Let’s never loose focus (pardon the pun) that the top 10 camera gear reviewers “RUclipsrs” / “content creators, are not jobbing photographers. They put food on the table-make a living influencing and not selling gallery prints from a storefront. You guys are a breath of fresh air. IBIS, VR, sensor tech. Who has sold more photographs to clients or customers through MAGNUM. Bresson or Tony Northrup? I photograph to loose myself in the moment and to improve mood. At no time have I thought about tech standing in front of an epic landscape. I enjoy Loz’s perspective. Cheers Mark
It has the Z8 autofocus system and 11fps - it is absolutely a wild life beast of a camera. The AF is far superior to a D500 and it has a continuous burst rate faster than a D500 with the same sensor. Sure no IBIS - but then neither did the D500 and everyone was okay with that! D500 release price $1999 which is $2500 adjusted for inflation. The Z50 II is selling for $909 -- thats like almost 1/3 of the price of the D500 on release day (adjusted for inflation - $909 today would have been $701 in 2016). If the autofocus is of Z8 level and and we get continuous 11fps, really guys - this is a baby D500. Especially with something like a 100-400 Z VR lens (150-600 4.5 to 5.6 in Dx) - this will be a hell of a sports/wild life camera. You want IBIS -- get the Zf for double the money. Or move upto a Z8 for 3.5 times the money. I get that you would miss IS for primes -- but if you were a prime user, I suspect you wold be getting a Zf / Z8 anyways. But the RUclipsrs - will bitch and moan - no ibis, does crappy video, yada yada. This is a D500 like camera for wildlife / sports shooting - NOT VIDEO. You want to do video - Nikon has the Z30, Z5, Zf, Z8, Z9 -- not every camera is made for RUclipsrs! This thing is going to be an amazing camera for sports shooters / wildlife shooters. I have mine on order!
@@MrPetebuster1 It does, but the Z8 has a stacked sensor and so it can do dual stream. This can’t, and the sensor is slower as well. Both will impact AF performance. However the AF system itself (subject detection, tracking, etc) is likely to be the exact same as in the Z8 and Z9.
Even has bird AF over the Z6iii, the readout of the sensor will not be as fast sure. If I didn't have a z50 I would buy one, but will wait for the zf-c II as a result.
I own the original Z50 and am very happy with it. It's my take anywhere / travel camera. IQ is fantastic, battery life is ok, size and weight is great. The new version is packed with lots of new features. Looks like a great camera to me.
As someone who doesn’t shoot video I really don’t care about IBIS that much. My main interest is birds and my long lenses have VR and for shorter focal lengths I use the kit lenses with VR or in low light I have the Viltrox bright primes. If the D50 II autofocuses like my Z9 I am interested. I will probably rent one to try it out.
I think IBIS plus VR make wildlife photography more capable of getting certain shots. Will be interesting to see how the old sensor works with a new processor, let us know
@@RussandLoz You’re right but so would the Nikon Z 400mm 2.8 TC. I’d buy one tomorrow except for the fact my wife would geld me! I just shot a volleyball tournament with the Z50 and the 28-400, took 520 shots and had 50% battery at the end. I was running ISO 6400 to 10000 most of the time and the results were perfectly acceptable. Not bad. Very much enjoy your videos by the way.
I'm planning to sell my Z50, and 24-70 f/4S lens.... to help fund a new Z50ii .... for me, it would be my new companion for the 50-250 and my 200-500 f/5.6VR lens with FTF adapter. Like others have said - it will be a game changer for wildlife - which is what I do a lot of.. I spend a lot of time in the canoe chasing loons around, and on ATV adventures looking for moose in the woods of HFWR in Ontario, Canada.
I have a D500, which I love. I also have a Z6 and just recently a Z6III. I'm still not replacing my D500. This camera sounds like a viable upgrade to the D500...for a song. I'm not in that market, but it seems like a good choice for those who want an affordable, capable mirrorless crop sensor camera. If I didn't have a surplus of bodies available, my wife might use this as an upgrade from her D7100.
35 years experience and not constrained by budget, so I’m neither of the markets you describe this camera for but I’ve preordered one. My Z50i has been to Vilnius, walked the West Highland Way, Motorcycled across the Pyrenees, walked the Black Forest and motorcycled the Wild Atlantic Way this year alone. That’s what these cameras are for, getting out and using, not navel gazing about IBIS and sensor readout speed. And if it gets smashed, stolen or lost, hey ho. At night, I can hear it boasting to my Z8 about the adventures it’s had. 😆
It's good to hear cameras have been on such adventures and sure all modern cameras and lenses are good, we often say that. But we like to discuss the intricacies of technology and maybe help those who don't know which one to pick ☺
@ the apsc sensor in that z6iii body. Then for those with the z6iii the z50ii would be very familiar feeling. That’s what Panasonic did they put the MFT sensor in the s5ii/x full frame body.
Guys the Z5 is selling at about a 20% discount to original price at the moment. Get that one, it’s got two cards in it as well. If it was a good camera 5 years ago it will be fine today. (Mine still takes great shots.)
Hi, also the 20.9 sensor in the Z50II is really good, if the same as the D500 but the Z5 has 24MP. It’s not a big difference but a little more can go a long way in some circumstances. Obviously the newer processor is better but I have the Expeed5 in the D7500 and you would not say that it is bad. In fact the Expeed3 in my ancient D610 takes really nice shots too. Anyway, the best camera is the one you already have, other than the one you’d like but don’t have.
@@brianeibisch6025I’ve been himming and hawing over a new camera around the $800-$1000 range and thought I’d made up my mind on the z50ii but the d7500 has been looking like a tempting option despite its age. I use a d3200 right now with kit lenses 35 1.8g and afs 300f/4 so essentially could use the lenses I already have with d7500 or start over with z50ii.oy!
Hi Gents, I agree with much of what you say, but truly there's only one way to know if the new version of the Z50 is any good, and that's to give one a run out.
Yeah we'd love to but doubt we'll get a chance, it's still an interesting topic and we have had dx cameras before to base it on. But sure, in the hands is always better
@@E4ce7777 the z5 will have the old focus system so the new cameras will be much much better for that. If you use single point then it won’t make much difference
@RussandLoz yes I just saw a new video release about the nikon z80. Seems to be a thing with many impressive features. I hope it is in the mid range pricing (1500-2000)but with what I am hearing this sounds like a (2000-3000) camera.
I bought a Z50 a couple of years ago as stand in while my Z6ii was out of commission. I ended up liking it much more than I thought I would. It's compact size just feels good in my hands, it's great if space/weight is at premium and pictures have real punch (it has no AA filter on it I think). It serves as a great platform to experiment with 3rd party manual focus lenses. The Z50ii upgrade is fine I think, but probably not worth it if you already has original. Still I would recommend for anybody who wants a compact and effective mirrorless camera.
