@@perz400 I would say yes, and the Challenger also has a cylinder deactivation. As long as you do not call up any power you are partly with a 4 cylinder on the road. Of course, such a large displacement always has a high basic consumption, but this can be pushed down a lot thanks to modern technology and a relaxed Foot
Pagani did it first with the Zonda. Though there's a big difference between a small boutique Italian manufacture that sells multi-million dollar rolling art pieces and a large corporate entity that's running a platform left over from the Daimler takeover from the 90s.
@@NXT_LVLThere’s also a huge difference in selling to the common person and selling to the oil barons that exploit human lives. Nobody cares about Pagani.
It was a cool story. And the story about the man is true. Unfortunatly the story about the car is not. Its one of the biggest scams in automotive history. Really sad.
The upgrade is pretty reasonable price wise from Dodge. They should not have built this special edition with all seasons, as they offer a better tire from the factory.
To answer your question does the Black Ghost belong in the last call lineup? ABSOLUTELY!!! This car was a Detroit street racing legend and as far as I know, undefeated and the original car still runs well and all original.
I rented a Charger Scat Pack WB on vacation last year. It was an absolute blast to drive. My goal is to try and rent a Hellcat this year. However, if I had to chose between a Scat Pack and Hellcat for myself, I'd choose the Scat. The Hellcat has outrageous power that is no doubt fun, but I feel like the Scat Pack was the perfect amount of power for the street. I was able to keep it in Track mode and I always felt in control of the car. I could break it loose if I wanted, but it wasn't losing traction at speed like in this video lol. And it was still plenty fast. Best case scenario would be a Scat Pack daily and a Hellcat for the weekend!
@@defyyourlogic487 I mean it's all subjective. I enjoyed the Scat in a different way than you enjoy your 240i. I don't race, it was more about the experience. I've driven other performance cars, but the V8 sound and big body of the Charger checked the boxes for me.
I guess some people like this but IMO I think a more "balanced" ride is more fun on the street. My c6z06 with 505hp was just about as perfect as I've driven. Well maybe my 350z or '05 Mustang (after installing an Eibach suspension). The problem with all that power is the constant throttle modulation as you attempt to keep traction. But hey, drive what you think is the most fun for you!!
I don’t see how you can compare this to a gt500. Hellcats are pretty much meant to do one thing: go fast in a straight line. The gt500 is BOTH fast in a straight line and can hold its own in the corners.
They compete in the same two-door muscle car segment. There's always differentiation in a segment, otherwise everyone would sell the same car, just in a different color.
So sad that they are ending this vehicle. I wish I had enough money to purchase one, more as an investment than anything because they will go up in value.
Where there's a will there's a way! I was driving my stock 1995 Geo Metro the other day and I ran up against one of these Black Ghost Challengers and he took off fast and so did I. I actually beat him 3 straight times. Give the credit to God if you must, but that Geo proved that it's not afraid to take on the so-called fast cars. I am proud of my car and of myself for not giving up.
0:37 Shame they never did that with the Challengers. They did it in the grill but the Dodge across the hood was classic 70s-90s Dodge with that typeface.
This video just convinced me to keep my 22 scat pack and not get a hellcat because of all the money I'll save and probably will go faster with some slicks on the back than most all challengers.
The worst part is that 5-10 year range where these will all be cheap and even more teenagers in Milwaukee, Detroit, LA, phoenix, etc. will be getting in massive debt at their minimum wage job to buy one, just to crash it into a family within the first 30 days.
@@moresoundd they’re meant to be driven by reasonable people who know when and where to push their limits, what I described does not fall under that classification.
@@holmieg3435 someone already wrecked one looks like it’s going to be totaled. It’s on RUclips check it out I’m buying two of them so that makes only 297 left but I’m planning to either trade one of them for a low miles demon or you’ll see at auction on TV. I already have a dealership out of state that has offered to trade me for their dodge demon with only 8 miles on it they’re asking 200 K and a willing to trade me straight across
You have to learn how to launch these cars. They are not easy and it takes a lot of practice. Launch control is not the way to extract the best times. I can consistently do 0-60 in 3.6-3.7 in my 21 Hellcat and 3.3-3.4 in my 21 Redeye on stock tires and on unprepped, but clean surfaces and all documented. This has taken time to master, but it can be done, especially after owning 4 of these cars. So 4.5 to 60 is probably correct for someone who has no idea how or the experience, to properly launch the challenger.
