I love that Ian still closes up every video with "hopefully you enjoyed it", as if those of us that have lapped up every second to that point has been anything other than enthralled with the content
I especially love when it's followed by an "I know I did!" That's why I love the channel, very obviously a passion project and lots of deep knowledge on the topics :)
I guess a native has a greater right to judge their own culture and history than I do. But I remain impressed by the Polish people and culture. So many intelligent people and contributions to Science, Art, and history. @@TapOnX
@@unionsquaregrassmandont mind it, there is as many opinions as people, some can be negative or positive obviously, as for everything existing. Cheers from Poland
Normally I don't comment on bigget channels where I feel like the conversations are just lost in the noise, but on the off chance you see this, I just wanna say I appreciate the effort that is put into th descriptions.
back in the early seventies I worked in the machine shop run by all poles and I got to tell you these guys are the greatest machinists and as a kid at the time they taught me so much about metal structure and how be a Craftsman in a machine
My Forgotten Weapons "We Do Our Best With the Worst" buffalo adorned Elbonian dress uniform still fits after like 6 years. Quality shirt, that one. Have a good day Ian
@@beargillium2369 It made my day that 57 other viewers have agreed with us in 13 hours. Praises for the quality of the adornments he brought for us to wear. It is a blessing to be counted among his flock. All hail Gun Jesus and pray he keep us safe nestled in the bosom of his ammo vest
I like the lines on this gun. Putting the arms on the slide and moving the recoil spring an assembly on the bottom like that gives it an interesting look.
Need? Maybe, maybe not. Want because...... reasons? 100%. Military procurement officers are often like civilian gun collectors. Just with larger budgets.
In 1984 Communist security agency ended priest Jerzy Popiełuszko and in 1989 his close friend pirest Stanisław Suchowolec... So yes officialy it was for the army but most likely in reality it was for people that firing in civilian cloths to some civilians that wanted Poland to be free and free of communist scums.
How did you get away with showing the unscrewing of the suppressor? Every time I've done that RUclips has given me a content warning and deleted the video with a tos strike.
most of the noise from a silenced semi auto comes from the action reciprocating. by doing it his way they reduce the noise in action. never understood why they dont use composites of some sort to reduce or eliminate the noise from cycling the action.
Yep, looks extremely cool, I'd be great to see it in a game. I really liked the look of the silenced Makarov in Far Cry 2 and ran around with it a lot, but this looks even better.
Greetings from Poland. Designs from years ago amaze with their simplicity and effectiveness. I'm a fan of the TT pistol myself. The design is over 100 years old and works as effectively as Five Seven.
Very well engineered. Bet it's pretty quiet too. For Clandestine work though, it would be a bit awkward. Hard to hide that under anything but a Trench Coat.
Why have a recoil spring at all if its always using manual operation? Is it a dampener ? Was there a way to not engage the slide lock for auto loading ?
It's a conversion of open bolt to straight pull, but the lugs of the bolt are engaging after pressing the trigger. So without a recoil spring, the bolt wouldn't be secured in place by anything.
@@geoffreypiltz271 It's just a slide-return spring, I think. I'd wager the spring itself is probably much weaker than it is in the normal gun, but they may have just kept the already-made spring.
I feel like this needed a Disconnect for that auto Slide Locker, because while nifty for handling, it's always on meaning the idea of abandoning fully suppressed shooting in favor of faster easier follow up shots takes a major hit. It basically un-semiautos the pistol unless I'm missing something?
The automated slide-lock was an interesting choice. It absolutely simplifies the operation of cycling in another round compared to the hush puppy, but it also eliminates the possibility that it could ever be wielded as a side arm (presumably for special forces or VIP security) since there is no way to utilize it in a semi-automatic nature. The other thing that intrigues me, is the discussion about mass production. In light of my previous point, who would've ever assumed there would be a "mass market" for what is effectively a firearm that would only be wielded by hit-men. This seems like the type of project that would have always targeted a small audience.
