There's a lot of unsolicited rage in these comments, actually watch the video in it's entirety before you start attacking me. All I've done is give an honest account of my experience with the game. I understand it's in early access, but it is not an exaggeration to say a game I literally (still) cannot play is unplayable. I have faith that the game will get better, but right now I do not believe it is worth the asking price and I think people should wait for it to improve. If you can run it and you're having fun, that's great. But I could not in good conscience recommend the game in the state it's in. I also showed plenty of footage of the game with the recommended specs, so stop telling me my opinion is invalid because I tested it with more representative hardware first. I am a huge fan of Kerbal and I want it to be the best it can be. Going into full on fanboy seethe at someone for levelling legitimate criticism at something is not productive.
They're all bots shills and people who are coping with paying 50 bucks for unoptimized garbage, they paid fifty dollars for a game that will be unplayable for two years, if the devs don't literally up and run with the money like I expect them too. I'm too excited, I have this pinned so I can come back and laugh at all these consumer pigs when it happens. I praise you for having faith, it's a virtue, one I have zero of.
8:00 That's the problem. They stated that they moved Physics to the GPU, which was the worst choice ever. It's causing the FPS issues for most lower end GPUs. Basically you can now play KSP on a potato CPU, but a 4090 is almost required to play the game :/
No shit dude it's early access, no need to clickbait people into hating on a game that barely got released, and you know most people are going to stop at the title
"My game has Noticeable lag spikes when I aim the camera at kerbin but when I look away its beautiful" KSP2 is just giving me Nostalgia for when I played KSP 1 on a laptop with integrated graphics.
My laptop has discrete graphics but the problem is, it was a GeForce GT 540M with a whopping ONE GIGABYTE OF VRAM in a laptop from 2011. The iGPU in your laptop probably had more VRAM lol. KSP was a slideshow. Even with my relatively new build (had it since November) which uses a Ryzen 7 5800X and RX 6700XT, (I'm assuming his CPU is a bit newer than his GPU, since they don't usually age anywhere near as well as the 1070 and 1080 have performance-wise) it slows down a bit. To be fair I'm running just about every graphics enhancement mod available on CKAN including and especially Parallax, which absolutely DRINKS computer resources when collisions are enabled. But, I do kinda need them installed, the vanilla game was kinda acting weird and having graphics glitches with a brand new GPU that aren't there with the mods. Probably devs having trouble getting their software to play nice with AMD drivers as usual. Wonder how my machine would do with KSP 2? I mean, I'm not gonna buy it right now because in my eyes, 40-something dollars should get you a game that's at least optimized, but I do wonder.
@@codylawler2652 I'm afraid KSP might be the new The Sims. A cool simulation game that made a big impact right up until its new owners damaged the games rep every sequel through corner-cutting, poor communication, and aggressive business practices until the series died. "We are making a big, expansive game loaded with new features, but doing so will take longer than we previously anticipated." If those features aren't in what was the delay for? It looks to me as though they haven't been being honest about how much is missing but expect you to pay full price with minimal complaints which is exactly how EA has handled The Sims and we all know how that went.
"After many complaints about motion sickness we are happy to announce the brand new Stanly Parable Reassurance Arrow. If you've ever been worried as to where the center of your screen was the arrow will now reassure you that it is in fact in the center of your screen. This technology has taken ages to make so I hope you appreciate this leap in human accomplishment Stanly, this was created for you after all."
Something like that could be an oversight and would be very easy to fix. Depending on how it is coded and assuming there is a method somewhere for confirmation windows it shouldn't be more than a handful of lines of code. If the game is still in 'early access' I would imagine there are probably tons of little things like that in the current version which slipped through testing and quality assurance but once the general public get their hands on it those kinds of issues will quickly be flagged.
when you need to destroy your ship you probly dont have time to be like yeah im sure i want to do this and im not a bot ;) i can also see how finding out this for the first time without a save can be frustrating
The scenario I'm worried about most is if they only released the game now because they ran out of money. If they need sales from early access to finish the rest of the game, then the rest of the game will never be finished
@@makuru.42 it’s not T2’s fault lmao, stop it. Intercept said they’d release the game YEARS ago. T2 has been very patient with them. It’s clear that Intercept is just a completely incompetent studio. Why will people do anything to dickride the devs even when they suck shit? Get real guys
It's been clear all along that development of KSP2 has been quite troubled and I expected a result like this, but it's still sad to see. Thanks for your honest thoughts.
exactly also they did say that most parts arent even optimised yet so all those its unplayable until the end of time and will get worse over time comments/Videos are just so annoying. i myself had no big problems yet. everything fixed itself after restarts and overall the game works ok but nothing i didnt expect from a very early access build.
This is very reflective of my own experience with KSP 2 so far. I do belive it will eventually get better, but it feels like an internal Alpha right now.
I didn't have most of the issues shown here. I ran the game doing multiple missions for about 7 hours. The main bugs I encountered were strange fairing glitches in the VAB (which was shown near the end.) Instability when coming out of high time warp (1000x+) on the launchpad. The lack of a trajectory inside the SOI of another celestial body (shown in the video.) Clouds make stuff look pixelated for whatever reason, and the last tutorial on how to capture at the Mun had a bug where you'd fail if you deleted the maneuver after finishing it. The saves work just fine for me, I didn't have the arrow bug, and it's been loading just fine. The game plays pretty smoothly for me on high settings, I used a 30-40 part rocket to get a rover to the Mun and the only problems I encountered were the trajectory thing and the map taking a couple seconds to load when you press M. My computer has an Intel I9-9900K and a GeForce RTX 2070. which is a little past the updated recommended requirements released yesterday. It didn't run at a perfect 60fps but it was more than playable for me. I'm sorry to hear that you've been having issues with KSP2. I hope that they're resolved soon.
I had the exact same bugs when I played, the fairing bug was especially annoying as it meant it was really hard to see what was under the fairing and make changes without deleting the fairing entirely
@@willo1345 my point is a lot of the bugs in this video were patched, which is good, but there's still quite a few to go sadly. And you'd be correct because I never played Cyberpunk.
@@1mariomaniac Regardless, this isn't worth 50 bucks. They should have followed ksp1's early access policy if they were going to do it this way and charge an amount the game is actually worth in it's current state. But they didn't, because they know blind fans will buy it anyway because they "know for a fact" that ksp2 will deliver every promise they have made.
Man, this is really disappointing, I was expecting it to have some bugs, heck even some major ones here and there due to the scope of the game, I can’t see myself spending $50 on it anymore. I was so looking forward to this game and it is heartbreaking to see the state of the game. I hope the state is INFINITELY better in N9SA’s stream, or at least, they hold the “un-release” and fix it
To be fair, it's pretty much alpha version of the game and on my memory, early alphas of KSP were barely playable as well. On one I literally had game freeze when my rocket was more than 10 objects and I was running at a time rapidly aging Socket 775 Core 2 Quadro machine (those at this point are what, 15 years old?) It is hard to ask optimisation on this stage, which looks to be quite early and since my work includes testing early builds of games I can tell this - code optimisation and performance improvement is genuinely not the first thing that happens - in reality it can happen as late as in late betas and this EA is not even alpha. I remember case when early build of Space Engineers had a massive memory leak which caused game fill in over 16 gigabytes of RAM and now it doesn't need that much memory to operate at all. Genuinely I suggest to wait until full release. Do not buy game now - wait until 1.0 release - it will probably be a different game at that point. That's all I can say,
@@OmegaEnvych difference is, the Alpha of KSP1 back in the day cost like 13 quid. And very early Early Access backers got all the DLCs for free (which you know, is never gonna happen under TakeTwo).
@@OmegaEnvych Or, and hear me out here, OR buy the game now and let it sit in Steam because they've already confirmed the price is going up once it reaches 1.0. Are you willing to spend $50 now and wait, or spend $60-70 later?
@@MasterMayhem78 Not an excuse, the game costs 50 bucks, despite the fact that it is impossible to play it. Not an excuse, come up with something better to get rid of incompetent developers and a greedy publisher. The first version of ksp 1 was the same in saturation as ksp 2, but with the difference that first part was made by one person in six months, and here a huge development studio with a rich publisher could not make a normal optimized game in 3 years. Absolute trash, a failure.
@@pemioi KSP1 at the same point of development was one guy using flex time at his day job. You can't compare that to a studio taking over development and spending years to get to this point.
As soon as I heard T2 had different people working behind Squad's backs on KSP2 I was very worried, and ks2's release has justified my fears. I'm tired of triple a games releasing in a state where the game cannot consistently function properly.
RX 480 here. Curiosity got the better of me re: system requirements. Surprised it was able to run things playable, based on a couple of hours play so far. That said, I'll definitely have replaced the graphics card by the time the majority of the fixes have been addressed, as it was next on the upgrade list prior to this.
Thank you for articulating this exactly as I've felt it. I feel sad looking at people reducing their expectations well below what they deserve, well below KSP1. If it can't achieve that, there is no purpos to KSP2
People are coping hard and are in denial. They’ve waited so long they can’t yet accept that is is a compete disappointment and an unacceptable mess of a game.
I kind of knew from the announcement of the roadmap that there were going to be some ‘issues’ and I’m definitely going to letting this one receive some patches and roadmap completion before I give IG any money.
Later that night, Penguin would receive a terrible dream, he tossed and turn in his sleep, mumbling to himself...until he woke up in shock. He shakes off the bad dream and figures a glass of water would freshen him up...but there it is, waiting...it was no dream, no nightmare...the arrow was staring back. It is real. Bobbing up and down slowly, it sent a shiver down his spine.
KSP was the third game I ever purchased on steam. I purchased it in 2014 and it alone got me interested in space travel. I have been nothing but ecstatic for KSP 2 in this time. All I was expecting for the EA release was that it was playable on my system (which is no slouch). I had no issue with the bugs. I had no issue with the content on launch. I had an issue with getting barely 20 FPS regardless of my graphical settings. I had an issue with the same bugs seen on the 9th being in the same build of the game released to consumers on the 24th. To defend this blindly is a disservice to KSP 2 as a game and to KSP's name as a whole.
As another person with a 1070, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna wait for a few updates before buying it, in it's current state it's *maybe* worth 10-20€, not 50€. And when/if I buy it, I'll probably pray to the almighty arrow during the download.
