Man..Appreciate you going through this so that everyone can be aware ahead of time. Very informative and detailed explanation of tunes, etc. You da man. Keep it up Zach. Thanks for another great video.
Well the big reason is the tank is small. When my MPG is bad, I’m driving less than 150 miles on a tank…that gets real old. I wouldn’t care at all if I had a long range America tank.
Kind of but people who rig their vehicles up, we want range to travel further. In most cases doing some things to increase mpg is the only way unless you can increase the the tank size or haul Jerry cans with fuel.
Awesome! Yeah, I’m all about objective, educational, analytical videos. His clearly take research, experimentation, and time to make. I’d love to go into that level detail for every video but I like making more videos than that and I don’t have the time to go that in depth every week. Mad respect for what they are doing!
@@OverlandEngineer Your channel is great. It's like you're taking Kai's advice (and others) and putting it to a real, everyday test.And there's nothing wrong with that! It's inspiring for us, weekend warrior, to venture out more and get dirty. Your channel is like Kai's and SavageGeese. Keep up the great content! It's awesome
Nothing to be “skeptical about” all big three manufacturers offer various axle ratios for towing, track packs, off-road packages, oem after sale upgrades. Etc Only pluses except it actually cots a couple dollars
I think with 35s, you really do need to regear and tune. Longer term, I think you need to consider beefier steering linkages, axles, additional cooling for the transmission and possibly gusseted spindles. Tire weight makes a huge difference as well in terms of wear on the drivetrain and most importantly, stopping distance. Stock 4Runner tires are at around 40lbs? 54lbs for certain LTs. 35s come in at around 69? That's considerable. It's great watching your rig develop. Are you going to do an EV conversion any time soon? :))
Hmm...EV would be cool. If I could do an R1S Rivian Drive train swap that could be pretty sweet. I'd likely opt for a tundra engine swap or LS swap before though...haha. Yeah, a lot more goes into running 35s. There will be content coming to explain what I have all researched in that area. More to come!
Still don't understand the point of immediate throttle response. Pedal Commanders are like makeup for women. Just seems like a better ride when it's actually just aging (wearing out) sooner. The stock curve is there to preserve the drivetrain. There is zero HP improvement on the top end. If you want it to go faster, push the throttle further? Lol. If it's an off-road issue, regear it. Highway issue? Supercharge it. Great vid but when you talk about mpg, no crap it gets worse. You wanted them to throw on that makeup.
I would think a before and after tune, with Wideband O2 sensor on a dyno would prove whether the tune does anything other than better throttle response
I would do all your upgrades first. Lift kit , tire etc. Then go get the tune. There is a guy in my area that advertises on FB . He is a Master Yota tuner. He claims he will meet up with you at a rest stop along the highway. I am still on the fence. I have a 2022 4 Runner ORP.
VERY good point that very few on here make.... THANKS... I'm considering a SUPERCHARGER on a 4runner... and would definitely need a good TUNE-- and DYNO.... so I need to find somene around the upper east TN area that is GOOD at this and has all the equipment to DYNOTUNE.. THANKS AGAIN.
@demarcusrunsark SPRING HILL TN is the closest I've found for a GOOD one.. that's southeast of nashville I think.. a fair drive.. but not that bad I guess. Don't know how long they'd have to have it though-- to do the install and complete tune..
How do you feel about doing your tune but not using a dyno to confirm everything. I've heard the best way is to do it at a location with a dyno? Did OTT address that? Doing something by feel vs seeing the actual numbers on a dyno is way different I'm told. With all the various types of terrain overlanders ride in, how do you check that? Unless you live nearby various types of terrain to try it on..
Its basically night and day going from stock to a tune. If I was trying to hit certain performance numbers it might be different. A dyno would keep them honest but OTT has been making the news on peak power numbers with magnuson super charger tunes and they are showing dynos there. I'm sure if you reached out they could explain what the baseline tune does. I think the biggest thing with testing the different terrains is thinking about what speed range you are most likely in that terrain and then deciding what sort of engine torque response you want. I'm not sure on YotaTuned but if you could book a dyno somewhere then maybe they can meet you there haha.
@@OverlandEngineer Thanks, I'm not really sold on the super charger. I'm concerned about adding too many things that will reduce how long the 4R would last. I dont remember seeing a vid fromn you about superchargers, you ever thought about that discussion as a vid?
