The freezing temperature of most cooking oils is about -10c (14f), so it can solidify in a freezer but it'll melt super fast when taken out. You'd have to do a little bit more work to set it up, but maybe try freezing the oil in something like liquid nitrogen? (alternatively, you can put dry ice in isopropyl alcohol and that'll get extremely cold too)
I feel like there are a lot of established methods for getting liquid cores in dice, and it makes me wonder if you could cast a sphere with a void inside, fill that, seal it, then cast resin around it, so you don't have to deal with the problem of it melting while trying to insert it.
This. Create an ice ball, "paint" it with resin, drain it, and fill it with anything you like. Should be easier and cleaner than trying to have it inside hot curing resin.
When you take the ball out of the freezer, put ice in a bowl and bury your ball mold in the ice, then when you are waiting for the resin to heat up, the ball is right there at arms reach. Even if you take the frozen ball out of the mold, still keep it in the ice until the mold and resin are ready.
unfortunatly ice is 10 degrees F higher temperature than the cooking oil. This would slow the melting process down, but he needs something colder than water ice.
@@texanasimmons1761 yes, but with a bowl of isopropyl alcohol and a chunk of dry ice or 2 the alcohol will be at -130 deg F. This is the bath the oil ball should be frozen in, assuming he does not have access to liquid nitrogen.
@ragin Caucasian I don't understand where the water came from. If you're using peanut oil or coconut oil the amount of water in there is negligible or nonexistent. Now, if you were using butter or margarine, that would be a different story. The point is, if Ben puts peanut oil or coconut oil in his little modified ball gag and throws it in the freezer, he's going to have a better time of it because it won't start melting like crazy in his hands like the canola. The canola could work better too, if he dropped the temp to an industrial -17C, or used liquid nitrogen. Here's a thought: I think the word 'frozen' is the confusing issue. Just think of it as converting a material from it's liquid form to it's solid form. Most metals are solid at room temperature. Are they frozen? I suppose so but it doesn't sound right.
@ragin Caucasian Well I asked a doctor about that once and without getting too technical he said I have what's called a "sense of humour". He offered some remedies like studying very unfunny subjects, but my deep dive into philosophy only heightened my absurdist behaviours. Becoming a parent was another attempt at curing it, but instead of having my humour burned out of me I have developed a never-ending stream of dad jokes. Perhaps senescence or dementia is the next step to ridding myself of this malady, we shall see.
As already mentioned so I’m not really adding anything but you need to bring the oils temp down lower then a fridge freezer is capable of. As noted -10 to -11 Deg C is the freezing point and most fridges can get to around -18 to -21 C. Maybe get some liquid nitrogen or dry ice. Super freeze the oil then take it out of the mould and referees it to have it ready when the resin just about reaches its set point. As usual I’d like to say I’m probably wrong but hey, who knows.
Hey Ben, What if you roto cast the resin, let it set with a small fill hole. Then pour the oil into the resin and freeze. Then cap off the top with uv resin. That should keep the oil in place and avoid heat of the resin melting the oil.
I saw "frozen oil" and I was like, "oh dear..." I've done frozen ice cubes of oil mixed with herbs before for cooking, and those things were so hard to get out! Great for a quick saute, probably not so much for resin.
This is why I love watching your videos, you show the project even when it doesn’t come out perfect or the way you wanted. I don’t wish for you to fail, but the fact that we get to see the triumphs and the not so perfect ones shows me your in it because you love what you do!! Thanks for all the hard work! And maybe try olive oil, I usually freeze it into ice cubes so I can pop them out and use just what I need, and it works really well.
I wonder what would happen if you did a base layer and a "top layer" for the cast? Do the base layer, pour in the middle layer submerge the ball/object when the resin is ready, and drop in a resin disk to act as that top layer, trapping everything underneath it. It would stop the ball from rising and might help keep it centered in the cast?
I was thinking the same thing about a top layer as it looked like the base layer had drifted to the top in the first attempt and thats y he thought it had suddenly set and was haveing trouble getting it in.
How about this process: - cast a paraffin wax ball - melt it away to get a void space with a small hole for filling - pour the oil in - freeze - pour the resin on the top of the frozen oil
I think coconut oil would work pretty well. It solidifies around room temperature and if you get it filtered is almost clear. The only problem would be getting it warm enough to get the snow globe effect after the resin is cured.
Dude. It literally made my month that you quoted my comment about the resin in the bottom first. I don’t know if other people recommended the same thing I did but I’m still taking it personally since you liked my comment on the last video. You’re awesome man.
I just want to say really quick that I think it's amazing that you take the time to read some of our comments and actually do what some of the people suggest. Keep up the good work and I always enjoy your videos
Watching your experiments are really fun, thanks for sharing them! Here’s my idea for what to try for the next snow globe: Fill the mold with colored water, plug the hole with something you can remove like a cork. Partially freeze it, remove the plug (or drill a hole) and dump out the water from the middle. Add in your duck, glitter and oil. Freeze again. This should give you a sphere of ice with oil in the center that you can cast in resin. When both melt, you’ll have 2 different densities of liquid so your duck will float along with the glitter.
When I was little and made homemade snow globes we always put some glycerin into the water about 1/3rd of the total volume. This helped keep the glitter in suspension
Probably the better way to do it is tto make up a small amount of resin, pour ity into the ball and swish it around to coat the inside, when you have a thick enough coating, pour out the rest (a bit like how they mould china teapots), fill with oil and seal the hole, hopefully the ball shape will disappear when fully cast Also a useful tip for liquids that won't freeze easily or those that change composition when frozen (bubbles etc)
I've seen (not resin) snowglobes made with liquid glycerin - it has the same thicknes as oil, but It's clear... I have no idea if you can freeze it or not... 😁 Love your videos btw! 😎👍
As someone who vapes, and smokes a ton of weed, I was curious when I learned that vegetable glycerin won’t freeze, so I loaded my bong with vg and froze it overnight. Pulled my bong out in the morning and packed a bowl and smoked it through the icy cold liquid vegetable glycerin and enjoyed the smoothest smoke ever. TLDR, glycerin doesn’t freeze.
