have any information about KWA because we don't use them in Japan.
The cyma platinums are sraight garbage. Mosfets will melt overtime, especially with 11.1vs, trigger safety broke very easily, and just a horribly done series overall. Also the ETU is well known for failing along the mosfet. The whole gun will melt.
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Loved that you ranked CYMA S-tier! They used to just make Tokyo Marui clones but now their latest Platinum models are really exciting.
Yeah they have come a long way and are really showing some innovation now
CYMA should be in B tier personally
@@brimalloy1487 ok cool. What's your reasoning?
they are so good
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MAS is a canadian airsoft company, for the price you absolutely cannot get better internals (at least in Canada) and the owner is awesome, for me they would be between A and S-tier if they made more stuff than just m4 and one ak they would be S-tier.
Thanks for the information. I hadn't heard of them before. I don't think I've seen any of their parts in Japan but the next time I do an M4 built I'll keep an eye out for their parts.
@@defroweairsoft unfortunately they dont sell their parts on their own, they only do full builds
@@hellfirescorpion4790 ah ok cool. Thanks for letting me know
If I have to choose between BOLT and Ares Scar SC, which one is the best? Is ARES Scar SC so bad? As in your video, for ARES, it is best to ask about specific model. Thank you very much
I don't have much experience with Ares, Scott has more knowledge than me. I have a bolt mp5 and it's great. I love the recoil, especially with an 11.1 battery.
E&L (Essential) has the best AK platform if you are searching for the perfect AK AEG. I have E&L Essential AK-74N with Vector Optics Red Dot (SVD PSO-1 style red dot). It's fucking work horse. Exterior is made from steel and wood and hop-up is metal. There is no plastic anywhere. I have been in military and when I say you can use it as shovel... I mean it. Way better than CYMA. Retailer was him self surprised about the specs of E&L, and every one else in field have asked me to test my gun and they have been surprised that it was not CYMA.
Yeah they are great. I'll make sure to give them more screen time in the next tier list
I Would really love your opinion on Specna Arms as a reference on this current list.
Thanks man. I've heard some good things about them. I'll try to include them in the need list
Did you end up buying a specna?
@@gfx260 i did. The edge 2.0 series. Im very happy with how it performs out of the box. Only played about 6 skirms with it, though. Only gripe is that it doesn't hop .28 very well. Below is no problem and shoots like a laser
Army Armament, KJW, Novritch, Polarstar, Wolverine, Modify, Specna Arms - you see me?
Good point. I used a pre-made tier list. I'll make sure to add these if I do it again.
Nov makes shit copies that break when you pull the trigger wrong
@@bigguy2-8 Can you prove it with a video or something else?
I was curious about Army Armaments too
@@cheapeatsasia yeah, I haven't used that brand because it's no available in Japan. Is it only in the USA?
What do you think about novritsch? and specna arms?
We don't have them in japan so I can't really comment my opinion. But I've talked to lots of people about specna arms and they seem to be great value for money. The novritsch stuff seems controversial. Some people love it while others say they are unreliable and are overpriced for what your getting.
Oh i see
Its because in mexico, the specna arms, novristch and cyma are the most abundants but novristch its more expensive than specna
@@EdduardoLD check out my friend op.homer on Instagram. He's a specna arms expert and will be able to answer any of your questions. For Noviritsch check out Foxgreen. He's an expert on them
i will wacht it , but in which tier would rank the specna arms?@@defroweairsoft
@@EdduardoLD probably a or b
Asahi, Shoei, RWA, Silverback, Tanio Koba, Maruzen, Mapple Leaf, Slong, Action Army, etc...
Haha wow there are some classic names there. I do love my hopless (without hop) maruzen mp5ks.
I want to get a good looking aeg Al but with decent internals , what brand and ak do you guys recommend
Hit up @gnasher airsoft on Instagram. He's my ak expert.
