British Historian DESTROYS Emotional Race Activist with FACTS
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- In a heated "debate" on GB News, historian & broadcaster Rafe Heydel-Mankoo clashed with television personality Narinder Kaur on whether there were benefits to British colonization. Whilst many terrible wrongs were of course committed, Rafe's position is that, taken in the balance, the British Empire's legacy is far more positive than negative -- not least for women.
The debate was sparked after recent comments by former Australian Prime Minister John Howard, who said that Australia was "lucky" to have been colonized by Britain.
Is a former big brother contestant really trying to debate history with a historian??
Is that who she is?! She sounds like a fishwife 🙈🥴
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no she is crying for attention she can only get by being a victim for other people
She’s presently and in the past used her ‘pretty privilege’ so widely that she is barely conscious of what it’s given her. Okay it certainly hasn’t supplied an IQ! But you can bet your bottom dollar she has very rarely heard the word ‘no’ up until now. She’s getting older and that’s wearing off. And haven’t gotten away with a lot because of her looks now thats wearing off she’s trying to depend on IQ. She is found very very wanting!
She said they're behind in education, implying they would have been better educated if left alone
A woman sitting there in beautiful clothes (well, to my eye anyway), perfectly styled hair, professionally applied makeup and in seemingly perfect health screaming that she's not lucky. Poor thing.
Don’t forget those nails!
@@sakr-el-bahr272 Ha, ha! Good point!
Why did the former Australian Prime Minister John Howard not break it down properly and say, "The ancestors of the Aboriginal Australians were lucky to have been invaded, murdered, raped, abused and enslaved by my British Ancestors as part of the process to modernity". One can not cherry pick the good while neglecting the vile things that British colonisers did in the process of colonising Australia.
@@paultembo8488 You are right but doesnt the same thing go for Africans enslaving other Africans in those times or is it ok to only look at white people cause it fits the narrative?
@@paultembo8488They WERE lucky. Look at their culture now, after they decided to keep it. Still backward, massive crime statistics. They simply refused to learn.
I am a 73 year old Zimbabwean (formerly a Rhodesian), and so I have experienced colonialism first hand. The British pioneers marched into Zimbabwe in 1890. It was a disease-ridden, war torn, trackless waste with wholesale murder of the Mashona tribes by the Matabele. In 90 years those of British descent turned it into a virtually first world country. We had good roads, railways, schools, communications, power grids (hydro-power from Kariba Dam - the biggest dam in the world, when it was completed), government buildings, hospitals, clinics, honest judicial system, and a police force in the top three in the world. Interestingly there were almost no emigrants.
We then faced mandatory sanctions initiated by England a the US, and a civil war initiated and financed by Russia and China. This led to a Marxist government under Gabriel Mugabe, which turned the country from the Breadbasket of Africa to a Basket case in 40 years. Now, under the Marxist Freedom Fighter government, probably a third of the population has fled the country.
Form your own conclusions.
Exactly!! She is too foolish to understand this. She only focuses on her nails and hair and wants to bleat. Im a zimbabwean so have also seen what has and what is now. She cant see the wider picture.
ITS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FOR DIFFERENT COLONIES. YOU CANT LUMP ALL BRITISH COLONIES IN THE SAME MANNERS. BECAUSE SOME OTHER BRITISH COLONIES WAS BETTER BEFORE THE BRITISH CAME AND SOME DID BETTER AFTER BRITISH CAME.
@wewenang5167 there's another hysterical one.. chill on the caps. Experiences may differ, but the benefits were the same for these 3rd world countries.
wailing banshee zero intelligence
@@peterrostron1278 you putting your resume out there?
If Britain is such a wicked place , Why is she here ?
Because hypocrites always pull the same BS whether they live in Canada, the USA, Australia or the UK.
Deport that crazy ????
needs her hair bleached here.
Exactly!!
I really never understood that about people echoing the same sentiments in America. If it's such a horrible, racist place, why are so many people trying so hard to come here. Whether it be legally or not.
On one hand we have an historian and on the other hand we have an emotionally unbalanced race grifter with close to zero intellectual value. Can we please stop having someone like Narinder Kaur be part of discussions that she clearly isn't capable of having?
I totally agree. I imagine that the show's producers aim for a balance of opinions but this spoilt, pampered woman (who identifies as Indian but remains in Britain) seems incapable of reasoned argument. There is no need for "Jerry Springer" hysteria on a news programme.
TheWorldofMomus, a historian talking HIS-STORY, but What ABOUT the half that has not been told,(mystery),.😮😢,,.
Her IQ and shoe size are the same number
I suppose when the facts are on the other side it's hard to find someone balamced to refute them. It takes a special kind of person to dismiss any evidence and lie and exaggerate on TV. As is usually the case her outrage comes out of a sense of wounded pride, her moral outrsge won't extend to non-white people acting badly in history.
@@divyamalhotra9679what a strange opinion , no future? What do you think is going to happen? If , as you imply the place is going to the dogs I presume that you and people of like mind are already making plans to up sticks and toddle off to your chosen utopia. Britain has survived quite well for centuries and whatever spews out of your brain cell will survive and prosper. The constant sniveling about England and it's history is as tiresome as it is off beam, we are constantly told to apologize for our past , but, were are the demands for the same from all other states who behaved in like manner ? One clown on this site implied that England alone started slavery , such idiocy , people like that should not be walking amongst us , slavery is thousands of years old and still exists to this day, even the sainted Irish indulged in its practice , why this brain dead women is given air time is beyond comprehension, it is a wonder that she is not on the stage as a comedian she would get a barrel of laughs.
"YOU SOUND MAD, RAFE!!!" , says the lady screaming at the calm, polite gentleman at the other end of the table.
Was looking for the exact comment 👌🏽
😂😂😂😂
Thats lefty logic 101 - Be as aggressive, obnoxious and intolerant as possible, then accuse your opponent of being all those things and attempt to make yourself the victim. She's got that technique down to a T. Good job too because she didn't have a single solid fact up her sleeve.
Fully agree, except for one thing - she is no lady.
This "polite" gentleman is interrupting her all the time.
