Thats epic! If my country still had Leopards I would've considered joining the army. Unfortunately, from what I know, Belgium will not use/have anymore MBTs
7:35 It's not the team, that map setup is specifically terrible for the south side spawn. They have to crest a hill out in the open with no cover just to get out of their spawn. In all the years I've been playing, I have not even once seen the south side win on that map.
does Gaijin not track the win% on either side of the map? It's possble they leave it unbalanced on purpose to lower the skill ceiling and introduce more RNG to winning.
@@meatisomalley I highly doubt gaijin puts that much effort into maps. Still have rocks/hills that have no traction, or spots to get outside of map for years and they never fix them.
IMO Leo 2AV serves absolutely no purpose in German line-ups. Rad 90 and Leo 2K are always the better choice(s) with better mobility and better fire power, while the armor on all 3 vehicles are just auto-cannon protected in the front (even if Leo 2AV has a higher value on paper, it does not make a big difference in combat).
An older version of Leopard 2 (like 2 to 2A3) would be nice as a weaker but equal to 2A4, and also maybe give the 2A4 DM33 since i heard its the most common ammo used by 2A4s in service
I kind of get why they did it. It’s just an easy vehicle but boring. I honestly think that the Marder 2 would be more interesting with its 35/50 mm gun. But it’s better then another T72 with better armor but no upgrades to the engine.
@@Texas_Engineer_Mike yeah and probably similar survivability due to the engine in the front ( that is also a disadvantage in urban combat where I at least don't want to be at top tier anyway )
With my experiences, I personally like close quaters with hiding behind buildings. I got 6 kills in 1 match, I guess this particular leopard likes my playstyle
9.7 seems pretty high for this vehicle. the turms doesnt make any concessions and is the same br. i basically see this as an up armored m48, shoots the same shell and with pretty similar speed characteristics
The Turms has no mobility and terrible turret control, the 2AV has a better round then the US 10.0 M1 Abrams, is as armoured as the M1 Abram's, FYI Tankestein didn't actually test the turret but its own DM33 round cannot pen it, which means no 8.7 - 10.0 US round will be able to pen it bar M900, the 2AV is significantly better then the XM-1 and MBT-70 which are 9.3, its fine at 9.7.
@@aflyingcowboy31 1. the turms bad turret mobility is the only fucking thing preventing it from stomping all games and 2. you guys grossly underestimate its speed. fuckers got torque to spare. america not having the shells and performance it should have does not mean this thing is a competitive 9.7. thats a bald faced lie. russia is so fucking over powered its not even funy
@@jaxrammus9165 No one disagrees Russia is broken at top tier, but the amount of newbs that play the Turms make it a horrendous vehicle, hence why Russia at 9.7 has such an extremely low win rate, but yes the Turms is pretty nuts, but it's biggest advantage is large maps, if your on a large map and your facing Russia at 9.7, your pretty screwed as it literally has everything going for it, but on smaller maps they can struggle quite a bit, also as someone who has played the Turms and the M1 Abrams, the turms mobility isn't even close, every vehicle the Turms faces is faster has a quicker reload and overall handles better, the Turms on the other hand can pen pretty much everything it faces has a nuke round and gen 3 thermals and also no reverse, it is a good vehicle, but it has its downsides as well, the only reason the Turms is at 9.7 is because of the people playing it.
killer 9.7 Germany line-up LEO 2K, LEO 2AV, PUMA, "Bagelpanzer" (MBT-70 if you have it and the PT if you have it) getting uptiered is very rare you usually play as top tier or you get uptiered to 10.0 Also you can farm Turms and Challanger DS players if you know the maps there is nothing stopping you from getting 5+ kills every match
@@OzzyTheWild i only played 7.3 germany today and from 25-30 matches i was top tier like twice. most of the time i was fighting 8.3 vehicles so dont tell me that im lucky. + being lucky across 50 matches is not possible.
gaijin when making event vehicles:china russia: let's give them event vehicles that are so op they are cheatlike...oh and give the westerners some useless shit
I'm just wanna the Leo 2 av to sell it and get other tanks on the market place, like german 1.0 half track with 37mm gun, or the puma with 75mm and 100mm pen heat. Just for the meme
@@stevenortiz9008 9.7. Give me one good reason why it should go to 9.3? In War Thunder’s meta, it would be better than the T64B, a tank that was previously at 9.7 but got moved down to 9.3 and is now basically the best 9.3 MBT and it is agreed upon by most who have played it or are knowledgeable on it that it would be fine at 9.7, especially if they moved the TURMS up to a proper BR like 10.0. It would be completely overpowered at 9.3, being one of the toughest and fastest vehicles, and being extremely survivable and hard hitting as well.