@@Nealio6s Yeah, I was looking at other comments and I realised it's probably just a slide-return spring to make the manual of arms for cycling easier. Which, in fairness, is probably a significant reason to keep it
Did you find out what the reasoning was for the revised trigger guard? Is the backwards curve supposed to help with stability of the spring assembly, or is this some polish high-speed operators idea of improved grip?
Oh god I flinched so hard when that got dry fired, I had a P83 that snapped the hook on the firing pin when someone did that and finding a replacement was impossible.
The eternal conundrum of Forgotten Weapons. If Ian hadn't shown us this one, it would have become eternally forgotten to everyone but a few custodians scratching their heads once in a while. But now it's been reset to a well known prototype in the collective gun knowledge, and will remain so for a number of decades until it fades back into obscurity.
"This weapon was silenced specifically to avoid deafening people when they engaged in combat in the echoiest environment known to man: this big glass room!"
What puzzles me, is that "recoil spring". Since the slide is not supposed to back during the firing, i believe the reinvented device is never used in that context, remaining merely a "return spring" when operating the slide manually, unless there's something we don't see, like capability to bypass the slide locking device, somehow. I do own the "original" P-83 and really appreciate this sort of content. Thanks!
Can you even call that a recoil spring, though? Since the slide doesn't move when firing, it's just more like a slide return spring; it seems it's only there to pull the slide forward when you manually rack it.
You know, I'm just going to say it.. That slide, particularly the angle near the hammer, almost looks like something Beretta would do, like with the PX4 line and Cougar.
Imagine if it had a way to store the gas so when you release the trigger and then also unlocking the slide, it would use the stored gas to cycle like normal.
the recoil spring now does not have to fight recoil anymore, itjust has to return the slide to battery. probably an easy gun to cycle! about the production, of ocurse its very possible they had a good production run, but keep it secret.
For a silenced pistol without action noise on firing a Nagant M1895 is a good base especially since it is single hand operation friendly but modified to use lightly loaded 357 mag cartridges.
Just out of curiosity… If the intention is single shot, why not just go for a bolt action design or something similar? Just easier to modify a p38 than make something new?
"The gun goes 'pfeh.'" Something about that delivery made me giggle.
The gun goes 'pfeh and the kacap goes "blyat I'm dead".
The gun goes *pwip*
Effective *Muffler,* no?
At least, now I have a much better idea of what some (fictional) pistols look like on “The Island.”
In Poland we say "pif", or "pif-paf".
This is now canon
I love that Ian still closes up every video with "hopefully you enjoyed it", as if those of us that have lapped up every second to that point has been anything other than enthralled with the content
He doesn't forget his roots.
My brother just gave me his copy of Pistols of the warlords and I hope the book ends with “hopefully you enjoyed it”
@@carlymars ha! I hope so too
@@carlymarsDid you enjoy it?
I especially love when it's followed by an "I know I did!"
That's why I love the channel, very obviously a passion project and lots of deep knowledge on the topics :)
and the best part, when you fire it you hear no muzzle blast, just a slightly angry voice whispering kurwa.
Please do not spread state secrets.
hahaha
Rozjebałeś system!
P. S. Whatever Google Translate comes up with of the above, it is a very colloquial statement of admiration.
Enjoy your time in Poland, Ian. An amazing people and culture.
No we aren't. We're mediocre.
I guess a native has a greater right to judge their own culture and history than I do. But I remain impressed by the Polish people and culture. So many intelligent people and contributions to Science, Art, and history. @@TapOnX
@@unionsquaregrassmandont mind it, there is as many opinions as people, some can be negative or positive obviously, as for everything existing. Cheers from Poland
@@TapOnX ić stont
Normally I don't comment on bigget channels where I feel like the conversations are just lost in the noise, but on the off chance you see this, I just wanna say I appreciate the effort that is put into th descriptions.
Suddenly hundreds of Polish handguns bought 20 years ago for $150 come out of the back of the Gun Safes….
