These people are too ignorant to study their laws. This country’s majority of citizens are easily gaslighted and blackmailed, especially those who are educated like Malema, they do not know their laws.
@jameskillu9171, our daughters will soon be part of it. We are fighting for our daughters who want to become models in the future. So, wena watch Zimbabwe pageant while we are fighting for our future models.
Good explanation .This gentleman knows his work. Most of people think because they are born in the country they will be immediately become a SouthAfrican citizen.These cases are different one has to really know what is happening.Thank you Mr Nzuza.
I don't think you understanding What he's saying,what he's saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land but now you have to hv a south african parent.in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allowed her to be south african then.do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@@andrewkgaogelo you are speculating, no one knows her Mum’s papers validity. That’s getting investigated now. Her Mum is Mozambican as this Miss SA woman has said in a Sowetan interview. So now it begs the question…how did her Mozambican Mum get her SA papers…don’t speculate because her case hasn’t been investigated nor was it specifically unpacked here by deputy minister …only references and examples were made to explain how you can get citizenship. That’s different to saying Home Affairs confirms her papers are valid, that’s still outstanding as no HA official has pronounced on that ,just ill-informed and hungry celebrities like Pearl and Ikalefeng…those ppl aren’t versed in the law or policies of country, HA officials are only one who can say for sure, they have access to systems and files, as deputy said HA has solid systems and archives…they’ll find it. Hence her Mum having SA papers is being asked to be verified as to validity because you and I know many foreigners have been arrested with fraudulent papers before. Hope for her sake her Mum’s papers weren’t obtained fraudulently…so this is a developing story and ppl aren’t letting go. SA citizens’ concerns are valid and this is our country and we have every right to want to protect it and no one will shame us for it…ask Malema and EFF, we showed them flames in elections for invalidating our concerns. GNU is working, thank goodness
Thank you Mr Nzuza for this unpacking of the Citizenship that confuses so many people in the country.This GNU really chose good Ministers who are working and know their work e.g Mr Nzuza.
Agreed Minister Schreiber is making inroads in the Department. Mr Nzuza representing the Department efficiently. Well done. Glad we having this conversation.
@@mninawamavuso3816 well maybe he was constrained in doing his job because of ANC corruption infestation. I hear that there are good ppl in government but because the head was rotten, it’s difficult to stand up. The head is still rotten though tbh , Ramaphosa is so corrupt it’s wild he can even stand there and open his mouth with no shame. Mr Buffalo is no different to Nkandla thief but seems to have fooled many to thinking he is
As a foreigner who lived in South Africa before, I think South Africa has the right to have their own laws and people should respect them. Citizenship by birth to non-native parents doesn't make sense. That's how identity is lost. My country also would recognize you as an alien if none of your parents are not native to the land of birth. Yes South Africans can be xenophobic but please let them exercise their laws. A paper doesn't make you a native, blood does.
Thank you. And you know what all these people up there are just ignoring South Africans and which is very bad and sad at the same time. You are brave enough to agree with South Africans
Thank you deputy minister Nzuza for clarity👏👏👏then the mother has to be investigated how did she get valid South African ID?to my knowledge foreigners who has ID they clarify which nationality are you from e.g Lesotho, Nigeria etc.
People insist her mother is South African. I think everyone wants us to believe her mother is South African , but the biggest question remains why does she loves Mozambique instead of South Africa so much. Her love for Nigeria and Mozambique is what's up with that. Where is South Africa 🇿🇦 in all of this passion she shows these 2 countries. I don't trust this beauty organization anymore, sorry.
This is a proper interview. I respect Thabo for always bringing informed rational guests. I love how he explained the types of citizenship and the effects from colonialism being corrected. "A child born in South Africa is not a South African citizen when both parents are not of South African origin." Case closed.
Thank you very much Mr Nzuza, your explanation could it have been much stronger to every person, and i absolutely love it. Which actually supports the statement i mentioned that birth certificate doesn't denotes your citizenship, in any country in this planet, especially when the child is born by two parents who are not from the country the child is born. Everything regarding citizenship is absolutely well explained. Including the sports side argument. I can easily without any doubt recommend you to be the minister of HOME OFFICE, if you are not. As you know, everything about the HOME Office laws, which is better than most of our parliamentary ministers, government, and authorities. Most of the MPS in South Africa are claiming to know everything about everything and yet they don't know much. Nothing can go wrong when you are in, or around the HOME Office perimeter.
So does that mean that girl was verified by the home affairs that she is a South African citizen when she was applying for participation on this peagent ?
How did Tendai Mtawarira the beast,born in zimbabwe to both zim parents get his citizenship,played for the springboks as a prop.won a world cup.maybe the used an illegible player
This is such a thorough explanation. SAns you’re amazing, keep fighting for your rights, let’s protect our beautiful country…too many wolves around circling. you beauties knew all along something is amiss. Hope her Mozambican Mum’s documents are investigated…glad we are now establishing that she’s really not SA by blood at all. So who is she representing really in SA? When she puts on her traditional dress in Miss Universe, which dress will she wear…her Ibo dress? Lol this is wild
exactly, imaging buying love from foreigners by giving them all the opportunities meant for our children , there would be no more Nguni (xhosa etc) , ||auni (khwe/khoi etc), Mokoni (sotho etc), Vhangoni (Vendas etc) ...every imposter would live our dreams while they weasel their way into government , keep us unemployed buy our land, women n identity through gentrification , which is sadly what is brewing in capetown
@@chineduekwueme1837 it’s only ppl I know of in Nigeria, don’t even know if the Nigerian woman entering Miss SA is Ibo, was merely making a point. So don’t really care much whether she’s Ibo or any other Nigerian ethnicity; all same to us SAns, she’s simply not one of us
Almost there are undocumented children especially in broken households but since Home affairs visits hospitals now to register children at birth in few there will very few or such cases.