So its as good or almost as Leo C2A1 from Summer event 2018 or Leo 2K? Well regardless,if you love Leopards,this is a must have. I hate missing vehicles because generally they eventually get buffed or moved down,even if its years down the road.
@@exo068 they better fucking not. sa tired of them giving russians better shells all the time. they removed the begeleits aphe and gave it a stab then raped its br, but hey, lets give the turms 2bm42 with no adjustment :D
I purchased it because it was only $26 CAD at the time, I sold something else on the market for it, I think it is a good vehicle, but the grind is alot at 9.7 and yea being uptiered is hell
I just missed my chance to get it yesterday. Started playing late and didn't finish the stage in time. Honestly war thunder events are kinda dogshit. Why does gaijin decide to time gate fucking everything. Same with battle pass challenges, they were fine until gaijin decided to time gate them rather than having them available all season.
@@akiraalder Of course its worse it has a 4 second reload, both the the M1 Abrams and 2A4 are also worse then the PT-16/T14 when used by someone who knows what they are doing, the PT-16/T14 also costs 100-117 gaijin coins if you didn't get it during the event.
was always annoyed at myself for not finishing the event to get PT cuz of time constraints and I have this one now, however, I do not know whether to keep it or not.. its just another leo and lacks any real uniqueness like the PT had, so I may end up getting the last two stars to sell it down the line.
No thermals at that rank IM OUT. Thanks for saving me money Tank because I didn’t have the time to earn this tank. And I was prepared to wallet warrior this if it was good. Thanks bud.
I am grinding this tank but I don’t have any high rank German tank the I have that RU light tank that I will have as a backup tank for Leo AV but what premium tank that it’s close to the Leo AV it’s a good to have any tips?
Bought the Leo pzbtl 123 august 2nd now I’m at 10.0 BR in all tech tree Germany and it’s fun now. It wasn’t fun when I first bought it, you have to learn top tier insanely fast or you will just take L after L. I was lucky to get mig 21 sps k and leo at the same time at 50% off but you literally have to study war thunder videos and study actual tank footage of these modern tanks to understand how to kill them, I think if you’re gonna buy a top tier you need to be actually interested in the top tier tech etc and want to learn to kill it quick
Wait. Wasn't the Leo 2AV based on the two Leo prototypes that were send over to the US for trails and evaluation? If I remember correctly those didn't have any Composite armor but only spaced
What do u think will someone buy this and will I be able to get atleast 5k or 10k GE pack worth selling this I need the yah 64 helicopter so is there a chance to get it for free by selling the leopard and buying GE
you missed that the 2av gets more horsepower so although not any lighter it should in theory go faster because better horsepower and not really go faster but get going faster
@@PLPlolol1 the 2a4. when he was switching between the stat cards you can notice the weight stay the same but the hp which i used short for horsepower is different where the 2a4 has about 1380 something or close to that and the 2av the new event one has 1500 at the same weight and same rpms limit so it will go from stand still to moving fast ish with little time in between rather than take awhile to speed up
@@PLPlolol1 personally i didnt see whether he unlocked the engine upgrades and the filter and stuff but if thats not the case for the 2av then what i said still stands. if he did have those purchased and i missed it, cuz i noticed the 2av wasnt spaded yet, then i agree.
From the start of this even my mind was made. I will get all 10 stars so i can sell leopard 2AV and sell it later to make.......... MONEY. That i will later use for something more useful.
same lol, even tried to grind the pilot star but lack of reward immediately stopped me from doing that, not to mention the task based star are better than this score based one IMO
@@Kminek246 Honestly if it uses the task based system than score based ones I can easily do all 3 and then help my friend by doing his if needed, all within 1 day and leave the 2nd day for rest or other games, did this last year I think
Oh, it's not a premium? I thought all the top event vehicles would be too, like the Zrinyi... Kind of a shame, considering how much they make us grind for it :/
@@akmarksman mate, why are you getting your pants in a bunch? I simply looked and counted. There are over 30+ Shermans. Grinding the same Sherman 2-4 times, gets old fast.
bro why tf did you compare the armor and not use armor inspector? i want to see how much effective thickness it actually has against APFSDS not its composite thickness. that shits fucking useless.
