He probably wasn't even looking for a correct answer. Just a logical attempt at trying to reason out the answer. Hell, just trying to compare it to any other heart anomaly would have probably saved him. Cox would still punish him in some way, but he would keep him around.
Omniorcus All Cox wanted was for Ed to put the work in and show that he had the passion and desire for the job - he wasn’t bothered about whether he got it right or not. The fact that he didn’t even bother to concentrate on this one little assignment proved that he didn’t have it in him.
famguy218 Yep and thats one of the reasons why the last episodes of season 8 are some of the best. Though the spin off the med school one was kinda lame. I mean I watched all 13 episodes but didn't get the same vibe
Admit it. Two days with a text book was waaAaAaaaaaay more mercy than you were expecting from Dr. Cox. Come on, we know he can't help being a good guy.
By this point in the show he had softened a fair bit, and here he was the chief of medicine so he felt it was MORE his responsibility to teach them or someone would die. And originally Ed was doing just as well as the others without having to really try so Cox watched him and tried to teach him but this happened
@Mate Josipovic for sure, there was a reason that scrubs had done as well as it did. Theres only a few things that didnt make as much sense, first to come to mind is Doug but the rest was medically accurate
"Great job, group. I appreciate the effort." That line proves that what he wanted from Ed wasn't the accuracy of knowledge, but a genuine effort and drive to show that they truly wanted to become a doctor and treat patients. Ed shows that he doesn't. He had it coming.
True, if he had given a halfway decent answer that at least seemed like he was dedicated to learning he'd probably be fine. At least not just fired on the spot.
Very true. Not everyone is gonna get this stuff right away, but if they're committed they WILL make the effort and keep doing better. This isn't a job you can just coast on since medical knowledge is always changing and growing.
Scrubs had waaaaaaay better writing than it needed. Cox's final question talks about an abnormality that puts the patient at risk for "sudden death". It reminds us of what's at stake if Ed doesn't know his stuff, justifying Cox firing him.
And what's more important is to recognize the EKG funding of this syndrome which is called Brugada. If you haven't studied your EKGs and don't recognize the classical finding you send someone out to die
Also, there's the double entendre of "sudden death" as in a person dying immediately or as in the final round of a trivia game, which Ed is obsessed with. This is Ed's sudden death question.
@@cosimopastia8389 Ed wasnt a doctor he was an intern He was there to learn Interns barely have permission to go to the bathroom without their attending's supervision So if your criticism is "a doctor wouldn't act like an intern" then you deserve a book to the face
It's actually the reason he got fired. Aziz Ansari got the role as a series regular on Parks and Rec while filming Season 8 and he had to make the decision of being a recurring character on a show that was clearly showing it was wrapping up or being one of the main cast members on a new show. Really it was pretty easy to see why he chose Parks and Rec.
If Ed had shown some effort and at least tried to answer the question, Dr. Cox would have cut him some slack. Ed showed he didn't care, so Cox stopped caring about him.
If he didn´t understand the material and had given some effort Cox would just have insulted him and then explained it, but Cox doesn´t want to waste his time on someone who doesn´t want to learn.
The ebstein anomaly probably is, or close. its a congenital malformation and that book would probably start with development of the heart followed by congenital disease/malformation chapter.
@@ytalodl fair shout since the syndrome is centered around the sodium stream and is congenital, but you need an ECG with ajmaline (since the syndrome can't be seen on a normal ECG) to diagnose it.
It's actually something that should be illegal imo as it's mutilation of the body without the person's consent. I don't care what alternations you do or let do on your body, but you should always have a say in it, even if it's religious. In Germany, we tried to forbid it a few years back, but the Jewish community was too strong and it got turned down.
This wasn't to see if he would learn it all. This was to see if he'd actually try. Everytime Cox saw Ed, he went on about some trivia game. A piece of trivia was more important to him, then learning to help save people's lives. That's why he was fired. He didn't care.
Honestly this is the answer I've been looking for. Everyone's going on about his attitude, respect, work ethic, etc. But honestly that isn't the point. There's many medical fields he could thrive in. But his mind isn't on it. He's not giving it there priority it needs. Most of the symptoms people are prescribing to Ed aren't end all be all attributes. They usually mean something unfulfilling in the workplace, and have more to do with the environment they're un not being suited to them. Ed being fired is probably healthy for both parties, frankly.
@@DaUziel not caring shows he didn't respect Dr. Cox since Dr. Cox gave him the text book and told him to learn. Not caring is also easily part of work ethic. People who don't care usually have poor work ethic and try to bend the rules or just pass the job off to others. I don't even have to explain how not caring is an attitude.
@@tylercherry7424 IMO Cox would've been less pissed if Ed simply hadn't respected him. Cox knew that he himself could be an a-hole sometimes and he didn't have respect for exactly everyone. But for Cox, what Ed did during those 2 days showed that Ed didn't care about the patients, at least not as much as some trivia game. That's the big no in medicine. You can choose not to respect a fellow doctor (not recommended, medicine is still a team-play at times), but you cannot choose not to respect/ care for the patients. After all, what lives are there to save if you don't respect the patients?
This is further emphasised in the finale when he finally reveals his feelings for JD, John Dorian was the only doctor I ever met that cared about patients as much as I do! The struggle for the next lot of interns was always going to be that they would have to compete with JD, who despite the constant harassment from Dr Cox, was an outstanding doctor and person!
@MrTheoneandonly I highly doubt a wrench monkey makes more than an MD anywhere in the world. And if they do no human should live in a shit hole like that.
Pretty much. In medicine, you start at the micro size and then you move to bigger parts. Sodium channels are small gated openings in the heart cell responsible in part for the muscle contraction.
Actually no. He's talking about Brugada Syndrome and it's not very well covered in training. But it's there and it's a life threat. As an emergency physician, I look for it in every EKG and teach my students to do the same.
I’ve come across a thousand people like this, especially in college 😒😒I personally think Cox wouldn’t have fired him if he didn’t know the answer, if he GENUINELY showed he was at least trying. He didn’t.
Emperor Reign This. A lot of people argue that him being fired for not reading that giant book is unfair, but the thing I read into it is that he didn't apply himself. Couldn't be arsed to try hard enough
Agreed. I mean, he's talking about a trivia machine game he's having with his friends the entire time. He's even talking with his friends on the phone about it -during work hours-, and at the very end he brings it up as the reason he doesn't know the answer. I would've fired him too.
As Cox told Elliott in a earlier season, not knowing the answer doesn't make you a bad doctor. As long as you pull your weight in finding the answers as you do at knowing them - asserting yourself in your work - then you're good. But id you're lazy and/or incompetent like Ed is, then you can see yourself out the door
YES. Cox's WHOLE POINT was that Ed infuriates him because he's a lazy genius. He isn't applying himself, and in a profession where peoples' lives are in the balance, not knowing something like that will cause people to die. LMR 1996 hit it on the head: Cox has already said not knowing the answer isn't a bad thing if you then work to learn it. Ed didn't know the answer and fucked off to play more trivia instead. That's why he got fired.
+Kate somethingorother (90sfanforever) Those people don't understand the concept of a job. Those are probably unemployed or having a very, very safe job (government, etc.).
+buxxi90 I'm currently unemployed and I think Dr Cox was justified in firing him. Had he allowed Ed to stay, it would've been a liability to patients and could potentially result in people losing their lives because he was too lazy to study. He even gave Ed a few chances to improve as well but wasted them.
Darkstar263 Don't think I meant all unemployed people, I think everybody had that phase sooner or later. I was more talking about lazy people who can't keep jobs and end up with a lot of -stay-at-home-time
"...And believe you me when I tell you that the next time one of you perpetual disappointments doesn’t even have the common decency to try and do better at something you supposedly do? I will go ahead and toss your sorry ass outta here in about ten seconds and then I will forget you forever in the next five." -Dr. Cox to intern class, Season 3, episode 11.
Yep. This is why JD was made to suffer and Ed simply fired. Whatever JD's shortcomings as a doctor, he gave a damn about the job. Ed always seemed to act like medicine was just something he was doing for fun until his startup took off.
Basically. JD may not have had Ed's talent, but he had an excellent work ethic and went on to become an excellent doctor. Ed could have been one of the best with how talented he was, but he blew it.
I absolutely love this moment. It shows how much Cox cares about the internes or even more about the patients. He could have just given the dude an Ultimatum. Instead he went ahead, gave him a task and tried to activly help him getting his ass up despite having all the Hospital work at hand. That shows that he not only cares about the patients being in good hands but that he also cares about getting young doctors fresh from med school into shape so that they can actually make it as a doctor. Then he gave the dude a question you would literally learn within the first few chapters and after all this if the dude had shown at least some form of trying he wouldn't have fired him there. He at least would have given him like three shots and made a Baseball joke about it getting even easier with every question. This dude just didn't want to learn and didn't care. Zero tolerance for that. Love it
Dr. Cox knew the guy was hella smart and actually had a lot of potential to be a great doctor. That's why he tried to talk some sense into him and gave him opportunities to overthink his attitude. This two days were his last proof that Eds attitude wouldn't change, so he was done putting up with him.
"It's been two days. You're fired." No rant. No vitriol. Didn't even raise his voice. You know the difference between this guy and the other people Cox shouts at? It's that being angry at the kid wasn't fun, because Cox wanted him to succeed. But the kid didn't so Cox stopped caring about him.
Cox is a pretty well written character, he showed indifference and just fired him on the spot. He even gave him a chance to improve. With JD he was really tough because he knew that he had the potential to become a great doctor, and he did, JD was one of the best.
It really puts his relationship with JD into focus. He's continuously made it clear that he thinks JD has the potential to be a great doctor, and thus is hard on him pretty much constantly. Whatever potential Ed might have had, he completely wasted it. There's no hope in someone like that. Even threatening him didn't work.