EVERY COUNTRY DOCUMENTS CHILDREN WHETHER ILLEGAL OR NOT, DOES NOT MEAN THEY NOT CLASSIFIED AS ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY ATKE ON THEIR PARENTS STATUS. SOUTH AFRICA NEEDS TO DEPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS SWIFTLY SO HOME OFFICE CAN WORK PROPERLY.
I don't think you understanding What his saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land but now you have to hv a south african parent in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allows her to be south african then.do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@andrewkgaogelo, so in other words, she loves the country of her grandmother more. The whole issue here is because of her not recognizing South Africa as her country as much as she's proudly showcasing her Nigerian roots. So, with that said, people are not convinced that her mother is South African but rather from Mozambique. That's why the person you answered in her comment said that. Remember, maybe her high school friends said something to someone, etc.
@@andrewkgaogelo you’re speculating, no one has confirmed where her Mum was even born…stop trying to create a false story. SAns said from the jump she’s not one of us because she doesn’t belong to any of our groups and you called them xenophobic but now you’re accepting that she’s not SAn by blood and now you’re trying to push her Mum was born here..,who told you that…cite a credible news source. This Miss SA woman said in an interview to Sowetan her Mum is Mozambican and dad Nigerian …then now you are saying her Mum was born inSA pre 1995…did you access HA files or open her Mum’s file specifically. Only HA officials can verifiy someone’s papers not Pearl Thusi , DJ Sbu or Ikalefeng on Tiktok ..,HA hasnt done any verification (pageant organisers statement claimed that pageant organisers verify papers of entrants and didn’t say with HA but that doesn’t mean her Mum’s papers are verified)as the minister only spoke of examples and not of this woman’s exact case or file. Trust me, her case has just been opened at HA and her Mum’s files will be unarchived I’m sure(thank goodness HA actually archives and what happens I’m dark will come to light 😆. Hope all is in order or she’s just put her whole family in jeopardy. GNU is working, we know this will not be ignored…but ANC eating time is no more. F$! the ANC, UDM, IFP and EFF actually, we’re here because of their ineptitude and stupidity
@@andrewkgaogelo lol there has never been a law in South Africa that permitted Africans born in South Africa to be South African citizens. This law applied to the white settlers. This answers those Zimbabweans that say they do not understand how White Zimbos have South African citizenship. Their parents took dual citizenship in both Zim and SA when the time permitted them to do so. But no ways a black woman from Mozambique could obtain citizenship in South Africa before 1994.
I don't think you understanding What he's saying,what he's saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land according to laws before 1995 August but now you have to hv a south african parent. in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allowed her mother to be south african .do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@@andrewkgaogeloyou’re the slow one. Her Mum isn’t SAn by blood as she’s Mozambican, so how did her Mum get her citizenship, that’s a valid question. We are cleaning up the country with our GNU we voted for and if her Mum’s citizenship was through corruption it will be unearthed...this is the clean up we asked for at Home Affairs and every sector of governance. Thank you beautiful and tenacious SAns for protecting our country🇿🇦🙌🏼
@@thandisilec835 it is said that she got the citizenship because the mother (Mozambican) was born in SA which was before 1995. Before 1995 citizenship was issued by land not by blood. So it makes the mother fully a citizen of SA😭😭😭😭
Such an enlightening conversation, I am personally learning of course not with preconceived or preemptive ideas. I careless about who who gets citizenship if it follows legal channels.
This is fantastic but we need to do better. The rule should be, both parents MUST be South African citizens! Qatar adopted this rule, they refuse to get replaced by Indians and Banglas.
Qatar along with the other 5 other GCC countries are not part of United Nations. This could be an option for SA. But then they would lose much much more in terms of loans, IMF support, no humanitarian support from UN affiliates such as FAO and UNICEF. The GCC don’t need this because they are wealthy and they have the highest GDPs in the world. There is no millions of their people receiving R350 per month there.
@@cefasfah85 We are not Nigerians or Zimbos. We are South Africans and we refuse to get replaced. This is what makes a nation unique. Go to American if you want citizenship by land.
I personaly taking from my mother's 32 years experience working in Barangwanath hospital as a professional nurse in maternity and in registration for new born babies, told me a different story to the insight of this controversial issue how they register a new born baby , what they fill in forms of non South-African parents and what responsibilities is aquired of them to do. This debate concludes one thing for me.... If Vanessa Onwe Adeshina wins this competition, she did it both for Nigerians and Zimbabwens through a South African platform truth be told cause non of her parents are South Africans! And if we argue about other ethnic groups whom their forefathers died in our soils generations after generations, then let's talk about Vanessa Onwe Adeshina's forefathers and her generation to drag deep in this conversation.
It only makes sense if at least one parent is born in south africa and the child is born in south africa. Otherwise we'll unnecessarily have an influx of nigerians and Zimbabweans.
Yes South Africa 🇿🇦 BELONGS to the people of South Africa 🇿🇦 those days are no more invaders through war stole South African land no more that old book is closed dankie
Lol, he is telling him without telling him, because if he told him his(presenter) cia programming would come out , then the interview drags unnecessarily
Oh shit .... if her Mom is not South african then she obtained the ID illegally., God i pray that her MOm is a citizen . I blame Home affairs workers... Home affairs is rotten yoh yoh yoh .
Ehhe niyaqina supporting izinto eningazan senikhohliw yin kuth agangile amakwereh especially Nigerians. Yoo nilele stop supporting anything that has to do with Nigerians they are bad news.
I don't think you understanding What his saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land but now you have to hv a south african parent in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allows her to be south african then.do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@@kaizersuze9000lol she said her father is Malawian if I'm not mistaken and got her father's surname and her mother is South African. Something along those lines, I think.
Yaz this is why South Africans are owed political education in schools yaz. For both sides of this debate there has been severe ignorance and lack of understanding of laws. Sometimes I ask myself if it is afrophobia behind this or more so ignorance and lack of political knowledge. Even those who tried to advocate for the lady were so incorrect about the laws of South Africa, referencing American laws, masking that they really don't know.