Fair point. I just checked the armor inspector, and the 2A4 has about 50-100mm more armor on average throughout the entire front of the vehicle/turret vs APFSDS
i was grinding this and the f4 with the intention of selling them on the marketplace. how likely is it that people will actually buy them off me and what kind of prices do you think they'd be going for
What do we do when the enemy team is so inept that they can't fight us? Sit back and suck our thumbs? Spawn camping is when you ride the flank (or somehow get behind enemy lines) and pick off people as they come out of their base while the match is still alive. Spawn pushing is when the entirety of the battlefield is controlled by one team, so the only place to go is on the outside of their spawn. Big difference.
Today i was chosen as a leopard 2a6 crewman irl. Somewhat fitting video to watch
Congratulations!
please don't try to leak tank info to gaijin like some british did hehe
Thats epic! If my country still had Leopards I would've considered joining the army. Unfortunately, from what I know, Belgium will not use/have anymore MBTs
sekrit dokuments when?
@@Tankenstein thanks
7:35 It's not the team, that map setup is specifically terrible for the south side spawn. They have to crest a hill out in the open with no cover just to get out of their spawn. In all the years I've been playing, I have not even once seen the south side win on that map.
i have but it is indeed rare
does Gaijin not track the win% on either side of the map? It's possble they leave it unbalanced on purpose to lower the skill ceiling and introduce more RNG to winning.
@@meatisomalley I highly doubt gaijin puts that much effort into maps. Still have rocks/hills that have no traction, or spots to get outside of map for years and they never fix them.
A leopard 2a4 without thermals worse armor and a 105mm just a .3 br difference. No thanks.
Br compresion is real
My thoughts exactly, I'm gonna end up with it organically so here's to hoping it goes down.
It's just a better Leo 2k
IMO Leo 2AV serves absolutely no purpose in German line-ups. Rad 90 and Leo 2K are always the better choice(s) with better mobility and better fire power, while the armor on all 3 vehicles are just auto-cannon protected in the front (even if Leo 2AV has a higher value on paper, it does not make a big difference in combat).
An older version of Leopard 2 (like 2 to 2A3) would be nice as a weaker but equal to 2A4, and also maybe give the 2A4 DM33 since i heard its the most common ammo used by 2A4s in service
Fits in my line up another tank to bolster my 9.0+ leopard collection.
L/44 gang or L7A3 gang
I kind of get why they did it. It’s just an easy vehicle but boring. I honestly think that the Marder 2 would be more interesting with its 35/50 mm gun. But it’s better then another T72 with better armor but no upgrades to the engine.
even TAM 2C is better in almost any way
@@Texas_Engineer_Mike yeah and probably similar survivability due to the engine in the front ( that is also a disadvantage in urban combat where I at least don't want to be at top tier anyway )
With my experiences, I personally like close quaters with hiding behind buildings. I got 6 kills in 1 match, I guess this particular leopard likes my playstyle
9.7 seems pretty high for this vehicle. the turms doesnt make any concessions and is the same br. i basically see this as an up armored m48, shoots the same shell and with pretty similar speed characteristics
The Turms has no mobility and terrible turret control, the 2AV has a better round then the US 10.0 M1 Abrams, is as armoured as the M1 Abram's, FYI Tankestein didn't actually test the turret but its own DM33 round cannot pen it, which means no 8.7 - 10.0 US round will be able to pen it bar M900, the 2AV is significantly better then the XM-1 and MBT-70 which are 9.3, its fine at 9.7.
@@aflyingcowboy31 1. the turms bad turret mobility is the only fucking thing preventing it from stomping all games and 2. you guys grossly underestimate its speed. fuckers got torque to spare. america not having the shells and performance it should have does not mean this thing is a competitive 9.7. thats a bald faced lie. russia is so fucking over powered its not even funy
@@jaxrammus9165 No one disagrees Russia is broken at top tier, but the amount of newbs that play the Turms make it a horrendous vehicle, hence why Russia at 9.7 has such an extremely low win rate, but yes the Turms is pretty nuts, but it's biggest advantage is large maps, if your on a large map and your facing Russia at 9.7, your pretty screwed as it literally has everything going for it, but on smaller maps they can struggle quite a bit, also as someone who has played the Turms and the M1 Abrams, the turms mobility isn't even close, every vehicle the Turms faces is faster has a quicker reload and overall handles better, the Turms on the other hand can pen pretty much everything it faces has a nuke round and gen 3 thermals and also no reverse, it is a good vehicle, but it has its downsides as well, the only reason the Turms is at 9.7 is because of the people playing it.
