Lens position memory is THE only want I can see from this projector so far. I've ordered the Max model, so we'll see what happens by the time it comes out.
I am a backer for the Max. I currently own a BenQ HT3550 with about 1,500 lamp hours which will need replacement at some point (hopefully after the Max is delivered) plus since I am also going from a 106" screen to 135" the extra lumens will be appreciated.
The "native contrast" rating of 4000:1 is actually with some EBL activated. The true native contrast will be half that, at most. The real draw of this projector is the brightness, the dynamic contrast, built-in DTM and the WCG with arguably at the most competitive price point on the market.
It’s still really good for a DLP but this is accurate. Laser has made for some big improvements in color/contrast in DLP ls but there are always some downsides to the tech. The influencer sphere has really embraced this thing but I’m waiting for some more ‘pro’ reviews to make a determination. Right now I’m using a BenQ HT4550i/W5000 and it’s arguably the best single chip DLP I’ve ever seen. The big problem here is the looming horizon of affordable large format displays. Projectors need to be getting more affordable but it appears they are just getting pricier. My next stop would normally be a JVC/Sony but there is no way I’m dropping $6K on a projector that isn’t any brighter or has any more color gamut coverage than my current BenQ. That 4550i is really hitting a sweet spot for price/performance right now.
@sage11x I'd rather have 90% of DCI-P3 coverage with 40,000:1 real native contrast @ 1800 calibrated lumens and excellent lens shift than 100% of DCI-P3 coverage with 2,000:1 real native contrast @ 2500 calibrated lumens and little to no lens shift. In my thinking, it's easy to get a positive gain screen for the 1800 calibrated lumens and still have a superior black floor, contrast and all without the risk of laser speckle and RBE. Because of this, I'll personally be content spending a little more on something like the JVC NZ500 any day. Others will be more than content with the performance of the Valerion DLP at half the cost, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just know I'd always be subconsciously watching for laser speckle, RBE and elevated blacks if I were to have the DLP, instead of focusing all my attention on the film.
@@sage11x I wouldn't consider 20K affordable for a lot of people. At retail you'll probably be able to get this and a 120" screen probably for less than 5K. And this will happily go much bigger too. We definitely ain't getting 150" TVs for less than 10K anytime soon. Hopefully prices come down on the TVs but at present they're mini led which comes with its own disadvantages. By the time mico led is affordable at 120" plus.. we're talking years. And I'll be very surprised if we ever get oled that size.
Hi, I was the one who asked for the lens memory for the Max. It's either lens nemory or some form of automatic aspect ratio detection for constant image height screen setup. I haven't Kickstarted yet but I'm planning to near the end for the Max
Hi kevis, this projector's gotten great reviews from all of the youtubers. If the Max is coming out with lens memory it's definitely going to be a turning point in the market jvc, Sony and Epson projectors that have lens memory.
So far what's going on here kinda reminds me of Arpara 5K headset which was getting super great reviews and everyone had ordered it until we saw crazy funding, but guess what? They didn't even deliver a single unit from Kickstarter, so I won't trust reviews blindly and as from what I heard they took some of campaign money to make more positive reviews and rest went into china for production where they actually sold them, everyone else? Said good bye to their money and guess what they had 1200 backers which is exactly how much Valerion now have, so I hope this lives to expectations
Whilst it would be great if they include lens memory natively it's compatible with smart home technologies. So I don't see why you couldn't change it's zoom via IP from a decent smart remote. But if that's your use case for 2.4:1 you might want to hold off and see how the AWOL Vision Max turns out as it has native 2.4:1 support. Hopefully the technology being used here makes it into the Vision Max too.
Hi Kevis. I agree the specs of the max look good based on the reviews of the lower echelon models where they have looked great.. What keeps me from getting interested ( which may affect others, maybe even yourself as a fellow Epson owner) the lens is limited to a 1.5 throw. The Epson lens on the 5050 which I have goes all the way to 2.1. I believe higher multiplier lenses are harder to do with DLP hence they are less common (and usually expensive) This means with the epson I can get to 120" 16x9 from a 4.20 metre throw. No can do with the valerion. Before you get too excited I'd be getting the laser measurer out and doing a lense to screen measurement and or working out how you can bring the projector location closer if needs be.. The only way DLP will ever stomp all over the established brands territory is by making them truly placement flexible. Really that's 1.6x and above.