TBF, from what I'm seeing from others and my own PC (i7 7700k, 1660 6gb vram, 24gb ram) my game's performance is the same as the highest tier builds. It's a matter of optimization across the board. That said, yea it's basically unplayable right now for the average gamer. YTers with thousands of hours in KSP 1 and who've had their hands on early builds are already used to these quirks so when they are launching missions in game and completing them, it's because they know what to look for already.
@Tuning3434 it was released mid 2016 which makes it almost 7 years old. That's on the better half of a decade, so yes, almost a decade haha the date he purchased it doesn't make a difference in performance. New games *typically use latest software architecture
@@airforcerymer15 1.) KSP is in EA and requires 2-3 generation newer hardware than fully released AAA titles of late. 2.) The OP's 1070 is on par with most of the minimums for those AAA titles. 3.) Updates will optimize the game making it more playable on lower end hardware. 4.) Software architectures are not dependent on current gen hardware. Your perceived attitude towards this matter seems a bit too elitist, yet ignorant to be taken as anything short of trolling.
Just came in from Matt Lowne's and Scott Manley's launch-day livestreams. Looks like they've at least patched most of the big crash issues for launch day if not all of them. Still, give it a week or so.
I expect at least a month till any major improvement, and realistically somewhere between 3 months and a year before decent enough state to consider buying it. And that's only regarding bugs and performance. I fully expect it to be 2-3 years, till we get enough content to switch from modded KSP. And that's assuming project won't be halted due to reviews/poor sales.
I was interested looking at scotts older PC performance. Yeah it's not great and I understand why people are upset but this is way better than the pre release streams made it look. Hopefully people can try to see it for what it is and not hate mob it
Before watching this, I HOPE this is clickbait lmao Edit: thanks beardy for actually using a normal setup, I have now decided to wait a few months until hopefully mods and updates start to come out. Edit 2: I had a theory before. I am pretty sure they got a corporate deadline and had to release...
mods, lol, found this in the EULA "cheat (including but not limited to utilizing exploits or glitches) or utilize any unauthorized robot, spider, or other program in connection with any online features of the Software"
Yes that could be the reason, but on the other hand, it was in development for such a long time now. I can´t really understand how the performance can be so bad after that time.
@@photonaut_8875 definitely not unplayable! I've had one bug that required restart, other than that I've been having fun and it's a bit laggy at times, but mostly okay!
Looking at other players' experiences, I guess it's very much down to individual hardware combinations. I'm sure they'll figure it out. Also, 25fps can be quite a smooth experience to some if the framerate is constant, while 60fps average can seem unplayable if there are a lot of microstutters. It all kinda depends.
I've reached a new character arc where I learn of new games from the screencaps of some streamer/RUclipsr's desktop. Also I wasn't going to play KSP2 early access but thank for you making me feel better about it with your disappointment and frustration. Silver linings around every cloud.
I think KSC runways are aliased currently even on RTX 2080 and Antialiasing set to 8x. However I can say many issues from the media build we got a bit early were fixed. I sent approx 6 issues and in todays build 5 of them were fixed, so devs are listening. The issue with game freezing on load i fixed by deleting my campaign in %appdata%/LocalLow. I deleted folder Intercept Games and then KSP2 restarted no problems. Just in case it happens again.
But with so many bugs which they can fix in a matter of days, how come they couldn't go through them the past 3+ years? There are some very simple things such as obvious texture tiling of clouds and water, render issues of the early 2000s' foliage, etc all of which should not be there in the first place if they have art directors. Also the rocket plume's particle system is ridiculous, the smoke behind the rocket moves with the nozzle. These are simple settings which would be the first thing you would take care of when building the particle system.
@@Szaboo92because bugs are hard to find. there's already over 2500 players on day 1; that's 2500 extra people running different hardware, different software, different playstyles, and over 2500 hours of data in one hour of everybody playing rather than 1 hour of 1 dev playing.
@@Szaboo92 Its a beta, your playing the wrong game if you were expecting a full release, KSP 1 was in a much worse state on launch than it is now so we should expect the same frome this installment
@@morgansmith1529 When KSP 1 launched we didnt have the tech and they didnt have the team that they got now. Stop comparing it to that and look at the state of the game industry. Supposedly AAA titles come out as alpha versions (GTA Trilogy, Cyberpunk, KSP2) and they cost 50USD+... Its a mess and its messed up that publishers can do this without consequences.
@@nireki1451 And yet, I would rather pay $50 now and sit on it while Private Division optimizes the game than pay $60-$70 dollars in a year's time for the exact same game with a few extra bells and whistles.
@@updateguypls1088 I mean in a few years time you could also just wait for a sale and buy it for 30 bucks or something like that. The price won't rise until 1.0 and that's not happening soon! So just give it some time
@@nireki1451 Then why not buy it now, and start enjoying it even with some hiccups? I don't understand.... Is running totally fine for me, not at stellar FPS's but enough to enjoy it.
yeah we saw this coming at this point, every game does this now. I’ll just say the same thing to y’all I’ve been saying on other vids; just keep an eye on it and buy it when it’s worth the money to you.
@@Merudiana-the-local-demoness you shouldn’t have to pay full price for a broken test build; this is a development stage that used to be done pre-release and is now done by making people pay to effectively be playtesters
@@Android_ELITE But still, it was very transparent and obvious that it was becoming available in this state. At that point, it’s just up to the buyer to look at the product itself and make the conscious logical choice of whether or not they want to participate. That’s called “using your brain.”
@@Merudiana-the-local-demoness yes, and that’s essentially what I said originally; the part that isn’t fair is that they took responsibility for this IP, being the only ones allowed to do anything with it, and after 4-5 years have sold a dysfunctional alpha for the price of a full game. making this clear to the community is the absolute minimum they can do and at best they’ve been irresponsible with the title. the practice has become common over the past 10-15 years and is an easy way for companies to take extra money without earning it first, and it should not be encouraged if practical.
The fact that they deleted their "Hmm, most PC's are handling the game just fine, seems like it's a you-problem" comment in this video already narrates the incoming tale ahead.
My launch day experience, I have played the game for a few hours so far and performence was fine for me for all of the smaller craft I built. Performence did chug quite a bit when I built a monster of a rocket to send Jebediah to another galaxy, but I got my frame rate back a bit after I dropped the first stage. The monster did experience some vertical wobble but it wasn't anywere near as bad as what you showed with a much smaller craft(the monster has 511 parts) and was fixed with a single set of struts. The worst bug I experienced was being unable to select anything in the VAB, which was fixed by leaving the VAB and reentering. It realy feels like they fixed most the performance issues between the version of the game they sent you and the version they released into early access because my CPU & GPU are about two generations old and this point and neither were top of the line when they came out. While I have greatly enjoyed the game so far I can recognize how content deplete it is right now. I could see it would be just by looking at the road map before I bought it. If you already own KSP 1 than I think just about the only reason to buy KSP2 in its current state is because you want to support the developers, that's why I did.
You launched a craft consisting in 511 parts in KSP2..?? I would very much like to see this miracle. I doubt you did but hey, prove me wrong with a short video.
I waited years for this game, essentially from day one, patiently waited despite all the delays that the game had, but to receive a barely finished barely functional product is very disappointing not to mention that it barely has any of the features that it promised to implement, honestly I would have bought it even in early access if didn't have all these performance issues/bugs.
Love your review, and the humor in spite of the disappointment. I'm not interested in fan boy vids but actual objective reviews and this is it. Subscribed.
It's does not yet compete with KSP1 in terms of game play and quality of experience. It's a pale shadow of its predecessor, yet It's still drawing me in all over again. Looking forward to what KSP2 looks like in 6 months.
My main issue with this entire game is that it could have easily been made with a couple mods applied to KSP1. Shaders, multiplayer, new parts, new planets, "remastered" planet graphics....we HAVE those and they look way better than this game currently (albeit the darkmultiplayer mod was 80% what I was looking for). I would have probably like it more to have a $40 DLC adding proper official multiplayer and what I just said rather than have to wait years for a game that I doubt will be optimized quickly if at all
@@diverman1023 A) some people don't like running with mods. B) graphics are subjective, and I think they look *much* better, even than modded KSP. C) you must've forgotten the loading times on KSP 1 with loads of mods. I sure haven't. D) You must've forgotten what the alpha of KSP 1 was like. I sure haven't. E) These guys have a track record of delivering on their promises, again see KSP 1. F) The majority of the reason KSP is what it is today is because Squad literally hired them on as devs. If they hadn't, it would be a stepping stone to Orbiter and nothing more.
@@diverman1023 Yeah like... I can barely get rockets to Duna. I don't really need interstellar to get me to buy it. You know what would've made me buy this game? Massively improved optimization with virtually identical features. I would have bought that in a second. They went for looks over performance, and I will always choose performance first. I won't be buying this game, it seems.
yeah, people be like "oh it's early access, it's fine if it's unplayable" as if ksp2 being early access making it immune to criticism. the devs might not fix it if it's not heavily criticize.
The worry is they where ready to release a easy access in 2019, but decided to delay it, so the fact this is 4 year further along, i cant see this game being fully released this decade, seriously, shame, but KSP1 works great now on my new PC
I downloaded it this morning, about 30m after it hit steam I put a rocket together and made it to the Mun and back. I had a hang up in the VAB and did a restart, then got to Mun orbit and hard crashed to desktop. Reloaded. Relaunched the same rocket and made it to the Mun and back no problems. But it worked. I have a fairly new system and had no lag, good frame rates, it was good. It's early access, it's exactly where I would expect it to be. It's going to have some clunky ui and some crashes for now, but it's early access! It's not ready yet! It's going to be okay lol
Thank God you and Carnasa have the courage to say the truth. There are way too many fans and other KSP RUclipsrs that are coping hard and are in the denial stage of grief not wanting to admit that this whole thing is turning out to be a cyberpunk 2077 tier disaster of a launch. For 3.5 years they have been delaying and all the fans have been saying “take your time we want a game that works we want you to get it right we’re willing to wait for a good quality game”… we literally got the worst of both worlds. We waited for 3.5 years and still ended up with a broken mess that all the waiting was supposed to prevent. For all the waiting and the $50 asking price, this is unacceptable and infuriating.