@@aflyingcowboy31 you almost had a point until you mentioned reload. Having ti spend money to equal its reload is in and of itself busted op for it...
thank you for showing the leo :) i missed out on completing the missions, and being able to see it in review, is nice!
Gaijin needs to stop adding vehicles and sticking them at top tier without thermals. It's getting old.
killer 9.7 Germany line-up
LEO 2K, LEO 2AV, PUMA, "Bagelpanzer" (MBT-70 if you have it and the PT if you have it)
getting uptiered is very rare you usually play as top tier or you get uptiered to 10.0
Also you can farm Turms and Challanger DS players if you know the maps there is nothing stopping you from getting 5+ kills every match
i have like a 70% winrate and at the moment i only have the 2k and the PUMA.
you are kinda wrong tho. 9.7 is fighting almost always 10.3/10.7. Im always fighting 10.0/9.7 while using 10.7 lineup.
@@OzzyTheWild i have like 50 matches in my current 9.7 Line up and only like 5-7 times i was fully up tiered into 10.7
@@ehh9104 I guess that you are lucky then
@@OzzyTheWild i only played 7.3 germany today and from 25-30 matches i was top tier like twice.
most of the time i was fighting 8.3 vehicles so dont tell me that im lucky.
+ being lucky across 50 matches is not possible.
gaijin when making event vehicles:china russia: let's give them event vehicles that are so op they are cheatlike...oh and give the westerners some useless shit
I'm just wanna the Leo 2 av to sell it and get other tanks on the market place, like german 1.0 half track with 37mm gun, or the puma with 75mm and 100mm pen heat. Just for the meme
With the pt16 autoloading leopard at the same BR, I have a hard time seeing this staying at 9.7 without a mobility/armor buff.
It honestly is a 9.0-9.3 vehicle
I agree it’ll probably either get thermals or go down
It deserves to stay at 9.7, anything lower would be dumb, but a reload buff wouldn’t hurt.
@@akiraalder 9.3/9.7
@@stevenortiz9008 9.7. Give me one good reason why it should go to 9.3? In War Thunder’s meta, it would be better than the T64B, a tank that was previously at 9.7 but got moved down to 9.3 and is now basically the best 9.3 MBT and it is agreed upon by most who have played it or are knowledgeable on it that it would be fine at 9.7, especially if they moved the TURMS up to a proper BR like 10.0. It would be completely overpowered at 9.3, being one of the toughest and fastest vehicles, and being extremely survivable and hard hitting as well.
So its as good or almost as Leo C2A1 from Summer event 2018 or Leo 2K?
Well regardless,if you love Leopards,this is a must have.
I hate missing vehicles because generally they eventually get buffed or moved down,even if its years down the road.
Yes I can’t wait until the BMD4 gets its APDS belt.
@@exo068 they better fucking not. sa tired of them giving russians better shells all the time. they removed the begeleits aphe and gave it a stab then raped its br, but hey, lets give the turms 2bm42 with no adjustment :D
@@jaxrammus9165 they will just to make it more valuable on the market and get their share of the inflate price.
I have had that lagging in the end of the video for a while now and it never gets better, can u make a video on how to fix that lag?
Dude.... Im so jealous. I have to wait till tomorrow to get it >:[
Good video though lol
Love the content 😂
Keep it up m8
I know that feeling tomorrow it’s the day
I purchased it because it was only $26 CAD at the time, I sold something else on the market for it, I think it is a good vehicle, but the grind is alot at 9.7 and yea being uptiered is hell
How much is crew train cost? I’m gonna be unlocking it tomorrow and I kinda wanna know how big of a hit it’s gonna be SL wise for me.
A few hundred thousand iirc, look at the 2a4 and it should be similar or the same of whatever that is
170k initial
590k experts
The reload is made-up by Gaijin claimed to be for balance.