@@VGamingJunkieVT Yeah, Ed had a lot of potential and started off strong, but at some point, he stopped applying himself. A doctor who doesn't apply himself has no business being a doctor. It is a literal life or death position in a lot of cases.
@@craffaele wrong. Dr. Cox is not an actor, he is a doctor. He is played by an actor John C. Mcginly, who may or may not have saved any lives. But way to to be a smartass.
"So what you're telling me is... Instead of learning how to save peoples lives, you're spending all your time with a trivia game...?" Seriously was so happy when Dr. Cox fired him
@@oz_jonesI think they were trying to say that Ed was originally going to have an arc where he grew up and matured like the other interns but the actor decided to leave the show so they just ended it like this. Remember in the episode before this, he at least knew his shit even though he was lazy and didn’t care. So he still had potential to grow. That arc just got cut short
I think this is some of John C's best work.. anyone would have just played it straight authoritative and stern at the end but there's still regret in there from him.. he reminds me of Michael Keaton, absolutely everything he does is calculated, every little tic humanizes his characters
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 I shudder to think. The intellect of the average social media user is frighteningly low. People seem to be struggling to separate reality from fantasy.
@@calibrazxr750 lisen fucking prick there a difference to what on the page then how its pratried on screen sometimes thats why certin actors are best for certin roles
Not raising his voice. Not insulting. Just simple "You had two days. You're fired." If you know Dr. Cox, this is actually one of his most impressing deliveries of all time.
I'd shit myself if I was in the Hospital Bed and my doctor said "Yeah... I don't know what this X-ray tells me... But did you know the little dots on the i and the j are called a Tittle?"
He was a lot harsher in the beginning of the show, here’s mellowed a lot since then, JD and Turk did rub off on him in that regard. (I think at this point he also became the CoM)
Doug - had a record most executioners would be proud of but he tried his best and wanted to do better so Cox kept trying to teach him JD - screwed up at times drove Cox nuts but JD cared about his paitents and kept learning so Cox carried on teaching him Elliot - drove him nuts and went into private medicine got overwealmed at times but knew her stuff and wasn't affraid to pull out text books if needed so Cox carried on teaching her. Ed - was possibly the strongest achademically but didn't want to learn more and made no effort to do so Cox gave up on him as he had given up on himself.
I am a doctor (the answer to Dr Cox's question is Brugada syndrome) and this hits too close to home. This isn't exactly how this would go down now but very much was for the generation before mine--if your PD (program director) felt you were "not making enough progress" as a resident, they could basically dismiss you at their discretion. I guarantee you the residents who got dismissed were not wasting their time on bar trivia, they were studying their hardest and would have been perfectly fine doctors, it was just that in the old days, they would deliberately hire an intern class larger than they expected to graduate, make them compete to perform the most cheap labor for the hospital, and then discard the ones that didn't make the cut. In medicine there is still a toxic culture that you have to always be studying, you are not allowed to have a personal life or relax even in your off time. Yes you are responsible for people's lives, but you are also a human being and in training--the reason it is so cutthroat is not because of that but because hospitals don't want to hire enough doctors to staff safely and with redundancy, so every doctor has to do the work of multiple people. Don't defend this system, there is nothing good about it
@@Wastelander1972 and your comment is based on how many years in medicine? This is a fictional portrayal meant to suggest residents who got kicked out did so because they were stupid or lazy and didn't want to learn. The actual problem is the "commitment" expected is inhumane--humans biologically need a certain amount of mental and physical rest, it is not physically possible to expect people to be working 80-100 hours a week and then also studying all the time on their off time. Some people can cope better than others but maintaining this system just leads to worse outcomes for patients, worse training for doctors, and extremely smart and compassionate physicians burning out or being deterred from even pursuing a career in medicine at all. Meanwhile, hospitals use the cheap labor to line their pockets
So true in Medical science in pathology, one guy snapped at me (they didn't understand that I had Autism) and was I was doing what they had told me to do.
I find in North America too many people get into medical schools despite clearly not having the academic aptitude for both right and wrong reasons (I grew up in Korea but did undergrad/medical school/radiology residency in Canada with some electives in Germany). I feel that is the single biggest reason why many people end up having to study excessively in their own personal time (and some still failing), rather than the system not hiring enough physicians, while I agree that is true and problematic.
He tried the explanations, but Cox knew by then that it was all just going to be background noise to Ed. "You're fired" cuts the attention-span problem nicely.
Yeah the point of his whole schtick with asking questions but answering them himself is not to see if they can answer his questions when being asked, but if they actually know the answers to his questions.
Doug put in some effort, at least. That effort constantly led to patients dying, but he was determined to do better, which never happened. Switching to pathology was a better career move for Doug, even if he was irresponsible with the bodies.
@@simonatheod6867Ed was already falling behind. He knew his stuff in school, but during his internship, he wasn't up to snuff. He had no drive and believed he was invincible. The look on his face after Dr. Cox fired him was the realization that things got real. Interns like Ed are dangerous, even more so than Doug. Medicine is constantly changing. Try to keep up or stand aside for the doctors willing to work.
Never stop learning your chosen profession. Kelso knew that lesson and did everything it took to know every new procedure to keep up with younger doctors. Dr. Cox, JD, Turk, and Elliot also knew that medicine is a forever changing field and very few, if any, procedures and treatments are still used in the way from when they were originally developed. It doesn't matter how smart you are initially, if you don't keep up with new techniques and information, your fellows will be leaving you behind. Ed wasted his time and money for something he didn't put his focus on entirely and it cost him. Yes, I know this is a fictional show, but my brother was told by a friend of his that Scrubs was more realistic than ER. It's not all life and death situations but a mesh of personalities dealing with their own problems that bleed into work without them knowing. One of Ed's main problems was that he didn't align his priorities correctly. Trivia is fun, but there is a time and place for everything. Fun-time never should supersede work-time. You are there to work, and in a hospital, work means peoples health. Your attitude determines how effective you are and a poor attitude towards work can spell trouble for the hospital as a whole. Do that and you are gone.
@@InfernosReaper Not necessarily. He might have taken the job for granted, and expected it to pay up his student loan eventually. To draw an example: about a year ago I took a loan to buy a laptop. It ended up being a faulty piece of shit and the manufacturer claims that it works up to expected paramiters, but it is shit and overheats like crazy. I am still paying the loan, but barely even notice the small sum every month trickling out of my bank account. Now I have a decent desktop PC, and I care about the money spent on that one because this time I saved the money up first, so I have that context of effort put into it in the first place.
As an emergency physician in my third decade of practice and a fan of both shows I can state that I find the medicine in ER more accurate but the part of medicine that shapes the internal landscape of those who train in medicine was more accurately portrayed in Scrubs than any other TV show
For those wondering: Ebstein anomaly is a rare heart defect in which the tricuspid valve - the valve between the upper right chamber (right atrium) and the lower right chamber (right ventricle) of the heart - isn't formed properly. As a result, blood leaks back through the valve and into the right atrium. ~Mayo Clinic Answer for the second question may be Brugada syndrome, but it could be something else.
when I googled the exact thing Cox said it led me to Brugada syndrome. Now on that page I found "see also: Catecholaminergic polymorphic ventricular tachycardia". I'm guessing its either of those but its just a guess. (I googled it cuz its 4AM and I had nothing better to do)
Cox even warned him in one of the first episodes of the season, that he was worried that his laziness would catch up to him, and tried to warn him. Still didn’t work out
To save anyone the trouble- According to google the answer for the last question was Brugada Syndrome. I thought it was going to be Ebstein Anomaly, asking him the same question after he had two days to study.
In hindsight an easy question would be out of character for Dr. Cox, but to not learn the one question he was asked would’ve really twisted the knife for how little he cared about learning the material.
@@buttonsfan actually an easy question would fit perfectly. Ed's excuse is he didn't "get to that chapter" yet, but then showed he had time to research James Garfield. The question that was asked was probably in chapter 1 or 2, which could be gotten to in 30min to 1 hour depending on your reading skills. the same amount of time Ed could have spent on the phone with trivia and then researching Garfield.
I think one of the most striking things about this was that it's so internally consistent with Dr. Cox even across seasons. I remember there's another exchange they had a few episodes prior, when Dr. Cox is trying to figure out *why* Ed pissed him off so much (his laziness). Ed asked him if he's not doing as well as the other interns, and Dr. Cox told him he's doing "better than most". Ed responds "I dunno, I'm fine with 'better than most', but if that stops being the case then let me know." It circles back to that episode in s2/s3 (can't remember) when they were super close to a perfect shift with no deaths, then right at the end they lose a patient and Elliot doesn't want to call TOD so they can "cheat" and call it a perfect shift anyway. He lays into her, saying "I won't have you of all people cheapen what should be an *endless* pursuit of perfection just because you want the world to laugh with you tonight." He taught her back then, and was trying to teach Ed now that "good enough" isn't *good enough*. Accepting mediocrity is how you kill people. It's one thing to miss a call when you didn't know the answer or it never occurred to you and someone dies as a result... it's another to put off continuing to learn because "ehh good enough", that's borderline negligent. It's similar to when Kelso had to fire Dr. Townsend (Dick van Dyke's char) because his treatments/procedures were out-of-date and he just made the excuses that he's too old and can't keep up with modern medicine.
It was from the first season, episode 12, and one of the things I liked about that moment is when the patient dies and Cox curses quite violently at the missed opportunity and scares Elliot, he sincerely apologises to her. Cox has little regard for J.D and Elliot as people, especially during their Internship and Residency, but he always respects them as doctors; so long as they respect the job also.
I like how this episode teaches the basics about studying, even when you are doing good (better than the others) if you get lazy you'll be left behind in no time.