But it might work if you put just a little glycerin in the water. You don't need much mixed in with the water to slow down the glitter. We used to make those calming jars full of glitter for our kids to watch. Glycerin or clear school glue mixed in the water were our go to.
Yeah, Canola oils has a very low melting temp. Might want to try something like peanut oil. Anything above that it'll just be a solid block of oil unless it's kept warm. But I mean, if you have a way to heat it (like some kind of heat producing lamp), it could be a feature for something like coconut oil where the point is to watch it slowly melt over time (maybe like a nightlight situation?)
It looks like plenty of other people thought of the idea of adding another key word (liquid nitrogen) to the mix in an attempt to go viral though some of the other comments helped me think up a few different unique designs for some snow globe style resin pieces with different characteristics! If he does the liquid nitrogen thing then "Ben casts things in RESIN that are frozen in LIQUID NITROGEN that are then turned on his LATHE for his MAKER channel! I saw someone recommending the addition of some thing like coconut oil (melts at 25°C or 78°F) to mineral oil (melts at -4°C or 24°F) to raise the temperature it melts at up a few degrees above freezing in order to make a frozen oil ball that is easier to handle. But why stop there at freezing, that made me realize that you could make the oil melt at any temperature between -4 and 25°C just by mixing the two oils. You could design it to be liquid at whatever temperature you keep your house at but even cooler, you could make it solid at room temperature but designed so you can see what's inside just by picking it up and using the heat from your hands to melt the coconut oil from a white solid into a clear liquid that reveals the insides! If you think about it, the higher the melting temperature of the oil the easier it will be to make so freezing coconut oil with liquid nitrogen should be the easiest! I imagine you creating a tiny scene out of resin and like grass surrounding a pond with some swans, a tiny boat and a cherry tree covered in blossoms (maybe wire wrapped then painted in colored resin) right on the side and a little weight on the bottom. If you stuck that into the coconut oil before freezing it you could create a scene that looks like you thaw the blizzard of winter with the warmth of your hands revealing the spring scene! Since most snow globes have clear globes, you don't need to worry about color matching different resin parts if you make a little structure out of resin to secure the ball of frozen oil in place. I would make a horizontal ring that was held securely in the middle of the cup then anchored to a layer in the base of the cup. A better support structure will keep the oil ball centered better allowing you to make the resin globe you turn on the lathe thinner so the coconut oil can melt faster when you hold it! Melting the coconut oil before freezing it will help to get any air bubbles out. Maybe throw the warm coconut oil in the vacuum chamber too just to see if anything happens while you are at it. You might also be able to put the whole cast in the pressure pot to remove any air bubbles that get into it to help keep the oil cavity round. Good luck and hope this gives you an idea too!
Ben, I haven't even watched the vid yet, but I just wanted to say quickly that you're insane, and I love that you push the envelope where others don't.
This was a great learning experience. If you decide to try canola oil again, perhaps try keeping the ball of oil in an ice bath after removing it from the freezer before dropping it in the resin. Did you consider placing it on the cured base layer and then pouring the rising around it? Or there's a seaweed compound that's easy to make that was make a splash a few years ago which created an edible water bottle. It was clear. Might be something to consider. Love your videos!!! We really enjoy the way you show working through your creative process!
You need an oil that is solid at room temp. I would try coconut oil. Also use cold tongs to handle it because the heat from your hands will melt the oil. You could also try vegetable glycerine. It will freeze and it will keep the glitter suspended like the oil.
Wow that was crazy how the oil melted so fast but I love that the oil left a weird shape. Great job maybe mineral oil is the way to go because motor oil I don't think would freeze in the freezer 🤔
Try this:. Use your ball mold to cast a mold with silicone. Cast that mold in your resin just as you would any other silicone mold. Once cured, cut the whole thing is n half and remove the silicone pieces. Then, drill a hole in the top of the workpiece. Glue the halves back together, fill the void with oil, water, etc. then plug the hole with a resin rod. Turn your snow globe, and there you go!
good idea. you didn't fail, you just discovered another way not to do it. definitely experiment with different oils. on a separate note i've a few ideas. 1. mercury in resin 2. magnetic ferro fluid & you could use magnets to influence the shape. i think you could do some really cool stuff with it
I think what might work is making the mold for freezing the oil in out of resin itself so you could encase the entire thing in resin oppose to trying to pop out the frozen oil and having it melt so fast plus it should look more uniform
This wasn't a failure!!! This was actually a success. You proved that you could use the oil in the resin 💯👌🏻 now we gotta find the right oil to do this with. And tbh, why not try a mix of Water and Elmer's glue? It makes a thick, clear liquid that suspends glitter extremely well. I use it to make Glitter Jars 😁
This was a good learning experience. You can now think of other ways to try this. Plus with all the comments that share their thoughts, advice, and encouragement you will find a way to make it. Enjoyed the show. Look forward to the next one.
How about making the top half of the snowglobe first. So you have an open dome then either stick it to another dome to make a hollow ball or put it on top of an inch or 2 of resin. Then drill a small hole and syringe some water in before sealing. Ok so thats less fun than experimenting like you are but could create something cool. either way thanks for bringing us all some entertaining videos
It might help if you got an oil with a melting point just above room temperature. Depending on the temperature of your shop, coconut oil or palm kernel oil would be ideal. Those are hard to get, though, so peanut oil looks like the next best choice.
Hi Ben! I finally have a suggestion. Yay! How about you measure out the amount of resin you want to use. It will be a test batch. You do this often enough hopefully this will not be a huge waste. Anyway, you can time how long it takes for the resin to be at different stages of setting. Then when you get the perfect oil you will have a timeline for when to add the icy oil ball. And thanks for the surprise episode. It makes me happy!