But it’s the SAns who mostly called her out as non SAn who are right…she isn’t based on both of her parents being foreigners. This is why many are saying her Mozambican Mum’s papers need to be investigated. The xeno shriveled know very well what they are doing, trying to silence SAns but how wrong they are, ppl will not be silenced. It’s our right to want to keep SA citizenship for true SAns
South African education is terrible 🥱 what they are learning is mostly lies anyway. I can understand why these rural blacks would think the way they do 🤦♂️
Huh, he just explained it what part did you not understand. If the parent was illegal, gives birth to someone who is illegal, then grand baby comes along all illegal I am afraid.
He has explained it so well. Wish the DHA can call imbizos and explain these facts to people so that people can understand. There is so much confusion and ignorance. I blame DHA for the state of ignorance.
Icace gca, uyinabise kahle kamhlophe umfo ka Nzuza eyihla amahlombe, engena kabanzi ngokomthetho kulempica badala ishukumise umzi wo Mzanzi Afrika. Awuzokuthi awuvanga, awuyazi, uyayazi & uyivile. That is the law qwaba.
The nationality of an individual cannot change or be denounced. Citizenship can be acquired, updated, changed, or renounced through legal formalities. eg Tendai Mtawarira,Strive Masiyiwa,Billy rauchenpat,charlize theron,elon mask. South africa has its own legal pathways to citizenship.
Some countries don’t accept dual citizenship, so denouncing your current citizenship is required before they grant you citizenship. Eg Japan doesn’t give second citizenship…I’ve watched RUclips videos of 1or 2 Americans who chose to denounce their American citizenship in order to become Japanese citizens…they also wanted to avoid paying American taxes as they’d been living in Japan for decades and American IRS will make you file annually& pay tax to them even if you choose to stay in another country for decades…only way is to denounce US citizenship to stop paying tax there. Anyway Japan doesn’t hand out citizenship to any foreigners(white, Asian, Black, or whatever…) like they are desperate to collect strays…they do though give citizenship based on mother or father being a Japanese citizenship, granted you don’t have any other citizenship (remember can’t be Japanese citizen & citizen of another country…pick one)
@@thandisilec835RSA does not fall under that category,you right in your own opinion.how do I tackle tendai the beast issue if i may ask.how did he get citizenship
@@chileshemulenga8790 please don’t touch our unproblematic and SA loving Zimbabwean SAn…the Beast was a skilled worker, what he did couldn’t just be done any old anyone. It’s a rare skill that made him qualify to play for SA national team and no SAn could beat him at doing what he did…that’s how you know he is unequivocally qualified to be called a skill. He’d been in SA for decades and came as a teen so with time he could apply on those grounds of being a skilled worker who’d been here for that long. I like that guy, humble and loves SA but still gives back to Zim
@@thandisilec835South Africa allows dual citizenship and you have to make an apllication that you don't lose it. You make them aware you'll be applying for the UK citizenship and if you don't make Home Affairs applying to the South African home Affairs you would lose it. However could eventually acquire it back if you apply for it.
Elon Mask and Charliz Theron were born in South Africa to South African parents. Tendai was born and brought up in Zimbabwean, he was naturalised to South Africa due to playing Nationsl rugby squad.
If you’re born in SA to non SA parents you DONT get citizenship. So her parents or one of them probably had permanent residency or citizenship when she was born hence her becoming a citizen by birth.
I would think that with our history and the people of this country should fall in a category of saying that requires that your father , and his father and his father was born in South Africa, so , at least you have to have both father and mother born in South Africa
He did not speak to what the situation is with regards to the amendment of 2013 where children born to foreign parents with SA permanent residence. According to the amendment the chi;ld born to these parents automatically become a South African citizen
The issue was not about her citizenship or its validity. The issue that started this whole debate is the fact that CULTURALLY she is not South African, she does not represent South African heritage or culture, she does not follow or practice our customs or speak our indigenous languages, so the question was asked “is she fit to represent the nation and its people on the world stage?”. Yes she is a South African on paper so she has the right to compete but does she have the lived South African experience? Does she represent the average South African woman in any capacity? Or will she wear the South African title but fly her Nigerian flag high? - THAT is our main concern.
So many issues about citizenship where not touched on🙄🙄. After 1994,gou could acquire citizenship by producing a baptism certificate from a church in Sa😹. Acquire citizenship by producing a school attendance letter. Citizenship if you had relatives bearing the same surname as yours but are South Africans🙄🙄 not to mention citizenship that was easly bought from officials. If you could prove your 10yrs stay in South Africa, you also could apply for citizenship. But then came 2002😂 things changed to what citizenship is now. For me, I put the blame on the system then and corrupt officials. Soutj Africa is a porous country and we have ourselves to blame😅😅. This Miss South Africa parents might have fallen under this categories I've mentioned,
@@MNJ_Agri If both of the mothers parents are not from here then the mother cant be a South african, only if one of the parents is SA then we can say that
People are so ignorant with hate about this girl and think she will be disqualified but little did they know that this girl's citizenship allows her to remain in the competition otherwise she would've been gone already and i would like to thank deputy minister for clarifying
The Deputy Minister must tell us if the Mother is South African and they must check on their register if she didn't acquire her citizenship fraudulently.
My mother was born in South Africa to a South African mother (whose parents, forefathers were also South Africans) & Malawian father(they were never married). The department of Home Affairs refuses to acknowledge her as South African. The family has tried to have DNA tests on her & her surviving sibling but Home Affairs refused to sign those documents as if the money will come from their coffers. So the deputy minister may have spoken well, however it is stuff they don't practice.
So this thing comes from a long way, how did the mother get the citizenship if she’s a Mozambican born in SA? Secondly so for someone to be a SA citizen, one of his/her parents must be SAn citizen and the person(child) must be born in SA?
For one to be a SA citizen, one of the parents has to be a SA citizen but the child doesn't have to be born in SA. Eg, if you are a SA citizen and you move out of SA, then get a child outside there, your child is entitled to a SA citizenship by birth because of you, if he so wishes. Before 1995, the child would claim SA citizenship by descent but they now changed to by birth.