Truth. I'm on the home stretch of my Bachelors degree for cyber security. Guess what that means? It means not only do I have to keep up with all the new malware, exploits, any new zero days that are discovered, programming, networking, linux/Windows/Apple.. but now I have to take all these classes that have NOTHING to do with IT or cyber security like biology, statistics, humanities etc. etc. I was so done with it, I didn't want to learn about bullshit I was probably never going to use but when I started slacking in those classes I started falling WAY behind and if I didn't pick myself up I would've failed miserably. I started looking at it as an opportunity to expand my mind and learn something new, I started being engaged in class and actually asking questions about stuff I didn't understand. I'm having a much better time now.
Im no doctor or anything, but I have a friend who told me that they've read the same book and the question that Cox asked him is in one of the first few chapters
I'm a nurse, relatively new to the job. Every shift, we met up with doctors with students. In all my time, I noticed the doctors don't need the a right answer. What they wanted was a student commited to getting it right. The specifcs and knowledge can be found and reasoned, but drive and commitment is decided by the individual. Cox didn't need a correct answer, he needed someone who gave a damn about getting it right.
Ron Swanson: I like Tom. He doesn’t do a lot of work around here. He shows zero imitative. He’s not a team player. He’s never wanted to go that extra mile. Tom is exactly what I’m looking for in a government employee.
Honestly this is a perfect reflection of what Dr. Cox said in Season 3 when he scolded the shit out of the interns for basically doing what Ed did here. "First off, let me just say, thank you. For the last couple of months I have been adrift in a sea of puppy dogs, lollypops and let's face it, mediocre metaphors. Luckily, you people were kind enough to piss all over learning a procedure that could determine whether some poor sucker lives or dies and that reminded me of something that I wanted to remind you of. Because you see, I am accountable. I am accountable for the continuous crashing undeniable amateurism that you people drag into this hospital day in and day out, and believe you me when I tell you the next one of you perpetual disappointments doesn't even have the common decency to try and do better at something you supposedly do, I will go ahead and toss your sorry ass out of here in about ten seconds and then I will forget you forever in the next five." I believe the episode with this quote is called My Clean Break.
The actor playing Ed is pretty much the same character in both Scrubs and his character on Parks and recreation. Though he was on scrubs just a very short time I think this had a much more satisfying conclusion to his arc. He is playing an inherently unlikable character in both shows. But here his actions actually had consequences.
I always felt like he at least found his calling as an entrepreneur in Parks and Rec. His lack of care in that show is definitely annoying though, I see your point.
That's pretty bad considering he just wasted 4 years of medical school and $100,000 plus in tuition because he was lazy. If another hospital somewhere doesn't give him a chance, he's done.
Honestly besides deserving this, this was also the best thing for Ed. Either this will be a wake up call to buckle down or to really reconsider if this is what he wants to do with his life.
Its frustrating to see Ed is goofing off the hospital while JD, Turk and Eliott are still studying and grinding their ass-off just be prepared on saving lives. He deserve to get fired.
The profession of a doctor is the most delicate job, you put a human's life in your hands. If your commitment rate is 99%, there is a human being who may die because of that 1% that you were not committed to. Dr. Cox you're the best.
Pretty tragic considering just a few episodes ago he told him he was good but lazy. Meaning a potential great young doctor completely wasted what he could have become because he just couldn't take his work serious enough. I was actually surprised to see how Ed left the show exactly because he was too carefree and someone like Cox eventually came down on him. It's one of those possibilities fans maybe talk about in comments, but you never expect to really see it. I honestly thought he would have eventually pulled himself together like Jo and Katie, but oh well. Also, I LOVED seeing how easily Cox can fire someone after seeing what kind of person he is over all those years of Scrubs. You instantly knew he was doing the right thing after giving someone more than enough fair chances.
Well Cox told him he was way ahead of the rest. But he warned him, that if he ever fell behind because of his lazyness, he would get the boot. Ed fell behind, and Cox was nice enough to give him a chance. 2 whole days (including covering for him so that he actually had time) to study up. Ed wasted those days with bullshit, so Cox sacked him.
Well, the real reason why he was fired was a production one rather than a storytelling reason. See, Aziz Ansari got the role as a series regular on Parks and Rec while filming Season 8 and he had to make the decision of being a recurring character on a show that was clearly showing it was wrapping up or being one of the main cast members on a new show (which was risky as there was no guarantee that the show was going to last or be popular at the start but thankfully for him and his career it paid off). Really it was pretty easy to see why he chose Parks and Rec. It would've been kinda cool to see him for the entire season but really, he was a character that was going to at least need another year before we could get used to him (like Jordan or Keith) and this show was clearly on it's last legs with it's cast as I feel like some of them wanted to move on.
GolSil2468 I think the fact that Ed did not shape up is an interesting lesson on the part of the writers of scrubs. While Denise and Katie fixed their problems, Ed did not because not everybody actually wants to fix it and it's a good lesson in, and in the immortal words of Tyrion Lannister, "the perils of self betterment". Bettering yourself is hard but in the long run you'll be better off for it
I believe Cox wasn't even planning to fire Ed when he gave Ed the task. Notice how initially he said "... and if you don't know the answer, Imma take that textbook, and I am gonna drive it through your skull.", and later "study, or get a book to the face". Cox didn't even cut Ed off and say "you are fired" when Ed said "I didn't actually get to that chapter yet". Firing Ed was not mentioned at all, and obviously wasn't a part of Cox's plan until the very last moment when Ed brought up the "there's a trivia thing". One might argue that getting a book to the face is probably Cox's way of saying "you'd be fired", but seeing how Cox actually bonked his students (in his rant about House, S06E04), it was highly likely that Cox would just whack Ed's face with the textbook instead of firing him.
You kinda see how he hopes that this lazy dude gets his ass in the chair and learn for his sake and to be good enough to help people But he lost his chances, because he didn't care And a part of him was ..dissappointed.
After this particular humiliation he changed his name and moved to a nowhere town called Pawnee Indiana, where he continued to slack his way through life as a low tier government official.
Dr. Cox actually drove something more painful through Ed's skull. A large heaping of concentrated reality. The look on Ed's face as Dr. Cox fired him and walked away spoke volumes. He is already forgotten and left to the cold, unforgiving world with his debts and wasted potential. Literally driving a book, especially a thick tome like that, would've been a mercy killing. Ed wouldn't have learned anything from it.
@@greencello599 True. That hard dose of reality may help him get his shit together elsewhere, and now he's going to have to clear the hurdle of why he got canned from the last place he was, because when they check, Dr. Cox will make it abundantly clear that Ed showed no willingness to put forth any effort, despite his many chances and no matter how much talent he may have had.
For anyone that cares: 1) ebstein's anomaly = congenital tricuspid valve defect that is famously caused by a pregnant mother on lithium. It can cause reversal of the flow of blood through the heart when exacerbated thus resulting in cyanosis. 2) The answer to Cox's last question is likely Brugada Syndrome. Some people here have mentioned long QT syndrome, but it is worth remembering that cardiac repolarization is driven by potassium channels rather than sodium channels. Brugada is specifically caused by a defect in the production of sodium channels as Cox mentions. It is kind of obscure, but not thaaaat obscure so if Ed had done his homework he might have gotten it but it wasn't guaranteed especially when asked out of the blue like that which residents frequently do.
This reminds me of when jd had to fire the guy for not being cut out to be a doctor where he sat him down and nicely explained why. Obviously Ed didn't deserve that kindness. Good on Dr Cox.
The difference between Cabbage and Ed is that Cabbage actually tried. Cabbage did know his stuff, but couldn't apply it correctly. Ed was just lazy, like Dr. Cox said to him earlier. Dr. Cox gave JD a much-needed reality check on who it was that was messing up with the patients. JD didn't like Keith Dudemeister but recognized that he was the best intern in his group while Cabbage was doing more harm than good. Ed never applied himself because he acted like everything was a game. Best to remove the potential problems early on because Ed would've been left behind so quickly that he was a lawsuit waiting to happen. Doug Murphy was a better intern than Ed. At least he kept trying until he shifted his career to Pathology. Left a trail of corpses in his journey along with repeating his third year of residency, but you can't say he didn't try. More than Ed ever did.
He almost certainly asked him a question that could have been answered by studying the beginning of the book. He had enough time to find the answer, he was just being tested on his commitment.
People that blame cox doesn't remember that he made a similar request at JD in a earlier season, asking him if he can find the reason because a patient died, and JD studied night and days on many books, and after admit the failing, cox gave him the response (that was only bad luck). He was testing him and now he tested ed.
Brugada is a very basic condition to know about and if you noted Cox' questions to the others earlier, they were all about congenital heart defects. Ed not knowing about Ebstein's and WPW meant Perry gave him a shot at reading up on what he didn't know about earlier and then learning something new along the same topic. His firing was totally justified as he displayed a lack of interest in learning or getting better.
Trump in 2002 (about Epstein): "... he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." People knew they just didn't care enough to do anything about it
That's what happens when you skate by on talent and never put in the effort. Eventually, the hand-holding stops and you've gotta stand on your own two feet.
You know there's a ton of dudes like Ed that get into medicine because they can afford it but otherwise have no ambition to actually help people, and there's also tons of people who genuinely care and want to be Doctors but can't afford to massive cost associated with learning to become one.
People acting like Cox was unfair were clearly not paying attention. He gave the guy a book, a deadline and plenty of time to study. When the time was up, he asked a basic question where a patient's life was on the line and Ed flubbed it. If that was a real scenario, Ed would have just killed a patient. Even worse, he doesn't show any remorse or desire to change. Get that kid gone.