Have you ever tried casting Gallium in resin? Since resin heats up as it cures, I wonder if the Gallium, with a melting point of about 30 degrees C, it would likely start melting during the curing process. Another thing that I think would be interesting, is, if it did melt but the resin still cured around it, Gallium expands when it "freezes," so it would be interesting to see if it expanded enough to crack the cured resin.
Have you tried making some resin blanks with half sphere holes on top? As in Cast blanks. Turn half sphere holes into them on the lathe. Freeze liquids in the resin then seal the two halfs together and turn them that way?
You can can use a co2 fire extinguisher to freeze oil or grease fire it into a bucket to get dry ice ...great for shrinking bearings to drop into a hot housing, just have to refill the extinguisher afterwards..but beats trying to store dry ice for months.
When you are dealing with oil, you have to freeze it at a much lower temperature, than, than a normal freezer will reach, and you need to do it for about 24 hours; keeping it on dry ice will help keep frozen till you can put it into the resin, and because of the lower freezer temperature, it will not melt as fast. Oil will always begin to melt as soon as you take it out of a normal freezer. You may want to also put it in the vacuum to remove any air, to make it even smoother.
Two ideas. One freeze your oil ball then using tongs,drop it in liquid nitrogen before putting it in the resin. Second idea is use powder die and glitter in butter then freeze and same as above use liquid nitrogen and alcohol to super freeze before placing in resin. If it works and resin curing heat hasn't melted the oil or butter completely set them in the sunlight to let them melt. Then give them a good shake to mix. Oh I light have forgotten to say to melt the butter to add pigment and glitter before refreezing. Don't know if any of this would work but would be cool to see you attempt it anyway.😊
Water expands when it freezes because it forms a crystalline structure that is slightly less dense than liquid water. Most other liquids (I'm sure there are still a bunch that do) don't exhibit this same effect and their solid form is their most dense, so you don't have to worry about the mold exploding the same way.
If you use coconut oil it would be solid and white at room temperature but transparent and liquid if you leave it in the sun! Mixed with floating particles would look pretty awesome!
I reckon you could reduce the melting of the ball by getting it out of the mold and onto a spoon or something so you can easily lift and place it, then putting it in a pile of crushed ice to keep the temperature down while you wait. Or you could cast a "cup" out of resin, fill it with oil, freeze it, then pour fresh resin into the top of the cup to fill it up, so the bottom (becomes top when turned over and polished up) of the oil-cavity is already cured resin and you get to control the shape :-)
Like mentioned, liquid nitrogen or other cryo-freezing might be necessary for this. Oil, especially the cooking oil you used, is great for cooking because it conducts heat quickly. I'm not sure how oil and epoxy react chemically, but that oil is turning to liquid the moment it comes out of your freezer. It will leave a liquid trail as it's pushed down into the epoxy, preventing a perfect seal.
Maybe try making a resin shell by rotating a small amount of resin in your mold first, like the kind you see in those fancy chocolate sphere deserts. Then you could fill it with water or oil and seal the hole with more resin.
A fun experiment anyway, Ben. How about making a resin cast with a pocket in it like you did for the matches? You could then put the frozen oil in and pour the resin on top of it. Bill
I'd say try getting your hands on some dry ice or liquid nitrogen to keep the oil at a lower temperatures; because it's going to have a lower freezing point/higher melting point than water. My guess with it flattening is it started to melt and spread out and, probably being lighter than the resin, tried to rise to surface, but hit a ceiling of curing resin. Hence, if you used something like dry ice or liquid nitro which would get the oil colder and stay colder longer or at least long enough to get it into the resin while it cures, it might hold its shape longer. Does the oil visible move within its little pocket inside the resin? It kind of looks like its locked in place, even though it should be fluid now.
the rubber cast you use for the water, can you coat it in uv resin and make a thin hull out of it? then fill it with oil,close the lid with uv resin, freeze it and you have a perfect round sphere which doesnt deform?
Maybe do some research on what oils freeze the best and experiment with a few different kind. I would definitely go with a clear oil, and one that freezes better. I love the idea! You have some pretty clever subscribers. Love your work!!
The oil in the finale may not be a sphere, but it's still quite pretty, like a splat of glitter suspended in a snow globe. I hope you do more of these oil in resin experiments, with various types of oils, and resin that doesn't heat up as it sets. I like the idea of filling a resin globe/sphere with oil, then casting it in resin.
I don't think you need to worry about oil expanding when it freezes. Some mold release might also help. If you want to freeze the oil properly, you're also going to want to use much lower temperatures.
I was hopeful, but not too surprised that working with oil is proving considerably more challenging. Need to research more on the freezing points of the different oils. Here's hoping you find a better candidate in the next one.
Even if it ended it failure, definitely a good attempt. I'd say do some more test runs with other oils, and maybe try supercooling the oil too, like some others have said.
Something you might try is next time use some uv resin to glue the sphere to the bottom solid layer before pouring so it won’t float or move while curing. It might not be very secure but hopefully enough to give you a chance to pour without having to push into it.
Pour a little bit of resin into the mould, plug the hole, then roll it around until it cures to create a membrane/shell of hard resin around the inside. Pop a hole in the top, put the oil in, freeze. This way even as it melts it should all stay together inside the eggshell you make.
I think if you did a resin cast with a pre sphere of air inside and had it be two parts you could quickly stick the oil ball inside and combine the two parts.
Perhaps holding it with a spoon instead of your hands because your hands transfer body heat which is assisting in the melting... if you hold it with a spoon then maybe it won't melt so fast.
You could have a container with ice in which you can get out and add salt too near the time when it is ready (becuase if i remember rigt, salt melts the ice but makes it colder). Then you could put the frozen oil ball into the container (or maybe a second, smaller container in the ice container) so it will be kept cold right up to the second it's needed.
Can you try putting a layer of the resin that hardens quickly with UV light over the frozen ball of water / oil. Maybe even keep in the freezer while you put that resin on the outside of the water / oil. THEN put it in a container of resin.