@@MNJ_Agri I have a feeling that the mother or the mother's parents had acquired SA citizenship, may be by naturalisation. There is no way SA can grant citizenship if both parents are not SA citizens. One has to be. And even if you as a SA citizen went out of the country. Got into a relationship out there and have a child. That child when claiming SA citizenship has to prove that you as the parent is a real SA citizen. They check your records before they grant your child citizenship. I know someone who went thru the process.
Now Mr Minister please check how nearly every barbershop owner, every cell phone repairshop owner, every taylor shop belings to somebody from Pakistan or Egypt or Algeria or Morroco some that can hardly speak English but some even have SA documents with local names? We have thousands of youth that cannot find work? How did these people get here did the SA government assist them or who helps these peole come here then? South Africans must be first
well spoken mr minister. we foreigners must just abide by SA laws and stop the unnecessary complains.
Well explained,SA 🇿🇦 people are vindicated, they were(ignorant audience) calling us xenophobic, Fight SA 🇿🇦 Fight,we will not be replaced
when are you going for auditions to replace her.
😂 uneducated @@jameskillu9171
These people are too ignorant to study their laws. This country’s majority of citizens are easily gaslighted and blackmailed, especially those who are educated like Malema, they do not know their laws.
@@jameskillu9171 when are u going back to ur failed country?
@jameskillu9171, our daughters will soon be part of it. We are fighting for our daughters who want to become models in the future. So, wena watch Zimbabwe pageant while we are fighting for our future models.
This is the best interview I have ever seen, on news room Africa.
true he explained it well.
😂 I wonder what Xoli should've asked him because Xoli can always go off the script that's never relevant to the interview.
Did he explain who were the south african parents of the GUPTAS. when they issued them Citizenship
That is why they are gone.
@@jameskillu9171we all know the Guptas obtained citizenship fraudulently. They must still be brought back to face their crimes.
Good explanation .This gentleman knows his work. Most of people think because they are born in the country they will be immediately become a SouthAfrican citizen.These cases are different one has to really know what is happening.Thank you Mr Nzuza.
I don't think you understanding
What he's saying,what he's saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land but now you have to hv a south african parent.in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allowed her to be south african then.do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@@andrewkgaogelothank you but facts are itching to some cause having a SA id is their most Priceless and Precious achievement in their lives
@@andrewkgaogelo you are speculating, no one knows her Mum’s papers validity. That’s getting investigated now. Her Mum is Mozambican as this Miss SA woman has said in a Sowetan interview. So now it begs the question…how did her Mozambican Mum get her SA papers…don’t speculate because her case hasn’t been investigated nor was it specifically unpacked here by deputy minister …only references and examples were made to explain how you can get citizenship. That’s different to saying Home Affairs confirms her papers are valid, that’s still outstanding as no HA official has pronounced on that ,just ill-informed and hungry celebrities like Pearl and Ikalefeng…those ppl aren’t versed in the law or policies of country, HA officials are only one who can say for sure, they have access to systems and files, as deputy said HA has solid systems and archives…they’ll find it.
Hence her Mum having SA papers is being asked to be verified as to validity because you and I know many foreigners have been arrested with fraudulent papers before. Hope for her sake her Mum’s papers weren’t obtained fraudulently…so this is a developing story and ppl aren’t letting go. SA citizens’ concerns are valid and this is our country and we have every right to want to protect it and no one will shame us for it…ask Malema and EFF, we showed them flames in elections for invalidating our concerns. GNU is working, thank goodness
Nonsense at ur age u need to learn a lot
PURE south africans are BLACK. Mckenzie must explain why he is not in ITALY, where his coloured father lived
Thank you Mr Nzuza for this unpacking of the Citizenship that confuses so many people in the country.This GNU really chose good Ministers who are working and know their work e.g Mr Nzuza.
Awu Mshazi has been in DHA for the last 15yrs…
Agreed Minister Schreiber is making inroads in the Department. Mr Nzuza representing the Department efficiently. Well done. Glad we having this conversation.
@@mninawamavuso3816 well maybe he was constrained in doing his job because of ANC corruption infestation. I hear that there are good ppl in government but because the head was rotten, it’s difficult to stand up. The head is still rotten though tbh , Ramaphosa is so corrupt it’s wild he can even stand there and open his mouth with no shame. Mr Buffalo is no different to Nkandla thief but seems to have fooled many to thinking he is
How did Mckenzie gayton become south african when his parents are from ITALY and ZIMBABWE
@@jameskillu9171 And you,are you a South African,?
As a foreigner who lived in South Africa before, I think South Africa has the right to have their own laws and people should respect them. Citizenship by birth to non-native parents doesn't make sense. That's how identity is lost. My country also would recognize you as an alien if none of your parents are not native to the land of birth. Yes South Africans can be xenophobic but please let them exercise their laws. A paper doesn't make you a native, blood does.
Thank you. And you know what all these people up there are just ignoring South Africans and which is very bad and sad at the same time. You are brave enough to agree with South Africans
Thank you for understanding this basic concept which others disingenuously want to ignore and label as xenophobic …national identities matter
Dankie, thank you
Thank you so much for your logic.
Danko
Thank you Mr Nzuza for educating the population that lives in South Africa as well as our journalists.
Well articulated!! 👏👏And very clear Deputy Munistet🙏🙏
Kazi uminista uqobo ubezochaza yini kanje😂😅😂 hhayi engathi akuhambanga kahle😅😂
The Munistet is very good neh
@@worldofsportshd1904 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
wow, what a great spokesperson, clear and even gives examples to take you along what he is trying to explain.
Deputy minister 😊
Thank you deputy minister Nzuza for clarity👏👏👏then the mother has to be investigated how did she get valid South African ID?to my knowledge foreigners who has ID they clarify which nationality are you from e.g Lesotho, Nigeria etc.