Arthur Morgan he didn’t refuse. He got too old to keep up with the changes to the medical field and simply couldn’t keep up any longer. He stated it at the end of the episode
@@nathonalexavier1505 Bob Kelso was around the same age but still made time to go to seminars for that. Moreover, that dude flat out refused to listen JD and almost cost a patient their life. Even if you can't keep up with the new stuff, you should at least to keep in the loop on who's actually competent and trust in them.
there is a difference, the friend of Kelso was a doctor that felt too old and tired to keep up with the most modern procedure...for me is much easier to feel sorry for him than for a lazy bum like Ed. The basic motivation are the same, the capacity of the doctors were not enoug for the patient but the reason why such capacity were at such level were deeply different
@@ae4164 I had a mole removed about two years ago from someone who was a temp at a dermatology specialist place. He was about 70 or so and kind of bumbled around with my checkup until he insisted I needed a mole removed that he thought was too dangerous. He used the proper anesthetic, but for days afterward, I was in just waves of pain. Note: I had the same procedure done many times at different intervals for about ten years, I've never been in pain for more than a day or so, maybe three at a stretch. This lasted two weeks. I couldn't believe it, my mom was forced to get a procedure done by him because of her insurance and she said it was even worse for her. For her, he didn't even remember how to operate the table and brought it up and down a few times before the nurse stepped in. We both found out later that he didn't need to remove them, we also refused to go back to the hospital and requested a transfer.
If I remember, Cox disliked Ed for one reason - he didn't care. When he first assessed him, he couldn't work it out. Ed performed better than most Doctors, but he didn't like him. Then he realised, that Ed relied on his high natural ability rather than wanting to be the best Doctor he could be.
Cox DID respect J.D. potential - he could see that J.D. was TRYING, and HAD something worth holding onto - he didn't fire J.D. because he was worth the effort of 'giving another chance'. You don't yell at or rant at or chastize someone you don't care about; you do that to someone you WANT to do better, and you know they CAN do better. Cox gave Ed several chances but realized it was futile because despite the potential and latent ability, Ed didn't care and wouldn't put in the effort, so he just gave up and stopped wasting time and effort on a lost cause.
Also, Cox couldnt fire JD for most of their time together could he? he was only Chief of Medicine toward tye end if the show, it would have been up to Kelso.
My husband had that happened one time to a bunch of people learning how to drive a semi. They were too busy playing basketball rather than go through the material that was required for them to get their permit to learn how to drive a semi. Needless to say not one of them one so far as they get their permit and they were gone within 3 days. And they claimed they had no help.
I used to be a team lead at a factory and had a guy tell me it was unfair that he wasn't allowed to use his phone during working hours...he also came to me one day and informed me that he had only gotten a couple hours of sleep the night before, because he was up all night playing games with his friends (he was 18) so he was going to go take a nap in his car. When I told him that it wasn't my problem that he chose to not sleep, even though he knew he had to work the next morning. And if he took a nap, I'd clock him out so he wouldn't be paid. He tried to complain to HR, saying I was harassing him by expecting him to do his job...
Pretty sure Dr. Cox wouldn't have fired him if he had at least shown SOME effort. Like if he had actually responded with relevant content, even if he didn't get the answer exactly right, to show that he had tried, rather than going on and on about some stupid trivia game. Someone like that really shouldn't be a doctor who literally takes lives into his hands every day as part of his job.
To be honest, i did relate to him, back when he was still doing "better than most students" without putting in the effort, because i allways was quite like him. What so ever firing him for not doing well is more than fair, i liked the idea of having someone just beeing okay with effortless average performance.
Dr Cox wasn't testing Ed's knowledge... he was testing his commitment
Self discipline would be how i'd describe it. Cox was right but i can't help feel sympathetic for him given how much i lacked it when i was young.
Yog Sothoth Yeah, I’d agree with that.
He probably wasn't even looking for a correct answer. Just a logical attempt at trying to reason out the answer. Hell, just trying to compare it to any other heart anomaly would have probably saved him. Cox would still punish him in some way, but he would keep him around.
Omniorcus All Cox wanted was for Ed to put the work in and show that he had the passion and desire for the job - he wasn’t bothered about whether he got it right or not. The fact that he didn’t even bother to concentrate on this one little assignment proved that he didn’t have it in him.
Yeah. Ed didn’t even try. It was just a joke.
to be fair he did give him a chance.
That's the whole point, this isn't about Dr. Cox being mean, it's about not being lazy and applying yourself.
+StylishWrestling Which is why Cox secretly loved JD. He knew that JD loved the job even as much as he did
famguy218 Yep and thats one of the reasons why the last episodes of season 8 are some of the best. Though the spin off the med school one was kinda lame. I mean I watched all 13 episodes but didn't get the same vibe
Striking Darkness My old roommates get upset if I mention that there was a season 9 of Scrubs lol. To them it's non-existent
famguy218 there wasnt a season 9. just a horrible spin off that no one liked.
Admit it. Two days with a text book was waaAaAaaaaaay more mercy than you were expecting from Dr. Cox. Come on, we know he can't help being a good guy.
DudeWatches he's a big softie at heart
By this point in the show he had softened a fair bit, and here he was the chief of medicine so he felt it was MORE his responsibility to teach them or someone would die. And originally Ed was doing just as well as the others without having to really try so Cox watched him and tried to teach him but this happened
@Mate Josipovic for sure, there was a reason that scrubs had done as well as it did. Theres only a few things that didnt make as much sense, first to come to mind is Doug but the rest was medically accurate
@@vampXwriterX13XX
Then again, Doug was comic relief, the only time his character was used to 'prove a point' was when they 'found' his 'talent'
@@Nightdare good point
"Great job, group. I appreciate the effort."
That line proves that what he wanted from Ed wasn't the accuracy of knowledge, but a genuine effort and drive to show that they truly wanted to become a doctor and treat patients. Ed shows that he doesn't. He had it coming.
True, if he had given a halfway decent answer that at least seemed like he was dedicated to learning he'd probably be fine. At least not just fired on the spot.
How clever of you to spot this!
Very true. Not everyone is gonna get this stuff right away, but if they're committed they WILL make the effort and keep doing better. This isn't a job you can just coast on since medical knowledge is always changing and growing.
Scrubs had waaaaaaay better writing than it needed. Cox's final question talks about an abnormality that puts the patient at risk for "sudden death". It reminds us of what's at stake if Ed doesn't know his stuff, justifying Cox firing him.
Brugada syndrome..
M8, what kind of doctor would really behave like Ed in a real life situation? Really, it's so stupid, scrubs' last seasons are pretty dumb.
And what's more important is to recognize the EKG funding of this syndrome which is called Brugada.
If you haven't studied your EKGs and don't recognize the classical finding you send someone out to die
Also, there's the double entendre of "sudden death" as in a person dying immediately or as in the final round of a trivia game, which Ed is obsessed with. This is Ed's sudden death question.
@@cosimopastia8389 Ed wasnt a doctor he was an intern
He was there to learn
Interns barely have permission to go to the bathroom without their attending's supervision
So if your criticism is "a doctor wouldn't act like an intern" then you deserve a book to the face
so he gave up on being a doctor & now he works on parks & recreation
and master of none (which he won an emmy for yesterday :D)
Krishan. P not sure if i know what that is
It's actually the reason he got fired. Aziz Ansari got the role as a series regular on Parks and Rec while filming Season 8 and he had to make the decision of being a recurring character on a show that was clearly showing it was wrapping up or being one of the main cast members on a new show. Really it was pretty easy to see why he chose Parks and Rec.
And wasn't really good on that one either.
ackbarfan5556 dodged a bullet if you ask me.
“What is epstein anomaly?”
He didnt kill himself
Fact
billie0429
That’s the comment I was looking for
YES HE DID NOT KILL HIMSELF
for the record, the questions werent that hard, ebsteins is a lithium associated heart defect, the other answer was brugada's syndrome
You posted it so I don't have to!
He tossed his sorry ass out in about 10 seconds and forgot him forever in the next 5. Just like he promised us in an earlier season.
This ^^^^
Because he IS accountable
If Ed had shown some effort and at least tried to answer the question, Dr. Cox would have cut him some slack.
Ed showed he didn't care, so Cox stopped caring about him.
If he didn´t understand the material and had given some effort Cox would just have insulted him and then explained it, but Cox doesn´t want to waste his time on someone who doesn´t want to learn.
I like to think the question Cox asked him was in chapter 1.
The ebstein anomaly probably is, or close. its a congenital malformation and that book would probably start with development of the heart followed by congenital disease/malformation chapter.
This is something I never thought I would know (not in the medical field). Thanks for the info.
Maybe even the first page
I think is brugada's syndrome...
@@ytalodl fair shout since the syndrome is centered around the sodium stream and is congenital, but you need an ECG with ajmaline (since the syndrome can't be seen on a normal ECG) to diagnose it.
You're being trusted with peoples lives. If you're not going to take that responsibility seriously, you don't deserve to be a doctor.
thank you
Ryan Yoshitani mate it's a to show
+ MrCherubWing yes its a show, but shows are also made for making you think about real life issues
+Sally Yllas The fuck??
It's actually something that should be illegal imo as it's mutilation of the body without the person's consent. I don't care what alternations you do or let do on your body, but you should always have a say in it, even if it's religious. In Germany, we tried to forbid it a few years back, but the Jewish community was too strong and it got turned down.
This wasn't to see if he would learn it all.
This was to see if he'd actually try.
Everytime Cox saw Ed, he went on about some trivia game.
A piece of trivia was more important to him, then learning to help save people's lives.
That's why he was fired. He didn't care.
Honestly this is the answer I've been looking for. Everyone's going on about his attitude, respect, work ethic, etc. But honestly that isn't the point.
There's many medical fields he could thrive in. But his mind isn't on it. He's not giving it there priority it needs.