Him: Historical
Her: Hysterical
😂
Good one, also:
Him: Historical
Her: Hypocritical
were did it come from ???????
You: an idiot who can’t look at arguments!
Every word she said was true. He was just a book licker.
If her ancestors were murdered, how did she get here?
Because you are a fool. Maybe her ancestors died after giving birth.
Let me guess. They were extremely lucky to birth her before they perished. And about as lucky to perish before they could see what has become of their beautiful baby girl.
One is calm, educated and collected. The other is a raving mad woman.
Another is a woman
All she had for a rebuttal was a word salad laden with woke buzz words meant to trigger peoples emotions.
and a ponce living here ? Britain is bad ? oh ill live here and take the money
That’s not an accident by GB News. They know exactly how she comes across which is why she’s invited on. I’d they had someone calm and composed they’d take the chubby fella apart on some of these issues.
That time of the month. Women be cra-cra...
It’s totally irresponsible to have a person like her on TV…very dangerous
@@TroisKayas Also Virology, economics, geopolitics, etc...
@@TroisKayasshe’s certainly bothering me ..
We have only ourselves to blame for watching her. That's seven minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
She sounds someone who loves swimming in the victimhood mentality pool. 😂
Not dangerous, just stupid.
This woman is an example of what happens when you speak on emotions and not facts.
Lol she's an emotional idiot
She sounds like a lunatic. According to her, colonization was genocidal but look where she's LIVING......thank you very much.
To claim that she is capable of speech seems generous.
Typisch das solche Leute sich immer in die opferolle stellen, wo wären die Länder die kolonisiert wurden, sonst in ihrer Entwicklung?
Actually, that woman just happens.
As an indigenous person of Australia, I completely agree with John Howard's words - that colonisation as the 'luckiest thing to have happened to his country'.
❤🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Could've been the French...
@@leecoates3674😂😂? that would have been bad
By shouting and butting in and not allowing others to speak doesn’t mean you are right.
All she ever does is shout at and over people. Wish they’d stop giving her a slot on TV programmes. Such an ignorant rude person.
The whole colonization issue or debate should be segmented into time periods and each time period analysed separately. To just jump to the conclusion that colonization was a benefit to the Colonized people is disrespectful to the victim. When Britain initially invested or ploughed back financial resources into the Colonies, was it for the benefit of the indigenous population or it was an endeavor by the UK to give its agents a good standard of living comparable to the UK while serving UK interests in plundering the new found lands. At some point, the UK presided over the largest human trafficking and exploitation, murders, rapes and all kinds of vile acts across all its colonies and more than any other European nation ever did. During that phase of colonization, can we say that colonization was of great benefit to the Colonies and the victims.
A different model or implementation would have been better than this one which was fueled by greed and the desire to domineer over other people. A more collaboratory approach would have yielded better results than the Colonization project.
That woman is horrendous.
EVEN if she is right, her constant efforts to shut this guy from talking just makes it look like she’s afraid of his arguments.
Even worse, she’ll come away from this thinking she was winning!
Just horrendous.
She is not right and she knows it, that is why she has to keep shouting him down and gibbering nonsense.
Her grasp of the English language is also questionable!!!!
Very few leftists are open minded. They shout you down, and won't let you speak unless you agree with them.
@@suzanne386 She is not right and she doesn't know it. That's what they all do when confronted with facts they know nothing about. Screaming loud and often enough makes it the truth.
She isn’t right. She’s a sheep.
I've seen this woman enough times now that my brain just switches off when she opens her mouth as nothing of any real value or substance comes out. She's way too emotional and relies on feelings rather than facts.
She beat you to it when turning the brain off.
Remember O;Brien in 1984? He basically explained that the new reality was subjective not objective, saying " I could float in the air if i wished to, I don''t because I don't wish to". Orwell foresaw the future where everyone's "truth" is as valid as anyone else's. His remedy was this; " Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two equals four; if this is granted all else follows". Read 1984 people before they ban it.
Agreed. That wig of hers makes her look like a scarecrow too lol
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 100 points for you :D@@mrnumbskull2048
Yes.. empty cans make the most noise you see. ;-)
The fact that she was ever given a spot on a national TV show is the most insane part.
Purely for shock value. The same thing as bread and circus in ancient rome. He's the bread, and her the circus.
Traditional media is failing, miserably, by every measure. Their last hope for survival is to become suppliers of trash and controversy.
GB News have lost some brilliant broadcasters since its inception. Andrew Neil, Mark Steyn and Dan Wootton. I find I watch less and less GB News and this is because the Broadcasters seem to have no control over their panellists, allowing them to scream over each other.
Exactly.
That's the point these shows are about ratings, drama equals ratings. She is a nobody. This is a wind up
She acted like a child throwing a tantrum.🥴
Yeah, good statement she does sound like a child.
She does it regularly 🙄
Does every time why have her on. I switch off when she appears. I would not want this woman speaking for me as she would destroy any argument with her ensnared bias anti British restricted brain power. GBnews you need to reflect on type of people allowed on ore you will go off air via viewers switching off more & more. A great shame
@@BaxterThewall, She gets paid for it.
I’ve heard this racist woman speak sorry rant a few times now as with a lot of racists the facts are absent and the accusations without basis. Do GBNews allow this racist to spout bile for sensationalism.
She tries to shut down a debate by constantly talking over other people. She does not want to hear anything other than her bigoted opinion.
Its called Femsplaining.
Do you even know, what the word " bigot" mean?
@@urmitpatel5058 Do you?
She didnt interrupt him once when he first spoken but the minute it was her turn to speak he constantly interrupted and spoke over her. Re-watch it from the start.
@@sharonb6751He started to speak when she said I do not know where you get your information from so he told here from history books.
The reason she did not interrupt him first as she could not deny the facts and had no facts of here own all the way through her rants.
He hands down abliterated her.😂😂
She has a beautiful yellow coat and a completely foolish ignorance of truth. God bless you Rafe for being patient enough to speak truth to such as her.
She is just willfully masking and distorting numbers to her benefit , trying to build support for a future bid to get reparation $ from the "oppressors". Then venture a guess how she will handle the $ LOL.
Yeah a canary on steroids spouting empty words and plenty of hot air sadly?