Nice to see you still had some Polish guns left to show us from your trip to Poland. I hope there are more. Great video as always.
back in the early seventies I worked in the machine shop run by all poles and I got to tell you these guys are the greatest machinists and as a kid at the time they taught me so much about metal structure and how be a Craftsman in a machine
Omg its the gun from the forgotten weapons logo
Lmao
No. The gun in the logo is an OSS Flying Dragon ruclips.net/video/E0R8FHpGQis/видео.html
The grip is right for it to be this one. The Dragon was more of a revolver style.
My Forgotten Weapons "We Do Our Best With the Worst" buffalo adorned Elbonian dress uniform still fits after like 6 years. Quality shirt, that one. Have a good day Ian
Wearing mine today as well, favorite shirt in my closet 🔫 🦬
@@beargillium2369 It made my day that 57 other viewers have agreed with us in 13 hours. Praises for the quality of the adornments he brought for us to wear. It is a blessing to be counted among his flock. All hail Gun Jesus and pray he keep us safe nestled in the bosom of his ammo vest
I like the lines on this gun. Putting the arms on the slide and moving the recoil spring an assembly on the bottom like that gives it an interesting look.
This channel is a REAL man's gun heaven
That is one of the most interesting silenced pistols I’ve seen, thanks
I was wondering at the start of the vid what the Poles needed a high speed murder man pistol for and it turns out they didn't.
Need? Maybe, maybe not. Want because...... reasons? 100%.
Military procurement officers are often like civilian gun collectors. Just with larger budgets.
Perhaps they have trouble with rodents in the (military) henhouses, and do not wish to disturb the laying hens?
In 1984 Communist security agency ended priest Jerzy Popiełuszko and in 1989 his close friend pirest Stanisław Suchowolec...
So yes officialy it was for the army but most likely in reality it was for people that firing in civilian cloths to some civilians that wanted Poland to be free and free of communist scums.
This is seriously a well engineered pistol. Very impressive.
What a fucking cool design.
That is a VERY cool design!
How did you get away with showing the unscrewing of the suppressor? Every time I've done that RUclips has given me a content warning and deleted the video with a tos strike.
I'm really baffled by this design
most of the noise from a silenced semi auto comes from the action reciprocating. by doing it his way they reduce the noise in action. never understood why they dont use composites of some sort to reduce or eliminate the noise from cycling the action.
Amazing how they ended up with space for a full length extended rail before there was even stuff to go on a rail.
Forward thinking!
Super pozdrowienia z PL;)
Ta?
I can't believe they added this thing to Warframe. Honestly it's still cool as heck though
I'm guessing T in the name stands for 'tłumik' (lit. muffler), which would be Polish for a supressor.
Because that's exactly what it is! I've read old automotive manuals that call car mufflers "silencers".
Silencer can be used as a generic term for a muffler on any machine, including firearms.
As in the fictional “rat-poison pistol muffler?”
@@hoilst265 In Polish we actually use the same word for "muffler" and "silencer"/"suppressor". They're all "tłumik".
cool design, one of the best looking silenced pistol
>Suppressed Makarov
I sleep
>Suppressed Makarov, but it's Polish
REAL SHIT
Yep, looks extremely cool, I'd be great to see it in a game.
I really liked the look of the silenced Makarov in Far Cry 2 and ran around with it a lot, but this looks even better.
Clever design, love it. Thank you Ian.
The recoil spring/suppressor lock is marvellous.
Last time I was this early to a Forgotten Weapons video, the Vis Wz. 35 "Radom" was the Polish service pistol.
😊
The trigger gaurd reminds me of a villainous mustache
You're right, why is that so accurate??
imagine someone holding you at gunpoint with one of these and they start twirling the trigger guard like "myessss myess"
Polish engineering is great. They have that Central Europe knack for metal-working (EG Germany, Czech, Hungary, Slovakia, Austria...)
Northern Italy.
@@Judge_Magister
As he said, Germany.
Maybe because Poland is in central europe
Radom really is a top notch facility. My Polish P-64 is every bit as nice as my German PPK.
@@shintokatana17Lol, underrated comment
Greetings from Poland. Designs from years ago amaze with their simplicity and effectiveness. I'm a fan of the TT pistol myself. The design is over 100 years old and works as effectively as Five Seven.