@@oasntet Till 2025? 2027? 2030? Because at this rate that's when you'll get a good quality version of KSP 2. 3.5 years is unacceptable when this was supposed to come out in 2020.
i’ve been so excited to play this game for years and even upgraded my pc 2 months ago in prep for this game just for it to turn out like this, it’s actually heartbreaking but i had to refund the game. The performance issues even tho i’m on high end hardware bugs and lack of features compared to KSP1 just makes the game unplayable for me but i hope the address these issues soon and as soon as they do i’ll rebuy the game
As sb who does physics simulations a few things on the gpu requirment. The game revolves around solving differential equations for point masses (rockets cog) with given thrust vectors. This is usually discreticized to a solver like the verelet or the RK solver family which can be optimized on both cpu and gpu. The problem is that it is not really possible to get much out of the gpu for ODE's because of time stepping. The next discrete time steps depends on the previous one so one thread/core cannot physically start work because the it needs information from the previous one. Compare this to something like a field solver (electrostatics or even a water surface) whose discreete value NOW depends on the value of the neighbours NOW. This allows assignments of cores efficiently. In a rocket with 1 thruster you have a vector differential eq of 2nd order in 3-dimensions. If you use the RK method and discreticize to 6 differential eq of 1st order the BEST you can do is let each core solve each degree of freedom IF your equations are not coupled. In most cases they are coupled. I also do believe they could have left the gpu to do verlet or RK on the eq of motion and let the cpu schedule the solutions. Overall i agree it is not well optimized. I went in my Cython module and coded a ballistics method with a simple drag and Magnus model (simplified toy model for simple dynamics. Not directly solving the NS eq) and managed to do 1000 iterations in 40 ms which is around 2500 fps on a single cpu core at 4.85 Ghz. So to scale down to 25 fps i would need to have around 100 objects each contributing to the dynamics of the system (~600 degrees of freedom). And this is on a single physical cpu core. Mind you this is IRRELEVANT from screen resolution, when it comes to spatial discretization. But if the solution timestep they use is the current fps number ^-1, (which it probably is like gta5 for e.x) then the solver waits for the gpu to update the frame, takes the time it took for the update, passes it to te solver which solves the coupled ODE dynamics, then passes the solution bk to the gpu to render it as the next frame. Overall impossible to tell without telemetry. Id have to test it myself but i don't wish to buy the game in its current state.
Of course, thrust isn't applied to a rocket's COG, because each part is simulated independently. That's why part count adds exponential* time to each iteration, and KSP1's single-threaded bottleneck needed to go. * or perhaps just n(log(n)); I'm not an expert here
Seeing some of the glaring oddities in the game, such as being able to inadvertently destroy a vessel while using the map, it seems to me that the people making this game didn't even bother to play the original game. Kind of like Hollywood making movies of existing IPs while never bothering to even research the source material! All they literally needed to do was recreate KSP1 with some slick graphics and a few new features and it would have been gold. Instead, they made new UIs and other bits and pieces that make the game difficult to manage. The fact that the controls in the VAB are different speaks volumes. How hard is it to just copy what already exits?
Thank you for sharing your experience trying to play KSP2. They promised to launch a full game with multiplayer and interstellar travel in 2020. An unplayable tech demo for $50 in 2023 is very disappointing. It's also disappointing to see so many people lashing out at you for sharing your experience with the game.
On my desktop computer, KSP2 runs perfectly - unless I have the ground in my field of view, and then it drops to like 4 fps. I have access to another, more powerful computer that can run it, but there are still noticeable performance drops when a planet is in sight. I think something about the PQS rendering must be broken. I’ve run into quite a few other problems. I got kraken’d in Munar orbit. When I dropped out of timewarp, my Skipper engine popped off and my orbital speed evaporated. I also lost all orbit lines after landing and taking off from the Mun, and the launchpad water deluge thingy was following me around. Edit: I don’t necessarily blame the developers for all this. It seems like they had to go into Early Access earlier than they wanted to. I’m not refunding, at least not yet, because I want this game to become something great. If it flops now, it will probably get canceled, and that would be a shame.
I knew from the announcement I will wait at least for colonies update, but considering how much work still has to be done and required specs I might wait even longer to get the game.
The impression I get is that the devs knew it wasn't ready for launch, but mega corp T2 forced them to stick to their release date and jack up the price far beyond what it should be for this early in early access. Either way, I'll definitely get this game, but I'll wait for either a discounted sale, or for one or two big updates that will hopefully help with performance optimization. My hardware is about the same as yours, so I'm no hurry to play the current build.
@@shaynegadsden ehhh but typically early access games 1. Aren't retail 2. Are a good bit cheaper than the final product I bought the game today and while it's not $60 it's still a considerable mark-up from the original's $30, I can see why people are upset with the seemingly 1.66x increase in price for less content. Even though I thought it was a bit steep being early access, I wanted to support the devs. Also I knew that the game was probably going to get quite frequent updates, and I wanted to be there to see it from the start. :)
This video is blacklisted, I tried searching for "Kerbal space program unplayable" and "ksp unplayable" and I didn't get this video, instead I got videos prraising the game. I had to go to my watch later list to find this video.
This shows how competent the simple rockets team have been. It doesn't have the charm of KSP, it feels a little clinicle, but the 1.0 and rebranding release is very good.
The industry standard is no longer "wait until you have a complete product" Its now rush a product. Slap early access sticker on it. Reap the profits. If I remember correctly I could have swore the developers said they didn't want to rush it. Yet here we are... We as gamers need to stop the "Early Access" movement. It needs to stop. Developers are getting away with garbage releases.
I hate to say that I called it when they delayed in 2022 I said performance would be bad and core stuff from the main game would be missing what I'm excited about is the future the first game had 10 years of updates and I'm sure after 3 people won't even remember this and the game will be an absolute blast to play
Pretty much happens with every early access game. They either get abandoned by the dev and die a horrible buggy mess. Or they keep getting developed and everyone forgets that they were originally a big buggy mess.
@@Subjagator im confident it 2ill happen with this game unless there are an ungodly amount of refunds witch I don't see happening I see a few but not 2 many
This is exactly how KSP1 went, and that game ended up great. I wouldn't say its unplayable. It certainly has its problems, but even the Callisto Protocol, while bad, having FPS problems, was still playable. It may have been boring - absolutely. I do think KSP-2 will get into a far better place in the next year or so, just like KSP did. TLDR: Don't buy any Early Access game unless you WANT to early-support the developers! Always, always wait a few months.
I fail to understand why CPU's keep getting more cores, when every game I play (new or old) fails to even come close to properly utilizing the hardware.
1. Less features than KSP1 even though it's been in development for a long time 2. Graphics worse than a free mod for ksp1 3. £50 and likely to get more expensive for a lack of features 4. No re-entry effects
Oh man, you didn't even see all the ui bugs. I have a brand new pc, running games like red dead redemption 2 on ultra while streaming and recording and I'm hitting 14fps sometimes in the VAB, 20fps flying around kerbin in a tiny plane. But the ui bugs. Jesus the ui bugs. just that tiny little x on the part manager is enough to drive me insane. There's loads of little things, like how you can't select a wing while the part manager is open, you can't pan around the vab, some controls being switched from the original to worse keys. they all add up. I had a headache after 2 hours and had to stop
the problem is "experienced game developers". it didnt look like a one of them was over 30. and this is an industry wide issue. the game industry gets young people just out of their gamedev courses, give them an off the shelf engine to work on, and then work them to death to the point where they never want to work in gamedev ever again, then they quit and do other things. so its very hard to find game devs with actual experience. whats more experienced game devs are expensive, and so they tend to hire the newer ones.
@@ricardocabrera8344 I said multiple times that I wanted to like it, but I didn't. Was I supposed to lie? I was running the game on minimum settings, hence me explaining why objects had aliasing. The later footage was all with recommended hardware and better.
The fact that they deleted their "Hmm, most PC's are handling the game just fine, seems like it's a you-problem" comment in this video already narrates the incoming tale ahead.
I just purchased a build with a 2060 6gb, i5 14000 and 16gb of ram and it seemed to run fine for me. Optimization will come, but it is normally a little later in early access titles. I really hope the game does well because it has a joyful energy about it that is so ksp and it looks amazing, even on lower settings. I can't wait to see where it goes.
I have > than recommended specs and it took me ALL DAY to get a Mun landing between dealing with all the bugs and such. The ONLY thing I can think of is they made a special branch build where they ripped a lot of the content out for the "staged EA" and that caused a lot of holes. A lot of the bugs we're seeing are obviously issues with pointers crossing memory where they shouldn't be and such.
When you encounter the endless loading screen, just delete the data from your user/appdata/LocalLow/Intercept Games/Kerbal Space Program 2 folder, beware that this deletes all your save files. This helped me.
Fifty five quid. Really. I run DCS, it has physics, destruction, aerodynamics and even ballistic trajectories for weapons, avionics, radar, infrared. It looks close to photo real and has weather etc. Ok, you don’t build your craft, so one for KSP2. But I run it in 4k on a 2080Ti with up to a hundred different elements on the ground and in the air. It also doesn’t have the range of scales that KSP2 does (from metres to light years). Still, it does have a healthy range of centimetres to hundreds of kilometres. Many people complain about the performance of DCS and it’s currently only running on one core of our CPUs, apparently. It’s code base is over ten years old and about to be updated, reportedly. But what it does, physical and graphics wise is certainly within the same area as KSP and it’s performance is so, so much better. On my old machine at 4K I run at about 50fps as an average with occasional dips to 10 when I’ve overloaded it. KSP2, on RUclipsrs machines which meet the ridiculous suggested specs has KSP2 dropping to seconds per frame. And that’s a quote. Disappointed? Hardly covers it. KSP1 pulled me into gaming as an older person and I spent many thousands of hours in it, stock, modded out the whazoo and eventually a ton of time in real scale solar system. Which is hard. Real gravity and real distances follow the square and cubed rules so something twice as far, for example, takes six times the fuel/effort to get to. So I could almost be considered a KSP stan, but the reports and the price for KSP2 mean I’m staying away until it gets both better and cheaper and I have concerns it won’t last long enough for that to happen.
The system requirements are shocking. Considering the disgusting mess of bad code that was KSP 1 I expected only a modest bump in requirements, not needing to buy a frigging $800 video card.
We don't know how optimised the game is yet since it is still marked as 'early access'. Typically optimisation is one of the very last things you do in development. I really hope it gets better because most of the fun I had in ksp1 was with a ton of mods and am really looking forward to being able to do the same with ksp2 without it turning into a slideshow.