If he argued in her style he'd be censored for being aggressive simply for being a man.
People who scream their point of view make it clear that their opinions are emotion based, not fact based.
She'd be OK in a different screaming context: pbs.twimg.com/media/Er7tKPaXcAUl8uA.jpg
She talks over everyone everytime she’s on.
NOW THAT'S A FACT!!!!!
Try convincing most women and liberals of that.
Schrödinger's feminism: a woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered, until something happens. Then she chooses which state benefits her the most...
If she hates the UK so much why is she living here?
That question really answers itself I think.
Send her to Afghanistan
She can get some great nail varnish here,
So she can shit on a doorstep that's not hers
Deport
He was factual and she was emotional. She got slayed. Let the past go and let’s move forward.
SHES AN IMBECILE throwing around words she clearly doesn’t know the meaning of.. GENOCIDE.. THEN WHY ARE THERE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA NOW CLAIMING TO BE VICTIMS.. if there was a total genocide we would not be dealing with this victimhood mentality now.. and I employ 6 indigenous people and they all hate the victimhood narrative and get preferential treatment from the government.. but it’s the few morons who want to exploit the narrative.. and some make MILLIONS LIKE A DUDE CALLED PEARSON WHO CREATES INDIGENOUS ORGANISATIONS AND RIPS THEM OFF AND CANT BE QUESTIONED BECAUSE HE CLAIMS ITS RACIST..
Yes couldn't agree more what's the point of being bitter about what happened centuries ago, I always say show show me a person who comes from a country with a perfect history, and I will show you a fool and a liar
When arguing with a woman stay in the logical lane and you’ll win. Get emotional, they win.
@@kardo_6627 No my friend. When arguing with a woman, regardless of what we say or do, we always lose...........
she was neurotic. woman are more prone to neuroticism. thats why the man was face palming the entire time and why the only people who side with her are neurotic woman- and soyboys.
I am very upset with Britain because they came to Uruguay and try to colonize in 1806. The reason of my anger , is because the bloody left after 2 years !!!!!
Your players did well against Scotland (at rugby yesterday.) Keep it up.
She just can't stop talking. That's how she defines winning an argument. Exhausting to watch. Imagine living with her.
Can I take the poison instead?
@@thefurrybastard1964 we will take it for you!
@@roseanneroseannadanna9651 *_NO! IT'S MINE!_*
The whole colonization issue or debate should be segmented into time periods and each time period analysed separately. To just jump to the conclusion that colonization was a benefit to the Colonized people is disrespectful to the victim. When Britain initially invested or ploughed back financial resources into the Colonies, was it for the benefit of the indigenous population or it was an endeavor by the UK to give its agents a good standard of living comparable to the UK while serving UK interests in plundering the new found lands. At some point, the UK presided over the largest human trafficking and exploitation, murders, rapes and all kinds of vile acts across all its colonies and more than any other European nation ever did. During that phase of colonization, can we say that colonization was of great benefit to the Colonies and the victims.
A different model or implementation would have been better than this one which was fueled by greed and the desire to domineer over other people. A more collaboratory approach would have yielded better results than the Colonization project.
If I went insane enough to live with her I wouldn't for long.
I'd jump out a window
That lady is a grifter. She complains about colonization while pocketing the money she makes off of criticizing it. I don't see her handing over her income to the "victims".
because there are zero victims
She not only got dismantled with facts she destroyed her own argument by not providing any.
Great response
World population in 1900 was 1.6 billion. Is she actually believes the british empire killed hundred of millions of people? 😂
She comes across as manic & unable to control her emotions. Silly woman.
The Aborigines would not exist today if not for the Brits, thr Japanese would have finished them off, the Japanese only became civilised after the brits and the USA kicked their ass
Those Harry Enfield comedy sketches are satirical, poppet.
Grow up, eh?
IndigoDisco, History can be a very EMOTIONAL SUBJECT,,,.
@@tneita3166On behalf of others. Ha
Meanwhile, race-grifting IS lucrative. And she is laughing all the way to the bank...
And historically illiterate.
It’s nauseating to see people who have it made looking down on the heroes who made their lifestyle possible. The exaggerated claims she is making of 100s of millions being murdered and calling it a genocide is off the charts ridiculous.
You need to do some research, my friend, the figure of 100M isn't far off, but probably more.
@@Tallyskoolyou are standing on the backs of giants but you think that you are flying
…True Dat… A Great Dinesh D’Sousa quote…
@@TallyskoolYou may find that this figure or more applies to the Stalinist massacres.
@@Tallyskoolit's lies it was 400m in 1947
It increased to 1 .4 b today
Plus add in the English schools built all over south Asia
"Read history books you should try once in awhile..." spot on, she's a dolt!
Then she replied: " history books are not facts"!😂😂😂
My great grandmother was abused by my great grandfather. I never met either of them, but clearly I deal with and suffer generational trauma.
That’s the way I’m supposed to act and feel, right?
And this is why I don't look to former Big Brother contestants for advice on social issues.
If she hates the British so much why doesn’t she leave.
You mean go somewhere that won't remind her of England? Maybe she could go to Victoria in New South Wales, er... or Victoria British Columbia....errrrr... or maybe Brighton in Barbados....hmmmm.... or Wembley in Alberta.
Ok, maybe not.
London, Ontario?
😆
Well yes, anywhere that is not Great Britain.
She could return to India and live amongst her own people and benefit from the democracy, healthcare, education, industry, transport system the British gave India during the Empire period. She is a grifting hypocrite. @@paulmurgatroyd6372
agreed she should leave. plenty of us are grateful for the opportunity to live in britain
Honestly she's an example of setting back the quality of women debating in public by decades. Flying off the handle, emotionally shrill, sound-bites and rude and stupid. It's not acceptable behaviour to shout and screech. Talk sensibly and calmly...
Feeling strong emotions is no argument.
Love your quote at bottom! Do u know who said it? Or did you hear it constantly? Brilliant!
Well said.
I won’t be calm too if someone says colonisation was good, there is nothing good about colonisation, why British fought Italians if colonisation was good.