@@RussandLoz My favourite lens on the Z50 is the Nikkor 28mm F2.8 which gives me great street photography results (±42mm FOV). The kit zoom collection work well if you want lightweight and compact do-it--all setup for travel (and space is at premium). If I have the time to slow down, the TTartisan 10mm F2 and 50mm F1.2 manual focus apsc lenses are fun and interesting (but not suitable for video). I've taken some nice bird shots with my FTZ-adapted Nikkor 200-500mm F5.6 lens too although focusing is a bit hit and miss, but the Z50ii should fix that issue. Thanks for all the great content!
I wish we could somehow eliminate the "mine is bigger than yours" mind set of camera reviewers. Not everyone is a pro, and my old Z50 has provided me a wealth of fun photography. I am looking at the Z6iii, but the extra cost and the diminished reach for bird photography are definite cons. My Nikon glass has built in VR and the lack in the Z50ii is not really an issue. And the DX kit lenses have built-in VR anyways. I have always used full frame lenses and I have only owned crop sensor cameras. And I have never attempted to sell a picture. It comes down to it's all about me in photography, and the Z50 has been a great tool for me. And the Z50ii appears to improve on that without breaking the bank. I'm happy that the new Z50ii has shown up.
You would need the Z 12-28mm power zoom which has VR, but not a constant aperture. Primes might be used mostly for photo, or for low-motion video ie. interviews. Or try the 24-70mm F4 for constant aperture in video. The superlong teles like 100-400mm have VR.
@@RussandLozcommon gentlemen you and I both know you used DSLRs for years with no IBIS lol. Primes are all of a sudden tricky to shoot without it which was darn neat every prime then. I get that argument for video, but just hold your camera properly and bump your shutter speed up a bit if you have shaky hands. 🙄
@@MB-dq2gz ooh no. I'm with you on the we could do it then so we can do it now argument, that is a really valid point but on video you generally want to to be shooting at a shutter speed roughly double your frame rate, if you go faster it can look jittery.
@@dogdadoutdoors Video is a bigger issue. I wouldn't recommend it, but people will argue AI stabilization can still work with it, a tripod, or cropping in with the digital stabilizer.
If video stabilization is a big deal, you want a gimbal anyway. IBIS only matters in low light if the subject isn’t moving. So the scope where it helps is even more limited than what you mention. But it would be ‘nice’ that’s very true.
I agree with you about nikon releasing a zf-c II I would have gotten it since I always wanted the first one, but since I already had a Z50 I couldnt justify the purchase. I like the z50 and always leave it in my car with both kit lenses and the 40mm F/2 for a quick kit on the go.
I don’t think Nikon has rolled out its entire DX line-up. We are likely going to see Z 70 at some point and that will be speced with IBIS and other missing features for sure.
I got the z50 as my first camera this year in May. Like the handling, AF is fine for me and quality is nice. When the z50ii launched i felt a lil of bit of that buyer's remorse but then i heard the sensor is the same and i don't use these fancy features much (still a noob) so i guess its fine for me.
@@glaecius the sweet handling which lets me carry the camera in my hands for a long time and I still get to take awesome pics even with the kit lens. I donno why people shit on the AF and Expeed 6 processor, like do they want their photos to be clicked artificially? The z50 seems a balanced camera for the budget.
I remember the Z6II & Z7II were dual processor and yes they were an improvement you need a new sensor and processor. That is why I usually skip the upgrade version and go with the next one after that. I do that with computers and video cards. I like the new Apple M4 Mac Mini. So the Z50II and APSC are coming without any IBIS but the lenses do have stabilization which should work with the camera. In this case you up the shutter count to counteract the shakiness. I like what Sony has implemented is Gyro. Records all of the movements and then process it to remove the shakiness and lack of stabilization through software. Even with cameras that have IBIS it doesn't look that stabilized and have wobbly sides. Unfortunately I am migrating to Full Frame and loving the performance and more mega pixels when cropping there is still enough MP to have wonderful photos that can do APSC perfectly. My local camera store is selling the Z50 with the kit lens 16-50mm for $750. The other three things that are important to me are Flash built in, No 30 minute Video record limit and Overheating since I live in a warm climate. Cheers!
@@RussandLoz I have been doing videos of the Z50 and am using tyhe Nikkor Z 50-250mm, 18-140mm which in my opinion would be the best all in one lens for DX Cameras. I am also using the Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 DX supposedly optically stabilized lens too. Problem with owning som many cameras trying to train your brain to press the record button in the right part of the device instead of ISO and EV ones. So I have watched Phil Thach and Matt Irwin's videos too and they have valid points. Love the new processor, do not need IBIS but it all comes down to Auto Focusing and Subject Detection which the old version lacks. Still takes excellent photos where cropped in that squirrel will be my thumbnail for the video. Cheers!
I like your point that this should have been a Zfcii. Then they could have made the Z50ii larger and with IBIS for the D500 replacement for wildlife and sports. Even my little Fujifilm X100VI has IBIS, but it is more expensive. I don't think the Z50ii is for me, but the tempting part would be to pair it with a 400mm f4.5 lens (or my old 500mm PF) for a super lightweight walk around wildlife setup. I think they owe the Z6iii owners an immediate firmware update with bird autofocus, because to put it in this camera and not the Z6iii is just absurd.
That would have been a good idea, but yeah they do make odd decisions, and hold back things which can easily go in higher modals, they did that when the ZF got released too
I'm thinking the first Z6III firmware update will be something special, like the first Z9 update, but we'll see...
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I was positively surprised (although the lack of IBIS was one of the reasons why I sold my Z fc as I was expecting that the new generation DX would get IBIS). A D500 replacement must have IBIS and a faster sensor (I would be happy with the 20.9MP sensor if it becomes fully or partially stacked). I will wait. For now my mirrorless (Z8) backup remains a DSLR. I am also waiting for my dream lens - a light weight (around 1.5kg) 300mm 2.8 TC (if Nikon would put a 1.7 built-in TC would be amazing!).
I ordered it to compliment my Z8. will put the 28 - 400 on it for walk around and drive by shooting. sure will be fun with the viltrox 20mm 2.8 for street
Depending on what your shooting interests are this camera may be a very good option. Firstly as a good travel camera on a budget with some wildlife/sport capabilities. I personally would buy it but I already have an older D5500 with a set of lenses which is a camera of the same concept and still delivers. But for a new buyer - it's a go. To really improve my wildlife photography I need to go to Z6iii which has IBIS and better FPS and so on. So the Nikon marketing people calculated this properly - they pushed me to spend much more money to get out of the travel amateur segment )))
Primarily shoot z8 / z6iii. Tried an xt-5 as the small travel companion, but the UX and AF were both wonky, sold it. So next up is the z50ii ... yes ibis and more mp would have been nice, but if I'm honest what I most want is good iq, solid af, and most of all small. Think this will fit the bill, plus can be a c camera on location. At any rate, cheap enough to try with little downside, optimistic.