I didnt think it was going to work after that first mishap, but it did make it through. What you might want to try first is start off with a smaller ball of oil and then freeze water around that before you put it in the resin then that way is should not thaw out as fast I would think. Maybe freeze the oil in one or two ice cube molds put them in the ball mold freeze it half way with water so the oil dont float to the top and then once they are frozen in place half way then put more water in to make it round.
I just had a thought Ben, if you use water and oil, you could get something to float on the oil under the water (like a duck floating on a pond made of oil) I think that would make an awesome project!!
Yeah I never get it in there as far as I'd like either. Especially if my ball is too cold. Also, failure and learning is never a failure. Science is just f*cking around while holding a clipboard.
Hi Ben, the only time I was able to freeze oil was using dry ice (the stuff we can use to make fog or witches brew lol) we put it into a mold, froze it using the traditional method then used the dry ice by packing it around the mold, taking it to a much lower temperature than an household freezer is capable of. We were looking at what temperature, oil crystals appear. Baby oil, Mineral oil, Sunflower oil were on the list. The lighter, more refined oils froze better. May help.. Great experiment, though my hands were covering my face when it went bum upwards lol!! (ps we did with and without mold with good gloves on burrrrr... Flipping ALevel Science..) Love you videos, I like that your family get involved. Take care
Wow that was a fast melter! Didn’t see that coming! Amazing how you were still able to pull it off. Not the result you were after but I thought all the oil was going to leak out. I’d say it’s a half win 🤩💯💯 Definitely not a fail. Write it down for future experiments 🧫
Is it possible to let resin set while spinning on a turntable so you get a funnel shape? That way you can pour whatever "cast _____ in resin" in it we can think of. Then pour some more resin on top to cap it off.
Cooking oil freezes very badly, and melt extremely rapidly which you experienced here. I would recommend using glycerin instead, because that's what's commonly used in snow globes; and it has a much lower freezing temperature, around 17C.
An idea to possibly keep the sphere, well, spherical: look up "sodium alginate" and "reverse spherification" videos. It's a way to create a thin membrane around liquids, normally for fancy food effects. I wonder if that membrane would survive the cure, avoiding all the problems with ice/oil/etc melting and producing strange shapes.
A half-sphere shaped tool made of resin would push the ball down and stay there with it while it cures.. coconut oil would be cool, it's liquid at warm room temp and solid at cooler temps so it would be easier to handle and interesting to look at
Try avocado oil - the fridge alone is enough to start solidifying. Also, if you have a pal with a chest freezer (aka deep freezer) - put it in there. Those run at like, -40 (which also happens to be about where F and C, cross paths... it is also a weird temperature to live at. But, that is another story.) - and at minus 40, it will take a bit to warm up. That is a LOT of cold heat up - it may even mess with the resin setting... That would be neat to see.
BEN my long lost brother! I thought those things only happened to me🤣! Waiting for the right time ... then ...bam it's gone. How about create a dome hollow it out make base with object...fill ...attach base to dome. Love your projects.
Cast ball and then keep it on a block of dry ice right next to the resin so you can get the shortest trip. Or..... Freeze a ball of water and cast that, drill hole to empty water and fill with the oil/glitter filling and then fill the hole with resin? Depends on the relative weights, but might do it.
Maybe try coconut oil coconut oil is hard until it reaches 76°, so it would definitely freeze and stay solid longer than canola oil of course the downside is it might you know go solid again when it hits 72°...but it's worth trying.
The freezing temperature of most cooking oils is about -10c (14f), so it can solidify in a freezer but it'll melt super fast when taken out. You'd have to do a little bit more work to set it up, but maybe try freezing the oil in something like liquid nitrogen? (alternatively, you can put dry ice in isopropyl alcohol and that'll get extremely cold too)
I was going to say, he's going to have to get it a lot colder than a normal freezer is capable of.
Oil tends not to freeze so I thought.
Was thinking same thing. Dry ice to freeze it more solid.
Coconut oil is solid at ~70°F, freeze that & hope for more time handling it, but just the warmth of you skin will start melting it!
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Get the temp much lower and maybe handle it with tongs, instead of your warm hands.
I feel like there are a lot of established methods for getting liquid cores in dice, and it makes me wonder if you could cast a sphere with a void inside, fill that, seal it, then cast resin around it, so you don't have to deal with the problem of it melting while trying to insert it.
This. Create an ice ball, "paint" it with resin, drain it, and fill it with anything you like. Should be easier and cleaner than trying to have it inside hot curing resin.
That's what I always think of when I watch those videos.
When you take the ball out of the freezer, put ice in a bowl and bury your ball mold in the ice, then when you are waiting for the resin to heat up, the ball is right there at arms reach. Even if you take the frozen ball out of the mold, still keep it in the ice until the mold and resin are ready.
Liquid nitrogen?
@@GrimOfDonuts not everyone can easily go out and buy liquid nitrogen.
unfortunatly ice is 10 degrees F higher temperature than the cooking oil. This would slow the melting process down, but he needs something colder than water ice.
@@akunog3665 adding salt to the ice would help but then it would be part of the ball
@@texanasimmons1761 yes, but with a bowl of isopropyl alcohol and a chunk of dry ice or 2 the alcohol will be at -130 deg F. This is the bath the oil ball should be frozen in, assuming he does not have access to liquid nitrogen.
It’s fine if you fail. In fact it’s good to fail every once and a while. That’s were we tend to learn the most.
Yeah, don't like the term 'fail'. This is Artistic Expression. Keep a journal, learn from everything. ;)
Suchexperiments get even more exiting when knowing they may fail.
The freezing point of canola oil is -10°C / 14°F. It should be easier with peanut oil which has a freezing point of 3°C / 37°F.
...and I'll bet adding a bit of coconut oil would raise that even higher.
@ragin Caucasian it's peanut oil not water
@ragin Caucasian Some fats are solid at room temperature, like coconut oil.