@@Jay-rd3hn Then you'd be silly with such an attitude wouldn't you, and be given a lollipop to go off and play with the kids and let the adults talk in a mature and sensible manner.
@@Jay-rd3hnAre you this woman? Did you just sit there with your fingers in yours ears going LALALALALA everytime he talked? Just gonna use your emotions like the girl we are criticising instead of listening to facts?
Grow up.
As a Greek whenever I hear people bashing England about their colonial past and then look at me ,waiting to add something negative, I tell them
'Listen, my only beef with England is that they didn't colonise Greece ' 🤷
😂😂👌👌👌
@@DipakBose-bq1vv First off England is the reason we do not speak German in Greece. Churchill was the one that stepped foot against Hitler in the first place. So saying that the English helped Nazis is your brains short circuit.And lastly English didn't owe us to help us again with Cyprus. Losing their men whilst surveilling significant territorial concessions in Asia Minor on the first world war and then again surveilling our seas in the second world war was enough.
@@erine.5680you have to realize dipakbose defines nazis as "people they disagree with." They absolutely support current nazis in ukraine, and were probably clapping alongside Canada's parliament in their recent standing ovation for a former SS officer who fought alongside hitler's nazi's as "one of the good guys." They're an indoctrinated loon who can't handle reality.
@@DipakBose-bq1vvI thought that was NATO decision Italy are far closer. I don’t think there’s room for yours and her placebo intellect. Englishphobia?
Indeed they gave you or at least they help a lot to get your independence and then they do get to help you as a protected country so they didn’t colonize you but sort of for a period of time
Economic history graduate here. Notwithstanding that woman's unhinged screeching, the British Empire really was a force for good. It's "free trade" model lifted more people out of poverty in the Empire than countries not colonised by Britain. In Africa despite the myths, there was a nett flow into African counties developing the infrastructure, which is why London, broke after WWII, could not make them independent fast enough in the 1960s. In a recent IMF paper discussing Haiti and the reasons for its collapse, research into poverty was cited where BRITISH COLONISATION was the only outlier (not contributing to a country's problems). French colonisation and adopting socialism on the other hand .... Be PROUD of your British heritage, it was a force for good.
It's never a good look when you feel the need to shout over other people. She's not even aware of her own privileged life today because of the British whom she seems to despise so strongly.
If I felt so strongly about the british ". I'd move back to my ancestral home immediately.
I too would be gone. Military recruits will occasionally get issues when they head into town where I live from non natives due to British foreign policies. They do not have the courage of their convictions.
Rafe took this dreadful race baiting woman apart with facts and logic, well done
She wouldn’t do that she has it far too good in this country, we don’t treat women like surfs, and we don’t stone or behead them in this country, unlike other countries where women are still classed as second class citizens!!
You seem to be so-triggered.
When do you leave?
@robertcottam8824 who are you replying to? Because this guys comment is showing he is far from triggered and is agreeing with the historian not the woman
As an obviously affluent Indian woman or woman of Indian heritage with this platform I think the irony here is probably going over her head.
THIS!!!!
Self awareness is not a value encouraged in the loony Left race baiting grifter grievance, victimhood industry. Ignorance and bitterness essential to their cause.
Like most things
Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists."
Definitely a situation where good breeding and education would have helped.
Narinder says she is British but hates us something doesn’t add up
British by birth but hates the nature of colonialism.
Maybe she should then return to her country of origin. Why does she not? Her name, after all, is Narinder KAUR!!
@@Cantonment-se1ec she says she is British but like most individuals who are educated hate the act of colonisation.
@maxwellboyne2770
I’m surprised that one as learned as you is familiar with Big Brother and ‘Z list IndIan movies’ (sic).
You appear to be a real polymath, poppet! 😂😂
why doesn't she just leave England if she feels this way.
I think Rafe is so cool. I love everything about his demeanor. A very smart man, and very good at handling people like her. 😎
A Macaulay student brown in colour but white in taste, manners and intellect like some Africans.
All you need to do is look at this woman. Clearly she has embraced western culture and has done so with great enthusiasm.
Yes, but she also complained about not being in India . . . and here I thought planes could alleviate that pain. She could migrate back.
@@amssydsing3475 She would be repulsed by so man shltholes, so many flies, so much filth
@@amssydsing3475 She could migrate back and throw herself on the funeral pyre.
the bigger question is how people of her intelligence end up with positions of power and influence. vile
@@amssydsing3475 If she did, she would do the old visiting the Taj Mahal, Mysore Palace etc in a bus with a group of Anglo-Saxons and would only speak English at the reception.
She keeps on talking over people, because she is in the wrong.
She is not rational. Her behavior is uncalled for.
Many people don't appreciate that if it wasn't for the British a number of tribes in South Africa wouldn't exist today. When she speaks about 'genocide' that is what the Zulu were practicing in Natal as they moved south, wholesale slaughter of tribes effectively wiping the identity off the face of Africa. The British, in their clashes with Shaka's Zulu warriors, effectively stopped that. A women of the Fingo tribe living in the Eastern Cape once said that if they had not stopped them, her tribe, and hence her, would no longer exist.
The same happened in New Zealand where maori tribes were constantly fighting each other with cannibalism and slavery a common theme, by signing an Agreement with the British Crown, Treaty of Waitangi, this was stopped and the genocide that was the eradication of the moriori tribe by maori was not repeated.
Two small but significant examples of the benefits of English colonialism. It should be noted the the greatest genocides have always been perpetrated by rules on their own people, generally in the name of communism, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao and the Ukranian Holodomour to name a few.
Edit:- It is also worth noting that the esteemed economist, Dr Thomas Sowell, said that it cost England more to keep the colonies than what England derived in economic benefits, the huge investments in infrastructure and technlogy transfers were incredible, not to mention that it was the British that stopped the slave trade, an action that nearly bankrupted the country due to the compensation payments that were made along with the military actions with the navy preventing the shipment of slaves.
Thanks for that observation. and mentioning thomas Sowell who is also a historian worth reading
@@janebennett8097 He's basically an economist but he has thoroughly researched history to write his excellent books.
Not only do we need to stop apologising, we need to stop allowing ourselves to be colonised as some perverse form of reparations.