Most of the symptoms people are prescribing to Ed aren't end all be all attributes. They usually mean something unfulfilling in the workplace, and have more to do with the environment they're un not being suited to them.
Ed being fired is probably healthy for both parties, frankly.
On the plus side he now has much more time to play trivia.
@@DaUziel not caring shows he didn't respect Dr. Cox since Dr. Cox gave him the text book and told him to learn. Not caring is also easily part of work ethic. People who don't care usually have poor work ethic and try to bend the rules or just pass the job off to others. I don't even have to explain how not caring is an attitude.
@@tylercherry7424 IMO Cox would've been less pissed if Ed simply hadn't respected him. Cox knew that he himself could be an a-hole sometimes and he didn't have respect for exactly everyone. But for Cox, what Ed did during those 2 days showed that Ed didn't care about the patients, at least not as much as some trivia game. That's the big no in medicine. You can choose not to respect a fellow doctor (not recommended, medicine is still a team-play at times), but you cannot choose not to respect/ care for the patients. After all, what lives are there to save if you don't respect the patients?
This is further emphasised in the finale when he finally reveals his feelings for JD, John Dorian was the only doctor I ever met that cared about patients as much as I do!
The struggle for the next lot of interns was always going to be that they would have to compete with JD, who despite the constant harassment from Dr Cox, was an outstanding doctor and person!
Morale of story: You can't help people who aren't willing to help themselves. Oh- and the answer to the last question- Brugada Syndrome.
@MrTheoneandonly I don't think this is about money, my dude.
@MrTheoneandonly y r u yelling
@MrTheoneandonly I highly doubt a wrench monkey makes more than an MD anywhere in the world. And if they do no human should live in a shit hole like that.
@MrTheoneandonly well, now he is free to work at a factory
@MrTheoneandonly you dropped out of the program didn't you?
I can nearly guarantee that the question he asked was one of the first things the book covered
Knowing Dr. Cox and how little effort the kid put in, it was probably the very first thing in the book. Not just one of, but the very first thing.
Pretty much. In medicine, you start at the micro size and then you move to bigger parts. Sodium channels are small gated openings in the heart cell responsible in part for the muscle contraction.
Actually no. He's talking about Brugada Syndrome and it's not very well covered in training. But it's there and it's a life threat. As an emergency physician, I look for it in every EKG and teach my students to do the same.
Nah brugada syndrome is super rare. Bad shit but not common enough to be the first thing in a textbook.
Even if it wasn’t dude could’ve said I haven’t come across that yet, but instead he mentions trivia
I love how Dr. Cox just picks him up like he's a child XD
mentally he kinda was
Well, he picked up Elliot to weigh her that one time.
I’ve come across a thousand people like this, especially in college 😒😒I personally think Cox wouldn’t have fired him if he didn’t know the answer, if he GENUINELY showed he was at least trying. He didn’t.
Emperor Reign This. A lot of people argue that him being fired for not reading that giant book is unfair, but the thing I read into it is that he didn't apply himself. Couldn't be arsed to try hard enough
Agreed. I mean, he's talking about a trivia machine game he's having with his friends the entire time. He's even talking with his friends on the phone about it -during work hours-, and at the very end he brings it up as the reason he doesn't know the answer. I would've fired him too.
Certainly I immediately didn't care about his answer so much as him immediately trying to excuse it with James Garfield.
As Cox told Elliott in a earlier season, not knowing the answer doesn't make you a bad doctor. As long as you pull your weight in finding the answers as you do at knowing them - asserting yourself in your work - then you're good. But id you're lazy and/or incompetent like Ed is, then you can see yourself out the door
YES. Cox's WHOLE POINT was that Ed infuriates him because he's a lazy genius. He isn't applying himself, and in a profession where peoples' lives are in the balance, not knowing something like that will cause people to die. LMR 1996 hit it on the head: Cox has already said not knowing the answer isn't a bad thing if you then work to learn it. Ed didn't know the answer and fucked off to play more trivia instead. That's why he got fired.
I love the "wow I really don't give a shit" fake smile on Dr. Cox's face while Ed is explaining the whole electronic trivia game thing to him.
And to think....some there are some Doctors that are really like this. And they really need to be fired.
@89playstation65 Not sure why you'd select doctors for anything other than their ability and commitment to treating patients.
Are there actually people arguing that the firing of Ed was unfair? Really?
+Kate somethingorother (90sfanforever) Those people don't understand the concept of a job. Those are probably unemployed or having a very, very safe job (government, etc.).
+buxxi90 I'm currently unemployed and I think Dr Cox was justified in firing him. Had he allowed Ed to stay, it would've been a liability to patients and could potentially result in people losing their lives because he was too lazy to study. He even gave Ed a few chances to improve as well but wasted them.
Darkstar263 Don't think I meant all unemployed people, I think everybody had that phase sooner or later. I was more talking about lazy people who can't keep jobs and end up with a lot of -stay-at-home-time
Ed would've been as much of a liability as Doug.
Which is why he got a "very, very safe job" working for a Parks and Rec department lol
Or they argue for the sake of arguing, because being contrary gives some purpose to their lives.
"...And believe you me when I tell you that the next time one of you perpetual disappointments doesn’t even have the common decency to try and do better at something you supposedly do? I will go ahead and toss your sorry ass outta here in about ten seconds and then I will forget you forever in the next five."
-Dr. Cox to intern class, Season 3, episode 11.
Honestly this should've gotten more recognition
Yep. This is why JD was made to suffer and Ed simply fired. Whatever JD's shortcomings as a doctor, he gave a damn about the job. Ed always seemed to act like medicine was just something he was doing for fun until his startup took off.
Basically.
JD may not have had Ed's talent, but he had an excellent work ethic and went on to become an excellent doctor. Ed could have been one of the best with how talented he was, but he blew it.
A doctor that can't take responsibility for his job will not take responsibility for his patients
I absolutely love this moment. It shows how much Cox cares about the internes or even more about the patients. He could have just given the dude an Ultimatum. Instead he went ahead, gave him a task and tried to activly help him getting his ass up despite having all the Hospital work at hand. That shows that he not only cares about the patients being in good hands but that he also cares about getting young doctors fresh from med school into shape so that they can actually make it as a doctor. Then he gave the dude a question you would literally learn within the first few chapters and after all this if the dude had shown at least some form of trying he wouldn't have fired him there. He at least would have given him like three shots and made a Baseball joke about it getting even easier with every question. This dude just didn't want to learn and didn't care. Zero tolerance for that. Love it
He would have had a higher mortality rate than doug
It doesn't matter, but it's interesting to see that Ed is the only intern without a clipboard and stethoscope. Shows how unprepared he was.
Dr Cox is being really, really kind to this guy. Ed's a lazy asshole, but Cox just keeps on giving him chances.
Dr. Cox knew the guy was hella smart and actually had a lot of potential to be a great doctor. That's why he tried to talk some sense into him and gave him opportunities to overthink his attitude. This two days were his last proof that Eds attitude wouldn't change, so he was done putting up with him.
Good. John C McGinley once described dr. cox as "a hardass with a heart of gold". Well said.
"It's been two days. You're fired."
No rant. No vitriol. Didn't even raise his voice.
You know the difference between this guy and the other people Cox shouts at? It's that being angry at the kid wasn't fun, because Cox wanted him to succeed. But the kid didn't so Cox stopped caring about him.
Cox is a pretty well written character, he showed indifference and just fired him on the spot. He even gave him a chance to improve. With JD he was really tough because he knew that he had the potential to become a great doctor, and he did, JD was one of the best.
It really puts his relationship with JD into focus. He's continuously made it clear that he thinks JD has the potential to be a great doctor, and thus is hard on him pretty much constantly. Whatever potential Ed might have had, he completely wasted it. There's no hope in someone like that. Even threatening him didn't work.
@@VGamingJunkieVT Yeah, Ed had a lot of potential and started off strong, but at some point, he stopped applying himself. A doctor who doesn't apply himself has no business being a doctor. It is a literal life or death position in a lot of cases.
eaglen00b wtf?
@@eaglen00b And good job, you lose this thread.
He gave him 3 chances! This is absolutly the right decision! He is responsible for people's lifes for f**k sake.
Anybody want to make an estimate on how many lives Dr. Cox just saved?
None, because he's an actor...
Many. But like any doctor , he loses as well
@@craffaele wrong. Dr. Cox is not an actor, he is a doctor. He is played by an actor John C. Mcginly, who may or may not have saved any lives. But way to to be a smartass.
All of them...
@@Mannibal_Lector hes still in the negatives since he let doug be a doctor
"So what you're telling me is... Instead of learning how to save peoples lives, you're spending all your time with a trivia game...?"
Seriously was so happy when Dr. Cox fired him
He should have long time ago
@@JamesSCrockett1 The only reason that he got fired was because aziz got a job on parks and rec
@@jackieboy0005 no, only reason Ed got fired was because he was lazy.
@@jackieboy0005he was hardly a regular in the show and a pretty piss poor character at that. It was bound to happen.
@@oz_jonesI think they were trying to say that Ed was originally going to have an arc where he grew up and matured like the other interns but the actor decided to leave the show so they just ended it like this.
Remember in the episode before this, he at least knew his shit even though he was lazy and didn’t care. So he still had potential to grow. That arc just got cut short
I think this is some of John C's best work.. anyone would have just played it straight authoritative and stern at the end but there's still regret in there from him.. he reminds me of Michael Keaton, absolutely everything he does is calculated, every little tic humanizes his characters
he played it exactly how the script told him to play it. It is called acting.
@@calibrazxr750 Oh really? You made a great discovery, thank you, what would we have done without your wisdom?!)))
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 I shudder to think. The intellect of the average social media user is frighteningly low. People seem to be struggling to separate reality from fantasy.