People insist her mother is South African. I think everyone wants us to believe her mother is South African , but the biggest question remains why does she loves Mozambique instead of South Africa so much. Her love for Nigeria and Mozambique is what's up with that. Where is South Africa 🇿🇦 in all of this passion she shows these 2 countries. I don't trust this beauty organization anymore, sorry.
Clear & simple
This is a proper interview. I respect Thabo for always bringing informed rational guests. I love how he explained the types of citizenship and the effects from colonialism being corrected. "A child born in South Africa is not a South African citizen when both parents are not of South African origin." Case closed.
Thank you very much Mr Nzuza, your explanation could it have been much stronger to every person, and i absolutely love it. Which actually supports the statement i mentioned that birth certificate doesn't denotes your citizenship, in any country in this planet, especially when the child is born by two parents who are not from the country the child is born. Everything regarding citizenship is absolutely well explained. Including the sports side argument. I can easily without any doubt recommend you to be the minister of HOME OFFICE, if you are not. As you know, everything about the HOME Office laws, which is better than most of our parliamentary ministers, government, and authorities. Most of the MPS in South Africa are claiming to know everything about everything and yet they don't know much. Nothing can go wrong when you are in, or around the HOME Office perimeter.
This interview has solve the issue of miss SA peagant
the only thing that needs to be solved is their problems back home, they need to fix their own countries and stop forcing themselves on us here in SA
@@thabangtladi8057we love to travel, deal with it
South Africa is not the only country Nigerians are at
We should add another rule. No permanent resident can own land. They got this rule in Thailand.
So does that mean that girl was verified by the home affairs that she is a South African citizen when she was applying for participation on this peagent ?
@@MNJ_Agri If both parents are foreign nationals then its clearly fraud. If the mom is South African then she's fine.
Thank you Deputy minister Nzuza it is very clear
This girl successful opend a can of worms for her family. Manje kuzoshuba.
How did Tendai Mtawarira the beast,born in zimbabwe to both zim parents get his citizenship,played for the springboks as a prop.won a world cup.maybe the used an illegible player
@@chileshemulenga8790I thought you heard about naturalization because of contribution to the country, if you can follow up that part, u will be clear
This is such a thorough explanation. SAns you’re amazing, keep fighting for your rights, let’s protect our beautiful country…too many wolves around circling. you beauties knew all along something is amiss. Hope her Mozambican Mum’s documents are investigated…glad we are now establishing that she’s really not SA by blood at all. So who is she representing really in SA? When she puts on her traditional dress in Miss Universe, which dress will she wear…her Ibo dress? Lol this is wild
exactly, imaging buying love from foreigners by giving them all the opportunities meant for our children , there would be no more Nguni (xhosa etc) , ||auni (khwe/khoi etc), Mokoni (sotho etc), Vhangoni (Vendas etc) ...every imposter would live our dreams while they weasel their way into government , keep us unemployed buy our land, women n identity through gentrification , which is sadly what is brewing in capetown
why the ibo hate?
@@chineduekwueme1837 it’s only ppl I know of in Nigeria, don’t even know if the Nigerian woman entering Miss SA is Ibo, was merely making a point. So don’t really care much whether she’s Ibo or any other Nigerian ethnicity; all same to us SAns, she’s simply not one of us
Yohhh... My question exactly!!!
The way you talk shows you hate the white blood in you.
Thank you mr nzùza l was listening to you yesterday you put it very well.
What I love about our country is every child is documented, well said
Almost there are undocumented children especially in broken households but since Home affairs visits hospitals now to register children at birth in few there will very few or such cases.
that's normal in every ciountry bro
@@shiftyourmindset2 Not every country
@@LukeRev480 the first world countries and 2nd for sure
EVERY COUNTRY DOCUMENTS CHILDREN WHETHER ILLEGAL OR NOT, DOES NOT MEAN THEY NOT CLASSIFIED AS ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY ATKE ON THEIR PARENTS STATUS. SOUTH AFRICA NEEDS TO DEPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS SWIFTLY SO HOME OFFICE CAN WORK PROPERLY.
South Africa can not afford to lose its Nationality.
Let's go to what the Law prescribe😮
Can they confirm how the mother got her citizenship so we can all rest bathong,
I don't think you understanding
What his saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land but now you have to hv a south african parent in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allows her to be south african then.do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@andrewkgaogelo, so in other words, she loves the country of her grandmother more. The whole issue here is because of her not recognizing South Africa as her country as much as she's proudly showcasing her Nigerian roots. So, with that said, people are not convinced that her mother is South African but rather from Mozambique. That's why the person you answered in her comment said that. Remember, maybe her high school friends said something to someone, etc.
@@happy-o9m5r yes that’s next for sure. SA Twitter force is not letting go. They want her Mum’s papers verified
@@andrewkgaogelo you’re speculating, no one has confirmed where her Mum was even born…stop trying to create a false story. SAns said from the jump she’s not one of us because she doesn’t belong to any of our groups and you called them xenophobic but now you’re accepting that she’s not SAn by blood and now you’re trying to push her Mum was born here..,who told you that…cite a credible news source. This Miss SA woman said in an interview to Sowetan her Mum is Mozambican and dad Nigerian …then now you are saying her Mum was born inSA pre 1995…did you access HA files or open her Mum’s file specifically. Only HA officials can verifiy someone’s papers not Pearl Thusi , DJ Sbu or Ikalefeng on Tiktok ..,HA hasnt done any verification (pageant organisers statement claimed that pageant organisers verify papers of entrants and didn’t say with HA but that doesn’t mean her Mum’s papers are verified)as the minister only spoke of examples and not of this woman’s exact case or file. Trust me, her case has just been opened at HA and her Mum’s files will be unarchived I’m sure(thank goodness HA actually archives and what happens I’m dark will come to light 😆. Hope all is in order or she’s just put her whole family in jeopardy. GNU is working, we know this will not be ignored…but ANC eating time is no more. F$! the ANC, UDM, IFP and EFF actually, we’re here because of their ineptitude and stupidity
@@andrewkgaogelo lol there has never been a law in South Africa that permitted Africans born in South Africa to be South African citizens. This law applied to the white settlers. This answers those Zimbabweans that say they do not understand how White Zimbos have South African citizenship. Their parents took dual citizenship in both Zim and SA when the time permitted them to do so. But no ways a black woman from Mozambique could obtain citizenship in South Africa before 1994.