It'll take force to fix that.
............ NO SURRENDER .
We tell the peoples of countries we colonise that they are now subjects of the British Empire.Many of them fought and died for the King and Queen in two world wars and since.Then we are shocked and dismayed when they turn to us for support.We bring them to this country to work in jobs Brits won’t do and then systematically deny them their rights.That’s Great Britain for you.
@markdavies9054 turn on us more like.
@@markdavies9054what rights are immigrants denied?
"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain.
Luckily the historian knew his shit and remained calm. What a crazy woman. She must be lonely…
Why was she even called to debate😂 yapping
Britain never needed to apologise for its past, it’s the countries who believe we should be apologising that needs to take a long hard look at themselves
You can never look ahead when you fetishize suffering you never experienced...
One can never look ahead if you do not accept the past. Fetishise or not.
There was no debate or discussion.
There was calm dude expressing verifiable historical information and a hysterical woman who just kept saying "you're wrong".
What a fun world we live in.
Wouldn't exist without the niceties and luxuries created through British Colonialism..... (and I'm not even British!)
Hehehe, the British never benefited anyone they colonialzed that's a straight fact
EXACTLY! You just echoed my exact thoughts- I hate it! No one talks anymore! All we have is a neurotic woman screaming her opinion at a man, refusing to listen because he is challenging her narrative. You can't just deny something without any evidence. "no thats not a fact!" says who? you? perhaps when you aren't wearing 50 layers of foundation- 2 sets of eye lashes and you can handle a basic conversation we can discuss what is or isn't facts lady.
The media is a circus just allowing this nonsense. they should NEVER humor this. it should have been immediately paused. they never have a moderator. the news anchor should have immediately stopped her and went, "you need to be calm and respectful- or else we're going to ask you to leave and we will simply talk to him and hear his side- understand?"
THAT would have immediatley shut her up- she would have MAGICALLY found a sense of respect and dignity. guaranteed. if we dont enforce standards- they dont exist. the news is guilty on this one.
@@CircmcisionIsChi1dAbus3 This is the problem with this generation, focus on what she's saying, not how she's saying it. Because everything she's saying is true. Just because you are a historian doesn't mean everything you say is a fact.
@@martypatrick1547 You don't seem to understand that how you present yourself is a reflection of your views and beliefs.
If I were to walk by a homeless man who is frantically screaming into the sky- talking to voices- swatting the air at the demons. Do you think I'm going to invite him over to my house to have a sophisticated adult conversation? You think I should take your advise? "just listen to their words- which by the way- were extremely flawed and riddled with emotional neuroticism impeding her better judgment...
You think I should ignore the personality of the speaker who is showing me just how incapapable they are at handling a challenge their views and opinions?
because you can scream "its a fact" until you're blue in the face- no amount of screaming like a neurotic basket case will convince anyone. That's why, on average, the more you KNOW a subject- the more calm and composed you are. because nothing someone else says is going to surprise you- and nothing they say is going to be a struggle to retort.
So when a neurotic woman like this has a massive audience- and she screams like a banshee, that isn't expressing passion or conviction, it's expressing: this person is incapable of respect, dignity, composure and the views and beliefs she has become associated with that lack of dignity, respect and composure...so what impression does that leave?
That leaves the impression that people who hold these beliefs are neurotic woman who are incapable of calmly expressing their views and opinions without devolving into disrespectful childish yelling matches.
You wanna declare "truth" you already lost the plot. No one stands up on stage and declares "I have the truth" without a massive amount of narcissistic self absorption and self delusion. The type of arrogance that you would expect from a teenager, not a grown adult.
this is why woman don't dominate STEM fields by the way- the struggle to detach emotions which is the foundations of those fields.
@@martypatrick1547read about the industrial revolution inventions
As a Singaporean I totally agree. Thanks to the British for setting up ports, infrastructures, juridical system, public housing.
Also thank you so much british empire who looting whole India and Africa
The British was very unjust against the South African people. They bribed our black population and started the race hate so they could gain access to our gold and diamonds. Even with the atrocities in the concentration camps we accept their legacy. Never forgot it. But got on with our lives. Using what they have left on. Never destroying their flags and statues. Our black population that fought on the British sides now see everyone before them as hate speech.
May be you songaporean, but not indians beacause we had our own port thruogh which they entered,own judicial system,and tradong system .and even far better education system
@@surekhassunkad2146 And a tradition of burning widows alive, you miss that too?
@@surekhassunkad2146 I don't very much it was better than the English common law. Its used globally today, including India.
It is amusing, at the end Narinder says that because of colonisation she now lives in a racist country (UK) instead of back home in India. Rafe says "India is one of the 5 most racist countries" and Narinder says "that has got nothing to do with colonisation" - sort of making Rafe's point for him.
She lost the argument when she said 100's of millions, lost credit for everything said after that.
I don't think she knows the difference between "Colonialism" and "Communism", they both start with the letter "c" and end in "ism" so they must be the same thing right?
@@clarkdavison40 She harms her case by saying "100s of millions", but whatever benefits colonisation brought to the colonies (as well as to the colonisers - we didn't do it out of the kindness of our hearts, after all!) a few million people DID actually die in the process, and the legacy had significant downsides too. And who's to say that India, for example, wouldn't have peacefully asked for railways anyway? Hard to know for sure. We need to look at both sides, and there are plenty of reputable, calm historians who can explain the negative side. Kaur is not the right man for the job 🙂
@@PeterOzanne "Kaur is not the right man for the job" well that depends on what his job is or was in the context of the televised discussion. His role was to represent his views that the British have plenty to be proud of when it comes to it's colonial past.
I would much prefer to hear a reasoned argument against that from somebody who was just as knowledgeable about historical events but did not agree with Kaur. Instead we get a highly emotional, shrieking, angry woman who seems to hate Britain and the British.