I'm the same way. The rest of my pc meets minimum specs except the GPU. I also have a 1070. I have just turned everything to low and changed to a lower resolution.
Thanks for an honest review! I hope Take Two eats a little humble pie, since steam reviews are currently tanking, and at least lower the price for such a bad experience. I was going to make some content for this game, and now, its off the wishlist for now. Lol.
I sincerely believe that this is an issue that is very wide spread and diverse that is not only effecting KSP2 dev, not just the gaming industry, but culture as a whole. This is an issue that seems to affect everything from KSP2, Cyberpunk 2077, Halo Infinite, etc. to the monstrosity that was the last 2 og transformer films, to various other forms of media, to even why the fucking US Navy cannot seem to be able to build ships without either going well over budget into billions per ship each plagued by mechanical and technical failures.
I... wow... I'll be honest, since the Take 2 acquisition my attitude towards KSP and then KSP 2's development has been a bit wary. They are different teams, so it's unfair, but to me it coloured the attitude taken towards the now series. Coupled with the very optimistic launch date being pushed back so dramatically with more and more feature loss I've been worried about the state the game would ship in. But this is sadly worse than I expected. If PCs that meet the recommended specs can't even run the game smoothly or reliably one has to wonder how they've been testing it. Hopefully this is going to be a No Man's Sky situation, that game ran about as well on launch and was missing lots of features. Also, I'm not a game developer but I am a software developer. At first I thought the tip hangup preventing the game from running was a pretty simple oversight but if a clean reinstall didn't fix it and you have to physically power down your PC to get around it I can't begin to imagine what the error is. Odd to make a feature like that your load-bearing coconut. The devs have their work cut out for them...
I remember when i just started playing the original ksp in mid of 2012 , I remember watching a RUclips video about it and it made me wanna play it and I end up buying it. The performance back then was horrible and it looks now where near as nice as ksp 1 today. Back then I had mid range pc and I barely reach a constant 30fps. But over time I did saw increase in performance over time when the quality of the graphics increase as well. I look forward to every update as it mean I might have better performance or new features but also the occasional bug but that's the beauty of early access. If the developer care it will get better.
Is anyone surprised? Honestly is ANYONE surprised? Look at its dev history and corporate history. And, this isn't a knock on Beardy, but all the delays should have been red flags for people, not inspiring confidence they want to "Ge things right." Delays like that are rarely out of concern for quality, but due to corporate meddling and last second decisions and internal turmoil. Not good things.
@@NNFaNRacing Early KSP1 was made by a single dude. KSP2 has been in development for half a decade by a multi billion dollar company and is still very bare bones. This release failed to meet even the lowest of expectations.
@@GimbleOnDew Well we already know there is no career mode or science system yet it's just sandbox mode right now. The developers and KSP youtubers have made that pretty clear.
Hey beardy! this will probably get buried but KSP2 puts some folders in C:\Users\*your account name*\AppData\LocalLow\Intercept Games. These files generally don't get deleted when you uninstall the game. If you haven't already it might be worth a try uninstalling the game, manually deleting those files, then reinstalling. I should point out I have the game via direct install so steam may do it differently, but I imagine it's the same
Im wondering if they pushed more of the calculations over to the GPU to try and balance the workloads between the two for when the game gets into late stages where players are dealing with massive saves. Overall i like what i see in terms of the changes they have made, but ill have to sit and wait how the development of it progresses before i pledge my wallet to the game.
As someone on the discord has said, people who can code GPU stuff are paid in gold, so probably not, some people have also shown how the game handles the CPU load and well, the game could just as well not have multithreading because of how poorly it manages it
Optimisation is typically one of the last things done in development. No point in putting tons of effort optimising something only to have to change it all when adding the next feature and optimise it all over again. The game is still marked as early access so we just don't know how the current version optimisation matches against what the goal is for the final product.
Oversimplified, a good engine and foundation can be found in all games. There is no way to just tweak the worst performing game ever to be magically like butter. This needed to be written outside of unity since they went ground up. And the fact multiplayer is left for last means the foundation is weak, hard to bodge in later.
After playing for probably 5-6 hours it's crashed about 15 times at random points and when I re-load a quicksave my rocket/plane just completely falls apart. Music's good though.
I just want an accessible game that many players can access and be creative and have fun with. Not only is it broken, it's locked off to the majority of KSP fans- heck, the majority of STEAM itself
Yeah like... I can't afford an RTX 3080. I'm not going to buy this game lmao. Games are getting way in over their head with graphics lately, just making games for streamers with entire server rooms at their disposal for gameplay. It's an empty shell.
I expected problems and incompleteness. However this does feel like all they took was the name and the idea, but the KSP we knew isnt here. Took a refund but will revisit the game in 6 months or a year.
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There's a lot of unsolicited rage in these comments, actually watch the video in it's entirety before you start attacking me.
All I've done is give an honest account of my experience with the game. I understand it's in early access, but it is not an exaggeration to say a game I literally (still) cannot play is unplayable. I have faith that the game will get better, but right now I do not believe it is worth the asking price and I think people should wait for it to improve. If you can run it and you're having fun, that's great. But I could not in good conscience recommend the game in the state it's in.
I also showed plenty of footage of the game with the recommended specs, so stop telling me my opinion is invalid because I tested it with more representative hardware first.
I am a huge fan of Kerbal and I want it to be the best it can be. Going into full on fanboy seethe at someone for levelling legitimate criticism at something is not productive.
ksp laterally has bad management of recourses because it dose not use any of them
They're all bots shills and people who are coping with paying 50 bucks for unoptimized garbage, they paid fifty dollars for a game that will be unplayable for two years, if the devs don't literally up and run with the money like I expect them too. I'm too excited, I have this pinned so I can come back and laugh at all these consumer pigs when it happens. I praise you for having faith, it's a virtue, one I have zero of.
8:00
That's the problem. They stated that they moved Physics to the GPU, which was the worst choice ever. It's causing the FPS issues for most lower end GPUs.
Basically you can now play KSP on a potato CPU, but a 4090 is almost required to play the game :/
Casual toxic fanboys calling any negative takes as sensless hate...
No shit dude it's early access, no need to clickbait people into hating on a game that barely got released, and you know most people are going to stop at the title
My main problem with KSP 1 is that I just never knew where my rocket was on screen, I'm really glad they added such a helpful and persistent indicator
father?
Your alive?! I thought you had quit!
My god it's the man himself. I thought you'd quit years ago!
I thought this day would never come, he hath returned!!
My man comes back out of retirement just to roast a sequel.
"My game has Noticeable lag spikes when I aim the camera at kerbin but when I look away its beautiful" KSP2 is just giving me Nostalgia for when I played KSP 1 on a laptop with integrated graphics.
Same lol
My laptop has discrete graphics but the problem is, it was a GeForce GT 540M with a whopping ONE GIGABYTE OF VRAM in a laptop from 2011. The iGPU in your laptop probably had more VRAM lol.
KSP was a slideshow. Even with my relatively new build (had it since November) which uses a Ryzen 7 5800X and RX 6700XT, (I'm assuming his CPU is a bit newer than his GPU, since they don't usually age anywhere near as well as the 1070 and 1080 have performance-wise) it slows down a bit. To be fair I'm running just about every graphics enhancement mod available on CKAN including and especially Parallax, which absolutely DRINKS computer resources when collisions are enabled. But, I do kinda need them installed, the vanilla game was kinda acting weird and having graphics glitches with a brand new GPU that aren't there with the mods. Probably devs having trouble getting their software to play nice with AMD drivers as usual.
Wonder how my machine would do with KSP 2? I mean, I'm not gonna buy it right now because in my eyes, 40-something dollars should get you a game that's at least optimized, but I do wonder.
oh my god you just unlocked a core memory of me playing ksp having to look up 24/7 so that i could get 90 fps on my windows 7 pc
Weird nerds being weird nerds
Thats some hilarious levels of cope.
It’ll be three more years before this game is stable and fun to play.
aka waiting for current highend hardware to become cheaper.
@@ayoubbelatrous9914 No, software optimization.
The devs are gonna up and run with the money they make just you watch.
Yeah full priced early access is a big red flag for this behavior.
@@codylawler2652 I'm afraid KSP might be the new The Sims. A cool simulation game that made a big impact right up until its new owners damaged the games rep every sequel through corner-cutting, poor communication, and aggressive business practices until the series died. "We are making a big, expansive game loaded with new features, but doing so will take longer than we previously anticipated." If those features aren't in what was the delay for? It looks to me as though they haven't been being honest about how much is missing but expect you to pay full price with minimal complaints which is exactly how EA has handled The Sims and we all know how that went.
Thanks reassurance arrow, you were always there for us.
"After many complaints about motion sickness we are happy to announce the brand new Stanly Parable Reassurance Arrow. If you've ever been worried as to where the center of your screen was the arrow will now reassure you that it is in fact in the center of your screen. This technology has taken ages to make so I hope you appreciate this leap in human accomplishment Stanly, this was created for you after all."
@@The_Dragon_Tiamat I'd be so lost without the Reassurance Arrow, I have to say that it's implementation was a gameplay sheet well spent!
When everything else in KSP failed, Reassurance Arrow stayed true for us, always there, a comforting presence.
We need Apollo's Arrow of Reassurance in KSP1 so we never lose sight of the craft
8:30 Really? A dedicated button to self destruct your ship without even asking if you're ok with it?
Something like that could be an oversight and would be very easy to fix. Depending on how it is coded and assuming there is a method somewhere for confirmation windows it shouldn't be more than a handful of lines of code. If the game is still in 'early access' I would imagine there are probably tons of little things like that in the current version which slipped through testing and quality assurance but once the general public get their hands on it those kinds of issues will quickly be flagged.
@@Subjagator Yeah, Playtesting/QA simply cannot count for any and all possibilities.
when you need to destroy your ship you probly dont have time to be like yeah im sure i want to do this and im not a bot ;) i can also see how finding out this for the first time without a save can be frustrating
Its like a gun automatically going off when its barrel is lined up with your body
Now that's Kerbal!
8:30 - can't believe they didn't include a confirmation window, but it was hilarious
The reaction is priceless omg
Very User unfriendly UI placement
Yes, this is absurd! Who approved this during the game's development stage? It truly highlights the expertise (or lack of) of the KSP 2 developers.
@@OzoneGrif To be fair to them, it's in early access.