I like the explanation of the difference between Residence and Citizenship ,powerful
The guys knows his job and knows the LAW !!
Next step , investigate how the mother obtained her citizenship.
I don't think you understanding
What he's saying,what he's saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land according to laws before 1995 August but now you have to hv a south african parent. in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allowed her mother to be south african .do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@@andrewkgaogelo
No, you don't.
Yebo, this girl dragged her parents into a lot scrutiny, further invitation needed urgently.
@@andrewkgaogeloyou’re the slow one. Her Mum isn’t SAn by blood as she’s Mozambican, so how did her Mum get her citizenship, that’s a valid question. We are cleaning up the country with our GNU we voted for and if her Mum’s citizenship was through corruption it will be unearthed...this is the clean up we asked for at Home Affairs and every sector of governance. Thank you beautiful and tenacious SAns for protecting our country🇿🇦🙌🏼
@@thandisilec835 it is said that she got the citizenship because the mother (Mozambican) was born in SA which was before 1995. Before 1995 citizenship was issued by land not by blood. So it makes the mother fully a citizen of SA😭😭😭😭
Such an enlightening conversation, I am personally learning of course not with preconceived or preemptive ideas. I careless about who who gets citizenship if it follows legal channels.
This is fantastic but we need to do better. The rule should be, both parents MUST be South African citizens! Qatar adopted this rule, they refuse to get replaced by Indians and Banglas.
Why , Mr Extremist 😂😂😂 or it's racism
Qatar along with the other 5 other GCC countries are not part of United Nations. This could be an option for SA. But then they would lose much much more in terms of loans, IMF support, no humanitarian support from UN affiliates such as FAO and UNICEF. The GCC don’t need this because they are wealthy and they have the highest GDPs in the world. There is no millions of their people receiving R350 per month there.
@@tawanu Lol, Qatar has been a member since 1971. Stop typing nonsense.
@@cefasfah85 We are not Nigerians or Zimbos. We are South Africans and we refuse to get replaced. This is what makes a nation unique. Go to American if you want citizenship by land.
@@cefasfah85He/she is right period!
I personaly taking from my mother's 32 years experience working in Barangwanath hospital as a professional nurse in maternity and in registration for new born babies, told me a different story to the insight of this controversial issue how they register a new born baby , what they fill in forms of non South-African parents and what responsibilities is aquired of them to do. This debate concludes one thing for me.... If Vanessa Onwe Adeshina wins this competition, she did it both for Nigerians and Zimbabwens through a South African platform truth be told cause non of her parents are South Africans! And if we argue about other ethnic groups whom their forefathers died in our soils generations after generations, then let's talk about Vanessa Onwe Adeshina's forefathers and her generation to drag deep in this conversation.
It only makes sense if at least one parent is born in south africa and the child is born in south africa.
Otherwise we'll unnecessarily have an influx of nigerians and Zimbabweans.
If the parent doesnt have South African blood then the child can't be a citizen.
Not born bro , the parent must be a CITIZEN . You can be born but not be a citizen.
Why are u mentioning Zimbabwe and Nigeria.
This is pure afrophobia
@@cefasfah85 that is where her parents come from,duh,
xenophobes and self hate is a sickness
Me Nzuza make me feel very proud of being an Mzantsian
Yes South Africa 🇿🇦 BELONGS to the people of South Africa 🇿🇦 those days are no more invaders through war stole South African land no more that old book is closed dankie
We hear you Minister
This is the most indirect interview ever 😂
Lol, he is telling him without telling him, because if he told him his(presenter) cia programming would come out , then the interview drags unnecessarily
Nzusa is actually smart and articulates the facts so well. Well done Nzuza
Great explanation, DM.
Thank you.
Malema is misleading these foreigners
U misleading ur self
Uphambene kengokukwenzenjani ziyakushiya inqgondo???? @@TendaiTauro
Hamba zimbos
@@RINASZ thyini ezizinto zifuna iAfrika yonke igcwal'apha , basityele imisebenzi, abantwa ngeeDrugs, izikolo neendawozokuhlala ... yhuu bamuncu oonobomvu futhi banezothe!
No we are following coloured Gayton and his ITALIAN father.
What a clear and concise explanation. Wow. This guy knows his Job.... thank you GNU...😂
Case closed!!
Oh shit .... if her Mom is not South african then she obtained the ID illegally., God i pray that her MOm is a citizen . I blame Home affairs workers... Home affairs is rotten yoh yoh yoh .
Off course ,that's what they do, someone's identity might have been stolen😔
Ehhe niyaqina supporting izinto eningazan senikhohliw yin kuth agangile amakwereh especially Nigerians. Yoo nilele stop supporting anything that has to do with Nigerians they are bad news.
I don't think you understanding
What his saying is prio to 1995 people would be south africans by birth or land but now you have to hv a south african parent in the case of miss sa her mother was born in South africa to a woman who is from Mozambique but laws allows her to be south african then.do you understand?so now she gave birth to a daughter with a nigerian man after 1995 so basically the reason she qualified to have citizenship it's because her mom according to previous laws she is a south african hope I make sense
@andrewkgaogelo, you like copy and paste 😂😂
@@andrewkgaogeloo bua nyoko, where do you take that info, u talk about 3rd generation you're the only one that has that info
She got a South African Citizenship by 💰,
Most probably
Thank you Sir👏🏽👏🏽
Good 👍🏾 Abanendlebe bavile
Siyabonga Mshazi weyishada kaMaqhoboza. Ume njalo
Siyabonga deputy minister kuyezwakala
Gigaba was a Zimbabwean in Charge of home affairs.