@@defroweairsoft sweet thank you my man
As the owner of a newly acquired Arcturus replica, you hit the nail right on the head with your prediction
Thanks man. Honestly, I don't even remember what we said. We filmed this ages ago
@@defroweairsoft something about them being brand new, but showing a lot of promise
@defrowe airsoft what would be your recommendation for a first time airsofter who is willing to spend around 300 for a gun alone ? I was thinking something like maple MAS Maruder or the CYMA Plat m4s? Would love to get your opinion on this.
I don't have experience with MAS but Cyma platinum are apparently pretty good.
is Specna Arms not a thing is the US?
It's not a thing in Japan. I've seen them increase in popularity recently. This was a pre-made list. It seems specna wasn't around when it was made.
What's your take on Specna Arms new-ish line up?
I haven't used them yet. Since they aren't really on japan. But I've heard good things from people I respect.
Ive watched three tier lists so far and no one mentioned Novritsh. i am getting ready to buy 2 or 3 Novritsh guns but I am still not sure of their reliability and would like to see where they fall on the list before I commit.
I've heard good and bad things about them. I haven't used them though because they aren't really available in Japan.
Basically they come pre upgraded which means you can use them in games straight out of the box. But I've heard they have some quality control issues. Maybe start with one gun and take it from there.
Is airsoft gun from JG works brand worth the money?
I haven't seen jg in a while. They were popular 20 years ago. I wouldn't buy them now.
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I just bought a valken mod m
What did you think?
@@defroweairsoft it’s really good it’s my first gun other than a spring pistol
@@defroweairsoftI have a Valken asl Romeo and it works great!
can you please add zion arms, lancer tactical to the list when ever you guys do another list. im very new to airsoft. but me and my buddies are looking for a new hobbie. i been binged watching airsoft videos, searching thru various sites, studying and planning my future builds hoping to set my team up for milsim west by next year.. lol thanks for the videos guys. very sick to get info and history lessons on current and past direction of airsoftology.
Thanks for the great comment. Welcome to airsoft. You'll have a lot of fun and never have any money again lol. Sure, I'll add those companies to the list when I make a new video.
@@defroweairsoft thank you brother. I subscribed, we be keeping an eye towards your future videos. keep up the great work.
@@DannyD-vw9vv thanks man. I appreciate that so much 🙏
The last time I played airsoft, KWA was a good brand. what happened?
They are still good. They are always coming out with interesting stuff
An opinion on novritsch would be interesting. They are claiming a lot recently. May be there will be a v2 of this :D
Yeah we should do V2
where is specna arms?
There weren't on the list. It was a pre-made one from a few years ago.
ah ok... id love to see another one, but make sure you include specna!
Yeah I'll update it for 2024
when will we see that 👀
Please start including Noveritch as a brand, A LOT of beginners are looking at it
Yeah I'll include it in the next tier list I do.
Its just CYMA Platinum that costs 2x Much.
CYMA is now the new standard of airsoft.
It kinda seems that way
You guys forgot golden eagle
Good point. I'll add them to the next video
@@defroweairsoft Are they any good? I'm trying to get into airsoft but am not completely sure if they are. atm I'm planning on getting an AEG-CM028S AK-47
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Yeah, Scott was recording from his car
I had a real sword type-56, someone stole it out of my house while I was working.
Damn that sucks. Sorry buddy
Lct saying their aegs are just shells to upgrade is wild. Idc how well its made. I bought a 7.62 wasr 10 for 400 dollars 10 years ago. That includes dumb 2a taxes etc. Theres no reason why the a quality shell should cost more than 250.
Yeah pretty much
@defroweairsoft thats the real problem with tm or most airsoft companies in america. People in slave states cant buy real steel so 600 for a tm isnt a bad deal. I cant get most of my friends to play when they see the sticker price. Why pay 400 for a krytac when you can get a used gl0ck for like 250
@jimmyh6579 yeah airsoft isn't cheap. I remember when I started playing my whole team was investment bankers lol
@defroweairsoft speaking of strictly the american market. Its not necessarily more expensive than any other hobby to play airsoft. It comes down to toy vs real deal. I think the markup needs to come down to see americas gun culture take part in airsoft. There's no reason palmetto state armory can make a ar for 400 dollars in america but a Chinese toy is 450
@jimmyh6579 yeah, airsoft seems popular in countries that don't have access to guns. Also, about price i know it sounds strange but some airsoft guns are more complicated that real guns since they have hpa engines, electric triggers, mosfets, optical sensors, electric blowback, the new guns are basically computers. Taking apart an ngrs m4 vs a real m4 is considerably harder lol.