The loud turn signals to me is a good thing. How many people forget their turn signals on? I see it all the time. Never on Challenger owners though. lol.
Two things you did that I've never done with my Redeye, drive in ECO and turn TC off, don't care about mileage because I'm in love with the Whine, and with TC on, the car still breaks loose at 70 mph punches.
Love the satin silver wheels wish Dodge had offered that with all the HC's...just waiting on my 23 HC Red Eye in bright RED and the first mod I'll be making is taking those black wheels off having them glass bead blasted then coated with a bright silver paint then clear coated.
As far as lap times are concerned, the GT500 will certainly be faster, straight ahead is something completely different. In addition, such a large hemi v8 bubbles quite differently than a smaller engine. I wouldn't care about the lap times and performance, the looks, the sound and the feeling when you are pressed into the seat by the vilene torque, that would already be fun enough for me
I’m sure you’re a fan of EV’s then, considering they’re much faster than both. The hellcat is much more fun to drive than the 500 - speaking from experience.
car can’t grip worth its life. should of been a mid engine car. 🤦🏻🤦🏻 i talked to a guy who sold one he owned and got an audi rs5. no worries punching it in the rain.
I was a teacher aide at the second most taken care of public school district in the nation. There was a 16 year old student who had a hellcat and was well known in the neighborhood as having it. So one day he decided he would do donuts in the parking lot, almost hit the superintendent police called dad took the car away and he had to walk the rest of the time until he graduated. Should really be illegal for a 16 year old to drive a hellcat.
I don't like how they are ending a great car. They are difficult to find and the dealers are continuing to bend people over with inflated mark ups. I bought a 2021 challenger scat pack. Had to buy a 21 because they quit taking orders for the 22 and it was months later before I guess you could order a 23. Never have figured out how to order or find a 23. The 21 I found I really like but the dealer charged me $500. More than the original window sticker.
Would be cool if Dodge went a step further and designed a 'Black Ghost' logo just like they did with the Hellcat. Sure, it doesn't come with a stickshift like the OG Blacl Ghost. But these two, I think would be the cherry on top to justify its outlandish price. Six speed. Custom Black Ghost logo for exclusively other than the OG DODGE that sits on the front. And maybe I'll sacrifice everything for a overpriced Hellcat...
If I had the money for a muscle car, I would always prefer to drive a hemi v8 instead of another one. The Mustang, or even the ne Corvette Z06 with its completely new high rev flat-plane v8 may perform better on the track, but will never reach the deep bubbling and torque of such a large displacement. The 392 Super bee would also be enough for me, I honestly find the loud supercharger whining less beautiful than the pure v8 sound. And almost 500 hp are already more than enough. In addition, this great look and design language make the challenger for me the currently most beautiful muscle car there is. It's a pity that Dodge says goodbye to these legendary V8 engines for its muscle cars in the future and then you only get to hear a tuned leaf blower.
If you drive without your seatbelt in this car does the light and jingle go away after a while? My mustang lets me drive without my seatbelt because after about 10 minutes the light and jingle go away.
As a 2020 challenger hellcat owner I’d can clearly say other than the extra horsepower, this vehicle is not worth the price at all. Im sure sellers will want $125k plus. If you have that money just get a regular hellcat,super stock, or redeye. This ain’t it smh. PS you can add all of the extras to the car yourself via aftermarket and save yourself the money
New sub here & I totally agree 717 hellcat Widebody in a manual. I just got a Scatpack Shaker Widebody in a manual last summer, but really wanted that hellcat manual 😢 love my scat though
Now you just need to win the original "Black Ghost" Challenger at Mecum in the spring and sit on them both for awhile and boom. I give you your retirement stipend! 💯🇺🇸💪Mopar
Hello Miles my names Mike! i have a deposit on a Ghost and i love the video cannot wait to get the car home! good job with this an dyes we all love the Supercharger Whine!
Yeah you know I like it I wouldn't buy window because I think the cup holders in the back is just ridiculous it's so hard getting in and out of the back there's no room back there I don't know why you didn't put a seat back there
"Here, lets go into Eco Mode and gimp it down to FIVE HUNDRED HORSEPOWER!" 😳Remember when 500 horsepower commanded respect? Now it's Eco Mode. 🤣
😂
500hp still commands respect. That’s plenty fast.