Matt lowne also did that.
The scenario I'm worried about most is if they only released the game now because they ran out of money.
If they need sales from early access to finish the rest of the game, then the rest of the game will never be finished
In that case it would probably be literal fraud,. thanks T2
@@makuru.42 it’s not T2’s fault lmao, stop it. Intercept said they’d release the game YEARS ago. T2 has been very patient with them. It’s clear that Intercept is just a completely incompetent studio.
Why will people do anything to dickride the devs even when they suck shit? Get real guys
It's been clear all along that development of KSP2 has been quite troubled and I expected a result like this, but it's still sad to see. Thanks for your honest thoughts.
exactly also they did say that most parts arent even optimised yet so all those its unplayable until the end of time and will get worse over time comments/Videos are just so annoying. i myself had no big problems yet. everything fixed itself after restarts and overall the game works ok but nothing i didnt expect from a very early access build.
This is very reflective of my own experience with KSP 2 so far. I do belive it will eventually get better, but it feels like an internal Alpha right now.
I didn't have most of the issues shown here. I ran the game doing multiple missions for about 7 hours. The main bugs I encountered were strange fairing glitches in the VAB (which was shown near the end.) Instability when coming out of high time warp (1000x+) on the launchpad. The lack of a trajectory inside the SOI of another celestial body (shown in the video.) Clouds make stuff look pixelated for whatever reason, and the last tutorial on how to capture at the Mun had a bug where you'd fail if you deleted the maneuver after finishing it. The saves work just fine for me, I didn't have the arrow bug, and it's been loading just fine. The game plays pretty smoothly for me on high settings, I used a 30-40 part rocket to get a rover to the Mun and the only problems I encountered were the trajectory thing and the map taking a couple seconds to load when you press M. My computer has an Intel I9-9900K and a GeForce RTX 2070. which is a little past the updated recommended requirements released yesterday. It didn't run at a perfect 60fps but it was more than playable for me. I'm sorry to hear that you've been having issues with KSP2. I hope that they're resolved soon.
I had the exact same bugs when I played, the fairing bug was especially annoying as it meant it was really hard to see what was under the fairing and make changes without deleting the fairing entirely
I bet you didn't experience any crazy bugs when playing cyberpunk at launch either.
@@willo1345 my point is a lot of the bugs in this video were patched, which is good, but there's still quite a few to go sadly. And you'd be correct because I never played Cyberpunk.
@@1mariomaniac Regardless, this isn't worth 50 bucks. They should have followed ksp1's early access policy if they were going to do it this way and charge an amount the game is actually worth in it's current state. But they didn't, because they know blind fans will buy it anyway because they "know for a fact" that ksp2 will deliver every promise they have made.
@@willo1345 no, it's not, I agree there. The game is still fun though, and I wanted to support the developers.
Man, this is really disappointing, I was expecting it to have some bugs, heck even some major ones here and there due to the scope of the game, I can’t see myself spending $50 on it anymore. I was so looking forward to this game and it is heartbreaking to see the state of the game. I hope the state is INFINITELY better in N9SA’s stream, or at least, they hold the “un-release” and fix it
To be fair, it's pretty much alpha version of the game and on my memory, early alphas of KSP were barely playable as well. On one I literally had game freeze when my rocket was more than 10 objects and I was running at a time rapidly aging Socket 775 Core 2 Quadro machine (those at this point are what, 15 years old?)
It is hard to ask optimisation on this stage, which looks to be quite early and since my work includes testing early builds of games I can tell this - code optimisation and performance improvement is genuinely not the first thing that happens - in reality it can happen as late as in late betas and this EA is not even alpha. I remember case when early build of Space Engineers had a massive memory leak which caused game fill in over 16 gigabytes of RAM and now it doesn't need that much memory to operate at all.
Genuinely I suggest to wait until full release. Do not buy game now - wait until 1.0 release - it will probably be a different game at that point. That's all I can say,
@@OmegaEnvych difference is, the Alpha of KSP1 back in the day cost like 13 quid. And very early Early Access backers got all the DLCs for free (which you know, is never gonna happen under TakeTwo).
Is early access. Relax 🤦♂️
@@OmegaEnvych Or, and hear me out here, OR buy the game now and let it sit in Steam because they've already confirmed the price is going up once it reaches 1.0. Are you willing to spend $50 now and wait, or spend $60-70 later?
@@MasterMayhem78 Not an excuse, the game costs 50 bucks, despite the fact that it is impossible to play it. Not an excuse, come up with something better to get rid of incompetent developers and a greedy publisher. The first version of ksp 1 was the same in saturation as ksp 2, but with the difference that first part was made by one person in six months, and here a huge development studio with a rich publisher could not make a normal optimized game in 3 years. Absolute trash, a failure.
Totally gonna wait this out for a few months or never. KSP1 has so much more to offer at this moment.
Just wait till the modders get their hands on it, then it'll started getting good
@@123456qwful I'm not looking forward to mods, if the game is in an unstable version. Can't imagine more mods would make it more stable
does no one remember ksp 1 when it came out? with 7 frams....
@@pemioi KSP1 at the same point of development was one guy using flex time at his day job. You can't compare that to a studio taking over development and spending years to get to this point.
@@123456qwful no modding support yet lmao
As soon as I heard T2 had different people working behind Squad's backs on KSP2 I was very worried, and ks2's release has justified my fears. I'm tired of triple a games releasing in a state where the game cannot consistently function properly.
"my GPU is only a 1070 and the recomended is a 2060" me with an RX 570:
Same card. Hope it has 320x240 mode!
RX 480 here. Curiosity got the better of me re: system requirements. Surprised it was able to run things playable, based on a couple of hours play so far. That said, I'll definitely have replaced the graphics card by the time the majority of the fixes have been addressed, as it was next on the upgrade list prior to this.
Thank you for articulating this exactly as I've felt it. I feel sad looking at people reducing their expectations well below what they deserve, well below KSP1. If it can't achieve that, there is no purpos to KSP2
It’s literally not finished yet 🤦♂️
@@SolitaryLark It's $50
@@cbennett1 I literally don’t care what the price is. Don’t buy it then.
@@SolitaryLark I would consider it alpha at best. Not worth the money.
People are coping hard and are in denial. They’ve waited so long they can’t yet accept that is is a compete disappointment and an unacceptable mess of a game.
Thank you for your honesty
I kind of knew from the announcement of the roadmap that there were going to be some ‘issues’ and I’m definitely going to letting this one receive some patches and roadmap completion before I give IG any money.
>road map completion
While I totally agree with you, you’ll probably be waiting another 2 years before that happens. They have SO much more to do.
Later that night, Penguin would receive a terrible dream, he tossed and turn in his sleep, mumbling to himself...until he woke up in shock. He shakes off the bad dream and figures a glass of water would freshen him up...but there it is, waiting...it was no dream, no nightmare...the arrow was staring back. It is real. Bobbing up and down slowly, it sent a shiver down his spine.
KSP was the third game I ever purchased on steam. I purchased it in 2014 and it alone got me interested in space travel. I have been nothing but ecstatic for KSP 2 in this time. All I was expecting for the EA release was that it was playable on my system (which is no slouch). I had no issue with the bugs. I had no issue with the content on launch. I had an issue with getting barely 20 FPS regardless of my graphical settings. I had an issue with the same bugs seen on the 9th being in the same build of the game released to consumers on the 24th. To defend this blindly is a disservice to KSP 2 as a game and to KSP's name as a whole.
As another person with a 1070, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna wait for a few updates before buying it, in it's current state it's *maybe* worth 10-20€, not 50€. And when/if I buy it, I'll probably pray to the almighty arrow during the download.
TBF, from what I'm seeing from others and my own PC (i7 7700k, 1660 6gb vram, 24gb ram) my game's performance is the same as the highest tier builds. It's a matter of optimization across the board. That said, yea it's basically unplayable right now for the average gamer. YTers with thousands of hours in KSP 1 and who've had their hands on early builds are already used to these quirks so when they are launching missions in game and completing them, it's because they know what to look for already.
updates isn't going to change the fact that you're using almost decade old hardware
@@airforcerymer15 That is a bit dramatic, closer to 6 years, which means 5 years for most.
@Tuning3434 it was released mid 2016 which makes it almost 7 years old. That's on the better half of a decade, so yes, almost a decade haha the date he purchased it doesn't make a difference in performance. New games *typically use latest software architecture
@@airforcerymer15 1.) KSP is in EA and requires 2-3 generation newer hardware than fully released AAA titles of late. 2.) The OP's 1070 is on par with most of the minimums for those AAA titles. 3.) Updates will optimize the game making it more playable on lower end hardware. 4.) Software architectures are not dependent on current gen hardware.
Your perceived attitude towards this matter seems a bit too elitist, yet ignorant to be taken as anything short of trolling.
Just came in from Matt Lowne's and Scott Manley's launch-day livestreams. Looks like they've at least patched most of the big crash issues for launch day if not all of them. Still, give it a week or so.
I expect at least a month till any major improvement, and realistically somewhere between 3 months and a year before decent enough state to consider buying it. And that's only regarding bugs and performance. I fully expect it to be 2-3 years, till we get enough content to switch from modded KSP.
And that's assuming project won't be halted due to reviews/poor sales.
they haven't, watch Carnasa's live stream
I was interested looking at scotts older PC performance.
Yeah it's not great and I understand why people are upset but this is way better than the pre release streams made it look.
Hopefully people can try to see it for what it is and not hate mob it
So did you not see Matt landing the KSC from space on Kerbin?
Matt Lowne's stream as in, the stream that showcased a few game-breaking bugs including taking the entire KSC into orbit and crashing into it?
Before watching this, I HOPE this is clickbait lmao
Edit: thanks beardy for actually using a normal setup, I have now decided to wait a few months until hopefully mods and updates start to come out.
Edit 2: I had a theory before. I am pretty sure they got a corporate deadline and had to release...
Same
I have that belief of a corporate deadline too
mods, lol, found this in the EULA
"cheat (including but not limited to utilizing exploits or glitches) or utilize any unauthorized robot, spider, or other program in connection with any online features of the Software"
Yes that could be the reason, but on the other hand, it was in development for such a long time now. I can´t really understand how the performance can be so bad after that time.
@@mr.hierkonnteihrewerbungst8555 they redeveloped the entire system and (from what i can tell) only had one play test
I have faith that KSP2 will be everything it's supposed to be, I'm just disappointed I have to wait more.