@@calibrazxr750 lisen fucking prick there a difference to what on the page then how its pratried on screen sometimes thats why certin actors are best for certin roles
Scripts don't really TELL actors HOW to play a scene. Thats all between them and the director, and John C. is a legend.
Not raising his voice.
Not insulting.
Just simple "You had two days. You're fired."
If you know Dr. Cox, this is actually one of his most impressing deliveries of all time.
He is only tough on those he like. The ones he doesn't like...he is completely indifferent.
yes it was one of his most impressive deliveries. very impressive.
For any of you who think that was cruel. Be honest, would you want your life in the hands of someone who is that half assed and indifferent?
Hell, I wouldn't even want a COLLEAGUE like that
because I know I'll be picking up the slack and cleaning up the mess such a person leaves behind
I'd shit myself if I was in the Hospital Bed and my doctor said "Yeah... I don't know what this X-ray tells me... But did you know the little dots on the i and the j are called a Tittle?"
Dr Kelso would've fired him immediately but Dr Cox did give him a chance which says he's not harsh like he tries to be
He was a lot harsher in the beginning of the show, here’s mellowed a lot since then, JD and Turk did rub off on him in that regard. (I think at this point he also became the CoM)
Doug - had a record most executioners would be proud of but he tried his best and wanted to do better so Cox kept trying to teach him
JD - screwed up at times drove Cox nuts but JD cared about his paitents and kept learning so Cox carried on teaching him
Elliot - drove him nuts and went into private medicine got overwealmed at times but knew her stuff and wasn't affraid to pull out text books if needed so Cox carried on teaching her.
Ed - was possibly the strongest achademically but didn't want to learn more and made no effort to do so Cox gave up on him as he had given up on himself.
Aziz Ansari playing Aziz Ansari.
Awful "actor"
As always...
Family Guy did a cutaway bit on him that was perfect.
chikitabowow I never liked this guy. Dude isn’t funny
That’s really all he can do.
He’s a comedian, not an actor.
I am a doctor (the answer to Dr Cox's question is Brugada syndrome) and this hits too close to home. This isn't exactly how this would go down now but very much was for the generation before mine--if your PD (program director) felt you were "not making enough progress" as a resident, they could basically dismiss you at their discretion. I guarantee you the residents who got dismissed were not wasting their time on bar trivia, they were studying their hardest and would have been perfectly fine doctors, it was just that in the old days, they would deliberately hire an intern class larger than they expected to graduate, make them compete to perform the most cheap labor for the hospital, and then discard the ones that didn't make the cut.
In medicine there is still a toxic culture that you have to always be studying, you are not allowed to have a personal life or relax even in your off time. Yes you are responsible for people's lives, but you are also a human being and in training--the reason it is so cutthroat is not because of that but because hospitals don't want to hire enough doctors to staff safely and with redundancy, so every doctor has to do the work of multiple people. Don't defend this system, there is nothing good about it
Good point. The situation is similar when it comes to medical seats in Universities as well.
Umm, no. There’s a level of commitment you need to have to a job. He gave him enough time to learn and he didnt.
@@Wastelander1972 and your comment is based on how many years in medicine? This is a fictional portrayal meant to suggest residents who got kicked out did so because they were stupid or lazy and didn't want to learn. The actual problem is the "commitment" expected is inhumane--humans biologically need a certain amount of mental and physical rest, it is not physically possible to expect people to be working 80-100 hours a week and then also studying all the time on their off time. Some people can cope better than others but maintaining this system just leads to worse outcomes for patients, worse training for doctors, and extremely smart and compassionate physicians burning out or being deterred from even pursuing a career in medicine at all. Meanwhile, hospitals use the cheap labor to line their pockets
So true in Medical science in pathology, one guy snapped at me (they didn't understand that I had Autism) and was I was doing what they had told me to do.
I find in North America too many people get into medical schools despite clearly not having the academic aptitude for both right and wrong reasons (I grew up in Korea but did undergrad/medical school/radiology residency in Canada with some electives in Germany). I feel that is the single biggest reason why many people end up having to study excessively in their own personal time (and some still failing), rather than the system not hiring enough physicians, while I agree that is true and problematic.
You got to appreciate that even though he didn’t have those other guys answer his questions he really just wanted to see their effort
Yeah cause the point is that he doesn´t care if they can give an answer to that question but that they know the answer without being asked.
What, you think they knew there was a president named Garfield?
Dr Cox was 110% right on this. Being a doctor is a serious occupation and this behavior is just plain irresponsible.
Just sayin'
I loved how there was no long speech, no monologue about the importance of their work. Just "you're fired" and you know why
He tried the explanations, but Cox knew by then that it was all just going to be background noise to Ed. "You're fired" cuts the attention-span problem nicely.
Shortly after this, Ed moved to a small town called Pawnee, Indiana and changed his name to Tom
No, I can't allow for suck a lame character get a happy ending so Ed got raped died of aids but his twin bother moved to a small town ect ect.
@@aurahoneydew9607 Are you nuts? Go get checked...
That's why he left scrubs
@@aurahoneydew9607 you deserve worse
want proof cox cared more about effort than knowledge? cox could have fired doug at any point, but doug tried. he was awful. but he tried.
Yeah the point of his whole schtick with asking questions but answering them himself is not to see if they can answer his questions when being asked, but if they actually know the answers to his questions.
Kind of illogical, considering the number of patients he killed. I would honestly rather have ed as my doctor than doug.
Yeah. Cox even once said that being wrong was better than being lazy.
Doug put in some effort, at least. That effort constantly led to patients dying, but he was determined to do better, which never happened. Switching to pathology was a better career move for Doug, even if he was irresponsible with the bodies.
@@simonatheod6867Ed was already falling behind. He knew his stuff in school, but during his internship, he wasn't up to snuff. He had no drive and believed he was invincible. The look on his face after Dr. Cox fired him was the realization that things got real. Interns like Ed are dangerous, even more so than Doug. Medicine is constantly changing. Try to keep up or stand aside for the doctors willing to work.
I thought it was pretty amazing Cox gave him the chance to actually learn even after the spiel about the game. I'd have fired him then and there.
Dr Cox is tough but ultimately fair.
I think he gave him the time so he couldn’t protest his decision later
Wow. Watch out for this tough guy @NalaBear1987
Never stop learning your chosen profession. Kelso knew that lesson and did everything it took to know every new procedure to keep up with younger doctors. Dr. Cox, JD, Turk, and Elliot also knew that medicine is a forever changing field and very few, if any, procedures and treatments are still used in the way from when they were originally developed. It doesn't matter how smart you are initially, if you don't keep up with new techniques and information, your fellows will be leaving you behind. Ed wasted his time and money for something he didn't put his focus on entirely and it cost him. Yes, I know this is a fictional show, but my brother was told by a friend of his that Scrubs was more realistic than ER. It's not all life and death situations but a mesh of personalities dealing with their own problems that bleed into work without them knowing. One of Ed's main problems was that he didn't align his priorities correctly. Trivia is fun, but there is a time and place for everything. Fun-time never should supersede work-time. You are there to work, and in a hospital, work means peoples health. Your attitude determines how effective you are and a poor attitude towards work can spell trouble for the hospital as a whole. Do that and you are gone.
To be real, with that attitude, it was clearly his dad's money.
Another way Scrubs is more realistic than other medical dramas: you actually see the hospital chaplain on occasion.
@@InfernosReaper Not necessarily. He might have taken the job for granted, and expected it to pay up his student loan eventually. To draw an example: about a year ago I took a loan to buy a laptop. It ended up being a faulty piece of shit and the manufacturer claims that it works up to expected paramiters, but it is shit and overheats like crazy. I am still paying the loan, but barely even notice the small sum every month trickling out of my bank account. Now I have a decent desktop PC, and I care about the money spent on that one because this time I saved the money up first, so I have that context of effort put into it in the first place.
As an emergency physician in my third decade of practice and a fan of both shows I can state that I find the medicine in ER more accurate but the part of medicine that shapes the internal landscape of those who train in medicine was more accurately portrayed in Scrubs than any other TV show
For those wondering:
Ebstein anomaly is a rare heart defect in which the tricuspid valve - the valve between the upper right chamber (right atrium) and the lower right chamber (right ventricle) of the heart - isn't formed properly. As a result, blood leaks back through the valve and into the right atrium. ~Mayo Clinic
Answer for the second question may be Brugada syndrome, but it could be something else.
Cool
Its that Epstein didnt kill himself
I thought the second was tetrodotoxin (pufferfish thing)
when I googled the exact thing Cox said it led me to Brugada syndrome. Now on that page I found "see also: Catecholaminergic polymorphic ventricular tachycardia".
I'm guessing its either of those but its just a guess.
(I googled it cuz its 4AM and I had nothing better to do)
Any of these answers would have been enough. Ed didn't have any answer
play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
After he got fired, he got his act together, decided to go by his real name, and move to Pawne.
I was happy to see him go he was very annoying
And in a few episodes... recognize!
I'm totally with you.
Zwa
Same. Seeing him get fired was so satisfying, mostly because Aziz is excruciatingly unfunny.
Low key racism in here.
Cox even warned him in one of the first episodes of the season, that he was worried that his laziness would catch up to him, and tried to warn him. Still didn’t work out
To save anyone the trouble-
According to google the answer for the last question was Brugada Syndrome.
I thought it was going to be Ebstein Anomaly, asking him the same question after he had two days to study.
In hindsight an easy question would be out of character for Dr. Cox, but to not learn the one question he was asked would’ve really twisted the knife for how little he cared about learning the material.
Here here
Ah thank you! I was wondering what the sodium channel abnormality was called!