I just missed my chance to get it yesterday. Started playing late and didn't finish the stage in time. Honestly war thunder events are kinda dogshit. Why does gaijin decide to time gate fucking everything. Same with battle pass challenges, they were fine until gaijin decided to time gate them rather than having them available all season.
How's the vehicle compares to PT-16/T14?
IMO it’s worse for experienced players who know how to not get shot at but better for newer players that don’t
@@akiraalder Of course its worse it has a 4 second reload, both the the M1 Abrams and 2A4 are also worse then the PT-16/T14 when used by someone who knows what they are doing, the PT-16/T14 also costs 100-117 gaijin coins if you didn't get it during the event.
was always annoyed at myself for not finishing the event to get PT cuz of time constraints and I have this one now, however, I do not know whether to keep it or not.. its just another leo and lacks any real uniqueness like the PT had, so I may end up getting the last two stars to sell it down the line.
No thermals at that rank IM OUT. Thanks for saving me money Tank because I didn’t have the time to earn this tank. And I was prepared to wallet warrior this if it was good. Thanks bud.
i think it should be 9.3 and despite it not being a premium i will use it to help grind my lower tier germany.
it wont work, youll get like 200 rp for low tier tanks,
Btw the game stuttering, an issue I recently resolved, check the drivers for your gpu. Fixed mine and took 5 minutes
I realized after the fact that my F4D-1 video was still rendering and it got to a tough part to render at that point, haha
I am grinding this tank but I don’t have any high rank German tank the I have that RU light tank that I will have as a backup tank for Leo AV but what premium tank that it’s close to the Leo AV it’s a good to have any tips?
Hopefully now people who bought the Leo PL will have a second vehicle 😂
Third, they propably bought a pzbtl 123
In my opinion this is a very fine vehicle and well worth my time!
Bought the Leo pzbtl 123 august 2nd now I’m at 10.0 BR in all tech tree Germany and it’s fun now. It wasn’t fun when I first bought it, you have to learn top tier insanely fast or you will just take L after L. I was lucky to get mig 21 sps k and leo at the same time at 50% off but you literally have to study war thunder videos and study actual tank footage of these modern tanks to understand how to kill them, I think if you’re gonna buy a top tier you need to be actually interested in the top tier tech etc and want to learn to kill it quick
Typical wallet warrior jibberish
Anyone know what the light bulb on the top of the 2av is for?
I think it’s a warning lamp lints the one you se on tractors when you mowing it at base or on road, that my guess
If my team gets pushed back to the spawn i start teamkilling them to end the game sooner! At least i try with artillery or bombs.
Will you do for Naval too ?
So is a leopard 1 with armor to make it look like a leopard 2 ? A simple version of the leopard 2A4 ?
I don't know if its supposed to be easy but i am progressing through the event by just doing the daily battle tasks in arcade.
I didnt know there was an event till two days ago and i had all the tank stars unlocked so far
im happy to be getting it but its gonna take months or years to actually get a good lineup for it sadly
Have to grind 3 air and 3 naval stars to sell it, I'll not be doing the mission point version grind again...
I don’t think you do, getting the tenth star for just tanks makes upgrades it so you can sell it.
How do you even get event vehicles
Wait. Wasn't the Leo 2AV based on the two Leo prototypes that were send over to the US for trails and evaluation?
If I remember correctly those didn't have any Composite armor but only spaced
Shhhhhhh
no thermals?
Nope
Well at 9.7 with no thermals and stock 337mm apfsds fuck that the 2k is still the most funny leopard change my mind
I don't think the tradeable coupon upgrade would actually do anything on console. Wake me up when they add the Leopard AS1.
Dear Tankenstein
I wish you see this but I want to hear a review about the mig19S from you.
Thanks
What do u think will someone buy this and will I be able to get atleast 5k or 10k GE pack worth selling this
I need the yah 64 helicopter so is there a chance to get it for free by selling the leopard and buying GE
That event was such a let down, another boring American jet and another boring German tank. Lol only cool thing was the Hungarian tank
you missed that the 2av gets more horsepower so although not any lighter it should in theory go faster because better horsepower and not really go faster but get going faster
more hp than what
@@PLPlolol1 the 2a4. when he was switching between the stat cards you can notice the weight stay the same but the hp which i used short for horsepower is different where the 2a4 has about 1380 something or close to that and the 2av the new event one has 1500 at the same weight and same rpms limit so it will go from stand still to moving fast ish with little time in between rather than take awhile to speed up
@@sindicite3566 his 2a4 isnt spaded
all the leo2s have 1500hp
2k, 2a4, 2a5 and 2a6
@@PLPlolol1 personally i didnt see whether he unlocked the engine upgrades and the filter and stuff but if thats not the case for the 2av then what i said still stands. if he did have those purchased and i missed it, cuz i noticed the 2av wasnt spaded yet, then i agree.