I personally think valken is not TERRIBLE like starter wise its not a bad option
Yeah lots of fields use them for rentals. They are fine as a starter.
DE airsoft has been forgotten
Lol what's that? I've never heard of them. I don't think I've seen their stuff in Japan. Are they are a manufacturer?
@@defroweairsoft They make the UTR45 and quite a few M4s along with the new Finnish Sako sniper. For what the guns offer at the price point, they're the best bang for buck currently on offer. They're based out of Xiamen in China.
@@HashishTV interesting. Thanks for the information. I'll check them out
i swear no one ever mentions the new DE replicas even tho they are really good
@@irishcarscene5532In Poland they are everywhere - literally the only replica that is recommended as a starter
A gripe I have with lct is the motor is god awful. Even budget guns like cyma Ak's have ht neo motors.
Is that the same for all LCT or only on a limited number of models?
Cybergun?
Yeah, I was surprised they weren't on the list either. I used an existing tier list that had already been made by someone else. We can try to include them next time we do a tier list.
VFC in the UK and majority of EU are genuinely crap, I've seen so many of their gearbox shells warped, pistols shredding so fast that they might only last a month to they ambi fire selectors being so loose that you think it might fall off and on top of that their receivers cracking.
Interesting. Is this stock or after upgrades?
@@defroweairsoft stock, for example had friends vfc 417 and that thing was so bad inside. Gearbox was not even flat and little bit warped in a middle so shimming it was a nightmare
@@defroweairsoft VFC is completly overrated/overprized, the externals are amazing, but the internals are crap, gears break, shells break...
@@fubene5495VFCs AEGs are crap, but their GBBRs have awesome Internals and Externals.
Umbrella Armory is S tier. How can it be C? The quality they have is top tier 😊
The rating took into account multiple factors, quality was one of them.
WHERE'S GHK????
I used a pre-made tier list. I'll make my own next time and make sure to add them.
@@defroweairsoft take you're time with it
APS is just a brand that I can't see anywhere besides dumpster fire. Their older AEGs were bad, the newer ones (the silver edge series) are so bad that you literally can't fix them without milling the gearbox for an hour. Sure, the cam870 was well received but it's just about the only popular APS that people liked and even that thing didn't consistently work out of the box. I've owned four aps, two gbb pistols and two aegs, and not one was in working order out of the box. Proprietary parts, poor quality materials, and between myself and most people I know who own one, consistently non-functional replicas in the box (non-functional is an exaggeration, more like not fieldable).
Valken on the other hand I don't think deserved the dumpster fire. I fondly remember their alloy series that more or less premiered the microswitch mosfet, although I have to admit the newer ASLs are barely viable.
I did enjoy the video a lot, but I feel like a lot of it was based a lot on collector views and how much you liked certain specific replicas. Which makes a lot of sense, but it was a little hard for me to really understand how you got to certain points of view, since some picks (like Krytac) were based more on the value proposition of replicas, while others (Systema, Real Sword, etc.) were based more around the "clout" of the brand. Still, I enjoyed the video. It was fun and relaxing to kind of just listen to.
But also, what about all the up and comer brands that are reshaping the landscape of airsoft at the moment? Where were brands like Double Eagle, Army Armament, KJW, and no mention of Cyma plats? Honestly, I'd want to see two separate tier lists, one for the brand clout and one for the value proposition and quality of their products and this definitely isn't just a thinly veiled attempt to get Defrowe and USAirsoft to make more content together.
Dude, thank you so much. That's great feedback! Very well written too. I simply used these brands because it was a pre-made tier list and had brands that both of us knew. In Japan we don't have a lot of airsoft brands to be honest, just a lot of Marui. There are others but they can be expensive and hard to find.