@@RussandLoz plan is to use a mix. I do have the kit lenses left from a z30, so they're an option. Probably some of the smaller full frame (like the 26 pancake, or even one of the 50s, etc); also ordered the sigma 30mm f1.4. Maybe some of the voigtlander z-mounts, or other m-mount adapted. That's the plan so far any way.
For a Nikon user with F DX lenses, older manual lenses, or who wants a light and capable travel camera. No IBIS is a boomer. AF and Expeed 7 sounds like a decent upgrade. The small sensor is fine for the use case and might reduce video overheating. However, in 2024, the Sony 6X00 (or ZV-1/II) might still be a bit more interesting, while it has an industrial design. There are a plethora of AF lenses.
For the price, the feature set is good, though maybe not great; the Fuji X-S10 isn’t that much more expensive, and it does have IBIS. I don’t mind the old sensor that much. Things like DR and noise haven’t really improved over the last 10 years, and this doesn’t have that much rolling shutter either from what I’ve seen. I think it was a smart move to make it work as a webcam without any need to install software. I do think Nikon could use a higher-end APS-C model though. As for competition from the Z5, I see these as two completely different cameras. This has better video and far and away better AF. The Z5 has IBIS and is FF. I was thinking that it might actually make sense as a second body beside the Z5, Z6 or Z7 (I or II), because then you have one body for general photography, and one crop body with great AF, pre-capture and speed for wildlife. The combination of both can solve a lot of problems. Though the fact that they use different batteries is a bit of a pain. And I’m not sure how intuitive it is to switch between bodies.
It never worked for me to have a cropped sensor mixed with full as it was a pain thinking about what lens is best. But would be interested to see how it worked as a wildlife option
@@RussandLoz The thing is, I’m on a D750 and I used that for wildlife as well. But I don’t want to take lenses bigger than a 100-400 with me. That’s sort of the limit for me when traveling. But 400mm is often a bit short, and the pixel density of the D750 when cropping in, isn’t so great. I was actually looking at maybe getting a D850 or even a Z8 if I would jump to mirrorless. Then you have more leeway to crop. However, especially a Z8 is not a cheap option. And there are other advantages to shooting with two bodies: you can leave one set up for landscapes, portraits, etc, and the other for wildlife. And you don’t have to swap lenses all the time either. I just wish the bloody thing was weather sealed. :) And also that it used an EN-EL15.
Actually I found that Nikon says it is weather sealed to the same degree as the Z50, which they said is weather sealed to the same degree as the D7500. Not sure if that’s great but it is something. Guess I should fact-check things before repeating what other people say. As you might have guessed from my other replies here, I don’t buy into the flash = no weather sealing idea. I took my Pentax K-3 with 60-250/4 to a zoo years ago. It was raining like hell. I did not cover the camera though, and just wiped the water off at the end of the day. It was no problem.
It seems to be quite a viable tool if you are in the market for a smaller form factor APSC camera. Would much prefer it over a Fuji R100x. But I own the Z6iii and as carry along a Leica Q, Sony RX1 and that tiny Sony RX100iii. No point expanding any further as I cannot establish a viable use case despite the camera's apparent qualities. That is one of the challenges for manufacturers: the market is rich with very good cameras even if they do not represent the latest of everything. Still, they enable us to produce excellent results and the rest can be left to software.
This camera isn't for people who are looking for a new D500. The specs and pricing solidly place it for beginners or those looking to do content creation. No professional build quality, no IBIS, small battery, single card slot etc etc. For the price I think these features are fine but much like the Z6 iii I don't think I felt that amazed. Still going to keep waiting for the true new D500. I would expect a new D500 to have Z8 build and specs but with fast readout crop sensor possibly allowing for faster framerates - at least match up to the R7 from Canon Nikon. Is should also use the same battery grip as the Z8. I think one of my major flacks for Nikon right now is that they still don't have RAW pre-capture and only JPEG for higher framerates.
Given Nikon recently had its ZF refurbished on sale for $1200 directly from them, I can’t see why I would buy a Z 50 II at all. Sure, if I want to use DX crop, I’ll have fewer megapixels, but that little bit is worth having full frame and ibis, plus all the other features that come with the ZF
Lack of ibis and not using the en-el15c battery, was a mistake imo. I had the original Z50 and the battery life was terrible, I don't want multiple batteries just to get through the day. They need to release a top end DX camera, that'd be my next purchase.
The z50 is too close a value proposition to the z5 on sale. Looks like the mk2 borrows body from z5. I came from Fujifilm x because medium format was too much and the x bodies are pushing prices and weight to the point FF seemed a better middle ground. Also converted manual lenses don’t require crop math.
I love the pace and interaction on your videos, feels like your down the pub discussing with mates. For me I'm not interested in the Z50 II, the only benefit is that its marginally lighter and to take advantage of that I'd have to use APS-C lenses, in which case I may as well look at something like the Sony A6700 which is much stronger for video.
I agree that no IBIS was a miss on this one. Also I’m confused why they beefed up the grip but didn’t use that extra room for a bigger battery or a separate SD card slot. But it’s a good point that this would make a compelling wildlife camera. Let’s see someone stick a 200-500 on this thing and see what it can do!
Nobody that reviewed this camera has mentioned weather sealing. With the ridiculous flash, it’s unlikely to have any level of water sealing. This alone will put off many wildlife photographers…. A replacement D500 this is not. I wonder if we will ever see one? The autofocus is definitely much improved, but it is no Z6iii. The sensor and af module smaller size hinders the Expeed 7 boost. If they ever replace the Z5, that will be the budget camera to buy.
@@300ShadesofGreen It's hard to compare because even the number of AF points doesn't actually mean anything. These are just the selectable AF areas, and each area has a bunch of actual AF points under it. Thom Hogan has an article about this if you're interested. I do wonder how fast the Z50 II sensor is. From what I read, that will impact AF performance. It's also why the ZF is worse than the Z6 III. The Z8 and Z9 have an added advantage with their stacked sensor, which enables an uninterrupted stream to the viewfinder and AF, and another stream to actually capture the image. Again, from what I read.
The worst mistake any manufacturer can make is to make a buying decision difficult. Canon and Sony have it right. Nikon always gets it wrong. I'll probably just get a better smartphone.
@@RussandLoz it's half the price of a FF camera with almost the same features. Zv-e10ii may be cheaper but doesn't have 4k60 and doesn't have RED luts. Oh and for some reason they gave bird eye detection to z50ii but not the z6iii.