@ragin Caucasian I don't understand where the water came from. If you're using peanut oil or coconut oil the amount of water in there is negligible or nonexistent. Now, if you were using butter or margarine, that would be a different story. The point is, if Ben puts peanut oil or coconut oil in his little modified ball gag and throws it in the freezer, he's going to have a better time of it because it won't start melting like crazy in his hands like the canola. The canola could work better too, if he dropped the temp to an industrial -17C, or used liquid nitrogen.
Here's a thought: I think the word 'frozen' is the confusing issue. Just think of it as converting a material from it's liquid form to it's solid form. Most metals are solid at room temperature. Are they frozen? I suppose so but it doesn't sound right.
@ragin Caucasian Well I asked a doctor about that once and without getting too technical he said I have what's called a "sense of humour". He offered some remedies like studying very unfunny subjects, but my deep dive into philosophy only heightened my absurdist behaviours. Becoming a parent was another attempt at curing it, but instead of having my humour burned out of me I have developed a never-ending stream of dad jokes. Perhaps senescence or dementia is the next step to ridding myself of this malady, we shall see.
As already mentioned so I’m not really adding anything but you need to bring the oils temp down lower then a fridge freezer is capable of. As noted -10 to -11 Deg C is the freezing point and most fridges can get to around -18 to -21 C.
Maybe get some liquid nitrogen or dry ice. Super freeze the oil then take it out of the mould and referees it to have it ready when the resin just about reaches its set point.
As usual I’d like to say I’m probably wrong but hey, who knows.
Hey Ben,
What if you roto cast the resin, let it set with a small fill hole. Then pour the oil into the resin and freeze. Then cap off the top with uv resin.
That should keep the oil in place and avoid heat of the resin melting the oil.
I think this might work
I was gonna say, there must be some way to utilize UV resin that would make this easier. I definitely think this is the way to go!
I think this might work too
This idea is better than what I suggested 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I saw "frozen oil" and I was like, "oh dear..."
I've done frozen ice cubes of oil mixed with herbs before for cooking, and those things were so hard to get out! Great for a quick saute, probably not so much for resin.
This is why I love watching your videos, you show the project even when it doesn’t come out perfect or the way you wanted. I don’t wish for you to fail, but the fact that we get to see the triumphs and the not so perfect ones shows me your in it because you love what you do!! Thanks for all the hard work! And maybe try olive oil, I usually freeze it into ice cubes so I can pop them out and use just what I need, and it works really well.
Loved it as usual, love hanging out with ya and learning
Thanks Mate
I wonder what would happen if you did a base layer and a "top layer" for the cast? Do the base layer, pour in the middle layer submerge the ball/object when the resin is ready, and drop in a resin disk to act as that top layer, trapping everything underneath it. It would stop the ball from rising and might help keep it centered in the cast?
I was thinking the same thing about a top layer as it looked like the base layer had drifted to the top in the first attempt and thats y he thought it had suddenly set and was haveing trouble getting it in.
How about this process:
- cast a paraffin wax ball
- melt it away to get a void space with a small hole for filling
- pour the oil in
- freeze
- pour the resin on the top of the frozen oil
Idea: coat your mold with that UV resin you're always using. Then pour your oil in and try to plug the top hole with more UV resin.
Instead of trying to plug the top while the oil is liquid, freeze the oil then seal the hole with the uv resin.
Or cast around another material melt it out, then pour the oil in then cap it off like that
Wouldn't the resin stick to the iceball mold?
Don't forget some mold release, that way it's easier to get it out of the mold without damaging either the mold or the resin.
I still think it turned out pretty cool. Almost looks like a flat-ish flower. Love the idea
Thanks Angie
I think coconut oil would work pretty well. It solidifies around room temperature and if you get it filtered is almost clear. The only problem would be getting it warm enough to get the snow globe effect after the resin is cured.
Definitely gonna recommend putting it in dry ice and isopropyl alcohol. That'll get it waaaaaaaaaaay colder and actually rock hard.
even though it was a fail it still looks amazing. i like the shape it made in the resin when it was cooling
Dude. It literally made my month that you quoted my comment about the resin in the bottom first. I don’t know if other people recommended the same thing I did but I’m still taking it personally since you liked my comment on the last video. You’re awesome man.
Thanks Mate, yep it was all you 😊👍
Two videos in a week. Your spoiling us Ben. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Mate
I just want to say really quick that I think it's amazing that you take the time to read some of our comments and actually do what some of the people suggest. Keep up the good work and I always enjoy your videos
Watching your experiments are really fun, thanks for sharing them!
Here’s my idea for what to try for the next snow globe: Fill the mold with colored water, plug the hole with something you can remove like a cork. Partially freeze it, remove the plug (or drill a hole) and dump out the water from the middle. Add in your duck, glitter and oil. Freeze again. This should give you a sphere of ice with oil in the center that you can cast in resin. When both melt, you’ll have 2 different densities of liquid so your duck will float along with the glitter.
When I was little and made homemade snow globes we always put some glycerin into the water about 1/3rd of the total volume. This helped keep the glitter in suspension
I wouldn’t call it a fail, it was an awesome experiment! They can’t all come out perfect the first time.
Agreed, it's not a real failure if you learn from it. And here we learned frozen cooking oil melts really fast XD
Probably the better way to do it is tto make up a small amount of resin, pour ity into the ball and swish it around to coat the inside, when you have a thick enough coating, pour out the rest (a bit like how they mould china teapots), fill with oil and seal the hole, hopefully the ball shape will disappear when fully cast
Also a useful tip for liquids that won't freeze easily or those that change composition when frozen (bubbles etc)
Baby oil works really well. I use it in nail art making snow globes for a Christmas set.
I've seen (not resin) snowglobes made with liquid glycerin - it has the same thicknes as oil, but It's clear... I have no idea if you can freeze it or not... 😁
Love your videos btw! 😎👍
As someone who vapes, and smokes a ton of weed, I was curious when I learned that vegetable glycerin won’t freeze, so I loaded my bong with vg and froze it overnight. Pulled my bong out in the morning and packed a bowl and smoked it through the icy cold liquid vegetable glycerin and enjoyed the smoothest smoke ever. TLDR, glycerin doesn’t freeze.