@@buttonsfan lol these are all easy questions that any med student should get
@@buttonsfan actually an easy question would fit perfectly. Ed's excuse is he didn't "get to that chapter" yet, but then showed he had time to research James Garfield. The question that was asked was probably in chapter 1 or 2, which could be gotten to in 30min to 1 hour depending on your reading skills. the same amount of time Ed could have spent on the phone with trivia and then researching Garfield.
"If you're not working (to be) here, you don't (work here). Get out."
I don't get it
@Evi1M4chine are you having a stroke?
@Evi1M4chine Daf*q? There was nothing wrong with that.
I think one of the most striking things about this was that it's so internally consistent with Dr. Cox even across seasons. I remember there's another exchange they had a few episodes prior, when Dr. Cox is trying to figure out *why* Ed pissed him off so much (his laziness). Ed asked him if he's not doing as well as the other interns, and Dr. Cox told him he's doing "better than most". Ed responds "I dunno, I'm fine with 'better than most', but if that stops being the case then let me know."
It circles back to that episode in s2/s3 (can't remember) when they were super close to a perfect shift with no deaths, then right at the end they lose a patient and Elliot doesn't want to call TOD so they can "cheat" and call it a perfect shift anyway. He lays into her, saying "I won't have you of all people cheapen what should be an *endless* pursuit of perfection just because you want the world to laugh with you tonight."
He taught her back then, and was trying to teach Ed now that "good enough" isn't *good enough*. Accepting mediocrity is how you kill people. It's one thing to miss a call when you didn't know the answer or it never occurred to you and someone dies as a result... it's another to put off continuing to learn because "ehh good enough", that's borderline negligent. It's similar to when Kelso had to fire Dr. Townsend (Dick van Dyke's char) because his treatments/procedures were out-of-date and he just made the excuses that he's too old and can't keep up with modern medicine.
It was from the first season, episode 12, and one of the things I liked about that moment is when the patient dies and Cox curses quite violently at the missed opportunity and scares Elliot, he sincerely apologises to her. Cox has little regard for J.D and Elliot as people, especially during their Internship and Residency, but he always respects them as doctors; so long as they respect the job also.
I fully agree with you, but I also had a laugh. Shortening "time of death" to TOD is funny, just because "Tod" is german and means "death"...
@@ottokarl5427 and Todd is a surgeon
I like how this episode teaches the basics about studying, even when you are doing good (better than the others) if you get lazy you'll be left behind in no time.
Truth. I'm on the home stretch of my Bachelors degree for cyber security. Guess what that means? It means not only do I have to keep up with all the new malware, exploits, any new zero days that are discovered, programming, networking, linux/Windows/Apple.. but now I have to take all these classes that have NOTHING to do with IT or cyber security like biology, statistics, humanities etc. etc. I was so done with it, I didn't want to learn about bullshit I was probably never going to use but when I started slacking in those classes I started falling WAY behind and if I didn't pick myself up I would've failed miserably. I started looking at it as an opportunity to expand my mind and learn something new, I started being engaged in class and actually asking questions about stuff I didn't understand. I'm having a much better time now.
Im no doctor or anything, but I have a friend who told me that they've read the same book and the question that Cox asked him is in one of the first few chapters
Brilliant :D
I'm a nurse, relatively new to the job. Every shift, we met up with doctors with students. In all my time, I noticed the doctors don't need the a right answer. What they wanted was a student commited to getting it right. The specifcs and knowledge can be found and reasoned, but drive and commitment is decided by the individual.
Cox didn't need a correct answer, he needed someone who gave a damn about getting it right.
Ed could have had some fun and made a trivia game for the heart. Come on man Dr. Cox giving anyone a chance is impressive in itself.
So see the guy in purple scrubs behind Azis in like every shot, sometimes walking in the same direction repeatedly? That's me.
I think that’s awesome! What else were you in?
You walked by like 5 times lol.
It's like Ed was being paid to study. Normally, you're expected to know this shit in advance. Can't get much more merciful than that.
His laziness is no problem for government work... It's encouraged by one Ron Swanson
Ron Swanson: I like Tom. He doesn’t do a lot of work around here. He shows zero imitative. He’s not a team player. He’s never wanted to go that extra mile. Tom is exactly what I’m looking for in a government employee.
Honestly this is a perfect reflection of what Dr. Cox said in Season 3 when he scolded the shit out of the interns for basically doing what Ed did here.
"First off, let me just say, thank you. For the last couple of months I have been adrift in a sea of puppy dogs, lollypops and let's face it, mediocre metaphors. Luckily, you people were kind enough to piss all over learning a procedure that could determine whether some poor sucker lives or dies and that reminded me of something that I wanted to remind you of. Because you see, I am accountable. I am accountable for the continuous crashing undeniable amateurism that you people drag into this hospital day in and day out, and believe you me when I tell you the next one of you perpetual disappointments doesn't even have the common decency to try and do better at something you supposedly do, I will go ahead and toss your sorry ass out of here in about ten seconds and then I will forget you forever in the next five."
I believe the episode with this quote is called My Clean Break.
Dr cox is such an amazing person in this clip who goes above and beyond what any attending would do
People like dr cox are rare in the medical field
This is my favorite scene in Scrubs - just too darn satisfying.
The actor playing Ed is pretty much the same character in both Scrubs and his character on Parks and recreation.
Though he was on scrubs just a very short time I think this had a much more satisfying conclusion to his arc.
He is playing an inherently unlikable character in both shows.
But here his actions actually had consequences.
Extremely unlikeable character, he actually took a lot from Parks and Rec from me. Couldn't stand him.
I always felt like he at least found his calling as an entrepreneur in Parks and Rec. His lack of care in that show is definitely annoying though, I see your point.
Aziz Ansari playing Aziz Ansari
True. Very satisfying to see him get shitcanned! Kind of made me feel like Tom Haverford was getting the boot (god he was an annoying character).
@@daverage4729 He had depth.
That's pretty bad considering he just wasted 4 years of medical school and $100,000 plus in tuition because he was lazy. If another hospital somewhere doesn't give him a chance, he's done.
Now imagine why these Social studies feminists are so angry XD
Probably wasn't even his money given the attitude... SMH.
theenigmaticmrwu You haven't been to a doctor recently, have you?
That's what they're like now.
It's Terrifying.
how did he make it through med school without being distracted?
Oh like you know.
Honestly besides deserving this, this was also the best thing for Ed. Either this will be a wake up call to buckle down or to really reconsider if this is what he wants to do with his life.
He moved to Pawnee
Its frustrating to see Ed is goofing off the hospital while JD, Turk and Eliott are still studying and grinding their ass-off just be prepared on saving lives. He deserve to get fired.
Hell, even doug survived in the sacred heart. Ed sure was a trash human being
The profession of a doctor is the most delicate job, you put a human's life in your hands. If your commitment rate is 99%, there is a human being who may die because of that 1% that you were not committed to.
Dr. Cox you're the best.
That was such a satisfying scene, I hated that guy
just goes to show how good an actor Aziz is to make is loathe him so much. :)
Wow, Cox was way more patient here than I'd imagine.
Pretty tragic considering just a few episodes ago he told him he was good but lazy.
Meaning a potential great young doctor completely wasted what he could have become because he just couldn't take his work serious enough. I was actually surprised to see how Ed left the show exactly because he was too carefree and someone like Cox eventually came down on him. It's one of those possibilities fans maybe talk about in comments, but you never expect to really see it. I honestly thought he would have eventually pulled himself together like Jo and Katie, but oh well.
Also, I LOVED seeing how easily Cox can fire someone after seeing what kind of person he is over all those years of Scrubs. You instantly knew he was doing the right thing after giving someone more than enough fair chances.
Well Cox told him he was way ahead of the rest. But he warned him, that if he ever fell behind because of his lazyness, he would get the boot. Ed fell behind, and Cox was nice enough to give him a chance. 2 whole days (including covering for him so that he actually had time) to study up. Ed wasted those days with bullshit, so Cox sacked him.
Well, the real reason why he was fired was a production one rather than a storytelling reason. See, Aziz Ansari got the role as a series regular on Parks and Rec while filming Season 8 and he had to make the decision of being a recurring character on a show that was clearly showing it was wrapping up or being one of the main cast members on a new show (which was risky as there was no guarantee that the show was going to last or be popular at the start but thankfully for him and his career it paid off). Really it was pretty easy to see why he chose Parks and Rec. It would've been kinda cool to see him for the entire season but really, he was a character that was going to at least need another year before we could get used to him (like Jordan or Keith) and this show was clearly on it's last legs with it's cast as I feel like some of them wanted to move on.
I wonder if you know that this was a fictional show?
@@mynameisgladiator1933 Why is there always someone saying that? You think he doesn't it's fictional? What the hell are you on about?
GolSil2468 I think the fact that Ed did not shape up is an interesting lesson on the part of the writers of scrubs. While Denise and Katie fixed their problems, Ed did not because not everybody actually wants to fix it and it's a good lesson in, and in the immortal words of Tyrion Lannister, "the perils of self betterment". Bettering yourself is hard but in the long run you'll be better off for it
I believe Cox wasn't even planning to fire Ed when he gave Ed the task. Notice how initially he said "... and if you don't know the answer, Imma take that textbook, and I am gonna drive it through your skull.", and later "study, or get a book to the face". Cox didn't even cut Ed off and say "you are fired" when Ed said "I didn't actually get to that chapter yet". Firing Ed was not mentioned at all, and obviously wasn't a part of Cox's plan until the very last moment when Ed brought up the "there's a trivia thing".
One might argue that getting a book to the face is probably Cox's way of saying "you'd be fired", but seeing how Cox actually bonked his students (in his rant about House, S06E04), it was highly likely that Cox would just whack Ed's face with the textbook instead of firing him.
He didn't take it seriously he was always goofing around so Dr cox was absolutely right to fire him
You kinda see how he hopes that this lazy dude gets his ass in the chair and learn for his sake and to be good enough to help people
But he lost his chances, because he didn't care
And a part of him was ..dissappointed.