That lead to majority of the issues we currently face
Nozishada kaMaqhoboza! Well done
Please someone call Pearl Thusi. Malema is applying citizenship by land... It's not the current law in SA...
Malema talks too much and he really does not know as much as he thinks he knows.
no Somizi and that girl called Lerato. Myb they are getting free drugs from Nigerians that's besinyela
Ypu forgot Chirwa juju lap dog also from Zim
Call malema, dj sbu, lerato kganyago, pearl thusi and teach them, hawu 😂
@@kaizersuze9000lol she said her father is Malawian if I'm not mistaken and got her father's surname and her mother is South African. Something along those lines, I think.
Yaz this is why South Africans are owed political education in schools yaz. For both sides of this debate there has been severe ignorance and lack of understanding of laws. Sometimes I ask myself if it is afrophobia behind this or more so ignorance and lack of political knowledge. Even those who tried to advocate for the lady were so incorrect about the laws of South Africa, referencing American laws, masking that they really don't know.
But it’s the SAns who mostly called her out as non SAn who are right…she isn’t based on both of her parents being foreigners. This is why many are saying her Mozambican Mum’s papers need to be investigated. The xeno shriveled know very well what they are doing, trying to silence SAns but how wrong they are, ppl will not be silenced. It’s our right to want to keep SA citizenship for true SAns
South African education is terrible 🥱 what they are learning is mostly lies anyway. I can understand why these rural blacks would think the way they do 🤦♂️
Well researched and explanation gives Minister, You should teach the rest of your counterparts to do their duties as well as you, S A sorted
Well explained Mshazi👏
If you and your family have been born in South Africa, that makes you a South African. We have that correct.
Huh, he just explained it what part did you not understand. If the parent was illegal, gives birth to someone who is illegal, then grand baby comes along all illegal I am afraid.
Yes, that's correct
I love us🇿🇦❤️
SO WHY IS JULIUS MALEMA NOT AWARE OF IMMIGRATION LAW IN SOUTH AFRICA, BUT HE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT.
He doesn't even know how much is lof of bread 😅😅😅
Great advice from Home affairs
😂😂😂 the number of years you've been in a Khantry doesn't give you automatic Citizenship. Kids follow their parents status. ❤️ it.
Is it true Malema s father is from Zimbabwe ? He never mentions him.
Gnu in action
Very well explained 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Well explained... Unfortunately those home affairs workers have messed our laws.. Hence all these kids are called SAs...
THANK YOU TO CHIDDIMA BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS CITIZENSHIP OF SOUTH AFRICAN. THANK YOU MR NZUZA SALUT.
100% correct
He has explained it so well. Wish the DHA can call imbizos and explain these facts to people so that people can understand. There is so much confusion and ignorance. I blame DHA for the state of ignorance.
Great questions. Well explained
Icace gca, uyinabise kahle kamhlophe umfo ka Nzuza eyihla amahlombe, engena kabanzi ngokomthetho kulempica badala ishukumise umzi wo Mzanzi Afrika. Awuzokuthi awuvanga, awuyazi, uyayazi & uyivile. That is the law qwaba.
yhu Thulisile Vanqa wasikhuluma isiZulu ngathi uqeqeshwe ngooNxeko, ooBomoyi, ooCeduma!!! ungumthembu wena sozuve!!!!🥰
The nationality of an individual cannot change or be denounced. Citizenship can be acquired, updated, changed, or renounced through legal formalities.
eg Tendai Mtawarira,Strive Masiyiwa,Billy rauchenpat,charlize theron,elon mask.
South africa has its own legal pathways to citizenship.
Some countries don’t accept dual citizenship, so denouncing your current citizenship is required before they grant you citizenship. Eg Japan doesn’t give second citizenship…I’ve watched RUclips videos of 1or 2 Americans who chose to denounce their American citizenship in order to become Japanese citizens…they also wanted to avoid paying American taxes as they’d been living in Japan for decades and American IRS will make you file annually& pay tax to them even if you choose to stay in another country for decades…only way is to denounce US citizenship to stop paying tax there. Anyway Japan doesn’t hand out citizenship to any foreigners(white, Asian, Black, or whatever…) like they are desperate to collect strays…they do though give citizenship based on mother or father being a Japanese citizenship, granted you don’t have any other citizenship (remember can’t be Japanese citizen & citizen of another country…pick one)
@@thandisilec835RSA does not fall under that category,you right in your own opinion.how do I tackle tendai the beast issue if i may ask.how did he get citizenship
@@chileshemulenga8790 please don’t touch our unproblematic and SA loving Zimbabwean SAn…the Beast was a skilled worker, what he did couldn’t just be done any old anyone. It’s a rare skill that made him qualify to play for SA national team and no SAn could beat him at doing what he did…that’s how you know he is unequivocally qualified to be called a skill. He’d been in SA for decades and came as a teen so with time he could apply on those grounds of being a skilled worker who’d been here for that long. I like that guy, humble and loves SA but still gives back to Zim
@@thandisilec835South Africa allows dual citizenship and you have to make an apllication that you don't lose it. You make them aware you'll be applying for the UK citizenship and if you don't make Home Affairs applying to the South African home Affairs you would lose it. However could eventually acquire it back if you apply for it.
Elon Mask and Charliz Theron were born in South Africa to South African parents. Tendai was born and brought up in Zimbabwean, he was naturalised to South Africa due to playing Nationsl rugby squad.
That's the way it is actually
Now i know why ID's where 🚫
The Nzuza clan (Nzuza, Sokhela) descend from two 17th century war-doctors (nyanga ye mpi) from the Vaal, amaNdzudza (e.g. Mahlangu).
I enjoyed this interview, and I found it more educational as opposed to pronouncing either left nor right.
Pls she is not sowetan
the world is watching hope this will be eyes open to some of those ppl don't know what is going on in the world
If you’re born in SA to non SA parents you DONT get citizenship. So her parents or one of them probably had permanent residency or citizenship when she was born hence her becoming a citizen by birth.