I doubt many are going to completely lose faith but it is still very disappointing even for Early access.
I don't have faith at all
It's actually quite playable on my pc (RX 5700 XT and Ryzen 3600). A lot less lag than I expected.
I had some bugs but I wouldn’t say it is unplayable.
@@photonaut_8875 definitely not unplayable! I've had one bug that required restart, other than that I've been having fun and it's a bit laggy at times, but mostly okay!
Im on a rtx 3060 and a 5 5600, and its unplayable (25fps in atmosphere with like a 15 part craft)
Looking at other players' experiences, I guess it's very much down to individual hardware combinations. I'm sure they'll figure it out. Also, 25fps can be quite a smooth experience to some if the framerate is constant, while 60fps average can seem unplayable if there are a lot of microstutters. It all kinda depends.
I've reached a new character arc where I learn of new games from the screencaps of some streamer/RUclipsr's desktop. Also I wasn't going to play KSP2 early access but thank for you making me feel better about it with your disappointment and frustration. Silver linings around every cloud.
I feel it's worth noting that most of the bugs showcased here were patched in the public build released today.
I think KSC runways are aliased currently even on RTX 2080 and Antialiasing set to 8x. However I can say many issues from the media build we got a bit early were fixed. I sent approx 6 issues and in todays build 5 of them were fixed, so devs are listening.
The issue with game freezing on load i fixed by deleting my campaign in %appdata%/LocalLow. I deleted folder Intercept Games and then KSP2 restarted no problems.
Just in case it happens again.
But with so many bugs which they can fix in a matter of days, how come they couldn't go through them the past 3+ years? There are some very simple things such as obvious texture tiling of clouds and water, render issues of the early 2000s' foliage, etc all of which should not be there in the first place if they have art directors. Also the rocket plume's particle system is ridiculous, the smoke behind the rocket moves with the nozzle. These are simple settings which would be the first thing you would take care of when building the particle system.
@@Szaboo92because bugs are hard to find. there's already over 2500 players on day 1; that's 2500 extra people running different hardware, different software, different playstyles, and over 2500 hours of data in one hour of everybody playing rather than 1 hour of 1 dev playing.
@@kadenze6176 Oh no, those bugs im talking about are not hard to find. But keep protecting underdeveloped releases, its your choice.
@@Szaboo92 Its a beta, your playing the wrong game if you were expecting a full release, KSP 1 was in a much worse state on launch than it is now so we should expect the same frome this installment
@@morgansmith1529 When KSP 1 launched we didnt have the tech and they didnt have the team that they got now. Stop comparing it to that and look at the state of the game industry. Supposedly AAA titles come out as alpha versions (GTA Trilogy, Cyberpunk, KSP2) and they cost 50USD+... Its a mess and its messed up that publishers can do this without consequences.
Give it some months. But don't give the studio 50€. Buy it when it meets your expectations!
So...buy it later when they've already confirmed the price is going up? Smart thinking.
@@updateguypls1088 the price is going up once this game hits 1.0! That will probably take some years
@@nireki1451 And yet, I would rather pay $50 now and sit on it while Private Division optimizes the game than pay $60-$70 dollars in a year's time for the exact same game with a few extra bells and whistles.
@@updateguypls1088 I mean in a few years time you could also just wait for a sale and buy it for 30 bucks or something like that. The price won't rise until 1.0 and that's not happening soon! So just give it some time
@@nireki1451 Then why not buy it now, and start enjoying it even with some hiccups? I don't understand.... Is running totally fine for me, not at stellar FPS's but enough to enjoy it.
yeah we saw this coming at this point, every game does this now. I’ll just say the same thing to y’all I’ve been saying on other vids; just keep an eye on it and buy it when it’s worth the money to you.
Literally the developers themselves said that the game is broken. That’s why it’s in Early Access and not a 1.0 full release.
@@Merudiana-the-local-demoness you shouldn’t have to pay full price for a broken test build; this is a development stage that used to be done pre-release and is now done by making people pay to effectively be playtesters
@@Android_ELITE But still, it was very transparent and obvious that it was becoming available in this state. At that point, it’s just up to the buyer to look at the product itself and make the conscious logical choice of whether or not they want to participate. That’s called “using your brain.”
@@Merudiana-the-local-demoness yes, and that’s essentially what I said originally; the part that isn’t fair is that they took responsibility for this IP, being the only ones allowed to do anything with it, and after 4-5 years have sold a dysfunctional alpha for the price of a full game. making this clear to the community is the absolute minimum they can do and at best they’ve been irresponsible with the title. the practice has become common over the past 10-15 years and is an easy way for companies to take extra money without earning it first, and it should not be encouraged if practical.
Disappointing that developers ask $50 to essentially be unpaid debuggers and QC Testers. Why would they risk such bad press?
Long dev times, dev trouble. They need to make money or stop is my guess. They figured they would make it in time, but it's still unfinished, sad
The fact that they deleted their "Hmm, most PC's are handling the game just fine, seems like it's a you-problem" comment in this video already narrates the incoming tale ahead.
My launch day experience,
I have played the game for a few hours so far and performence was fine for me for all of the smaller craft I built. Performence did chug quite a bit when I built a monster of a rocket to send Jebediah to another galaxy, but I got my frame rate back a bit after I dropped the first stage. The monster did experience some vertical wobble but it wasn't anywere near as bad as what you showed with a much smaller craft(the monster has 511 parts) and was fixed with a single set of struts. The worst bug I experienced was being unable to select anything in the VAB, which was fixed by leaving the VAB and reentering.
It realy feels like they fixed most the performance issues between the version of the game they sent you and the version they released into early access because my CPU & GPU are about two generations old and this point and neither were top of the line when they came out.
While I have greatly enjoyed the game so far I can recognize how content deplete it is right now. I could see it would be just by looking at the road map before I bought it. If you already own KSP 1 than I think just about the only reason to buy KSP2 in its current state is because you want to support the developers, that's why I did.
You launched a craft consisting in 511 parts in KSP2..?? I would very much like to see this miracle. I doubt you did but hey, prove me wrong with a short video.
@@gmlviper it wouldn't be a short video. Like I said the frame rate was abysmal until a while after I droped the first stage.
@@gmlviper it highly depends on pc's
After increasing jointstrength in the configs mine plays pretty fine too
I waited years for this game, essentially from day one, patiently waited despite all the delays that the game had, but to receive a barely finished barely functional product is very disappointing not to mention that it barely has any of the features that it promised to implement, honestly I would have bought it even in early access if didn't have all these performance issues/bugs.
Same, wait and 🤞🏻
It barely has any of the features it promised to implement? Genuinely asking what were those features?
Multiplayer, colonies, interstellar, any kind of progression. All promised 4 years ago.
@@kapytanhook Promised in the release. Not early access.
At this point in ksp 2 people are mixing up the words release and early access for the same thing
Love your review, and the humor in spite of the disappointment. I'm not interested in fan boy vids but actual objective reviews and this is it. Subscribed.
It's does not yet compete with KSP1 in terms of game play and quality of experience. It's a pale shadow of its predecessor, yet It's still drawing me in all over again. Looking forward to what KSP2 looks like in 6 months.
My main issue with this entire game is that it could have easily been made with a couple mods applied to KSP1. Shaders, multiplayer, new parts, new planets, "remastered" planet graphics....we HAVE those and they look way better than this game currently (albeit the darkmultiplayer mod was 80% what I was looking for). I would have probably like it more to have a $40 DLC adding proper official multiplayer and what I just said rather than have to wait years for a game that I doubt will be optimized quickly if at all
@@diverman1023 A) some people don't like running with mods. B) graphics are subjective, and I think they look *much* better, even than modded KSP. C) you must've forgotten the loading times on KSP 1 with loads of mods. I sure haven't. D) You must've forgotten what the alpha of KSP 1 was like. I sure haven't. E) These guys have a track record of delivering on their promises, again see KSP 1. F) The majority of the reason KSP is what it is today is because Squad literally hired them on as devs. If they hadn't, it would be a stepping stone to Orbiter and nothing more.
@@diverman1023 Yeah like... I can barely get rockets to Duna. I don't really need interstellar to get me to buy it. You know what would've made me buy this game? Massively improved optimization with virtually identical features. I would have bought that in a second. They went for looks over performance, and I will always choose performance first. I won't be buying this game, it seems.
@@OreoGamingGeek Its a new dev team, squad is no more :/
@@OreoGamingGeek I meant that they could have incorporated simple add-ons into the main game, not that people install mods
Videos like this pointing out bugs and issues need to be made
yeah, people be like "oh it's early access, it's fine if it's unplayable" as if ksp2 being early access making it immune to criticism. the devs might not fix it if it's not heavily criticize.
The worry is they where ready to release a easy access in 2019, but decided to delay it, so the fact this is 4 year further along, i cant see this game being fully released this decade, seriously, shame, but KSP1 works great now on my new PC
Well it is early access.
It can get better…
It can get worse…
All I hope is that ksp2 becomes more accessible
Then they need to price it like it's early access.
I was planning on buying this game day 1, but now I'm going to wait till career mode is released
You could build a real-life career by time this game gets one!
I downloaded it this morning, about 30m after it hit steam I put a rocket together and made it to the Mun and back. I had a hang up in the VAB and did a restart, then got to Mun orbit and hard crashed to desktop. Reloaded. Relaunched the same rocket and made it to the Mun and back no problems. But it worked. I have a fairly new system and had no lag, good frame rates, it was good. It's early access, it's exactly where I would expect it to be. It's going to have some clunky ui and some crashes for now, but it's early access! It's not ready yet! It's going to be okay lol
KSP isn’t exactly Crysis so I wonder why they struggle with optimisation.
ya it's impressive it looks so mediocre yet it runs worse than AAA graphics
Man this UI is GIANT. It seemed it was a very low resolution gameplay, but when you said its 1440p I was kinda shocked on its size.
Phew, dodged a 50$ Early Access bullet there. Thanks.
Thank God you and Carnasa have the courage to say the truth. There are way too many fans and other KSP RUclipsrs that are coping hard and are in the denial stage of grief not wanting to admit that this whole thing is turning out to be a cyberpunk 2077 tier disaster of a launch.