A little off topic but you brought up you have tried multiple brands of tires. Which ones have you tried on the 4R and which ones did you like the best? Might be a good vid topic in off season...
Yeah this is a really good idea. So far my favorite all around tire for mud and winter if you do a lot of snow driving in the winter is the Baja Boss ATs from Mickey Thompson. They can do it all. If you want a pure mud terrain, I loved my Geolandar MT 003s they just werent perfect for snow like I wanted (I've heard Toyo MTs are great just haven't tested them myself). For daily driving with mild overlanding, I really liked the AT3s from Toyo, they were really light but still have good tread for some light offroading and they were light weight to keep MPGs up. If you are going Falken vs BFG, I'd go falken. Something has happened with BFG in the past 5 years, have not heard a ton of people say great things. My set was ok but wasn't anything spectacular to note. I tend to stay away from wrangler duratracs, super loud. I know a lot of people run nitto and general but no experience...
@@OverlandEngineer Yea, I have heard things about BFG not getting anywhere the mileage anymore. I was leaning Falken since my 4R isnt dedicated off road and I hear good thing about their paved road and winter weather performance. Thanks a bunch
I was watching your vid from last Jan about going to the Falkens. BTW I LOVE those "WHEELS". Have you thought about a discussion on what load range to choose. Everyone talks tires but no one sits back and discusses which load range and why?
I don’t currently on a 4runner but I am looking to buy one in the near future. I’ve had five jeep wranglers and a jeep gladiator. 35’s on a 4Runner seem like they’re not worth it, almost like putting 40s on a jeep. I can’t believe how bad your fuel mileage is, it’s almost making me rethink getting the truck at all. With 37’s on my Rubicon gladiator I was getting mid 16s average. That being said I don’t think I’m going to go bigger than 33s, any idea what kind of mileage I would be getting you put out some great videos, and I’ve been watching them for a while even before I was considering buying a 4Runner. Your truck looks great.!
I have 33’s on my 2021 4Runner Venture. Getting 14/16 MPG mostly running 89 oct. On top of that I have a 3inch lift and level kit, steel front bumper, prinsu roof rack and ladder
I noticed you said they can use a hptuner for the 4runners yet its not on the hptuner supported vehicle list. Do you know if the the hptuner actually works? The guy in your video used the orange tuner instead. I have an hptuner for my pickup and it would be awesome if i could use it for my 4runner as well.
Hey Zach love your content. Quick question, what UCA’s would you recommend for daily driving and very little off road. Currently running Eibach Pro lift with stock UCA’s. Thanks in advanced and keep up the great content 🤙🏽
Are you having issues with the UCAs and not getting a correct alignment? Are they rubbing on your tires? If you don't have current problems, I personally wouldn't change them. Especially if you do very little offroading. If you need to change them, then I would get freedom offroad for a budget option, SPC for adjustability, and dirt king for high end.
I recently upgraded to 295’s with 1.25” wheel spacers and now I’m rubbing my rocker cap pretty bad. I have BMC, Pinchweld, and fender work done, as well as trimmed my rocker cap. My alignment shop was able to max the caster on my stock UCA’s, enough to where I’m not rubbing as bad (rubbing mostly on compressed turns). But seems like they sacrificed a lot of camber in the process. So I’m looking to upgrade my UCA’s to help me get a better alignment. I’m not the most mechanically sound person, so I was looking for as close to maintenance free as possible, or minimal maintenance if any. Thanks in advanced
@@Deezy_yt that’s tricky…I think dobinsons billet UCAs are adjustable but labor intensive and not quite as adjustable but low maintenance. SPCs are more adjustable but will require some more maintenance. I’m going through this now as well. Some people do a relocate of the little rocker bracket so you can clear all that out.
So far no problems. I haven't torn any boots. I have a 1" diff drop bracket though so its probably seeing 2.5" lift at the CV axle. Tinkermans Adventure channel talks about diff drops and CV axle stuff, I'd recommend watching that video too!