@@MrPetebuster1 For a full frame in a lower price range. But... and update of Zfc could also be interesting. With the same autofocus as the 50 II......
I'm just here for all the "where's the D500 replacement!?" comments 😆 Whatever Nikon comes up with, half of you will b*tch & moan, and half of you won't. Out of the half that won't, I'd venture to guess 2-3% of you (generous) will plop down $2500-$3000 for a niche body (also generous, assuming a new fast stacked APSC sensor and most of the Z8/9 bells and whistles...). The Z8 is $3500 (US) right now. Get a Z8 or get a Z6III (currently $2300), or stay with the D500 and just enjoy plenty of f-mount glass to choose from at a great price.
would like to see a side by side test between the 2 i suspect it will be the mirroless equivalent. Never understood the mirrorless replacement for a dslr? Made no sense
Yeah I agree I don't think Nikon can win really, but they do make some odd choices, in my opinion. No 35mm 1.2 for those who have been waiting but a 35mm 1.4 non-pro instead
@@RussandLoz Battery life, from the CIPA ratings, is not good at all. Barely any better than my RX100 V. Having said that, CIPA also uses flash for some shots if the camera has a flash. It could be that it’s much better without it.
It's a nice upgrade of the Z50. Definitely a step ahead of the D500 now, which it should be after so many years. The way these releases are getting dragged out, this one will probably be around for about 6 years. They're not going to spend the money on the DX format for a new IBIS unit. The camera market had shrunk so much as to make this non viable. If you want new sensors and IBIS then you need to pony up for one of the FX cameras.
Thats a good point about the market dropping out of the lower end, for now at least. But Fuji have that area I would think. It could have been Nikon's attempt too
@@RussandLoz Fuji are serious about APSC because they decided to skip 35mm. Nikon have never been really committed to DX - it was always a gateway drug to them, to lead people into the serious and profitable FX market. To me Nikon is quintesentially 35mm, ever since 1959 anf the Nikon F. (Please ignore the 2000-2010 decade 🙂)
For the Z50 that you have and that you say you don't use. If you do anything where you use a webcam, then you can use the Z50 as a webcam. I have a Z30 which I use as a webcam. Will need to buy an HDMI to USB capture device. Which can be as cheap as $15 for a 1080p model. Or around $100 for an Elgato model. I use it with the Nikkor Z DX 24mm f/1.7 lens.
@@RussandLoz You sure can! But I mentioned it, if wanting to find a use for the Z50 which was said to be rarely used. Since rarely used the camera can likely leave it mounted as a webcam for months.
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Not great. Old sensor, no IBIS, crop factor on a crop factor camera for quality video, single card, the list goes on. Probably no waterproofing because of that goof-bag, useless, amateur flash. Nikon could have made this so much better. It's like two steps forward and one and a half steps backwards. Anyway, I don't care. After a decade of slumming it with Fuji, I hate APSC. Once you swap to quality FF on the Z's, you don't go backwards.
@@MrPetebuster1 Correct. I had a fortune invested in their lenses, so, at the time, it was too expensive for me to change systems. I kept hanging in there with their promise of better bodies to come. I'd buy the next body, but still basically no change. I knew for a long time that Fuji was rubbish, but it was only about 2-3 years ago, I was financial enough to changes systems. Now I have two Nikon Z bodies and 8 of their lenses. Man what a difference - night and day!
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Let’s never loose focus (pardon the pun) that the top 10 camera gear reviewers “RUclipsrs” / “content creators, are not jobbing photographers. They put food on the table-make a living influencing and not selling gallery prints from a storefront. You guys are a breath of fresh air. IBIS, VR, sensor tech. Who has sold more photographs to clients or customers through MAGNUM. Bresson or Tony Northrup?
I photograph to loose myself in the moment and to improve mood. At no time have I thought about tech standing in front of an epic landscape. I enjoy Loz’s perspective. Cheers
Mark
It has the Z8 autofocus system and 11fps - it is absolutely a wild life beast of a camera. The AF is far superior to a D500 and it has a continuous burst rate faster than a D500 with the same sensor. Sure no IBIS - but then neither did the D500 and everyone was okay with that! D500 release price $1999 which is $2500 adjusted for inflation. The Z50 II is selling for $909 -- thats like almost 1/3 of the price of the D500 on release day (adjusted for inflation - $909 today would have been $701 in 2016). If the autofocus is of Z8 level and and we get continuous 11fps, really guys - this is a baby D500. Especially with something like a 100-400 Z VR lens (150-600 4.5 to 5.6 in Dx) - this will be a hell of a sports/wild life camera. You want IBIS -- get the Zf for double the money. Or move upto a Z8 for 3.5 times the money. I get that you would miss IS for primes -- but if you were a prime user, I suspect you wold be getting a Zf / Z8 anyways. But the RUclipsrs - will bitch and moan - no ibis, does crappy video, yada yada. This is a D500 like camera for wildlife / sports shooting - NOT VIDEO. You want to do video - Nikon has the Z30, Z5, Zf, Z8, Z9 -- not every camera is made for RUclipsrs! This thing is going to be an amazing camera for sports shooters / wildlife shooters. I have mine on order!
@@vparikh08 it doesn’t even match the Z6iii for autofocus, let alone the Z8. But, by all means keep believing.
No its doesn't have the z8 AF, You really need to get your facts right , Its an improved af system. Its not the same or as good.
@@MrPetebuster1 It does, but the Z8 has a stacked sensor and so it can do dual stream. This can’t, and the sensor is slower as well. Both will impact AF performance. However the AF system itself (subject detection, tracking, etc) is likely to be the exact same as in the Z8 and Z9.
We have to remember this is a $900 US body. Within those constraints its rather impressive.
Even has bird AF over the Z6iii, the readout of the sensor will not be as fast sure. If I didn't have a z50 I would buy one, but will wait for the zf-c II as a result.
I own the original Z50 and am very happy with it. It's my take anywhere / travel camera. IQ is fantastic, battery life is ok, size and weight is great. The new version is packed with lots of new features. Looks like a great camera to me.
As someone who doesn’t shoot video I really don’t care about IBIS that much. My main interest is birds and my long lenses have VR and for shorter focal lengths I use the kit lenses with VR or in low light I have the Viltrox bright primes. If the D50 II autofocuses like my Z9 I am interested. I will probably rent one to try it out.
I think IBIS plus VR make wildlife photography more capable of getting certain shots. Will be interesting to see how the old sensor works with a new processor, let us know
@@RussandLoz You’re right but so would the Nikon Z 400mm 2.8 TC. I’d buy one tomorrow except for the fact my wife would geld me! I just shot a volleyball tournament with the Z50 and the 28-400, took 520 shots and had 50% battery at the end. I was running ISO 6400 to 10000 most of the time and the results were perfectly acceptable. Not bad. Very much enjoy your videos by the way.