For 3.5 years they have been delaying and all the fans have been saying “take your time we want a game that works we want you to get it right we’re willing to wait for a good quality game”… we literally got the worst of both worlds. We waited for 3.5 years and still ended up with a broken mess that all the waiting was supposed to prevent.
For all the waiting and the $50 asking price, this is unacceptable and infuriating.
I'm still willing to wait for a good quality game. Not sure why saying that means I'm coping hard and in a denial stage of grief.
@@oasntet Till 2025? 2027? 2030? Because at this rate that's when you'll get a good quality version of KSP 2. 3.5 years is unacceptable when this was supposed to come out in 2020.
@@oasntet You'll be waiting until 2027 at this rate. "Any day now they will fix KSP 2... any day now..."
Lowne did, in fact, do an Apollo style Mun mission the first time he touched the game. Congrats, you now have two left flippers
i’ve been so excited to play this game for years and even upgraded my pc 2 months ago in prep for this game just for it to turn out like this, it’s actually heartbreaking but i had to refund the game. The performance issues even tho i’m on high end hardware bugs and lack of features compared to KSP1 just makes the game unplayable for me but i hope the address these issues soon and as soon as they do i’ll rebuy the game
Have you read the EULA. Not sure about this game now.
As sb who does physics simulations a few things on the gpu requirment. The game revolves around solving differential equations for point masses (rockets cog) with given thrust vectors.
This is usually discreticized to a solver like the verelet or the RK solver family which can be optimized on both cpu and gpu. The problem is that it is not really possible to get much out of the gpu for ODE's because of time stepping. The next discrete time steps depends on the previous one so one thread/core cannot physically start work because the it needs information from the previous one. Compare this to something like a field solver (electrostatics or even a water surface) whose discreete value NOW depends on the value of the neighbours NOW. This allows assignments of cores efficiently.
In a rocket with 1 thruster you have a vector differential eq of 2nd order in 3-dimensions. If you use the RK method and discreticize to 6 differential eq of 1st order the BEST you can do is let each core solve each degree of freedom IF your equations are not coupled. In most cases they are coupled.
I also do believe they could have left the gpu to do verlet or RK on the eq of motion and let the cpu schedule the solutions.
Overall i agree it is not well optimized.
I went in my Cython module and coded a ballistics method with a simple drag and Magnus model (simplified toy model for simple dynamics. Not directly solving the NS eq) and managed to do 1000 iterations in 40 ms which is around 2500 fps on a single cpu core at 4.85 Ghz. So to scale down to 25 fps i would need to have around 100 objects each contributing to the dynamics of the system (~600 degrees of freedom). And this is on a single physical cpu core.
Mind you this is IRRELEVANT from screen resolution, when it comes to spatial discretization.
But if the solution timestep they use is the current fps number ^-1, (which it probably is like gta5 for e.x) then the solver waits for the gpu to update the frame, takes the time it took for the update, passes it to te solver which solves the coupled ODE dynamics, then passes the solution bk to the gpu to render it as the next frame.
Overall impossible to tell without telemetry. Id have to test it myself but i don't wish to buy the game in its current state.
Of course, thrust isn't applied to a rocket's COG, because each part is simulated independently. That's why part count adds exponential* time to each iteration, and KSP1's single-threaded bottleneck needed to go.
* or perhaps just n(log(n)); I'm not an expert here
Heres the thing, NONE of that matters. They dont need it to be reality, it doesnt need to follow known laws and principals etc. Its. a. G A M E...
Seeing some of the glaring oddities in the game, such as being able to inadvertently destroy a vessel while using the map, it seems to me that the people making this game didn't even bother to play the original game. Kind of like Hollywood making movies of existing IPs while never bothering to even research the source material! All they literally needed to do was recreate KSP1 with some slick graphics and a few new features and it would have been gold. Instead, they made new UIs and other bits and pieces that make the game difficult to manage. The fact that the controls in the VAB are different speaks volumes. How hard is it to just copy what already exits?
I like honest reviews, unlike those live streamers today that don't understand $50 is the price of a complete game not an EA game
Yup 50 dollars for a promise from a company proving to not be good at keeping promises
TBH Early Access is slowly making less sense for studios b/c of releases like this. I think games like KSP2 are proving that the age of EA is ending.
Thank you for sharing your experience trying to play KSP2. They promised to launch a full game with multiplayer and interstellar travel in 2020. An unplayable tech demo for $50 in 2023 is very disappointing. It's also disappointing to see so many people lashing out at you for sharing your experience with the game.
On my desktop computer, KSP2 runs perfectly - unless I have the ground in my field of view, and then it drops to like 4 fps. I have access to another, more powerful computer that can run it, but there are still noticeable performance drops when a planet is in sight. I think something about the PQS rendering must be broken.
I’ve run into quite a few other problems. I got kraken’d in Munar orbit. When I dropped out of timewarp, my Skipper engine popped off and my orbital speed evaporated. I also lost all orbit lines after landing and taking off from the Mun, and the launchpad water deluge thingy was following me around.
Edit: I don’t necessarily blame the developers for all this. It seems like they had to go into Early Access earlier than they wanted to. I’m not refunding, at least not yet, because I want this game to become something great. If it flops now, it will probably get canceled, and that would be a shame.
I knew from the announcement I will wait at least for colonies update, but considering how much work still has to be done and required specs I might wait even longer to get the game.
The impression I get is that the devs knew it wasn't ready for launch, but mega corp T2 forced them to stick to their release date and jack up the price far beyond what it should be for this early in early access. Either way, I'll definitely get this game, but I'll wait for either a discounted sale, or for one or two big updates that will hopefully help with performance optimization. My hardware is about the same as yours, so I'm no hurry to play the current build.
Probably. I wouldn't be surprised if T2 forced them to raise the price to compensate for the delays if nothing else.
T2 being a major publisher i don't think understands EA at all the price they are asking is about where KSP2 should be retail
@@shaynegadsden ehhh but typically early access games
1. Aren't retail
2. Are a good bit cheaper than the final product
I bought the game today and while it's not $60 it's still a considerable mark-up from the original's $30, I can see why people are upset with the seemingly 1.66x increase in price for less content. Even though I thought it was a bit steep being early access, I wanted to support the devs. Also I knew that the game was probably going to get quite frequent updates, and I wanted to be there to see it from the start. :)
This video is blacklisted, I tried searching for "Kerbal space program unplayable" and "ksp unplayable" and I didn't get this video, instead I got videos prraising the game. I had to go to my watch later list to find this video.
I searched "ksp 2 reveal trailer reaction" and I saw this video below so idk
I specifically searched "KSP2 Beardy Penguin" and didn't get this video either
Only his KSP 1 videos
This shows how competent the simple rockets team have been. It doesn't have the charm of KSP, it feels a little clinicle, but the 1.0 and rebranding release is very good.
The industry standard is no longer "wait until you have a complete product"
Its now rush a product. Slap early access sticker on it. Reap the profits.
If I remember correctly I could have swore the developers said they didn't want to rush it. Yet here we are...
We as gamers need to stop the "Early Access" movement. It needs to stop. Developers are getting away with garbage releases.
"rush a product"? If only it were. How long has the game been announced? I wonder what they were doing all this time.
@@neokerman659 Yea its been 3 years in development lol. If this is all they did in 3 years. I'm not holding my breath.
My benchmark:
CPU: Intel I7 10700K 3.80 GHz
GPU: RTX 2070 SUPER
RAM: 16 GB
Windows 11
Resolution: 2560 x 1440 (2K QHD)
# Graphic Settings: ULTRA HIGH
- AVG: 40 fps
- LOW PEAK: 24 fps
I hate to say that I called it when they delayed in 2022 I said performance would be bad and core stuff from the main game would be missing what I'm excited about is the future the first game had 10 years of updates and I'm sure after 3 people won't even remember this and the game will be an absolute blast to play
Pretty much happens with every early access game. They either get abandoned by the dev and die a horrible buggy mess. Or they keep getting developed and everyone forgets that they were originally a big buggy mess.
@@Subjagator im confident it 2ill happen with this game unless there are an ungodly amount of refunds witch I don't see happening I see a few but not 2 many
HOW DO THE ENGINE PLATES WORK HELP
WHY ARENT MY CRAFTS SAVING PROPERLY?
This is exactly how KSP1 went, and that game ended up great. I wouldn't say its unplayable. It certainly has its problems, but even the Callisto Protocol, while bad, having FPS problems, was still playable. It may have been boring - absolutely. I do think KSP-2 will get into a far better place in the next year or so, just like KSP did.
TLDR: Don't buy any Early Access game unless you WANT to early-support the developers! Always, always wait a few months.
No it isn't, KSP1 ran way faster, and here's the important bit, KSP1 NEVER GOT OPTIMIZED!
it runs just as slow today as it did in EA.
I fail to understand why CPU's keep getting more cores, when every game I play (new or old) fails to even come close to properly utilizing the hardware.
Yeah what are devs doing? Use the power fools.
It's litterally day 1 of Early Access. What did you expect?
To be playable? 🥴
LOL "What did you expect?" the price is "only" 50 euros!
It's 50 dollars.
@@torvic1236 50 euros here in the Netherlands.
1. Less features than KSP1 even though it's been in development for a long time
2. Graphics worse than a free mod for ksp1
3. £50 and likely to get more expensive for a lack of features
4. No re-entry effects
Oh man, you didn't even see all the ui bugs. I have a brand new pc, running games like red dead redemption 2 on ultra while streaming and recording and I'm hitting 14fps sometimes in the VAB, 20fps flying around kerbin in a tiny plane.
But the ui bugs. Jesus the ui bugs. just that tiny little x on the part manager is enough to drive me insane. There's loads of little things, like how you can't select a wing while the part manager is open, you can't pan around the vab, some controls being switched from the original to worse keys. they all add up. I had a headache after 2 hours and had to stop
To be fair, not everyone is having issues. Scott Manley playing beautifully on his 3070
To be fair, that does not change the fact this is unacceptable, especially for the price.
Yeah, that card costs only 550 euros!
@@resottolamontagna904 Meanwhile I would have to spend half my monthly salary for it.
If he’s doing it on his 3070, then I should be fine on my 3060ti I think
no no no
he is literally NOT building big rockets
the problem is "experienced game developers". it didnt look like a one of them was over 30. and this is an industry wide issue. the game industry gets young people just out of their gamedev courses, give them an off the shelf engine to work on, and then work them to death to the point where they never want to work in gamedev ever again, then they quit and do other things. so its very hard to find game devs with actual experience. whats more experienced game devs are expensive, and so they tend to hire the newer ones.