After this particular humiliation he changed his name and moved to a nowhere town called Pawnee Indiana, where he continued to slack his way through life as a low tier government official.
The only disappointing part of that last scene is he didn't actually drive that book through his skull like said he would.
Dr. Cox actually drove something more painful through Ed's skull. A large heaping of concentrated reality. The look on Ed's face as Dr. Cox fired him and walked away spoke volumes. He is already forgotten and left to the cold, unforgiving world with his debts and wasted potential. Literally driving a book, especially a thick tome like that, would've been a mercy killing. Ed wouldn't have learned anything from it.
@@greencello599 True. That hard dose of reality may help him get his shit together elsewhere, and now he's going to have to clear the hurdle of why he got canned from the last place he was, because when they check, Dr. Cox will make it abundantly clear that Ed showed no willingness to put forth any effort, despite his many chances and no matter how much talent he may have had.
He gave him way more of a chance than I thought he was gonna.
For anyone that cares:
1) ebstein's anomaly = congenital tricuspid valve defect that is famously caused by a pregnant mother on lithium. It can cause reversal of the flow of blood through the heart when exacerbated thus resulting in cyanosis.
2) The answer to Cox's last question is likely Brugada Syndrome. Some people here have mentioned long QT syndrome, but it is worth remembering that cardiac repolarization is driven by potassium channels rather than sodium channels. Brugada is specifically caused by a defect in the production of sodium channels as Cox mentions. It is kind of obscure, but not thaaaat obscure so if Ed had done his homework he might have gotten it but it wasn't guaranteed especially when asked out of the blue like that which residents frequently do.
Don't worry guys. There are definitely words...
@@tsnap4 I'm sorry I didn't understand this comment. Was something I said wrong/unclear?
For anyone wondering, the song at the end is called 'Innocent' by "Our Lady Peace".
To Cox's credit he's tough but fair. It's not the knowing, it's the effort.
I thought this was a far fetched idea but i have had it reaffirmed in life too many times
This reminds me of when jd had to fire the guy for not being cut out to be a doctor where he sat him down and nicely explained why.
Obviously Ed didn't deserve that kindness. Good on Dr Cox.
CABBAGE!
cabbage accidentally killed that poor woman to by infecting her
The difference between Cabbage and Ed is that Cabbage actually tried. Cabbage did know his stuff, but couldn't apply it correctly. Ed was just lazy, like Dr. Cox said to him earlier. Dr. Cox gave JD a much-needed reality check on who it was that was messing up with the patients. JD didn't like Keith Dudemeister but recognized that he was the best intern in his group while Cabbage was doing more harm than good. Ed never applied himself because he acted like everything was a game. Best to remove the potential problems early on because Ed would've been left behind so quickly that he was a lawsuit waiting to happen. Doug Murphy was a better intern than Ed. At least he kept trying until he shifted his career to Pathology. Left a trail of corpses in his journey along with repeating his third year of residency, but you can't say he didn't try. More than Ed ever did.
He almost certainly asked him a question that could have been answered by studying the beginning of the book. He had enough time to find the answer, he was just being tested on his commitment.
People that blame cox doesn't remember that he made a similar request at JD in a earlier season, asking him if he can find the reason because a patient died, and JD studied night and days on many books, and after admit the failing, cox gave him the response (that was only bad luck). He was testing him and now he tested ed.
I had actully forgotten about that
Brugada is a very basic condition to know about and if you noted Cox' questions to the others earlier, they were all about congenital heart defects. Ed not knowing about Ebstein's and WPW meant Perry gave him a shot at reading up on what he didn't know about earlier and then learning something new along the same topic. His firing was totally justified as he displayed a lack of interest in learning or getting better.
How is Brugada basic. It's a rare condition and barely discussed in practice
Epsteins anomaly is how did he last so long before being arrested for child trafficking
Horribly underrated
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I wonder if Epstein’s Anomaly was the mysterious “illness” that drove him to hang himself with paper sheets.
Trump in 2002 (about Epstein): "... he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." People knew they just didn't care enough to do anything about it
4 years of college and another 4 years of medical school. Just to get fired during residency.
That's what happens when you skate by on talent and never put in the effort. Eventually, the hand-holding stops and you've gotta stand on your own two feet.
Honestly this isn't even about lives or being a doctor. If you act like that in ANY job you should be fired.
Hospitality will fire you. Warehousing won’t get rid of you unless you have a drug problem or injure someone.
@@JayAshBranAudioScripts Yeah I agree, hence the "should" and not "will" lol.
"Study or get a book to the face" great words haha
"It's been two days, you're fired." it's not even my job but i feel like i was :(
You know there's a ton of dudes like Ed that get into medicine because they can afford it but otherwise have no ambition to actually help people, and there's also tons of people who genuinely care and want to be Doctors but can't afford to massive cost associated with learning to become one.
"How does that sounds?" "Pretty firghtening!" XD
Then Ed changed his name to Tom Haverford and moved to the city of Pawnee Indiana.
It’s all good, he changed his name, moved to Pawnee and got a government job
People acting like Cox was unfair were clearly not paying attention. He gave the guy a book, a deadline and plenty of time to study. When the time was up, he asked a basic question where a patient's life was on the line and Ed flubbed it. If that was a real scenario, Ed would have just killed a patient. Even worse, he doesn't show any remorse or desire to change. Get that kid gone.
This reminds me of back in season two when Kelso's friend refuses to keep up with all the current medical procedures and winds up getting fired for it
Arthur Morgan he didn’t refuse. He got too old to keep up with the changes to the medical field and simply couldn’t keep up any longer. He stated it at the end of the episode
Sadly, that's pretty common in medicine. Lots of old relics still practicing medicine the way they learned it 30 years ago.
@@nathonalexavier1505 Bob Kelso was around the same age but still made time to go to seminars for that.
Moreover, that dude flat out refused to listen JD and almost cost a patient their life. Even if you can't keep up with the new stuff, you should at least to keep in the loop on who's actually competent and trust in them.
there is a difference, the friend of Kelso was a doctor that felt too old and tired to keep up with the most modern procedure...for me is much easier to feel sorry for him than for a lazy bum like Ed. The basic motivation are the same, the capacity of the doctors were not enoug for the patient but the reason why such capacity were at such level were deeply different
@@ae4164 I had a mole removed about two years ago from someone who was a temp at a dermatology specialist place. He was about 70 or so and kind of bumbled around with my checkup until he insisted I needed a mole removed that he thought was too dangerous.
He used the proper anesthetic, but for days afterward, I was in just waves of pain. Note: I had the same procedure done many times at different intervals for about ten years, I've never been in pain for more than a day or so, maybe three at a stretch. This lasted two weeks. I couldn't believe it, my mom was forced to get a procedure done by him because of her insurance and she said it was even worse for her.
For her, he didn't even remember how to operate the table and brought it up and down a few times before the nurse stepped in. We both found out later that he didn't need to remove them, we also refused to go back to the hospital and requested a transfer.
If I remember, Cox disliked Ed for one reason - he didn't care.
When he first assessed him, he couldn't work it out. Ed performed better than most Doctors, but he didn't like him. Then he realised, that Ed relied on his high natural ability rather than wanting to be the best Doctor he could be.
Guess J.D was the only intern he respected despite never showing it
Cox DID respect J.D. potential - he could see that J.D. was TRYING, and HAD something worth holding onto - he didn't fire J.D. because he was worth the effort of 'giving another chance'. You don't yell at or rant at or chastize someone you don't care about; you do that to someone you WANT to do better, and you know they CAN do better.
Cox gave Ed several chances but realized it was futile because despite the potential and latent ability, Ed didn't care and wouldn't put in the effort, so he just gave up and stopped wasting time and effort on a lost cause.
how did he not respect this guy? Gave him two days to put up or shut up
Also, Cox couldnt fire JD for most of their time together could he? he was only Chief of Medicine toward tye end if the show, it would have been up to Kelso.
I really like this scene because this is probably one which is so close to reality as it can be and it has a nice message as well.
wtf? i know its fiction, how the hell can someone tell his instructor, he couldnt do the work, because he was playing games?
You know what's sadder? THAT isn't fiction. That's how people actually are.
My husband had that happened one time to a bunch of people learning how to drive a semi. They were too busy playing basketball rather than go through the material that was required for them to get their permit to learn how to drive a semi. Needless to say not one of them one so far as they get their permit and they were gone within 3 days. And they claimed they had no help.
simple. He didn't want to be there.
I used to be a team lead at a factory and had a guy tell me it was unfair that he wasn't allowed to use his phone during working hours...he also came to me one day and informed me that he had only gotten a couple hours of sleep the night before, because he was up all night playing games with his friends (he was 18) so he was going to go take a nap in his car. When I told him that it wasn't my problem that he chose to not sleep, even though he knew he had to work the next morning. And if he took a nap, I'd clock him out so he wouldn't be paid. He tried to complain to HR, saying I was harassing him by expecting him to do his job...
And people are defending the portrayal of this clown.. That's more worrying
If anybody was still wondering: it’s Brugada syndrome
Pretty sure Dr. Cox wouldn't have fired him if he had at least shown SOME effort. Like if he had actually responded with relevant content, even if he didn't get the answer exactly right, to show that he had tried, rather than going on and on about some stupid trivia game. Someone like that really shouldn't be a doctor who literally takes lives into his hands every day as part of his job.
Yeah, absolutely. In the real world if you get pimped and you answer wrong but show effort you will still pass, maybe not honors but pass.
To be honest, i did relate to him, back when he was still doing "better than most students" without putting in the effort, because i allways was quite like him. What so ever firing him for not doing well is more than fair, i liked the idea of having someone just beeing okay with effortless average performance.