Holy hell, single digits for mpg? That is god awful, I really hope the gearing helps you a lot because you don’t ever use 5th gear anymore I bet. Probably not even in 4th gear much either
Unfortunately still using 4th and 5th. The tune would pin me in a higher gear at low RPMs when I needed power. It was preventing gear hunting but then forcing me out of the power band I wanted for acceleration. This tune rocks for stock gears and 33s. I didn’t like its MPG impact for preventing gear hunting…
@@OverlandEngineer I would expect to see 16-18 mpg out of that thing with the correct gearing/tune based on what others are getting on 35s. I’m curious why there’s such a big discrepancy with your rig, I know it’s heavier with all of those mods but anywhere near single digits mpg is crazy. Some trucks come with 35s from the factory and meet epa standards and so on with +15 mpg
@@leveluplife8585 Trucks with engines that make more power🤷🏻♂️ basicallly most 4Runner guys I know on 35s get 12mpg as an average of city vs highway. A tune might help but I’m not optimistic…it’s also dependent on the gas mix. Winter gas mix here might be trash compared to California or Texas or something
@@OverlandEngineer The regears would definitely help a lot on the archaic 4Runner platform. It being a 5 speed auto in the first place hurts it tons in a world where everything has at least 6 gears these days, while anything with off-road in mind has 8-10 gears. Against popular belief I have heard people get better mpg after supercharging because the low end torque to get you moving significantly improves so that may be worth looking into
Relax...I have since regeared...its for all the people that want to do a tune and not regear...I had to try it to be able to show them why that was not smart...
Man..Appreciate you going through this so that everyone can be aware ahead of time. Very informative and detailed explanation of tunes, etc. You da man. Keep it up Zach. Thanks for another great video.
I really appreciate comments like this. Reassures me that people still enjoy long form content. This is what I enjoy making. Thanks!
It boggles my mind how everyone is worried about MPG…. If your so worried about it get a Prius .
Well the big reason is the tank is small. When my MPG is bad, I’m driving less than 150 miles on a tank…that gets real old. I wouldn’t care at all if I had a long range America tank.
well if you want to drive distances and not just be a poser or drive local tracks then it actually does matter
Kind of but people who rig their vehicles up, we want range to travel further. In most cases doing some things to increase mpg is the only way unless you can increase the the tank size or haul Jerry cans with fuel.
Subscribing bc of the mention and gratitude for Tinkerer's Adventure in the comments. Cool.
Awesome! Yeah, I’m all about objective, educational, analytical videos. His clearly take research, experimentation, and time to make. I’d love to go into that level detail for every video but I like making more videos than that and I don’t have the time to go that in depth every week. Mad respect for what they are doing!
@@OverlandEngineer Your channel is great. It's like you're taking Kai's advice (and others) and putting it to a real, everyday test.And there's nothing wrong with that! It's inspiring for us, weekend warrior, to venture out more and get dirty. Your channel is like Kai's and SavageGeese. Keep up the great content! It's awesome
I want the 2023 4runner trd pro so bad. All black. I would most definitely get it tuned.
Nothing to be “skeptical about” all big three manufacturers offer various axle ratios for towing, track packs, off-road packages, oem after sale upgrades. Etc Only pluses except it actually cots a couple dollars
I think with 35s, you really do need to regear and tune. Longer term, I think you need to consider beefier steering linkages, axles, additional cooling for the transmission and possibly gusseted spindles. Tire weight makes a huge difference as well in terms of wear on the drivetrain and most importantly, stopping distance. Stock 4Runner tires are at around 40lbs? 54lbs for certain LTs. 35s come in at around 69? That's considerable. It's great watching your rig develop. Are you going to do an EV conversion any time soon? :))
Hmm...EV would be cool. If I could do an R1S Rivian Drive train swap that could be pretty sweet. I'd likely opt for a tundra engine swap or LS swap before though...haha. Yeah, a lot more goes into running 35s. There will be content coming to explain what I have all researched in that area. More to come!
@@OverlandEngineer hell yeah, LS swap!! I would LOVE to LS mine if I had the knowledge and funds.
Yeah you obliterate the steering components pretty soon. I know people who have gone through 2 or 3
Also running stock gears with 35s. Great video
Still don't understand the point of immediate throttle response. Pedal Commanders are like makeup for women. Just seems like a better ride when it's actually just aging (wearing out) sooner. The stock curve is there to preserve the drivetrain. There is zero HP improvement on the top end. If you want it to go faster, push the throttle further? Lol. If it's an off-road issue, regear it. Highway issue? Supercharge it. Great vid but when you talk about mpg, no crap it gets worse. You wanted them to throw on that makeup.