@@stevenlawrence2232 I'd argue it's throw distance range is a massive advantage. Fully zoomed it has a throw ratio of 0.9. That means you can project a 120" image from just 8 ft away, which is closer than you sit. Not only will it be much brighter because it's much closer but you won't be between it and the screen when you stand up. On Epson's new higher end projectors they charge A LOT of money for the lens that's capable of doing this. I'm confused why you want the projector to be further away?
@@paulc5389ok, well I don't want a projector hanging out on a coffee table in the middle of my room disrupting the path between my centre speaker and the main listening position, I don't really want to ceiling mount it, most people that have been doing the projector thing for a while know that they deliver their best blend of contrast vs brightness at mid zoom or thereabouts, which is where my Epson is at, at the back of the room on a shelf at mid screen height.
The Epson and others also have fully flexible horizontal and vertical lens shift. Which just makes things less placement frustrating. (yes I appreciate the valerion has the latter)
These models are a great start. I think more features will be added in 2nd generation models that will definitely include more placement flexibility. Thank you for sharing!
Contrast of 4000:1 and 1080p (pixel shift to 4k) your saying is worth $7-8k??? Sorry but you’re out of your mind. Epson has muchhh better specs and half that price. You’re wayy off. And how much does it weigh, 7 lbs? 😅
In regard to the MAX unit (which time will tell) the 3000 lumens, laser, 110% rec 2020, Dolby vision, Dynamic tone mapping, etc, looks to be a great value for the money. On paper it makes sense. We shall see. Thank you for commenting.
Lens position memory is THE only want I can see from this projector so far. I've ordered the Max model, so we'll see what happens by the time it comes out.
Same page! Hoping they figure that feature out.
I'm a backer for the 1500 lumen Plus. I went entry level to preview the technology in a light controlled environment.
Awesome! Looks like they are shipping next month?
I am a backer for the Max. I currently own a BenQ HT3550 with about 1,500 lamp hours which will need replacement at some point (hopefully after the Max is delivered) plus since I am also going from a 106" screen to 135" the extra lumens will be appreciated.
The specs on the Max are fantastic. I bet it will look awesome on a 135“ screen.
Is the max a long throw or short throw projector ?
Labeled as long throw.
@KevisFilms Thank you !
When you get your engineering sample can you please compare it with your epson projector.
The "native contrast" rating of 4000:1 is actually with some EBL activated. The true native contrast will be half that, at most. The real draw of this projector is the brightness, the dynamic contrast, built-in DTM and the WCG with arguably at the most competitive price point on the market.
Thank you for clarifying.
It’s still really good for a DLP but this is accurate. Laser has made for some big improvements in color/contrast in DLP ls but there are always some downsides to the tech. The influencer sphere has really embraced this thing but I’m waiting for some more ‘pro’ reviews to make a determination. Right now I’m using a BenQ HT4550i/W5000 and it’s arguably the best single chip DLP I’ve ever seen. The big problem here is the looming horizon of affordable large format displays. Projectors need to be getting more affordable but it appears they are just getting pricier. My next stop would normally be a JVC/Sony but there is no way I’m dropping $6K on a projector that isn’t any brighter or has any more color gamut coverage than my current BenQ. That 4550i is really hitting a sweet spot for price/performance right now.
@sage11x I'd rather have 90% of DCI-P3 coverage with 40,000:1 real native contrast @ 1800 calibrated lumens and excellent lens shift than 100% of DCI-P3 coverage with 2,000:1 real native contrast @ 2500 calibrated lumens and little to no lens shift.
In my thinking, it's easy to get a positive gain screen for the 1800 calibrated lumens and still have a superior black floor, contrast and all without the risk of laser speckle and RBE. Because of this, I'll personally be content spending a little more on something like the JVC NZ500 any day. Others will be more than content with the performance of the Valerion DLP at half the cost, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just know I'd always be subconsciously watching for laser speckle, RBE and elevated blacks if I were to have the DLP, instead of focusing all my attention on the film.