To hear an "expert" challenged by someone of equal or superior intellect is a great thing. Even better when both have to challenge their ideas and preconceptions. This was not that.
the funny thing is at the time there where just like a billion people if not less on the planet and she wanna say that england killed 10% of the human kind hahahaha Hitler would look real good next too queen victoria if that where true but we all know its just bs
@@clarkdavison40 Sorry Clark, I should have put quotes around "man" - it was a silly joke from my "gender critical" side (I think!). I totally agree with you - she was useless. He needed someone to challenge, calmly, his view that colonisation was all good; at least, he certainly, like many other "patriotic" people, seems to rather underplay the many misdeeds that did happen, just as she is also very one-sided. She was the wrong person for the job 🙂
Every time Kaur is invited onto a show she just shouts and become hysterical ,why give her the platform to spout lies and hate.
It can only be for comedy value, she doesn't have any facts, figures or reasoned arguments ... please stop using her it's just cringe making. Surely an intelligent man like Rafe is deserving of a person of similar intelligence to debate with?
The whole colonization issue or debate should be segmented into time periods and each time period analysed separately. To just jump to the conclusion that colonization was a benefit to the Colonized people is disrespectful to the victim. When Britain initially invested or ploughed back financial resources into the Colonies, was it for the benefit of the indigenous population or it was an endeavor by the UK to give its agents a good standard of living comparable to the UK while serving UK interests in plundering the new found lands. At some point, the UK presided over the largest human trafficking and exploitation, murders, rapes and all kinds of vile acts across all its colonies and more than any other European nation ever did. During that phase of colonization, can we say that colonization was of great benefit to the Colonies and the victims.
A different model or implementation would have been better than this one which was fueled by greed and the desire to domineer over other people. A more collaboratory approach would have yielded better results than the Colonization project.
Because she yells and gets hysterical. And because she is so ignorant it is almost funny. But they need to stop pandering to the drama and take her pulpit away. What a narcissist idiot she is.
She actually does damage to any rational arguments that could be put forward. I wouldn’t want her arguing my case for me 😂
she was showing the freedom that the western world gave her. If india was not colonized with some western value she would not be where she is today and she will likely have been burnth or killed the moment she spoke like that to any man in india... still happens today in india and happened more often before the british got there
She has no rational arguments!
Hum. Not lawyer material.
As an Irishman I certainly have my quarrels with the British empire but this woman just comes across as moronic and ill informed her idea of a rational discussion is flailing her arms around and acting like a child. I doubt anyone even people who are the descendants of those effected by colonialism would ever be on her side in an argument as they would be stupid by association
yeah I mean that's why GB News brought her on
Her emotion gets the better of her argument. He is right.
I have a headache after listening to this woman. $500 hair , $300 nails, $1000 outfit, screaming at everyone on a public forum that she is somehow opressed by the people who gave her everything including the freedom to yell and scream at everyone. Bloody hell.....
She's despicable
Those with empty minds speak in high volume.
I wonder if they’ll ever realise that shouting doesn’t make them right 🤔
@@AM-ec9opWisdom chases people like her, and she is fleet of foot.
I highly doubt it.
You would almost say that the old Indian tribe understood how to deal with her. 🤭
“Im not lucky, I could be back home” - Nothing is stopping you my dear.
I’m sure she’ll fit in fine with the vapid Mumbai Bollywood crowd. Since so much of India speak English she’ll fit right in. lol
@@MandySam13She will fit in with the still-existing castless
she's not lucky, she's loooky
Well said Rafe. And the emotional woman did an outstanding job of demonstrating the inferiority of her argument.
This woman is brought on for her stupidity and to create a false argument for viewers to get annoyed with. She is being used as a fool for the programme. Eamonn you should be ashamed of this clown act you are going along with.
just call her what she is- neurotic. "emotional" is far too generic. emotional is respectful- emotional is passionate. Neurotic is the right word to describe someone who's only default state of being is negatively expressing an opinion.
She had an argument?
As an Indian, i agree completely! The British were a blessing in disguise.❤
Shouty versus reasoned argument. That’s a very hard choice to make.
Lovely comment!
Imagine accusing one of the most prominent and respected historians of modern times of "not knowing his facts".
The most serious problem of our time: Feelings are more important than facts.
I've suffered all my life due to WW2 shouldn't we sue the current German government?
He uses history to move us forward, She uses the past, cherry picks, and uses it to make a living.
It's difficult to decide if she's plain lying or just delusional.
She sounds Welsh. That’s enough for me
@@myaphextwin807 west midlands, I thought? Clearly bonkers whatever the accent :)
Both!
She is an activist supported by taxpayers through a non-profit
It is clear this woman does not know how to start a proper argument. She is just screaming to get her point across. Even if she were to be right, I wouldn't care because she is so damn annoying.
Narinder's bile and hate must be rotting her from the inside.... Poor woman.
i think its just her eyelashes on crooked- she needs to fix them- they're throwing off her cell signal- its not able to get to her brain.
"Hate leads to suffering" - Master Yoda
@@stevenjericho the more you hate the less you understand.
@@CircmcisionIsChi1dAbus3 That's funny coming from you.
@@stevenjericho and who am I? Imagine thinking you know a complete stranger lol
Definitely the type of genius to be quoting Yoda. Failing to engage a basic conversation without getting defensive like a child.
Let me guess, you're cut lol the emotional neuroticism usually comes out pretty fast when insecure cut boys see my name.
As an Australian who has a lot of respect for our indigenous folk, I often wonder how well off they would have been had the Spanish or Chinese landed instead of the English. It would have been a complete annihilation. It was going to happen to this continent at some stage - thank the good Lord it was the Brits. I fully support John Howard's position on the matter.
There were so many indigenous people who were wiped out by the Spanish empire wherever they went, whereas the British empire saw the indigenous people as useful in quite a few ways, and while not always treated good by them they didn't commit complete genocide like the Spanish did with the Incas and the Aztecs. If the British Empire wasn't as successful as it was then who knows what would have happened to all the other native peoples of all the places they colonized if the Spanish were the ones to take control instead.
Damn right
I'm South American and wish the Brits would have colonised us instead of the Spanish for sure we would all be better off
@@reecespoon2432 Very kind of you to say! I'll bet your [sic] the smartest in the room at your local Mensa too!
@@webtexonet9009 And your point is...??
Rafe Heydel-Mankoo- "Your ancestors are my ancestors. We're both Sikh." She had no idea.