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But it might work if you put just a little glycerin in the water. You don't need much mixed in with the water to slow down the glitter. We used to make those calming jars full of glitter for our kids to watch. Glycerin or clear school glue mixed in the water were our go to.
@@DrPWNS-fz6yh It does freeze, but takes approximately -40° (your choice at that temp, C or F!)
@@UncleKennysPlace by “won’t freeze” I meant at home freezer temps, lol, everything has a freezing point, lol
Yeah, Canola oils has a very low melting temp. Might want to try something like peanut oil. Anything above that it'll just be a solid block of oil unless it's kept warm. But I mean, if you have a way to heat it (like some kind of heat producing lamp), it could be a feature for something like coconut oil where the point is to watch it slowly melt over time (maybe like a nightlight situation?)
It looks like plenty of other people thought of the idea of adding another key word (liquid nitrogen) to the mix in an attempt to go viral though some of the other comments helped me think up a few different unique designs for some snow globe style resin pieces with different characteristics! If he does the liquid nitrogen thing then "Ben casts things in RESIN that are frozen in LIQUID NITROGEN that are then turned on his LATHE for his MAKER channel!
I saw someone recommending the addition of some thing like coconut oil (melts at 25°C or 78°F) to mineral oil (melts at -4°C or 24°F) to raise the temperature it melts at up a few degrees above freezing in order to make a frozen oil ball that is easier to handle. But why stop there at freezing, that made me realize that you could make the oil melt at any temperature between -4 and 25°C just by mixing the two oils. You could design it to be liquid at whatever temperature you keep your house at but even cooler, you could make it solid at room temperature but designed so you can see what's inside just by picking it up and using the heat from your hands to melt the coconut oil from a white solid into a clear liquid that reveals the insides! If you think about it, the higher the melting temperature of the oil the easier it will be to make so freezing coconut oil with liquid nitrogen should be the easiest!
I imagine you creating a tiny scene out of resin and like grass surrounding a pond with some swans, a tiny boat and a cherry tree covered in blossoms (maybe wire wrapped then painted in colored resin) right on the side and a little weight on the bottom. If you stuck that into the coconut oil before freezing it you could create a scene that looks like you thaw the blizzard of winter with the warmth of your hands revealing the spring scene!
Since most snow globes have clear globes, you don't need to worry about color matching different resin parts if you make a little structure out of resin to secure the ball of frozen oil in place. I would make a horizontal ring that was held securely in the middle of the cup then anchored to a layer in the base of the cup. A better support structure will keep the oil ball centered better allowing you to make the resin globe you turn on the lathe thinner so the coconut oil can melt faster when you hold it!
Melting the coconut oil before freezing it will help to get any air bubbles out. Maybe throw the warm coconut oil in the vacuum chamber too just to see if anything happens while you are at it. You might also be able to put the whole cast in the pressure pot to remove any air bubbles that get into it to help keep the oil cavity round. Good luck and hope this gives you an idea too!
Ben, I haven't even watched the vid yet, but I just wanted to say quickly that you're insane, and I love that you push the envelope where others don't.
This was a great learning experience. If you decide to try canola oil again, perhaps try keeping the ball of oil in an ice bath after removing it from the freezer before dropping it in the resin. Did you consider placing it on the cured base layer and then pouring the rising around it? Or there's a seaweed compound that's easy to make that was make a splash a few years ago which created an edible water bottle. It was clear. Might be something to consider.
Love your videos!!! We really enjoy the way you show working through your creative process!
Thanks Heather
You need an oil that is solid at room temp. I would try coconut oil. Also use cold tongs to handle it because the heat from your hands will melt the oil. You could also try vegetable glycerine. It will freeze and it will keep the glitter suspended like the oil.
Wow that was crazy how the oil melted so fast but I love that the oil left a weird shape. Great job maybe mineral oil is the way to go because motor oil I don't think would freeze in the freezer 🤔
I didn't know oil would freeze in a standard freezer temp so I learned something today: thanks!
Aww it kinda looked like a little rose to me. Very cool!
I am living for the experiments! So much fun even if they’re a fail
Looks like someone lost an ear
Try this:. Use your ball mold to cast a mold with silicone. Cast that mold in your resin just as you would any other silicone mold. Once cured, cut the whole thing is n half and remove the silicone pieces. Then, drill a hole in the top of the workpiece. Glue the halves back together, fill the void with oil, water, etc. then plug the hole with a resin rod. Turn your snow globe, and there you go!
good idea. you didn't fail, you just discovered another way not to do it. definitely experiment with different oils.
on a separate note i've a few ideas. 1. mercury in resin 2. magnetic ferro fluid & you could use magnets to influence the shape. i think you could do some really cool stuff with it
I think what might work is making the mold for freezing the oil in out of resin itself so you could encase the entire thing in resin oppose to trying to pop out the frozen oil and having it melt so fast plus it should look more uniform
Nice work, as always love the experiment. Maybe try packing dry ice around the ball when you put it in the freezer. 👍🙂
This wasn't a failure!!! This was actually a success. You proved that you could use the oil in the resin 💯👌🏻 now we gotta find the right oil to do this with. And tbh, why not try a mix of Water and Elmer's glue? It makes a thick, clear liquid that suspends glitter extremely well. I use it to make Glitter Jars 😁
This was a good learning experience. You can now think of other ways to try this. Plus with all the comments that share their thoughts, advice, and encouragement you will find a way to make it. Enjoyed the show. Look forward to the next one.