I'm planning to sell my Z50, and 24-70 f/4S lens.... to help fund a new Z50ii .... for me, it would be my new companion for the 50-250 and my 200-500 f/5.6VR lens with FTF adapter. Like others have said - it will be a game changer for wildlife - which is what I do a lot of.. I spend a lot of time in the canoe chasing loons around, and on ATV adventures looking for moose in the woods of HFWR in Ontario, Canada.
I have a D500, which I love. I also have a Z6 and just recently a Z6III. I'm still not replacing my D500. This camera sounds like a viable upgrade to the D500...for a song. I'm not in that market, but it seems like a good choice for those who want an affordable, capable mirrorless crop sensor camera. If I didn't have a surplus of bodies available, my wife might use this as an upgrade from her D7100.
35 years experience and not constrained by budget, so I’m neither of the markets you describe this camera for but I’ve preordered one.
My Z50i has been to Vilnius, walked the West Highland Way, Motorcycled across the Pyrenees, walked the Black Forest and motorcycled the Wild Atlantic Way this year alone. That’s what these cameras are for, getting out and using, not navel gazing about IBIS and sensor readout speed. And if it gets smashed, stolen or lost, hey ho.
At night, I can hear it boasting to my Z8 about the adventures it’s had. 😆
It's good to hear cameras have been on such adventures and sure all modern cameras and lenses are good, we often say that. But we like to discuss the intricacies of technology and maybe help those who don't know which one to pick ☺
The perfect upgrade for me would have been the 20mp sensor in the z6iii body. To me the battery is the let down.
A lower MP in full frame or dx?
@ the apsc sensor in that z6iii body. Then for those with the z6iii the z50ii would be very familiar feeling. That’s what Panasonic did they put the MFT sensor in the s5ii/x full frame body.
Guys the Z5 is selling at about a 20% discount to original price at the moment. Get that one, it’s got two cards in it as well. If it was a good camera 5 years ago it will be fine today. (Mine still takes great shots.)
@@brianeibisch6025 If you’re happy with single point then it’ll be good. Can’t compete with the new tracking and focus though
Hi, also the 20.9 sensor in the Z50II is really good, if the same as the D500 but the Z5 has 24MP. It’s not a big difference but a little more can go a long way in some circumstances. Obviously the newer processor is better but I have the Expeed5 in the D7500 and you would not say that it is bad. In fact the Expeed3 in my ancient D610 takes really nice shots too. Anyway, the best camera is the one you already have, other than the one you’d like but don’t have.
@@brianeibisch6025I’ve been himming and hawing over a new camera around the $800-$1000 range and thought I’d made up my mind on the z50ii but the d7500 has been looking like a tempting option despite its age. I use a d3200 right now with kit lenses 35 1.8g and afs 300f/4 so essentially could use the lenses I already have with d7500 or start over with z50ii.oy!
I may consider it … right now I use my Zfc and two zooms for a super light cycling/hiking kit…. would have preferred ZfcII
I wonder why they didn't, seemed obvious to me as that was a bigger success than the z50i
Hi Gents, I agree with much of what you say, but truly there's only one way to know if the new version of the Z50 is any good, and that's to give one a run out.
Yeah we'd love to but doubt we'll get a chance, it's still an interesting topic and we have had dx cameras before to base it on. But sure, in the hands is always better
Amazing review.. very beautifully shot video.. Can you please tell which camera and lens did you use to shoot this episode??? its beautiful..
Thanks, Nikon zf and z8 with Yongnuo 85 1.8 and Nikon 50 1.8 S
Would you say the Z5 is obviously better than the new z50ii? Especially with the sale? Or wait for a z5ii or z80/90
@@E4ce7777 the z5 will have the old focus system so the new cameras will be much much better for that. If you use single point then it won’t make much difference
@RussandLoz yes I just saw a new video release about the nikon z80. Seems to be a thing with many impressive features. I hope it is in the mid range pricing (1500-2000)but with what I am hearing this sounds like a (2000-3000) camera.
If nothing else, the Z50 II's headphone output makes it a winner for video.
If using a VR lens or a tripod or gimbal, I capture a lot of handheld video with primes, wouldn't work for me really
I bought a Z50 a couple of years ago as stand in while my Z6ii was out of commission. I ended up liking it much more than I thought I would. It's compact size just feels good in my hands, it's great if space/weight is at premium and pictures have real punch (it has no AA filter on it I think). It serves as a great platform to experiment with 3rd party manual focus lenses. The Z50ii upgrade is fine I think, but probably not worth it if you already has original. Still I would recommend for anybody who wants a compact and effective mirrorless camera.
Did you find certain lenses work better than others?
@@RussandLoz My favourite lens on the Z50 is the Nikkor 28mm F2.8 which gives me great street photography results (±42mm FOV). The kit zoom collection work well if you want lightweight and compact do-it--all setup for travel (and space is at premium). If I have the time to slow down, the TTartisan 10mm F2 and 50mm F1.2 manual focus apsc lenses are fun and interesting (but not suitable for video). I've taken some nice bird shots with my FTZ-adapted Nikkor 200-500mm F5.6 lens too although focusing is a bit hit and miss, but the Z50ii should fix that issue. Thanks for all the great content!
I wish we could somehow eliminate the "mine is bigger than yours" mind set of camera reviewers. Not everyone is a pro, and my old Z50 has provided me a wealth of fun photography. I am looking at the Z6iii, but the extra cost and the diminished reach for bird photography are definite cons. My Nikon glass has built in VR and the lack in the Z50ii is not really an issue. And the DX kit lenses have built-in VR anyways. I have always used full frame lenses and I have only owned crop sensor cameras. And I have never attempted to sell a picture. It comes down to it's all about me in photography, and the Z50 has been a great tool for me. And the Z50ii appears to improve on that without breaking the bank. I'm happy that the new Z50ii has shown up.
They have not installed the best sensor, the VR, etc. because they will soon release a Z90 and in the future also a Z80
Could well be, it's good to have options I guess
You would need the Z 12-28mm power zoom which has VR, but not a constant aperture. Primes might be used mostly for photo, or for low-motion video ie. interviews. Or try the 24-70mm F4 for constant aperture in video. The superlong teles like 100-400mm have VR.