I would think a before and after tune, with Wideband O2 sensor on a dyno would prove whether the tune does anything other than better throttle response
There are multiple dyno graphs of different 4Runner builds under OTT tune on the 4Runner forums.
Such a long video. Please add chapters next time!
My diesel truck towing my 43' fifth wheel gets the same mpg. 😂
I would do all your upgrades first. Lift kit , tire etc. Then go get the tune. There is a guy in my area that advertises on FB . He is a Master Yota tuner. He claims he will meet up with you at a rest stop along the highway. I am still on the fence. I have a 2022 4 Runner ORP.
VERY good point that very few on here make.... THANKS... I'm considering a SUPERCHARGER on a 4runner... and would definitely need a good TUNE-- and DYNO.... so I need to find somene around the upper east TN area that is GOOD at this and has all the equipment to DYNOTUNE.. THANKS AGAIN.
@demarcusrunsark SPRING HILL TN is the closest I've found for a GOOD one.. that's southeast of nashville I think.. a fair drive.. but not that bad I guess. Don't know how long they'd have to have it though-- to do the install and complete tune..
@demarcusrunsark Well, agreed- but Spring Hill is a drive--- but I think worth it.
How do you feel about doing your tune but not using a dyno to confirm everything. I've heard the best way is to do it at a location with a dyno? Did OTT address that? Doing something by feel vs seeing the actual numbers on a dyno is way different I'm told. With all the various types of terrain overlanders ride in, how do you check that? Unless you live nearby various types of terrain to try it on..
Its basically night and day going from stock to a tune. If I was trying to hit certain performance numbers it might be different. A dyno would keep them honest but OTT has been making the news on peak power numbers with magnuson super charger tunes and they are showing dynos there. I'm sure if you reached out they could explain what the baseline tune does. I think the biggest thing with testing the different terrains is thinking about what speed range you are most likely in that terrain and then deciding what sort of engine torque response you want. I'm not sure on YotaTuned but if you could book a dyno somewhere then maybe they can meet you there haha.
@@OverlandEngineer Thanks, I'm not really sold on the super charger. I'm concerned about adding too many things that will reduce how long the 4R would last. I dont remember seeing a vid fromn you about superchargers, you ever thought about that discussion as a vid?
A little off topic but you brought up you have tried multiple brands of tires. Which ones have you tried on the 4R and which ones did you like the best? Might be a good vid topic in off season...
Yeah this is a really good idea. So far my favorite all around tire for mud and winter if you do a lot of snow driving in the winter is the Baja Boss ATs from Mickey Thompson. They can do it all. If you want a pure mud terrain, I loved my Geolandar MT 003s they just werent perfect for snow like I wanted (I've heard Toyo MTs are great just haven't tested them myself). For daily driving with mild overlanding, I really liked the AT3s from Toyo, they were really light but still have good tread for some light offroading and they were light weight to keep MPGs up. If you are going Falken vs BFG, I'd go falken. Something has happened with BFG in the past 5 years, have not heard a ton of people say great things. My set was ok but wasn't anything spectacular to note. I tend to stay away from wrangler duratracs, super loud. I know a lot of people run nitto and general but no experience...
@@OverlandEngineer Yea, I have heard things about BFG not getting anywhere the mileage anymore. I was leaning Falken since my 4R isnt dedicated off road and I hear good thing about their paved road and winter weather performance. Thanks a bunch
I was watching your vid from last Jan about going to the Falkens. BTW I LOVE those "WHEELS". Have you thought about a discussion on what load range to choose. Everyone talks tires but no one sits back and discusses which load range and why?
I don’t currently on a 4runner but I am looking to buy one in the near future. I’ve had five jeep wranglers and a jeep gladiator. 35’s on a 4Runner seem like they’re not worth it, almost like putting 40s on a jeep. I can’t believe how bad your fuel mileage is, it’s almost making me rethink getting the truck at all. With 37’s on my Rubicon gladiator I was getting mid 16s average. That being said I don’t think I’m going to go bigger than 33s, any idea what kind of mileage I would be getting you put out some great videos, and I’ve been watching them for a while even before I was considering buying a 4Runner. Your truck looks great.!