Heart breaking. Think I'll check back in 24 months and see if this mess is fixed.
Game is fun. RUclipsr sounds like he just wanted to trash the game. He is running the game at high setting with the bare minimum GPU.
@@ricardocabrera8344 I said multiple times that I wanted to like it, but I didn't. Was I supposed to lie?
I was running the game on minimum settings, hence me explaining why objects had aliasing.
The later footage was all with recommended hardware and better.
@@ricardocabrera8344 Did Take two send you?
@@ricardocabrera8344 Clearly you are new here.
@@ricardocabrera8344 Shill. Or coping fanboy. Or both.
The fact that they deleted their "Hmm, most PC's are handling the game just fine, seems like it's a you-problem" comment in this video already narrates the incoming tale ahead.
I just purchased a build with a 2060 6gb, i5 14000 and 16gb of ram and it seemed to run fine for me. Optimization will come, but it is normally a little later in early access titles. I really hope the game does well because it has a joyful energy about it that is so ksp and it looks amazing, even on lower settings. I can't wait to see where it goes.
@William Mullaney i5 - 11400F, memory isn't great lol
I have > than recommended specs and it took me ALL DAY to get a Mun landing between dealing with all the bugs and such. The ONLY thing I can think of is they made a special branch build where they ripped a lot of the content out for the "staged EA" and that caused a lot of holes. A lot of the bugs we're seeing are obviously issues with pointers crossing memory where they shouldn't be and such.
When you encounter the endless loading screen, just delete the data from your user/appdata/LocalLow/Intercept Games/Kerbal Space Program 2 folder, beware that this deletes all your save files. This helped me.
1:05 Well, KSPCF does do a bit, especially for game loading time.
"Are you sure you want to kill Jaruki Kerman?"
The fact that they are charging almost 60 Eur for the game is ridiculous.
It’ll probably get better. I’m optimistic. The price for early access though is ridiculous.
There's no way they built from ground up. They copy/pasted code without udnerstanding coding... fake dev's.
Disappointed but not surprised
no it's not 2060 for minimum, I have 2070 and I get less than 30fps...
they need to have a free benchmark
Fifty five quid. Really.
I run DCS, it has physics, destruction, aerodynamics and even ballistic trajectories for weapons, avionics, radar, infrared. It looks close to photo real and has weather etc. Ok, you don’t build your craft, so one for KSP2. But I run it in 4k on a 2080Ti with up to a hundred different elements on the ground and in the air. It also doesn’t have the range of scales that KSP2 does (from metres to light years). Still, it does have a healthy range of centimetres to hundreds of kilometres. Many people complain about the performance of DCS and it’s currently only running on one core of our CPUs, apparently. It’s code base is over ten years old and about to be updated, reportedly. But what it does, physical and graphics wise is certainly within the same area as KSP and it’s performance is so, so much better. On my old machine at 4K I run at about 50fps as an average with occasional dips to 10 when I’ve overloaded it. KSP2, on RUclipsrs machines which meet the ridiculous suggested specs has KSP2 dropping to seconds per frame. And that’s a quote.
Disappointed? Hardly covers it. KSP1 pulled me into gaming as an older person and I spent many thousands of hours in it, stock, modded out the whazoo and eventually a ton of time in real scale solar system. Which is hard. Real gravity and real distances follow the square and cubed rules so something twice as far, for example, takes six times the fuel/effort to get to.
So I could almost be considered a KSP stan, but the reports and the price for KSP2 mean I’m staying away until it gets both better and cheaper and I have concerns it won’t last long enough for that to happen.
The system requirements are shocking. Considering the disgusting mess of bad code that was KSP 1 I expected only a modest bump in requirements, not needing to buy a frigging $800 video card.
We don't know how optimised the game is yet since it is still marked as 'early access'. Typically optimisation is one of the very last things you do in development. I really hope it gets better because most of the fun I had in ksp1 was with a ton of mods and am really looking forward to being able to do the same with ksp2 without it turning into a slideshow.
I'm the same way. The rest of my pc meets minimum specs except the GPU. I also have a 1070. I have just turned everything to low and changed to a lower resolution.
Thanks for an honest review! I hope Take Two eats a little humble pie, since steam reviews are currently tanking, and at least lower the price for such a bad experience. I was going to make some content for this game, and now, its off the wishlist for now. Lol.
I sincerely believe that this is an issue that is very wide spread and diverse that is not only effecting KSP2 dev, not just the gaming industry, but culture as a whole.
This is an issue that seems to affect everything from KSP2, Cyberpunk 2077, Halo Infinite, etc. to the monstrosity that was the last 2 og transformer films, to various other forms of media, to even why the fucking US Navy cannot seem to be able to build ships without either going well over budget into billions per ship each plagued by mechanical and technical failures.
There is no issue. Make a tech demo, hype it up, cash in, gamers keep buying. We trained them to do low risk high hype pump and dumps
I... wow...
I'll be honest, since the Take 2 acquisition my attitude towards KSP and then KSP 2's development has been a bit wary. They are different teams, so it's unfair, but to me it coloured the attitude taken towards the now series. Coupled with the very optimistic launch date being pushed back so dramatically with more and more feature loss I've been worried about the state the game would ship in.
But this is sadly worse than I expected. If PCs that meet the recommended specs can't even run the game smoothly or reliably one has to wonder how they've been testing it. Hopefully this is going to be a No Man's Sky situation, that game ran about as well on launch and was missing lots of features.
Also, I'm not a game developer but I am a software developer. At first I thought the tip hangup preventing the game from running was a pretty simple oversight but if a clean reinstall didn't fix it and you have to physically power down your PC to get around it I can't begin to imagine what the error is. Odd to make a feature like that your load-bearing coconut. The devs have their work cut out for them...
All these bugs did not need an Early Access to be noticed. This launch makes no sense...
I remember when i just started playing the original ksp in mid of 2012 , I remember watching a RUclips video about it and it made me wanna play it and I end up buying it. The performance back then was horrible and it looks now where near as nice as ksp 1 today. Back then I had mid range pc and I barely reach a constant 30fps. But over time I did saw increase in performance over time when the quality of the graphics increase as well. I look forward to every update as it mean I might have better performance or new features but also the occasional bug but that's the beauty of early access. If the developer care it will get better.
Wish I found the game in 2012, I bought it November of 2013 and ended up not getting the DLC free cuz you had to get it before May of 2013 ;(
This isn’t early access, it’s early alpha. Charging 50 dollars should be illegal
I was planning to buy it but when I saw the price, changed my mind.
Same. I don’t mind paying £20 for early access but £50 is bonkers.
Is anyone surprised? Honestly is ANYONE surprised? Look at its dev history and corporate history. And, this isn't a knock on Beardy, but all the delays should have been red flags for people, not inspiring confidence they want to "Ge things right." Delays like that are rarely out of concern for quality, but due to corporate meddling and last second decisions and internal turmoil. Not good things.
I'm so glad someone has finally addressed this, all the esa event youtubers seem to have just swept this under the rug
I think the ESA event youtubers had realistic expectations for an early access game....Did you ever play the first versions of KSP 1?
@@NNFaNRacing I had realistic expectations. Now I have a headache
@@NNFaNRacing going to try it tonight and expect what any other $50 game provides... Like complete gameplay or a campaign
@@NNFaNRacing Early KSP1 was made by a single dude. KSP2 has been in development for half a decade by a multi billion dollar company and is still very bare bones. This release failed to meet even the lowest of expectations.
@@GimbleOnDew Well we already know there is no career mode or science system yet it's just sandbox mode right now. The developers and KSP youtubers have made that pretty clear.
I appreciate the everyman's review with the 1070. Guess I won't be playing for a few years at least.
Hey beardy! this will probably get buried but KSP2 puts some folders in C:\Users\*your account name*\AppData\LocalLow\Intercept Games. These files generally don't get deleted when you uninstall the game. If you haven't already it might be worth a try uninstalling the game, manually deleting those files, then reinstalling.
I should point out I have the game via direct install so steam may do it differently, but I imagine it's the same
The arrow will stay with you for the rest of eternity.
Im wondering if they pushed more of the calculations over to the GPU to try and balance the workloads between the two for when the game gets into late stages where players are dealing with massive saves.
Overall i like what i see in terms of the changes they have made, but ill have to sit and wait how the development of it progresses before i pledge my wallet to the game.
my cpu only gets tikkled by 7% usage... none of the cores even hit a 100% load...
As someone on the discord has said, people who can code GPU stuff are paid in gold, so probably not, some people have also shown how the game handles the CPU load and well, the game could just as well not have multithreading because of how poorly it manages it
Optimisation is typically one of the last things done in development. No point in putting tons of effort optimising something only to have to change it all when adding the next feature and optimise it all over again. The game is still marked as early access so we just don't know how the current version optimisation matches against what the goal is for the final product.
Oversimplified, a good engine and foundation can be found in all games. There is no way to just tweak the worst performing game ever to be magically like butter. This needed to be written outside of unity since they went ground up. And the fact multiplayer is left for last means the foundation is weak, hard to bodge in later.
After playing for probably 5-6 hours it's crashed about 15 times at random points and when I re-load a quicksave my rocket/plane just completely falls apart.
Music's good though.
lol
I just want an accessible game that many players can access and be creative and have fun with. Not only is it broken, it's locked off to the majority of KSP fans- heck, the majority of STEAM itself
Yeah like... I can't afford an RTX 3080. I'm not going to buy this game lmao. Games are getting way in over their head with graphics lately, just making games for streamers with entire server rooms at their disposal for gameplay. It's an empty shell.
You’ll get it later chill
@@SolitaryLark But how much later? It's already been 4 years
@@benihanaa ksp2 took 10 years to finish development. Games take a long time just play something else until it’s done.
We all want that, but it turns out game dev isn't easy and takes a lot of time.
I expected problems and incompleteness. However this does feel like all they took was the name and the idea, but the KSP we knew isnt here. Took a refund but will revisit the game in 6 months or a year.
More of this please. Enjoyable video.
Seems like good that i didnt waste 50$ on this unplayable unstable mess
I appreciate the courage to be honest about your review. I see a lot of people blindly defending KSP2 and I wonder about their motivations. Cheers!