Is mpg slightly better on Eco mode?
@@perz400 depends on how you drive it but yes it could be a lot better going from 807 down to 500 and driving lightly
@@perz400 I would say yes, and the Challenger also has a cylinder deactivation. As long as you do not call up any power you are partly with a 4 cylinder on the road. Of course, such a large displacement always has a high basic consumption, but this can be pushed down a lot thanks to modern technology and a relaxed Foot
Nice work on this video man!
Thanks bro! Great job on your short with this beast.
@@MilesPerHr You just took my all my money and I have the evidence
@@ابنمعوضstfu please
@@ابنمعوض bot
It’s sad that there ending the car, but I am glad that they are doing all these special editions to send it off… Because there absolutely sick.
No, they're the same car with different paintjobs
@@8kdrei they’re ending the supercharged v8s and v6s after 2023
*they’re
@@8kdrei the what?!
ending it?🤯😡
Dodge is like yeah we’re ending production of the Hellcat motor but first here’s a couple thousand “limited edition” variants. Lol I love it!
Pagani did it first with the Zonda. Though there's a big difference between a small boutique Italian manufacture that sells multi-million dollar rolling art pieces and a large corporate entity that's running a platform left over from the Daimler takeover from the 90s.
@@NXT_LVLThere’s also a huge difference in selling to the common person and selling to the oil barons that exploit human lives. Nobody cares about Pagani.
@@NXT_LVL cool
Thank u for bringing us this precious review, I love that for this version they have made it so wide
My pleasure!
I saw the Hagerty documentary about the original black ghost. Very good story about the man who raced it. I got emotional.
I saw it too! It would have been cool if they added the African flag badge on this edition like it was on the original Black Ghost from the 70s
Thought I was the only one. Lol
It was a cool story. And the story about the man is true. Unfortunatly the story about the car is not. Its one of the biggest scams in automotive history. Really sad.
Ford is much smarter: they will sell us Mustangs as long as the public will buy. Nobody is clamoring for an electric Challenger or Charger.
These cars will be an absolute classic man.
I think they've should've done more to make it special considering it's going to be close to the last of the cars, but cool car though
It's nice, but it's no GT500 😎
16:58 those all season tires are whats really killing the time. Not sure why dodge thinks all seasons and 800 horsepower go together
Better tires are a must, I agree
Dodge knows that you'll be doing burnouts with those as soon as you leave the dealership, and that you'll have to buy new tires soon anyway. :)
cause its still a street car?
You can get summer tires for an additional $695 from factory
The upgrade is pretty reasonable price wise from Dodge. They should not have built this special edition with all seasons, as they offer a better tire from the factory.
I was just watching your other hellcat videos and saw this pop up! thank you! These car sounds really bring a big smile to my face!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you're gonna be a dinosaur, leave big footprints.
worddd
COTD 👏
You forgot the roar as well.
Honestly I don’t think Dodge Challengers’ and Chargers’ are dead
They have just begun there long journey
These last hellcats are going to be almost an instantly great investment...people will be kicking themselves for not buying one
To answer your question does the Black Ghost belong in the last call lineup? ABSOLUTELY!!! This car was a Detroit street racing legend and as far as I know, undefeated and the original car still runs well and all original.
This would be the one I would buy if I could afford one! Meanwhile, I love my 2022 R/T Blacktop for a daily driver.
Nobody :
Dodge: “Let’s Charge 100k For The Same Interior We Been Using For Almost 10yrs”
And exterior
Moparbros…. We lost this one 😢
I don’t think it’s the interior that you’re paying for
@@Akosa117 oh so 100k for an engine?
@@cameron6249 for the performance and experience. trust
I rented a Charger Scat Pack WB on vacation last year. It was an absolute blast to drive. My goal is to try and rent a Hellcat this year. However, if I had to chose between a Scat Pack and Hellcat for myself, I'd choose the Scat. The Hellcat has outrageous power that is no doubt fun, but I feel like the Scat Pack was the perfect amount of power for the street. I was able to keep it in Track mode and I always felt in control of the car. I could break it loose if I wanted, but it wasn't losing traction at speed like in this video lol. And it was still plenty fast. Best case scenario would be a Scat Pack daily and a Hellcat for the weekend!