I just want the 35 1.2 Nikon can keep the rest
@@DJJDBass Quite incredible it hasn’t come. Instead they release a 35 1.4 non S
I have already ordered it, it is perfect for travel
With the kit lenses? For primes without VR I found dx tricky
@@RussandLozcommon gentlemen you and I both know you used DSLRs for years with no IBIS lol. Primes are all of a sudden tricky to shoot without it which was darn neat every prime then. I get that argument for video, but just hold your camera properly and bump your shutter speed up a bit if you have shaky hands. 🙄
@@MB-dq2gz Once we had the IBIS you never want to give it up, it's like having power steering in a car, but sure people drive before that innovation 🤔
@@MB-dq2gz ooh no. I'm with you on the we could do it then so we can do it now argument, that is a really valid point but on video you generally want to to be shooting at a shutter speed roughly double your frame rate, if you go faster it can look jittery.
@@dogdadoutdoors Video is a bigger issue. I wouldn't recommend it, but people will argue AI stabilization can still work with it, a tripod, or cropping in with the digital stabilizer.
If video stabilization is a big deal, you want a gimbal anyway. IBIS only matters in low light if the subject isn’t moving.
So the scope where it helps is even more limited than what you mention. But it would be ‘nice’ that’s very true.
@@mikedfurman sure if you are moving with the camera you’ll need a gimbal but for handheld stationary video, ibis is an amazing feature.
@ I guess I never take handheld on a camera that isn’t a phone. Do most people do that with a camera?
@ yes. Even with wildlife the ibis for handheld filming is great
I agree with you about nikon releasing a zf-c II I would have gotten it since I always wanted the first one, but since I already had a Z50 I couldnt justify the purchase. I like the z50 and always leave it in my car with both kit lenses and the 40mm F/2 for a quick kit on the go.
Nice camera, but we're still waiting for the NIKKOR Z 35mm f/1.2 S 😞
I wonder how long? very odd, even worse they release a non pro 35mm 1.4
I don’t think Nikon has rolled out its entire DX line-up. We are likely going to see Z 70 at some point and that will be speced with IBIS and other missing features for sure.
The issue is they are a smaller company so these things take time..
I got the z50 as my first camera this year in May. Like the handling, AF is fine for me and quality is nice. When the z50ii launched i felt a lil of bit of that buyer's remorse but then i heard the sensor is the same and i don't use these fancy features much (still a noob) so i guess its fine for me.
Yes it's only a function update really. You could always trade in too
@RussandLoz I don't know if trade in is a thing in India or not but I'll stick to my z50 since it's a just hobby for me. Thanks
@@thenoobieditor On the upside, the original Z50 has a better battery life, is slightly smaller and about a 100g lighter.
@@glaecius the sweet handling which lets me carry the camera in my hands for a long time and I still get to take awesome pics even with the kit lens. I donno why people shit on the AF and Expeed 6 processor, like do they want their photos to be clicked artificially? The z50 seems a balanced camera for the budget.
I remember the Z6II & Z7II were dual processor and yes they were an improvement you need a new sensor and processor. That is why I usually skip the upgrade version and go with the next one after that. I do that with computers and video cards. I like the new Apple M4 Mac Mini. So the Z50II and APSC are coming without any IBIS but the lenses do have stabilization which should work with the camera. In this case you up the shutter count to counteract the shakiness. I like what Sony has implemented is Gyro. Records all of the movements and then process it to remove the shakiness and lack of stabilization through software. Even with cameras that have IBIS it doesn't look that stabilized and have wobbly sides. Unfortunately I am migrating to Full Frame and loving the performance and more mega pixels when cropping there is still enough MP to have wonderful photos that can do APSC perfectly. My local camera store is selling the Z50 with the kit lens 16-50mm for $750. The other three things that are important to me are Flash built in, No 30 minute Video record limit and Overheating since I live in a warm climate. Cheers!
It's interesting to read peoples different requirements which I wouldn't think of. But sure full frame is a lot better option but twice the price
@@RussandLoz I have been doing videos of the Z50 and am using tyhe Nikkor Z 50-250mm, 18-140mm which in my opinion would be the best all in one lens for DX Cameras. I am also using the Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 DX supposedly optically stabilized lens too. Problem with owning som many cameras trying to train your brain to press the record button in the right part of the device instead of ISO and EV ones. So I have watched Phil Thach and Matt Irwin's videos too and they have valid points. Love the new processor, do not need IBIS but it all comes down to Auto Focusing and Subject Detection which the old version lacks. Still takes excellent photos where cropped in that squirrel will be my thumbnail for the video. Cheers!
I like your point that this should have been a Zfcii. Then they could have made the Z50ii larger and with IBIS for the D500 replacement for wildlife and sports. Even my little Fujifilm X100VI has IBIS, but it is more expensive. I don't think the Z50ii is for me, but the tempting part would be to pair it with a 400mm f4.5 lens (or my old 500mm PF) for a super lightweight walk around wildlife setup. I think they owe the Z6iii owners an immediate firmware update with bird autofocus, because to put it in this camera and not the Z6iii is just absurd.
That would have been a good idea, but yeah they do make odd decisions, and hold back things which can easily go in higher modals, they did that when the ZF got released too
I'm thinking the first Z6III firmware update will be something special, like the first Z9 update, but we'll see...
I was positively surprised (although the lack of IBIS was one of the reasons why I sold my Z fc as I was expecting that the new generation DX would get IBIS). A D500 replacement must have IBIS and a faster sensor (I would be happy with the 20.9MP sensor if it becomes fully or partially stacked). I will wait. For now my mirrorless (Z8) backup remains a DSLR.
I am also waiting for my dream lens - a light weight (around 1.5kg) 300mm 2.8 TC (if Nikon would put a 1.7 built-in TC would be amazing!).
I ordered it to compliment my Z8. will put the 28 - 400 on it for walk around and drive by shooting. sure will be fun with the viltrox 20mm 2.8 for street
28-400 will be one mighty zoom on dx! Sounds fun!
No IBIS but only five DX lenses with VR. What's the deal? No prime lenses with fast aperture. 😢
Viltrox primes are excellent and affordable.
Depending on what your shooting interests are this camera may be a very good option. Firstly as a good travel camera on a budget with some wildlife/sport capabilities. I personally would buy it but I already have an older D5500 with a set of lenses which is a camera of the same concept and still delivers. But for a new buyer - it's a go.
To really improve my wildlife photography I need to go to Z6iii which has IBIS and better FPS and so on. So the Nikon marketing people calculated this properly - they pushed me to spend much more money to get out of the travel amateur segment )))
Which lens did you use to record the video? You both are separated very nicely from the background.
@@Fred-wb5nz Nikon 50 1.8 and yongnuo 85 1.8. Yeah I love the autumnal look atm
@@RussandLoz very nice. It gives a remarkably 3D rendering
Primarily shoot z8 / z6iii. Tried an xt-5 as the small travel companion, but the UX and AF were both wonky, sold it. So next up is the z50ii ... yes ibis and more mp would have been nice, but if I'm honest what I most want is good iq, solid af, and most of all small. Think this will fit the bill, plus can be a c camera on location. At any rate, cheap enough to try with little downside, optimistic.