This design is extremely cool and well thought out
The fact that only a few prototypes were made adds an air of mystery and rarity to this piece of firearm history.
wow! what a guy!
Fiji to Poland in one day!
It's a thing of beauty!
what an awesome looking pistol, can't believe I haven't seen this in more video games or movies
The Welrod is far more well known. Plus, games are virtually always made with you playing the Americans, so you end up using a suppressed Glock etc.
I was thinking movies, it looks cool
Awsome stuff
Dude it's finally the LOGO gun!!!!!!!!
nice potted flowers behind you, slavic trade mark ;)
It looks like the Forgotten Weapons logo :)
Very well engineered. Bet it's pretty quiet too.
For Clandestine work though, it would be a bit awkward. Hard to hide that under anything but a Trench Coat.
Or a loose fitting track suit...
Ian has to test that gun on the range to see if it has a "Mouse Fart" or a " Donkey Dump"
very cool
"We have PB at home.."
PB at home:
So join me next time on the range with a delisle carbine and the silenced pt 83 as back up gun on the two gun course...that would be awesome
Very cool pistol.
It would have great screen presence, someone get that gun an agent.
Thanks Ian , Had to view what you had scrounged up for us as soon as it showed up on you tube !!
Why have a recoil spring at all if its always using manual operation? Is it a dampener ? Was there a way to not engage the slide lock for auto loading ?
To push the slide forward after you eject the case?
For the slide to close properly, I guess.
It's a conversion of open bolt to straight pull, but the lugs of the bolt are engaging after pressing the trigger. So without a recoil spring, the bolt wouldn't be secured in place by anything.
@@MZF34 I thought the sliding block operated by the trigger locked the bolt? I still don't see the purpose of the recoil spring.
@@geoffreypiltz271 It's just a slide-return spring, I think. I'd wager the spring itself is probably much weaker than it is in the normal gun, but they may have just kept the already-made spring.
I feel like this needed a Disconnect for that auto Slide Locker, because while nifty for handling, it's always on meaning the idea of abandoning fully suppressed shooting in favor of faster easier follow up shots takes a major hit. It basically un-semiautos the pistol unless I'm missing something?
If there's a way to actually use the recoil spring, Ian doesn't show it.
This gun looks so sci-fi and yet also antique at the same time.
The automated slide-lock was an interesting choice. It absolutely simplifies the operation of cycling in another round compared to the hush puppy, but it also eliminates the possibility that it could ever be wielded as a side arm (presumably for special forces or VIP security) since there is no way to utilize it in a semi-automatic nature.
The other thing that intrigues me, is the discussion about mass production. In light of my previous point, who would've ever assumed there would be a "mass market" for what is effectively a firearm that would only be wielded by hit-men. This seems like the type of project that would have always targeted a small audience.
if its going to be issued to a military for use by infiltration teams it needs to be produced en mass, it was never intended for open market sale
Do you know what the point of the recoil spring is, if it's automatically locking? I can't work out why you'd even bother with one.
@@TheFanatical1 Good point. I'm assuming it's added insurance that it goes back into battery and the extractor works as expected.
@@Nealio6s Yeah, I was looking at other comments and I realised it's probably just a slide-return spring to make the manual of arms for cycling easier. Which, in fairness, is probably a significant reason to keep it
Looks like I found the side arm of the antagonist for my next book. Thanks, Ian!
Did you find out what the reasoning was for the revised trigger guard? Is the backwards curve supposed to help with stability of the spring assembly, or is this some polish high-speed operators idea of improved grip?
Somewhere to lock your other index finger to give you a more stable firing platform for a guaranteed first shot hit?
That's a pretty clever adaptation
That is a very cool design. I like that a lot
Sold, Very slick from 50 years ago. Good engineering. Thanks ,Enjoyed.
magnificent design
Damn, Ian was 21km away from me and I learn about that as always decades of hours too late xD
Oh god I flinched so hard when that got dry fired, I had a P83 that snapped the hook on the firing pin when someone did that and finding a replacement was impossible.