Thanks Kim
How about making the top half of the snowglobe first. So you have an open dome then either stick it to another dome to make a hollow ball or put it on top of an inch or 2 of resin. Then drill a small hole and syringe some water in before sealing. Ok so thats less fun than experimenting like you are but could create something cool. either way thanks for bringing us all some entertaining videos
It might help if you got an oil with a melting point just above room temperature. Depending on the temperature of your shop, coconut oil or palm kernel oil would be ideal. Those are hard to get, though, so peanut oil looks like the next best choice.
If you dont fail then you never try. I thought it was a great learning process. thank you.
Hi Ben! I finally have a suggestion. Yay! How about you measure out the amount of resin you want to use. It will be a test batch. You do this often enough hopefully this will not be a huge waste. Anyway, you can time how long it takes for the resin to be at different stages of setting. Then when you get the perfect oil you will have a timeline for when to add the icy oil ball. And thanks for the surprise episode. It makes me happy!
Have you ever tried casting Gallium in resin? Since resin heats up as it cures, I wonder if the Gallium, with a melting point of about 30 degrees C, it would likely start melting during the curing process.
Another thing that I think would be interesting, is, if it did melt but the resin still cured around it, Gallium expands when it "freezes," so it would be interesting to see if it expanded enough to crack the cured resin.
Cool, maybe try a mix of water and glycerin which is what is in snow globes.
Thank you for the bonus video! 😁
I really enjoy these experiments. They are really interesting and fun.
Have you tried making some resin blanks with half sphere holes on top? As in
Cast blanks.
Turn half sphere holes into them on the lathe.
Freeze liquids in the resin then seal the two halfs together and turn them that way?
You can can use a co2 fire extinguisher to freeze oil or grease fire it into a bucket to get dry ice ...great for shrinking bearings to drop into a hot housing, just have to refill the extinguisher afterwards..but beats trying to store dry ice for months.
That was so interesting! Thanks for sharing! I look forward to people who know oil a lot better than me giving ideas and seeing you explore more.
Hi Ben, another cool experiment. Have a good day. Take Care
Thanks Rose
When you are dealing with oil, you have to freeze it at a much lower temperature, than, than a normal freezer will reach, and you need to do it for about 24 hours; keeping it on dry ice will help keep frozen till you can put it into the resin, and because of the lower freezer temperature, it will not melt as fast. Oil will always begin to melt as soon as you take it out of a normal freezer. You may want to also put it in the vacuum to remove any air, to make it even smoother.
Two ideas. One freeze your oil ball then using tongs,drop it in liquid nitrogen before putting it in the resin. Second idea is use powder die and glitter in butter then freeze and same as above use liquid nitrogen and alcohol to super freeze before placing in resin. If it works and resin curing heat hasn't melted the oil or butter completely set them in the sunlight to let them melt. Then give them a good shake to mix. Oh I light have forgotten to say to melt the butter to add pigment and glitter before refreezing. Don't know if any of this would work but would be cool to see you attempt it anyway.😊
Water expands when it freezes because it forms a crystalline structure that is slightly less dense than liquid water. Most other liquids (I'm sure there are still a bunch that do) don't exhibit this same effect and their solid form is their most dense, so you don't have to worry about the mold exploding the same way.
If you use coconut oil it would be solid and white at room temperature but transparent and liquid if you leave it in the sun! Mixed with floating particles would look pretty awesome!
I reckon you could reduce the melting of the ball by getting it out of the mold and onto a spoon or something so you can easily lift and place it, then putting it in a pile of crushed ice to keep the temperature down while you wait. Or you could cast a "cup" out of resin, fill it with oil, freeze it, then pour fresh resin into the top of the cup to fill it up, so the bottom (becomes top when turned over and polished up) of the oil-cavity is already cured resin and you get to control the shape :-)
Like mentioned, liquid nitrogen or other cryo-freezing might be necessary for this. Oil, especially the cooking oil you used, is great for cooking because it conducts heat quickly. I'm not sure how oil and epoxy react chemically, but that oil is turning to liquid the moment it comes out of your freezer. It will leave a liquid trail as it's pushed down into the epoxy, preventing a perfect seal.
Maybe try making a resin shell by rotating a small amount of resin in your mold first, like the kind you see in those fancy chocolate sphere deserts. Then you could fill it with water or oil and seal the hole with more resin.
A fun experiment anyway, Ben. How about making a resin cast with a pocket in it like you did for the matches? You could then put the frozen oil in and pour the resin on top of it.
Bill
Thanks Bill 👍
I'd say try getting your hands on some dry ice or liquid nitrogen to keep the oil at a lower temperatures; because it's going to have a lower freezing point/higher melting point than water. My guess with it flattening is it started to melt and spread out and, probably being lighter than the resin, tried to rise to surface, but hit a ceiling of curing resin. Hence, if you used something like dry ice or liquid nitro which would get the oil colder and stay colder longer or at least long enough to get it into the resin while it cures, it might hold its shape longer.
Does the oil visible move within its little pocket inside the resin? It kind of looks like its locked in place, even though it should be fluid now.
the rubber cast you use for the water, can you coat it in uv resin and make a thin hull out of it? then fill it with oil,close the lid with uv resin, freeze it and you have a perfect round sphere which doesnt deform?
Great video as always Ben keep up the great work I loved the end product
Thanks Mate
Maybe do some research on what oils freeze the best and experiment with a few different kind. I would definitely go with a clear oil, and one that freezes better. I love the idea! You have some pretty clever subscribers. Love your work!!
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The oil in the finale may not be a sphere, but it's still quite pretty, like a splat of glitter suspended in a snow globe. I hope you do more of these oil in resin experiments, with various types of oils, and resin that doesn't heat up as it sets. I like the idea of filling a resin globe/sphere with oil, then casting it in resin.
perhaps making your own 2 part resin mould, that you can 3/4 fill each half freeze then use uv resin to glue together.
Still looks kind cool, Fails can always turn out really awesome.
I don't think you need to worry about oil expanding when it freezes. Some mold release might also help.
If you want to freeze the oil properly, you're also going to want to use much lower temperatures.