Repeating the same emotional statement over and over without backing it up on a factual basis is not a rational argument .
hindu women have right to remarry in hindu scriptures. the british lie too much
But if you increase your volume, it means you're winning....
She said her ancestors were murdered. So how is she alive today if they were murdered? 😂🤷...
🤔
I assume she meant after they procreated. She' still fricking nuts though.
Maybe those ancestors not in the direct lineage…are you usually this thick???
She's clearly emotionally charged and resentful that her people were dominated by a different race. She doesn't want to recognize women's rights improved hugely in India because of the British.
👍
He's 100% correct in everything he says, very educated man
This woman is a nut. The average Aboriginal lifespan in Australia is 71.9 years for males and 75.6 years for females. That's 8 years less than the average - NOT 8 years less than white people. Australians with lower education don't live as long as Australians with high education, regardless of race and lots of other discrepancies, so it's not as if every other Australian lives to the average lifespan. The leading cause of death for Aboriginals is lung cancer because about 60% smoke, compared to the national average of 15%. She's correct about an aboriginal male being more likely to go to jail than university, but you can paraphrase that to they're more likely to commit a jailable offence than go to University. Less than 50% finish high school despite all kinds of programs to try to keep them in school. The Government has tried all kinds of things to keep them at school and into University. In the end, it is the indivual's responsibility to make the best choice for themselves. Set them back hundreds of years??? How do you do that? They were stoneage.
People are throwing the word "genocide" around very gratuitously without knowing its correct meaning.
Indeed. I wonder how Jews, Armenians, Kurds, Tutsis, and other groups who have actually experienced genocide feel about the term being trivialized and reduced to the latest fashionable buzzword? 🤔
Millions support this woman's deranged reality proof ravings. I've argued with some of them myself. Debate is totally pointless.
Agreed.
Willful ignorance as a personality trait doesn't appear to extend past about 30% of the population.. shockingly, a similar percentage vote for leftist politicians (in the US that % is also around 30%). The trick in politics is not convincing the leftists.. as you said they will NEVER be convinced. It is the 70% that has to be reached.
You can't rationalize with irrational people.
@@boydw1
…whereas you can’t spell ‘rationalise’. Ironic, don’t you think?
@@robertcottam8824
Rationalise/rationalize -
Both legitimate spellings darling,sweetheart
@@hamishanderson6738
Only one is correct in the UK.
Whatever you do, don’t put a ‘z’ in rationalise if you are selected to take a G.C.S.E. English exam.
That eventuality may seem daunting. Stick at, poppet! You never know…
Her voice grates,imagine having to listen to her all day,day in day out.
imagine being married to it ?
I'd rather not , thanks.
Hundreds of millions? She’s insane.
As an Australian, thank you Britannia.
100%
Nice one mate
You are not aboriginal then.. you are son of colonisers
@@vuk1419yes I am w was born in this country just because im not dark skinned doesn't mean im Aboriginal. And to theses radicals who think we are still a colony. We have been a nation since 1901.
@vuk1419 Dude, aboriginals have a very privileged existence in Australia. I wish I was one
Just as the host says: When you get that upset you automatically loose the discussion. You come out as unbalanced and led by your emotions.
When the only way you can win an argument is by drowning out the other person, you've already lost.
As far as Narinder goes, I don't understand why she hasn't gone back to India to live, in a village somewhere?
She’s starts at hysterical then ramps up. She is a professional victim.
As someone who was born in Cyprus but grew up in New Zealand, I agree with the guy. There are many more horrid colonisers to have had than the British Empire.
They did take riches from the colonised countries but that's just what was done. We can't expect today's UK citizens to be responsible for reparation or apology.
Let it go and move on.
Cyprus got partially occupied by Turkey. No one even talks about that. Only Palestine counts.
My wife is from Pireaus, 400 years of brutal occupation, but Turkey isn't The West, so who cares.
So yes, there have been many horrible empires.
Narinda should be reminded that Australia including many indigenous Australian volunteered to fight and die for the Empire. Until about 1973 Australian citizens considered themselves to be British. Narinda should stop reading activist propaganda and do a bit of on the ground research before ranting.
@@bosunmate7301 Australians may have been legally 'British Subjects' until then but they haven't considered themselves British since Federation. Our ties with Britain though are evident through our whole system of government, law and education. Long may they remain. The problem with indigenous people asking for reparations for historic wrongdoings is that who should pay. In the case of Australia, our population is so multicultural with around 2 out of 3 Australians being either migrants or children of migrants. A lot of these migrants come from countries other than Britain and many from ex colonies. Why should they, as taxpayers, be liable to pay for the acts of the former British Empire? . Who should they pay it to? There is no one alive that suffered directly from colonisation and in fact what the learned gentleman above said was true, on the whole they are the beneficiaries.
@@johnphelps9788
I just switch off when people start talking about reparations.
I agree with you whole heartedly.
Just race grifters after a large drink.
I guess they were supposed to build a country for free. Are they not supposed to benefit? If they didnt step in then the country would be backwards to this day. Its a small price to pay for a country that lacks the necessary stability,finance, and education among other things to have a country come in and steer the ship and enable its citizens to have a future. The reason countries are colonized is because they have to be. If they didnt they would already have the answers to the problems that have continued to hold them back.Its a hard pill to swallow but its true . Most often countries that have been controlled by western nations are usually better of in the end. People need to get over it.
As an Australian I would just like to point out out that if Britain had not colonised this great southern land someone else would have done so. Ponder that for a moment. The situation for Australian aboriginals is varied and complex and their opportunities to improve their own lives often depends on where they live and their own efforts as it does for all Australians.
Correct. It would have been the east or middle east to rule over Australia, and it would not be call Australia. Plus slavery would have never ended.
It doesn't matter, because it belonged to South Pacific Indian people and oberiginal people in the first place
As an englishman i thank the romans for there colonization they showed us how to build roads and baths i also want to thank vikings and saxons for the part in creating our language and i would also like to thank the normans for there superior castle building techniques and military training that made this little nation so much greater hmm or i could just sit here saying that all the good they done for this country wasnt worth the cost paid by us the english
Yes, the Romans did put all that infrastructure in, but guess what we did when they left...