Scat is perfect power? Lol I gap them like stock WRXs. Power means nothing when you weigh as much as a house. Go drive a real car.
@@defyyourlogic487 yeah right
@@ncdozer3103 Great argument, boat captain. Steer yourself off a cliff next time.
Scat Pack is definitely more usable power. Hard to give up that Hellcat whine, though.
@@defyyourlogic487 I mean it's all subjective. I enjoyed the Scat in a different way than you enjoy your 240i. I don't race, it was more about the experience. I've driven other performance cars, but the V8 sound and big body of the Charger checked the boxes for me.
I guess some people like this but IMO I think a more "balanced" ride is more fun on the street. My c6z06 with 505hp was just about as perfect as I've driven. Well maybe my 350z or '05 Mustang (after installing an Eibach suspension). The problem with all that power is the constant throttle modulation as you attempt to keep traction. But hey, drive what you think is the most fun for you!!
I don’t see how you can compare this to a gt500. Hellcats are pretty much meant to do one thing: go fast in a straight line. The gt500 is BOTH fast in a straight line and can hold its own in the corners.
They compete in the same two-door muscle car segment. There's always differentiation in a segment, otherwise everyone would sell the same car, just in a different color.
@@MilesPerHr Fair enough. I haven’t considered the mustang as a muscle car for awhile though.
For me GT500 all the way. But I can't afford either one of these anyway. 😁
The GT500 lacks stylistic character, in all honesty. “Oh look, another Shelby mustang. Great.”
So sad that they are ending this vehicle. I wish I had enough money to purchase one, more as an investment than anything because they will go up in value.
I hope you'd at least let yourself enjoy it a little, even if you bought it as an investment 😉
Of coarse.
I dont buy a car for an investment I have fun and drive it!
Just saw the 2025 challenger wow what a surprise your gonna get. They said no pictures so no pictures, all I can say is you're gonna love it.
The first drive and walk around content of this on the webs.
Nice!
Black ghost was literally the best street racer
they should of put a ghost emblem or something
Its a cool story but its not true. Biggest scam in automotive history.
gets more mpg than my 1992 v6 lumina, with about 7x the horsepower🤭🤭
Premium gas
We are going from this, to electric. 🤮. Let’s go Brandon
Where there's a will there's a way! I was driving my stock 1995 Geo Metro the other day and I ran up against one of these Black Ghost Challengers and he took off fast and so did I. I actually beat him 3 straight times. Give the credit to God if you must, but that Geo proved that it's not afraid to take on the so-called fast cars. I am proud of my car and of myself for not giving up.
Lol that’s the funniest cutest story ever 😂
Got me a last call scat pack and loving it. You will have more fun, driving the scat pack than the hellcat and a scat pack has plenty of power.
I loved the part when he said the hellcat was going to sail off into the sunset 🌅 🛳️
I'd rather have one with the badass Hellcat badges
0:37 Shame they never did that with the Challengers. They did it in the grill but the Dodge across the hood was classic 70s-90s Dodge with that typeface.
I personally think it’s a joke that they would discontinue such a car 💀
yeah but by 2060 onward we will run out of fossil fuels lol. So its time to start switching over slowly haha
crazy doing almost 90 in curves with 35 mph speed recommendations
This video just convinced me to keep my 22 scat pack and not get a hellcat because of all the money I'll save and probably will go faster with some slicks on the back than most all challengers.
Great video! Still, was hoping you would have hit the interstate and initiated the Warp drive!
For the Turing part i thought he was finna slide it 😂
That is the NEW Aventedor
I cant wait for the last call "Demon Killer" with a purported 1000hp
It’s crazy because 20 years down the line, these cars are gonna be rare to find.
probably not. i have a feeling everyone is just gonna shove it in a garage and not drive it to keep the miles low
The worst part is that 5-10 year range where these will all be cheap and even more teenagers in Milwaukee, Detroit, LA, phoenix, etc. will be getting in massive debt at their minimum wage job to buy one, just to crash it into a family within the first 30 days.
@@defyyourlogic487 besides crashing i dont really see the issue with that, cars are meant to be driven
@@moresoundd they’re meant to be driven by reasonable people who know when and where to push their limits, what I described does not fall under that classification.