You seem very knowledgeable about this. Would you like to come on the podcast? We could do a follow up video to this.
@@defroweairsoft @Defrowe Airsoft If you're open to having someone like me on there, I would absolutely love that.
That said, I don't know if I'm really qualified, as I've only really been in the hobby actively for about three years and I don't even get to play that regularly. Actually, there's quite a lot of reasons for you not to have me on, as I live in Germany so there's legal and import barricades that stop me from getting experience with a lot of these brands; my knowledge is pretty much limited to entry level replicas, hence why I know a fair bit about many brands that make AEGs in that range but I know very little about brands like real sword and systema. Oh and I use reddit, I think that point speaks for itself.
Point being, if you're still happy to have me for a guest, I'd absolutely love that, but it may be in your best interest to ignore me lol. I'm certainly a bit starstuck though. Thanks for the reply!
no DE, golden eagle, specna just to name a few?
also quite how krytac and vfc arent in "overpriced/overrated" i have no idea
Yeah, I used a pre-made tier list. Those brands weren't included on it. I can definitely include them on the next video though. What's the reasoning for krytac？I usually hear nothing but good things about them.
@@defroweairsoft there isn't anything hugely wrong with krytac guns (some would say that certain proprietary bits are an issue but I don't really care), the issue is with their price. They are far too expensive for what they are and the amount of good things you here are probably because people won't shut up about them to try and justify the amount of money they dropped on it. Very nice quality externals but put next to a cyma blue edition for example they are equal, internally they are very basic (they do have a mosfet but it's the most basic £2 mosfet you can get, it's more to prolong the life of your contacts than for any performance). I fact they feel and perform about as good as cyma blue edition stuff, yet they cost double. I have and use a krytac myself but only because I got a crazy deal on it, definitely not worth the asking price in this current market.
As for vfc (more so their aeg's), cost a lot, nice externals, gears are made of cheese, not worth asking price in current market.
@@clockwork6966 thanks man. That's really detailed feedback.
Tbh im glad lct thats there model because r hop, brushless motor and mosfett. Then who cares lol. I do wish this tier list was more just who makes the best airsoft replicas for a game. Not what theyve done in the past or for the sport. Just saying because people just want to know that
Yeah, that's what I was planning for the podcast but the discussion became what the companies had done in the past. I'll try to make another video that explains the current top tier manufacturers
I don't think they have ever opened up a gear box before, maybe this is just an "out of the box" tier list but I'd also include durability, how easy is to upgrade, externals etc
for instance, vfc you NEED to remove all the internals to have something that is good but they have very good externals so idk
Yeah it was a more out of the box tier list
Yeah that's the general consensus
Bro why you do vfc like dat they have the best of the best gbbrs and TM belongs in S tier with vfc and KWA belongs in A tier so does ASG
Great feedback man. VFC have some great gas blowbacks. I think VFC didn't get a great score because of how they approach their production iteration and compatibility. Yeah, TM should be S tier. I don't have any information about KWA because we don't use them in Japan.
@@defroweairsoftwhy don’t they use them in Japan ?
cyma in S tier is heavily overrated.
It was more for what the company has done for the sport instead of their individual quality
Ukarms!!!
I'll try to talk about them more next time
Where tf is the goat UK ARMS???!!!
Who are they?
@@defroweairsoft they’re absolute legends
The cyma platinums are sraight garbage. Mosfets will melt overtime, especially with 11.1vs, trigger safety broke very easily, and just a horribly done series overall. Also the ETU is well known for failing along the mosfet. The whole gun will melt.
Interesting. Most people sing their praises. I'd like to check one out myself but they aren't really sold here.
ICS ARE GREAT...G&P IS TOP GEAR ALSO GREAT GUNS..CYMA??😮😅
I think cyma getting S rank was for them as a company and what they have done for the sport not necessarily their quality 🤔
G&G PCC9 is a beautiful peace but wtf is Dboys lol
Yeah dboys is pretty old now. You don't see it much anymore.