I have 33’s on my 2021 4Runner Venture. Getting 14/16 MPG mostly running 89 oct. On top of that I have a 3inch lift and level kit, steel front bumper, prinsu roof rack and ladder
Will a tune affect smog? Cali question lol
I've had 35's for about a month with my MRR's, and I just ordered 4.88's a few days ago because I need to recoup some torque. Lol
What brand of 4.88 did you order?
I noticed you said they can use a hptuner for the 4runners yet its not on the hptuner supported vehicle list. Do you know if the the hptuner actually works? The guy in your video used the orange tuner instead. I have an hptuner for my pickup and it would be awesome if i could use it for my 4runner as well.
Hey Zach love your content. Quick question, what UCA’s would you recommend for daily driving and very little off road. Currently running Eibach Pro lift with stock UCA’s. Thanks in advanced and keep up the great content 🤙🏽
Are you having issues with the UCAs and not getting a correct alignment? Are they rubbing on your tires? If you don't have current problems, I personally wouldn't change them. Especially if you do very little offroading. If you need to change them, then I would get freedom offroad for a budget option, SPC for adjustability, and dirt king for high end.
I recently upgraded to 295’s with 1.25” wheel spacers and now I’m rubbing my rocker cap pretty bad. I have BMC, Pinchweld, and fender work done, as well as trimmed my rocker cap. My alignment shop was able to max the caster on my stock UCA’s, enough to where I’m not rubbing as bad (rubbing mostly on compressed turns). But seems like they sacrificed a lot of camber in the process. So I’m looking to upgrade my UCA’s to help me get a better alignment. I’m not the most mechanically sound person, so I was looking for as close to maintenance free as possible, or minimal maintenance if any. Thanks in advanced
@@Deezy_yt that’s tricky…I think dobinsons billet UCAs are adjustable but labor intensive and not quite as adjustable but low maintenance. SPCs are more adjustable but will require some more maintenance. I’m going through this now as well. Some people do a relocate of the little rocker bracket so you can clear all that out.
how are the CVs handling the 3.5+ inches of lift? everything i've researched said with stock CVs we couldn't go over 3"
So far no problems. I haven't torn any boots. I have a 1" diff drop bracket though so its probably seeing 2.5" lift at the CV axle. Tinkermans Adventure channel talks about diff drops and CV axle stuff, I'd recommend watching that video too!
Yaaa tinkerers adventure is the man his channel going to blow up like this one
@@Mellow429 I love his detail. Hoping it keeps growing!
How much did you increase the horse power?
Holy hell, single digits for mpg? That is god awful, I really hope the gearing helps you a lot because you don’t ever use 5th gear anymore I bet. Probably not even in 4th gear much either
Unfortunately still using 4th and 5th. The tune would pin me in a higher gear at low RPMs when I needed power. It was preventing gear hunting but then forcing me out of the power band I wanted for acceleration. This tune rocks for stock gears and 33s. I didn’t like its MPG impact for preventing gear hunting…
@@OverlandEngineer I would expect to see 16-18 mpg out of that thing with the correct gearing/tune based on what others are getting on 35s. I’m curious why there’s such a big discrepancy with your rig, I know it’s heavier with all of those mods but anywhere near single digits mpg is crazy. Some trucks come with 35s from the factory and meet epa standards and so on with +15 mpg
@@leveluplife8585 Trucks with engines that make more power🤷🏻♂️ basicallly most 4Runner guys I know on 35s get 12mpg as an average of city vs highway. A tune might help but I’m not optimistic…it’s also dependent on the gas mix. Winter gas mix here might be trash compared to California or Texas or something
@@OverlandEngineer The regears would definitely help a lot on the archaic 4Runner platform. It being a 5 speed auto in the first place hurts it tons in a world where everything has at least 6 gears these days, while anything with off-road in mind has 8-10 gears. Against popular belief I have heard people get better mpg after supercharging because the low end torque to get you moving significantly improves so that may be worth looking into
@@leveluplife8585 definitely, I’ve also wondered if a full engine swap is something to consider given the price of the supercharger…idk
How much does it cost the full tunning ? the minimum price?
seems to be around 500 hundred usd
"Engineer" and "geek" on info, but you don't regear with 35" tires and the first tune felt a little too much like stock? Dude...
Relax...I have since regeared...its for all the people that want to do a tune and not regear...I had to try it to be able to show them why that was not smart...
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