@@holmieg3435 someone already wrecked one looks like it’s going to be totaled. It’s on RUclips check it out I’m buying two of them so that makes only 297 left but I’m planning to either trade one of them for a low miles demon or you’ll see at auction on TV. I already have a dealership out of state that has offered to trade me for their dodge demon with only 8 miles on it they’re asking 200 K and a willing to trade me straight across
20:22 it's the most expensive dodge challenger till they release the 7th last call challenger
If you ask me what cars Americans drive that Europeans don't, the Hellcat is in the top 3, it's sad they are ending it
I would easily pick the ZL1 over this any day, it has better performance to the money, more tech, nicer interior design and IT CAN TURN.
Same
Same here.
I agree 100%. Love my CAMARO ZL1 1LE💪🤘
I’m a Chevy guy but challengers/chargers and mustangs are amazing cars
You have to learn how to launch these cars. They are not easy and it takes a lot of practice. Launch control is not the way to extract the best times. I can consistently do 0-60 in 3.6-3.7 in my 21 Hellcat and 3.3-3.4 in my 21 Redeye on stock tires and on unprepped, but clean surfaces and all documented. This has taken time to master, but it can be done, especially after owning 4 of these cars. So 4.5 to 60 is probably correct for someone who has no idea how or the experience, to properly launch the challenger.
Awesome vehicle, Love the Charger and Challengers Scatpack and HellCats, T/A, Daytona, other editions.
The loud turn signals to me is a good thing. How many people forget their turn signals on? I see it all the time. Never on Challenger owners though. lol.
Just brutal power, it's likes 5 cars in one....
Come April dodge will say "April fools" we comin out with the Dodge Satan!!!! 909 horsepower
Crazy how there’s no heat extractors only thing missing on that car and maybe Black rims
Two things you did that I've never done with my Redeye, drive in ECO and turn TC off, don't care about mileage because I'm in love with the Whine, and with TC on, the car still breaks loose at 70 mph punches.
Turn it off not gonna hurt ya learn the car it’s very controllable most definitely takes time to learn
this is like a TRUE LOVE
Soon in years this car will be classic
Love the satin silver wheels wish Dodge had offered that with all the HC's...just waiting on my 23 HC Red Eye in bright RED and the first mod I'll be making is taking those black wheels off having them glass bead blasted then coated with a bright silver paint then clear coated.
They did offer the silver wheels on all the hellcats for 23.
Horn sound is directly the first note from Beatles strawberry fields.
1:07 only the right one (while facing the car) is functional
We all 🗿💔
i started watching your videos to improve my english. But guess what, i slowly became a car guy😁😁
Manual seats in a $100,000 chrysler. It only makes sense
MUCH COOLER THAN THE SHELBY GT 500. Would be an HONOR to rip & roar through the South Oklahoma City streets in a Black Ghost believe me.
This cannot begin to compare to the Shelby GT500
looksbetter and more space n torq
As far as lap times are concerned, the GT500 will certainly be faster, straight ahead is something completely different. In addition, such a large hemi v8 bubbles quite differently than a smaller engine. I wouldn't care about the lap times and performance, the looks, the sound and the feeling when you are pressed into the seat by the vilene torque, that would already be fun enough for me
You're right! It's way cooler than any Ford.
I’m sure you’re a fan of EV’s then, considering they’re much faster than both. The hellcat is much more fun to drive than the 500 - speaking from experience.
nice review, does the front passenger seat automatically swipe front if you fold it or not as driver?
car can’t grip worth its life. should of been a mid engine car. 🤦🏻🤦🏻 i talked to a guy who sold one he owned and got an audi rs5. no worries punching it in the rain.
I was a teacher aide at the second most taken care of public school district in the nation. There was a 16 year old student who had a hellcat and was well known in the neighborhood as having it. So one day he decided he would do donuts in the parking lot, almost hit the superintendent police called dad took the car away and he had to walk the rest of the time until he graduated. Should really be illegal for a 16 year old to drive a hellcat.
I'm curious if Dodge will let you test drive the King Daytona for a review!
The great vehicle of peace.
I'd get the Dodge Challenger Hellcat Red-Eye Widebody Jailbreak in either Toxic Orange Pearl w/Black trim/accents or Sublime Green w/Black trim
what a ride, and awesome review Miles.