This gun looks so cool and it's the first time I hear about it.
Interesting gun, good review, thanks.
Fantastic video.
The makarov pb is the coolest of all the integrally suppressed Cold War pistols
I love the “Hush puppy” makarov
Looks just like the Forgotten Weapons logo.
The eternal conundrum of Forgotten Weapons. If Ian hadn't shown us this one, it would have become eternally forgotten to everyone but a few custodians scratching their heads once in a while. But now it's been reset to a well known prototype in the collective gun knowledge, and will remain so for a number of decades until it fades back into obscurity.
"This weapon was silenced specifically to avoid deafening people when they engaged in combat in the echoiest environment known to man: this big glass room!"
very cool design
Really interesting find! Thanks!
When will be some meeting with You guys somewhere in Poland?
Ian now posesses co tent for a few years only from visit works 11 and łucznik
We best brace ourselves, there's gonna be a lot of nigh-identical prototypes that came between the P-64 and P-83.
What puzzles me, is that "recoil spring". Since the slide is not supposed to back during the firing, i believe the reinvented device is never used in that context, remaining merely a "return spring" when operating the slide manually, unless there's something we don't see, like capability to bypass the slide locking device, somehow. I do own the "original" P-83 and really appreciate this sort of content. Thanks!
Cool. Thanks. Greetings from Belgium.
Neat gun. I would prefer a disconnect for the slide lock, though.
Just so it could be semi-auto when I need it.
Ah a typical polish weapon. Genius engineering, "P" in the name, and dipped in Warsaw Pact (aptly)
Was a tactical paperclip standard piece of equipment that went alongside this pistol?
Love learning about silenced weapons. Sneaky sneak phfff
Wait, so, really, he's not gonna explain why the trigger guard is shaped the way it is...!?!?!?
Why does it have a recoil spring if it's not supposed to automatically load the next round?
To return the slide to battery.
1 step closer to the 6p9 Makarov PB. Make it happen, Ian. That handgun is TOO cool.
Very cool piece of wok. I wouldn't want to see myself on the business-end of one of those ! Wonder what their motivation was to design sucha device.
Gotta do the P-64.
Ian, goddam...where do you find these??? Great video, man. Keep up
Can you even call that a recoil spring, though? Since the slide doesn't move when firing, it's just more like a slide return spring; it seems it's only there to pull the slide forward when you manually rack it.
I find the whole thing baffling.
What was the purpose of the strange trigger guard?
You know, I'm just going to say it..
That slide, particularly the angle near the hammer, almost looks like something Beretta would do, like with the PX4 line and Cougar.
Reminds me of the pistols the
Cleric used from
Equilibrium
Imagine if it had a way to store the gas so when you release the trigger and then also unlocking the slide, it would use the stored gas to cycle like normal.
That's a pretty handgun.
i love when i see polish weapons i dont know and i am a pole
I’d love to know what’s going on with that trigger guard
Seems a considerable amount of suppressor and mechanics for the 9X18 Makarov.
PB*
It’s always funny to me how many old suppressors look like mag lights.
Why they drilled the barrel that much? The standard 9x18 makarov is subsonic as far as i know.
the recoil spring now does not have to fight recoil anymore, itjust has to return the slide to battery. probably an easy gun to cycle! about the production, of ocurse its very possible they had a good production run, but keep it secret.
For a silenced pistol without action noise on firing a Nagant M1895 is a good base especially since it is single hand operation friendly but modified to use lightly loaded 357 mag cartridges.
But then you can’t suppress it
@@Maxx2294-blyat
1895 Nagant has a gas seal that works and is therefore Silenceable.
@@Maxx2294-blyat It's one of the very few supressable revolvers.
@@calvingreene90 and how do you think that gas seal works?
@@OsomoMojoFreak when it’s not in .357
This thing looks like the love child of a Makarov and VSS
Just out of curiosity…
If the intention is single shot, why not just go for a bolt action design or something similar?
Just easier to modify a p38 than make something new?