We abandoned it and went back to what we did beforehand.
@@folkloreofbeing
We didn’t abandon everything when the Romans left. Most of our cities are those developed by the Romans (and the routes of the roads).
I can feel a Monty Python quote coming.
@@folkloreofbeingwrong, read a bit more before speaking on this issue again
@@Enicthefrauds back at you.
If British colonisation was genocide then there wouldn’t be anyone claiming there ancestors were oppressed by the British 😂
If she doesn't like this country she can always leave
My thoughts exactly
NO STAY THERE, we don't want her over here.
LONG LIVE GREAT BRITAIN AND THE BRITISH PEOPLE
I'm up on my husband's RUclips account watching this. This is like watching that Monty Python sketch where they're going "Well what did the Romans ever do for us, eh?!" Dude wins, hands down. India's net worth is on a par with Britain's today and it looks like they're going to surpass it soon. Modern day India is now a superpower in global terms. As a female watching this, I'm sitting here with my jaw hitting the floor. I'm watching a woman claiming to be Indian with blonde dyed hair, orange talons, dressed like she's in a designer made outfit and speaking with a thick English accent spouting on about how she's a victim and her people are victims. She literally nullifies her own argument just sitting there.
Oh dear! "Blonde hair, ... nails ... etc". That's the basis of your disagreement? And the "Historian"! Well, I do not read history in the way he does. This is absolute nonsense on so many levels ... in fact I don't know why I started even commenting as the arguments are nuts, ... particularly those of the wannabe English guy.
India was a Superpower long before the Brits, and they became one again after the Brits left.
@@stephenrioux6821 India didnt exist before the British came and it was kingdoms at constant war with each other with one of the highest slave rates in world history, next to Korea. So how was it a super power?
I don't know why you did either. What you said makes no sense.
@@martyquirke9808 to you. Naturally.
Wow she is unbearable. She may have even had a logical point in there somewhere that got lost in her emotional whirlwind. Terrible representative for the opposing view.
She was awesome! She was assertive and proud but I know what you mean, quiet and demure women are much easier to bully and gaslight.
@@yourpetyourway you are entitled to your opinion love, even if it is quite deluded. A calm and clear response would have been more constructive, from both you and the lady in the video.
@@yourpetyourway....OR just easier to to have a coherent conversation with someone that doesn't need behave all crazy, resort to name calling, interrupt AND maybe back their claims up with facts, no? 🤷
...Nah just kidding, "bully and gaslight women" is the main objective ofc 🙂
Lmao @ thinking she was awesome
She was an embarrassment.
I've never apologised for something I had nothing to do with i will stay unapologetic.
I'm with you👍👍
I approve of this message 👍
You can usually tell how little substance someone has in their argument by how loudly and hysterically they shout. Rafe needs more platforms to speak on. Even a podcast if he has the time?
She was ranting off her rocker with zero facts. She even acted as if she personally knew the imaginary people which were allegedly "murdered".
As soon as this mad woman says "you don't know your facts", and "you're spouting nonsense on TV" etc, then everyone else laughs and then cries in despair. Utterly clueless.
Well done that man!
So she could be "back home" so she doesn't identify as a geordie,British woman,speaks volumes as to where her loyalty lies 🙄
I lived and worked as a Brit engineer in Zambia in 1971/4 (Magoye RRS).
I returned in 1992 and met up with 3 now older Zambian friends.
I asked them how is Zambia after over 20 years of independence. The responce was. "When is the Queeny Lizabet coming back"
I too had the same response from an old man when I visited Kenya in 1997. He actually said life was much better under British rule.
I lived in Pakistan just a few years after Partition and often heard locals say they missed the British. Why,if we were such monsters as this hysterical woman would have you believe? Genocide indeed!
The newly independent nations who retained the British cultural capital model and also entered the Commonwealth and retained the Union flag as the Canton for their nation's flag on the whole have done quite well. Those which rejected it in favor of other things typically have celebrated their independence with a crumbling infrastructure, political instability, chronic food shortages, a revival of old tribal animosities, and often a great deal of wholesale slaughter. Silly buggers.
I was talking to an Indian gentleman quite a few years ago in Canada, upon hearing my accent he said that his mother and father wished the British were still there as the following governments had proved to be very dishonest (that’s putting it mildly).
The same was said to me in Belize,
They told me their government is so corrupt. It wasn't like that under British rule 😢
"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell her the truth".
Umm, conservatives hate the truth as much as "liberals" pal. You know, evolution, climate change, science in general.
Brilliant!
Yep.
May I quote you.. brilliant !
You folks have a very low bar for what you find witty and intelligent sad
i am from an ex British colony and yes he is right, the Empire did us good.
She is an absolute clown. She seems to believe that you win arguments by being louder than your opponent. She can't win with facts, so she baffles with bull-s--t.
History is history. That's where it should stay. No-one should need to apologise for what their parents and grandparents did.
Uhhhh depends
Very few people were involved. There are far more slaves in Africa NOW than ever were bought from African slave traders. That’s what people should care about. It just comes back to being self absorbed and not really caring about those that actually suffer.
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 Depends on what? If your brother murders someone and then died should you be punished for his crime? No, of course not. Just because you share a bloodline with people who did bad doesn't mean you should pay for what they did
Really, the stolen generation(aboriginals) and slavery whereas the descendents are disadvantaged in owning land and education? There can be implications later on for them. Families torn from their parents and put in orphanages.
There is not a single country in this world with hands clean out of murderers, slavery, exploitation, violence, stealing etc, and for those who think we should apologise for what happened 500 yrs ago, you dont know history at all., this 'will be a never ending story.
The more that woman interrupts and opens her mouth the more she is viewed as just plain wrong. Mainly due to her being overly emotional. If she can't have a calm and rational discussion than she already lost the debate.
As she sits there with a small African village hanging around her neck talking about why everything is so bad.
I love it.
"You wouldn't be here enjoying the lifestyle you are, were it not Britains great advancements for women. I am terribly sorry."
I'd enjoy having conversations with this guy. Awesome communication skills & personal characteristics. He'd be fun to have a drink with.