@@sage11x I wouldn't consider 20K affordable for a lot of people. At retail you'll probably be able to get this and a 120" screen probably for less than 5K. And this will happily go much bigger too. We definitely ain't getting 150" TVs for less than 10K anytime soon.
Hopefully prices come down on the TVs but at present they're mini led which comes with its own disadvantages. By the time mico led is affordable at 120" plus.. we're talking years. And I'll be very surprised if we ever get oled that size.
Hi, I was the one who asked for the lens memory for the Max. It's either lens nemory or some form of automatic aspect ratio detection for constant image height screen setup. I haven't Kickstarted yet but I'm planning to near the end for the Max
This feature would be awesome!!
Hi kevis, this projector's gotten great reviews from all of the youtubers. If the Max is coming out with lens memory it's definitely going to be a turning point in the market jvc, Sony and Epson projectors that have lens memory.
So far what's going on here kinda reminds me of Arpara 5K headset which was getting super great reviews and everyone had ordered it until we saw crazy funding, but guess what? They didn't even deliver a single unit from Kickstarter, so I won't trust reviews blindly and as from what I heard they took some of campaign money to make more positive reviews and rest went into china for production where they actually sold them, everyone else? Said good bye to their money and guess what they had 1200 backers which is exactly how much Valerion now have, so I hope this lives to expectations
Agreed!
Whilst it would be great if they include lens memory natively it's compatible with smart home technologies. So I don't see why you couldn't change it's zoom via IP from a decent smart remote.
But if that's your use case for 2.4:1 you might want to hold off and see how the AWOL Vision Max turns out as it has native 2.4:1 support. Hopefully the technology being used here makes it into the Vision Max too.
Thank you for sharing. Good point.
I am waiting for the max
Looking forward to the Max myself!
Hi Kevis. I agree the specs of the max look good based on the reviews of the lower echelon models where they have looked great.. What keeps me from getting interested ( which may affect others, maybe even yourself as a fellow Epson owner) the lens is limited to a 1.5 throw. The Epson lens on the 5050 which I have goes all the way to 2.1.
I believe higher multiplier lenses are harder to do with DLP hence they are less common (and usually expensive)
This means with the epson I can get to 120" 16x9 from a 4.20 metre throw. No can do with the valerion.
Before you get too excited I'd be getting the laser measurer out and doing a lense to screen measurement and or working out how you can bring the projector location closer if needs be..
The only way DLP will ever stomp all over the established brands territory is by making them truly placement flexible. Really that's 1.6x and above.
@@stevenlawrence2232 I'd argue it's throw distance range is a massive advantage. Fully zoomed it has a throw ratio of 0.9. That means you can project a 120" image from just 8 ft away, which is closer than you sit. Not only will it be much brighter because it's much closer but you won't be between it and the screen when you stand up.
On Epson's new higher end projectors they charge A LOT of money for the lens that's capable of doing this.
I'm confused why you want the projector to be further away?
@@paulc5389ok, well I don't want a projector hanging out on a coffee table in the middle of my room disrupting the path between my centre speaker and the main listening position, I don't really want to ceiling mount it, most people that have been doing the projector thing for a while know that they deliver their best blend of contrast vs brightness at mid zoom or thereabouts, which is where my Epson is at, at the back of the room on a shelf at mid screen height.
The Epson and others also have fully flexible horizontal and vertical lens shift. Which just makes things less placement frustrating. (yes I appreciate the valerion has the latter)
These models are a great start. I think more features will be added in 2nd generation models that will definitely include more placement flexibility. Thank you for sharing!
Contrast of 4000:1 and 1080p (pixel shift to 4k) your saying is worth $7-8k??? Sorry but you’re out of your mind. Epson has muchhh better specs and half that price. You’re wayy off. And how much does it weigh, 7 lbs? 😅
In regard to the MAX unit (which time will tell) the 3000 lumens, laser, 110% rec 2020, Dolby vision, Dynamic tone mapping, etc, looks to be a great value for the money. On paper it makes sense. We shall see. Thank you for commenting.
@ no projector can do dolby vision. They just write it in specs to fool people into buying it. Even my JVC NZ8 that retailed $16k doesn’t have DV