@@sindicite3566 just compare the stock values, if theyre all the same then they all got 1500hp
From the start of this even my mind was made. I will get all 10 stars so i can sell leopard 2AV and sell it later to make.......... MONEY. That i will later use for something more useful.
same lol, even tried to grind the pilot star but lack of reward immediately stopped me from doing that, not to mention the task based star are better than this score based one IMO
@@AHappyCub I tried the air also, but it way to long and I just gave up
@@Kminek246 Honestly if it uses the task based system than score based ones I can easily do all 3 and then help my friend by doing his if needed, all within 1 day and leave the 2nd day for rest or other games, did this last year I think
Oh, it's not a premium? I thought all the top event vehicles would be too, like the Zrinyi... Kind of a shame, considering how much they make us grind for it :/
Im sorry but no. Thats how event vehicles works out like. Everything from IV and below is prem, else..is like another tech tree vehicle si
Hopefuly it has good price on marketplace so I can sell it
This is similar to british/african olifant ?
This will make 11 Leopards in the game.
so what..about half the amount of Sherman variants there are? lol
@@akmarksman mate, why are you getting your pants in a bunch? I simply looked and counted. There are over 30+ Shermans.
Grinding the same Sherman 2-4 times, gets old fast.
bro why tf did you compare the armor and not use armor inspector? i want to see how much effective thickness it actually has against APFSDS not its composite thickness. that shits fucking useless.
Fair point. I just checked the armor inspector, and the 2A4 has about 50-100mm more armor on average throughout the entire front of the vehicle/turret vs APFSDS
TTD looks more like a 2a4 at home.
how to obtain it?
To people who wonder why the United States didn't adopt the leopard 2 this is why
They better lower the reload time
i was grinding this and the f4 with the intention of selling them on the marketplace. how likely is it that people will actually buy them off me and what kind of prices do you think they'd be going for
i'd say maybe 30-40 gjn.
For me its a free leopard
Bruh why is this the same tier as the turms
man germany really takes forever to get thermals, 9.7 with only nvgs
I mean everything about their tanks are great so it makes sense i guess
Honestly by 8.7 is where tanks should get thermals, per tank basis of course but a good guideline IMO
@@SomewhatSummarized yeah you're right, just means getting as night battle whilst playing germany is just an instant disadvantage
>1A5 and C2A1 at 9.0 with thermals and the same round this thing gets
@@akiraalder the C2A1 isn't tech tree and the 1A5 is optional, and most people wont research it until at least unlocking everything in rank 6
oh yeah guess what it's 10.0 now
those frametime stutters are annoying
no thermals = meeh
i hope i can sell this and buy the obj 279
No chance, obj 279 is tooooo expensive!
You’re not going to get enough GJN from selling it, the 279 is currently over triple what this thing should ever sell for
May need another couple event vehicles for that
@@akiraalder I've got some other event vehicles to sell maybe with those I'll get enough coins to please the snail.
9.7 should be 9.3
Don't waste your time on that vanilla ass tank
hello
Hi
If I sell it, will the money go to my Steam wallet?
You can only sell it on The gaijin market for gaijin coin I think
Sir you defined spawn camping in your attempt of absolving your act of spawn camping
What do we do when the enemy team is so inept that they can't fight us? Sit back and suck our thumbs? Spawn camping is when you ride the flank (or somehow get behind enemy lines) and pick off people as they come out of their base while the match is still alive. Spawn pushing is when the entirety of the battlefield is controlled by one team, so the only place to go is on the outside of their spawn. Big difference.
@@Tankenstein 🤣👍
a way worse 2A4
So the tank is a shit??
Pretty much
@@Bigt07 Well, so like with the Zrinyi and pretty much the entire Summer Quest we all got scamed by Gaijing
Fuck...