I was hopeful, but not too surprised that working with oil is proving considerably more challenging. Need to research more on the freezing points of the different oils. Here's hoping you find a better candidate in the next one.
This was fun, Ben, but you might try a heavier weight oil with something that keeps it much colder. Perhaps LN2 would work?
Even if it ended it failure, definitely a good attempt. I'd say do some more test runs with other oils, and maybe try supercooling the oil too, like some others have said.
Something you might try is next time use some uv resin to glue the sphere to the bottom solid layer before pouring so it won’t float or move while curing. It might not be very secure but hopefully enough to give you a chance to pour without having to push into it.
Pour a little bit of resin into the mould, plug the hole, then roll it around until it cures to create a membrane/shell of hard resin around the inside. Pop a hole in the top, put the oil in, freeze. This way even as it melts it should all stay together inside the eggshell you make.
Olive oil freezes at a much lower temp and if you get the triple distilled oil it will be really clear and not yellow
Fails don’t mean their not super interesting mate. Loved it!
I think if you did a resin cast with a pre sphere of air inside and had it be two parts you could quickly stick the oil ball inside and combine the two parts.
Perhaps holding it with a spoon instead of your hands because your hands transfer body heat which is assisting in the melting... if you hold it with a spoon then maybe it won't melt so fast.
It looks like a beautiful glittery pink rose!
You could have a container with ice in which you can get out and add salt too near the time when it is ready (becuase if i remember rigt, salt melts the ice but makes it colder).
Then you could put the frozen oil ball into the container (or maybe a second, smaller container in the ice container) so it will be kept cold right up to the second it's needed.
Can you try putting a layer of the resin that hardens quickly with UV light over the frozen ball of water / oil. Maybe even keep in the freezer while you put that resin on the outside of the water / oil. THEN put it in a container of resin.
I didnt think it was going to work after that first mishap, but it did make it through. What you might want to try first is start off with a smaller ball of oil and then freeze water around that before you put it in the resin then that way is should not thaw out as fast I would think. Maybe freeze the oil in one or two ice cube molds put them in the ball mold freeze it half way with water so the oil dont float to the top and then once they are frozen in place half way then put more water in to make it round.
I just had a thought Ben, if you use water and oil, you could get something to float on the oil under the water (like a duck floating on a pond made of oil) I think that would make an awesome project!!
Yeah I never get it in there as far as I'd like either. Especially if my ball is too cold. Also, failure and learning is never a failure. Science is just f*cking around while holding a clipboard.
Could you freeze it, coat it in UV resin, refereeze and then just pour it into the mold afterward? Would the UV resin hold in a thin layer like that?
Hi Ben, the only time I was able to freeze oil was using dry ice (the stuff we can use to make fog or witches brew lol) we put it into a mold, froze it using the traditional method then used the dry ice by packing it around the mold, taking it to a much lower temperature than an household freezer is capable of. We were looking at what temperature, oil crystals appear. Baby oil, Mineral oil, Sunflower oil were on the list. The lighter, more refined oils froze better. May help.. Great experiment, though my hands were covering my face when it went bum upwards lol!! (ps we did with and without mold with good gloves on burrrrr... Flipping ALevel Science..)
Love you videos, I like that your family get involved. Take care
Wow that was a fast melter! Didn’t see that coming! Amazing how you were still able to pull it off. Not the result you were after but I thought all the oil was going to leak out. I’d say it’s a half win 🤩💯💯 Definitely not a fail. Write it down for future experiments 🧫
Super cool the oil with a mixture of dry ice and rubbing alcohol.
Is it possible to let resin set while spinning on a turntable so you get a funnel shape? That way you can pour whatever "cast _____ in resin" in it we can think of. Then pour some more resin on top to cap it off.
When you do that again do it with a bigger ball so it's okay if some of that melts before it gets in the resin
Cooking oil freezes very badly, and melt extremely rapidly which you experienced here. I would recommend using glycerin instead, because that's what's commonly used in snow globes; and it has a much lower freezing temperature, around 17C.
An idea to possibly keep the sphere, well, spherical: look up "sodium alginate" and "reverse spherification" videos. It's a way to create a thin membrane around liquids, normally for fancy food effects. I wonder if that membrane would survive the cure, avoiding all the problems with ice/oil/etc melting and producing strange shapes.
A half-sphere shaped tool made of resin would push the ball down and stay there with it while it cures.. coconut oil would be cool, it's liquid at warm room temp and solid at cooler temps so it would be easier to handle and interesting to look at
Try avocado oil - the fridge alone is enough to start solidifying. Also, if you have a pal with a chest freezer (aka deep freezer) - put it in there. Those run at like, -40 (which also happens to be about where F and C, cross paths... it is also a weird temperature to live at. But, that is another story.) - and at minus 40, it will take a bit to warm up. That is a LOT of cold heat up - it may even mess with the resin setting... That would be neat to see.
i would suggest using peanut oil because it freezes at 3C as opposed to -10C for canola, so it won't melt as fast.
BEN my long lost brother! I thought those things only happened to me🤣! Waiting for the right time ... then ...bam it's gone. How about create a dome hollow it out make base with object...fill ...attach base to dome. Love your projects.
😂 Thanks Mate
Cast ball and then keep it on a block of dry ice right next to the resin so you can get the shortest trip. Or..... Freeze a ball of water and cast that, drill hole to empty water and fill with the oil/glitter filling and then fill the hole with resin? Depends on the relative weights, but might do it.
Hey Ben, what if you put a hydrophobic ball in resin, I recon it could make a layer of air on the outside so by the time it dries it makes a bell.
Try freezing the oil in dry ice as that is way lower than a fridge freezer, check out the freezing point of the oil before you start.
Maybe try coconut oil coconut oil is hard until it reaches 76°, so it would definitely freeze and stay solid longer than canola oil of course the downside is it might you know go solid again when it hits 72°...but it's worth trying.
Timing is everything, but thats a really small window to get it wright!...sweet experiment as always!...keep it up!
Coconut oil is solid at room temp