Using kit lenses or full frame ones?
@@RussandLoz plan is to use a mix. I do have the kit lenses left from a z30, so they're an option. Probably some of the smaller full frame (like the 26 pancake, or even one of the 50s, etc); also ordered the sigma 30mm f1.4. Maybe some of the voigtlander z-mounts, or other m-mount adapted. That's the plan so far any way.
If already invested in the FF Z side with glass, batteries, memory cards I’d spend the extra $$ and get the Z6iii body over the 2 lens kit z50ii.
Yes the z6iii is much better but twice the price, for those on a budget or starting out, the z50ii might be the answer
If better af tracking, ibis, battery, lenses are a concern, Sony a6700 is the one.
is that dx and much price difference?
@RussandLoz Lens selection and tracking Af will justify the cost in long run.
For a Nikon user with F DX lenses, older manual lenses, or who wants a light and capable travel camera. No IBIS is a boomer. AF and Expeed 7 sounds like a decent upgrade.
The small sensor is fine for the use case and might reduce video overheating.
However, in 2024, the Sony 6X00 (or ZV-1/II) might still be a bit more interesting, while it has an industrial design. There are a plethora of AF lenses.
For the price, the feature set is good, though maybe not great; the Fuji X-S10 isn’t that much more expensive, and it does have IBIS.
I don’t mind the old sensor that much. Things like DR and noise haven’t really improved over the last 10 years, and this doesn’t have that much rolling shutter either from what I’ve seen.
I think it was a smart move to make it work as a webcam without any need to install software. I do think Nikon could use a higher-end APS-C model though.
As for competition from the Z5, I see these as two completely different cameras. This has better video and far and away better AF. The Z5 has IBIS and is FF. I was thinking that it might actually make sense as a second body beside the Z5, Z6 or Z7 (I or II), because then you have one body for general photography, and one crop body with great AF, pre-capture and speed for wildlife. The combination of both can solve a lot of problems. Though the fact that they use different batteries is a bit of a pain. And I’m not sure how intuitive it is to switch between bodies.
It never worked for me to have a cropped sensor mixed with full as it was a pain thinking about what lens is best. But would be interested to see how it worked as a wildlife option
@@RussandLoz The thing is, I’m on a D750 and I used that for wildlife as well. But I don’t want to take lenses bigger than a 100-400 with me. That’s sort of the limit for me when traveling. But 400mm is often a bit short, and the pixel density of the D750 when cropping in, isn’t so great. I was actually looking at maybe getting a D850 or even a Z8 if I would jump to mirrorless. Then you have more leeway to crop. However, especially a Z8 is not a cheap option. And there are other advantages to shooting with two bodies: you can leave one set up for landscapes, portraits, etc, and the other for wildlife. And you don’t have to swap lenses all the time either.
I just wish the bloody thing was weather sealed. :) And also that it used an EN-EL15.
Actually I found that Nikon says it is weather sealed to the same degree as the Z50, which they said is weather sealed to the same degree as the D7500. Not sure if that’s great but it is something. Guess I should fact-check things before repeating what other people say.
As you might have guessed from my other replies here, I don’t buy into the flash = no weather sealing idea. I took my Pentax K-3 with 60-250/4 to a zoo years ago. It was raining like hell. I did not cover the camera though, and just wiped the water off at the end of the day. It was no problem.
It seems to be quite a viable tool if you are in the market for a smaller form factor APSC camera. Would much prefer it over a Fuji R100x. But I own the Z6iii and as carry along a Leica Q, Sony RX1 and that tiny Sony RX100iii. No point expanding any further as I cannot establish a viable use case despite the camera's apparent qualities. That is one of the challenges for manufacturers: the market is rich with very good cameras even if they do not represent the latest of everything. Still, they enable us to produce excellent results and the rest can be left to software.
This camera isn't for people who are looking for a new D500. The specs and pricing solidly place it for beginners or those looking to do content creation. No professional build quality, no IBIS, small battery, single card slot etc etc. For the price I think these features are fine but much like the Z6 iii I don't think I felt that amazed. Still going to keep waiting for the true new D500. I would expect a new D500 to have Z8 build and specs but with fast readout crop sensor possibly allowing for faster framerates - at least match up to the R7 from Canon Nikon. Is should also use the same battery grip as the Z8. I think one of my major flacks for Nikon right now is that they still don't have RAW pre-capture and only JPEG for higher framerates.
Given Nikon recently had its ZF refurbished on sale for $1200 directly from them, I can’t see why I would buy a Z 50 II at all.
Sure, if I want to use DX crop, I’ll have fewer megapixels, but that little bit is worth having full frame and ibis, plus all the other features that come with the ZF
Yeah with used discount it's also a more difficult choice, though once the z50ii is out for a while that might be cheaper too
The Z50 ii's auto focus is reportedly much better and snappier. That could be one reason to get it over the ZF depending on the use case,
Lack of ibis and not using the en-el15c battery, was a mistake imo. I had the original Z50 and the battery life was terrible, I don't want multiple batteries just to get through the day. They need to release a top end DX camera, that'd be my next purchase.
With the power hungry new processor it'll be even worse for power! I can imagine
The z50 is too close a value proposition to the z5 on sale. Looks like the mk2 borrows body from z5. I came from Fujifilm x because medium format was too much and the x bodies are pushing prices and weight to the point FF seemed a better middle ground. Also converted manual lenses don’t require crop math.
I love the pace and interaction on your videos, feels like your down the pub discussing with mates. For me I'm not interested in the Z50 II, the only benefit is that its marginally lighter and to take advantage of that I'd have to use APS-C lenses, in which case I may as well look at something like the Sony A6700 which is much stronger for video.
Thanks, thats the feel we aim for, it takes a lot of time to get these videos made and edited so thanks
I agree that no IBIS was a miss on this one. Also I’m confused why they beefed up the grip but didn’t use that extra room for a bigger battery or a separate SD card slot. But it’s a good point that this would make a compelling wildlife camera. Let’s see someone stick a 200-500 on this thing and see what it can do!
Thats very true, bigger grip but small battery, strange
Nobody that reviewed this camera has mentioned weather sealing. With the ridiculous flash, it’s unlikely to have any level of water sealing. This alone will put off many wildlife photographers….
A replacement D500 this is not. I wonder if we will ever see one?
The autofocus is definitely much improved, but it is no Z6iii. The sensor and af module smaller size hinders the Expeed 7 boost.
If they ever replace the Z5, that will be the budget camera to buy.
@@300ShadesofGreen I assumed they will all be weather sealed but that’s a good point!