Interesting they’re still using HID vs LED headlights
The hellcat boutta become the humcat after they make it a ev
i love your titles Miles
Thank you! I do try to make them fun.
i want it so badly
Exterior & Interior: HellCat
Performance: GT500
I don't like how they are ending a great car. They are difficult to find and the dealers are continuing to bend people over with inflated mark ups. I bought a 2021 challenger scat pack. Had to buy a 21 because they quit taking orders for the 22 and it was months later before I guess you could order a 23. Never have figured out how to order or find a 23. The 21 I found I really like but the dealer charged me $500. More than the original window sticker.
Would be cool if Dodge went a step further and designed a 'Black Ghost' logo just like they did with the Hellcat.
Sure, it doesn't come with a stickshift like the OG Blacl Ghost. But these two, I think would be the cherry on top to justify its outlandish price.
Six speed.
Custom Black Ghost logo for exclusively other than the OG DODGE that sits on the front. And maybe I'll sacrifice everything for a overpriced Hellcat...
A must have tire shreading phantom.
Buying one of these is almost like buying a house
If I had the money for a muscle car, I would always prefer to drive a hemi v8 instead of another one. The Mustang, or even the ne Corvette Z06 with its completely new high rev flat-plane v8 may perform better on the track, but will never reach the deep bubbling and torque of such a large displacement. The 392 Super bee would also be enough for me, I honestly find the loud supercharger whining less beautiful than the pure v8 sound. And almost 500 hp are already more than enough. In addition, this great look and design language make the challenger for me the currently most beautiful muscle car there is. It's a pity that Dodge says goodbye to these legendary V8 engines for its muscle cars in the future and then you only get to hear a tuned leaf blower.
Same exact car for the past few years. It's like Jordan's, the same shoe but different colors. I mean it's still cool though.
If you drive without your seatbelt in this car does the light and jingle go away after a while? My mustang lets me drive without my seatbelt because after about 10 minutes the light and jingle go away.
I really want to know your opinion miles, would you personally own one of these? I'm car shopping for one of these.
As a 2020 challenger hellcat owner I’d can clearly say other than the extra horsepower, this vehicle is not worth the price at all. Im sure sellers will want $125k plus. If you have that money just get a regular hellcat,super stock, or redeye. This ain’t it smh. PS you can add all of the extras to the car yourself via aftermarket and save yourself the money
You should've played "goodbye to the people who hated on me" while you were doing the pov review.
We need the ‘23 Durango hellcat !
I need a dodge challenger before I die and y’all are telling me they’re not gonna make them anymore…🥲💔Ohhh my heart
New sub here & I totally agree 717 hellcat Widebody in a manual. I just got a Scatpack Shaker Widebody in a manual last summer, but really wanted that hellcat manual 😢 love my scat though
why doesn't anyone ever do these 0-60 tests with traction control on. the car will be easier to control for a solid pull
45 now and take care of my sick dad my health isnt so great my back is broken i dont think i ever get a muscle car
Now you just need to win the original "Black Ghost" Challenger at Mecum in the spring and sit on them both for awhile and boom. I give you your retirement stipend! 💯🇺🇸💪Mopar
remote start it at disneyland, then someone comes and quickly makes a copy of the key and takes it
Hello Miles my names Mike! i have a deposit on a Ghost and i love the video cannot wait to get the car home!
good job with this an dyes we all love the Supercharger Whine!
I’m getting the black ghost to are you paying over MSRP and if so, how much just curious
Dodge really could’ve did more with these cars
i sat in that at car show. my cuz hs a redeye. im getin mine and a ultima gtr n more
Hey crew, I have got the key. The most legendary dialogue for me....
how are they allowed to harvest swede skin for the steering wheel?
Great review. Thought the black ghost had a unique TFT animation? 5:54
Dodge should've gave this car a manual option.
The black ghost had a automatic so its more of a homage that way.
I know that manual was an option not too long ago. I am not sure if it is still available.
Dodge is supposedly bringing back a manual Hellcat later this year
Doug would have had his car washed and spotless
Try the passenger side to enter back seat
You'll see it slide forward!!!
what is that dot on the middle of the dashboard ???
How’s the mpg ?
Ima get the hellcat soon any opinions?
Yeah you know I like it I wouldn't buy window because I think the cup holders in the back is just ridiculous it's so hard getting in and out of the back there's no room back there I don't know why you didn't put a seat back there