Permanent residency doesn’t give you citizenship
I would think that with our history and the people of this country should fall in a category of saying that requires that your father , and his father and his father was born in South Africa, so , at least you have to have both father and mother born in South Africa
Yes cause mele kube njalo cause bazalisa ama South african ngamabomu and nalezingane Zidane zizisho nje ukuthi baba wami wangare
Is true,status of parents is what determine citizenship of child.we must perceive the law.
He did not speak to what the situation is with regards to the amendment of 2013 where children born to foreign parents with SA permanent residence. According to the amendment the chi;ld born to these parents automatically become a South African citizen
The child follows the parents statuses
My parents are both from Angola, but I have a South African citizenship. 🤷🏽♀️
Is fake one home office will look at don't worry 😅😅😅😅
Angolans case is different cause of the war the Apartheid government had with Angola and the ANC
@@WillamShauke my father probably had a green ID book before your parents 😂😂😂😂
The issue was not about her citizenship or its validity. The issue that started this whole debate is the fact that CULTURALLY she is not South African, she does not represent South African heritage or culture, she does not follow or practice our customs or speak our indigenous languages, so the question was asked “is she fit to represent the nation and its people on the world stage?”. Yes she is a South African on paper so she has the right to compete but does she have the lived South African experience? Does she represent the average South African woman in any capacity? Or will she wear the South African title but fly her Nigerian flag high? - THAT is our main concern.
Mrs South Africa from Lagos
This is now clear.
So many issues about citizenship where not touched on🙄🙄. After 1994,gou could acquire citizenship by producing a baptism certificate from a church in Sa😹. Acquire citizenship by producing a school attendance letter. Citizenship if you had relatives bearing the same surname as yours but are South Africans🙄🙄 not to mention citizenship that was easly bought from officials. If you could prove your 10yrs stay in South Africa, you also could apply for citizenship. But then came 2002😂 things changed to what citizenship is now. For me, I put the blame on the system then and corrupt officials. Soutj Africa is a porous country and we have ourselves to blame😅😅. This Miss South Africa parents might have fallen under this categories I've mentioned,
Miss SA 2001 her parents are from Portugal & Angola
So that will change now or maybe they paid someone in Home affairs
siyabonga nzuza uma sebethole citizen bayovula eyabo intlangano patty baningi labantu ningayenzi into enizozisola ngayo kusasa
This man must form a political party already
well explained
So the drug dealers abachamelana nabafazi babo, who breeding machines, ngoba bethi they'll become South Africans bagejile
Yebooooooo
Case closed
So the mother is a SAn citizen born in SA with Mozambican parents?
@@MNJ_Agri If both of the mothers parents are not from here then the mother cant be a South african, only if one of the parents is SA then we can say that
@@MNJ_Agrino ,she's Mozambican,
@@mogp427 so how did this girl become a SAn citizen?🫢🤔
I do not hear condemnation of men identifying as women in sports, beauty pageants, businesses, politics, and the public sector...
Thabo you ddnt read the Citizenship Act
What does your own citizenship act back on your own country say?
You see the power of social media
What about dual citizenship
People are so ignorant with hate about this girl and think she will be disqualified but little did they know that this girl's citizenship allows her to remain in the competition otherwise she would've been gone already and i would like to thank deputy minister for clarifying
5:04 what on earth was Malema saying then🤔🤔🤔
If the parents is using asylum
If parents neutralize their Citizenship, their Children will citizenship by birth.. Common law principle!
The Deputy Minister must tell us if the Mother is South African and they must check on their register if she didn't acquire her citizenship fraudulently.
The mother is Zulu form kzn where would she find it tell me where to buy it if it’s being sold
Stop being xenophobic
The mother is from kzn she’s Zulu tell me where to buy the citizenship since you know everything
Uyanya wena
@@reggyrock i see you're living under a rock.
My mother was born in South Africa to a South African mother (whose parents, forefathers were also South Africans) & Malawian father(they were never married). The department of Home Affairs refuses to acknowledge her as South African. The family has tried to have DNA tests on her & her surviving sibling but Home Affairs refused to sign those documents as if the money will come from their coffers. So the deputy minister may have spoken well, however it is stuff they don't practice.
even the presenter is not not make sure,
Masbatilis also a foreigner also Thuliadonsela
So now, who was applying feelings & emotions instead of law? Is it the Celebrities or The Patriots? ....Celebrities vs Patriots
So this thing comes from a long way, how did the mother get the citizenship if she’s a Mozambican born in SA? Secondly so for someone to be a SA citizen, one of his/her parents must be SAn citizen and the person(child) must be born in SA?
For one to be a SA citizen, one of the parents has to be a SA citizen but the child doesn't have to be born in SA. Eg, if you are a SA citizen and you move out of SA, then get a child outside there, your child is entitled to a SA citizenship by birth because of you, if he so wishes. Before 1995, the child would claim SA citizenship by descent but they now changed to by birth.
@@franmdleleni6520 ohhh so even if the mother’s parents are Mozambican, if she was born in SA before 1995 she’s a SAn citizen 🫢
@@MNJ_Agri I have a feeling that the mother or the mother's parents had acquired SA citizenship, may be by naturalisation. There is no way SA can grant citizenship if both parents are not SA citizens. One has to be. And even if you as a SA citizen went out of the country. Got into a relationship out there and have a child. That child when claiming SA citizenship has to prove that you as the parent is a real SA citizen. They check your records before they grant your child citizenship. I know someone who went thru the process.
@@MNJ_Agriyes. To which in this case she was born after 1995, she's 23
Her mom surely got citizenship before 1995. Her mum is a South African citizen. So, the lady is a South African through her mum.
Now Mr Minister please check how nearly every barbershop owner, every cell phone repairshop owner, every taylor shop belings to somebody from Pakistan or Egypt or Algeria or Morroco some that can hardly speak English but some even have SA documents with local names? We have thousands of youth that cannot find work? How did these people get here did the SA government assist them or who helps these peole come here then? South Africans must be first