@@300ShadesofGreen I highly doubt that the presence of a popup flash impacts weather resistance. Or as Pentax would say: “hold my flash”.
@@300ShadesofGreen what AF module btw? You mean the sensor?
@@starbase218 Indeed. I am no expert, but unlike DSLR’s the AF module is built into/onto the sensor with mirrorless. I am happy to be corrected.
@@300ShadesofGreen It's hard to compare because even the number of AF points doesn't actually mean anything. These are just the selectable AF areas, and each area has a bunch of actual AF points under it. Thom Hogan has an article about this if you're interested.
I do wonder how fast the Z50 II sensor is. From what I read, that will impact AF performance. It's also why the ZF is worse than the Z6 III. The Z8 and Z9 have an added advantage with their stacked sensor, which enables an uninterrupted stream to the viewfinder and AF, and another stream to actually capture the image. Again, from what I read.
The worst mistake any manufacturer can make is to make a buying decision difficult. Canon and Sony have it right. Nikon always gets it wrong. I'll probably just get a better smartphone.
Yeah that's what I was supporting when I said they need to make it overpowered to stand out, otherwise it'll get lost
@RussandLoz BTW, it was a very nicely done review. Casual and real. I subscribed.
@@rich3419 Thanks, it takes a lot of time to make these videos so thanks for the support
I would get it for IRL streaming
@@skyfire369 Quite an expense just for streaming?
@@RussandLoz it's half the price of a FF camera with almost the same features. Zv-e10ii may be cheaper but doesn't have 4k60 and doesn't have RED luts. Oh and for some reason they gave bird eye detection to z50ii but not the z6iii.
Hopfully the new Z5 (2025) will have the same new processor and autofocus system as Z50II..... + etc.
would they they even bother with a z5 update? i doubt it , what for?
@@MrPetebuster1 They made one before so maybe it would fit again? But I guess the ZF is that camera?
That could be the d500 upgrade too
@@RussandLoz The zf is on its own, not a replacement for anything
@@MrPetebuster1 For a full frame in a lower price range. But... and update of Zfc could also be interesting. With the same autofocus as the 50 II......
I'm just here for all the "where's the D500 replacement!?" comments 😆
Whatever Nikon comes up with, half of you will b*tch & moan, and half of you won't. Out of the half that won't, I'd venture to guess 2-3% of you (generous) will plop down $2500-$3000 for a niche body (also generous, assuming a new fast stacked APSC sensor and most of the Z8/9 bells and whistles...).
The Z8 is $3500 (US) right now. Get a Z8 or get a Z6III (currently $2300), or stay with the D500 and just enjoy plenty of f-mount glass to choose from at a great price.
would like to see a side by side test between the 2 i suspect it will be the mirroless equivalent. Never understood the mirrorless replacement for a dslr? Made no sense
Yeah I agree I don't think Nikon can win really, but they do make some odd choices, in my opinion. No 35mm 1.2 for those who have been waiting but a 35mm 1.4 non-pro instead
People buy this things?
"its not for me"... Next video, i got a new camera 📸 z50ii! Russ has GAS just like me!!
No DX without IBIS for me! Been there done that. lol
Canon r8 is the same size and has full frame 😮
@@18yearsoldnot much price difference?
@ not on Cotswold cameras
It's a better battery on Z50 II...! Not much perphaps... but better..!
But with the power hungry processor, it might be worse overall?
@@RussandLoz Battery life, from the CIPA ratings, is not good at all. Barely any better than my RX100 V. Having said that, CIPA also uses flash for some shots if the camera has a flash. It could be that it’s much better without it.
@@RussandLoz But do we know, if the processor constantly is working in full capacity..?? When the camera is ON...
@ I bet it does a lot all the time to work out autofocus and exposure etc
It's a nice upgrade of the Z50. Definitely a step ahead of the D500 now, which it should be after so many years. The way these releases are getting dragged out, this one will probably be around for about 6 years. They're not going to spend the money on the DX format for a new IBIS unit. The camera market had shrunk so much as to make this non viable. If you want new sensors and IBIS then you need to pony up for one of the FX cameras.
Thats a good point about the market dropping out of the lower end, for now at least. But Fuji have that area I would think. It could have been Nikon's attempt too
@@RussandLoz Fuji are serious about APSC because they decided to skip 35mm. Nikon have never been really committed to DX - it was always a gateway drug to them, to lead people into the serious and profitable FX market. To me Nikon is quintesentially 35mm, ever since 1959 anf the Nikon F. (Please ignore the 2000-2010 decade 🙂)
Yes people are a bit delusional in their expectations. With every release, there's probaly less take up than the last one. So things get reduced
Soon as I learned no IBIS I was out!
@@picturetony9567 It seems an obvious feature to have, I wonder if they have something else planned
For the Z50 that you have and that you say you don't use. If you do anything where you use a webcam, then you can use the Z50 as a webcam. I have a Z30 which I use as a webcam. Will need to buy an HDMI to USB capture device. Which can be as cheap as $15 for a 1080p model. Or around $100 for an Elgato model. I use it with the Nikkor Z DX 24mm f/1.7 lens.
Cant we use any mirrorless camera for a webcam like that too?
@@RussandLoz You sure can! But I mentioned it, if wanting to find a use for the Z50 which was said to be rarely used. Since rarely used the camera can likely leave it mounted as a webcam for months.
@@johnvillalovos Actually, the Z50 II can directly work as a webcam via USB. No other software or hardware required.
@starbase218 but we are discussing the Z50 that is already owned. Not the II version.
@@johnvillalovos Ah ok, sorry.
Nikon please send Russ and Loz to Japan!
Yes !
It would be amazing as I've always wanted to go there! I think we need another 40k followers first
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Not great. Old sensor, no IBIS, crop factor on a crop factor camera for quality video, single card, the list goes on. Probably no waterproofing because of that goof-bag, useless, amateur flash. Nikon could have made this so much better. It's like two steps forward and one and a half steps backwards. Anyway, I don't care. After a decade of slumming it with Fuji, I hate APSC. Once you swap to quality FF on the Z's, you don't go backwards.
so you spent a decade using apsc before realising you hate it? ok that makes sense🤔.
@@philipsutton8921 “Probably no weatherproofing because of that goof-bag, useless, amateur flash”
Pentax: “hold my popup flash”
@@MrPetebuster1 Correct. I had a fortune invested in their lenses, so, at the time, it was too expensive for me to change systems. I kept hanging in there with their promise of better bodies to come. I'd buy the next body, but still basically no change. I knew for a long time that Fuji was rubbish, but it was only about 2-3 years ago, I was financial enough to changes systems. Now I have two Nikon Z bodies and 8 of their lenses. Man what a difference - night and day!
I just sometimes wish Z50 also had N-log and 10 bit video recording 🥲