The problem with resto shaman is that it's pretty good on all of the easy bosses but does absolutely nothing later in the raid. That makes the overall graph look a lot better than it actually is. Furthermore resto shaman does either passable healing and zero dps or descent dps but really bad healing while all other healers have a lot of passive or relatively free damage (PI, Fire Breath, Holy Fire and of course attacking while healing).
Ever since I found out you're a singer I want you to just once sing the tier grade in the same note. Sing "high C" in a high C... While drinking a juice box of hi-c
One of the main reasons why arcane is so good this raid is because their cds line up perfectly on basically all the hard fights (cds for every shield on rasz, cds for every platform on dathea etc) and there is a lot of opportunities for funnel (dathea, kurog, eranog, rasz, broodkeeper if assigned to adds) in this raid, which arcane is extremely good at. So the good performance of the spec is more based on raid design rather than tuning. Its a very difficult spec to play on a lot of the fights tho, so wouldnt be surprised if it falls down a bit on dps rankings once more ppl clear the mythic bosses. You can already kinda see this if u look at arcane's position at 95th percentile rankings (5th on all bosses) and at 70th percentile rankings (11th on all bosses)
This sounds extremely stupid because it can be said about any spec but brew master scales incredibly well with gear. Early on without BiS gear and trinkets, it was sketchy but now everything is so clean and every item upgrade just makes it cleaner.
@@zeitz4473 I was exaggerating a bit but this sheet has a tab for PI gain which shows UH gains more docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#
It's difficult to say what is the best. Because in these simulations Demo only gets PI 2 times because of 3 min CD (Nether portal). So it very much depends on the length of the encounter and the specific scenario you're dealing with. You cannot just say X is best for PI. These simulations also show that PI is bad for Arcane which is simply not true.
Check out the overall mythic rankings , shamans gotta have the highest % of 1600 + ez. Shamans also have Astral Shift with a reduced cooldown in talents. With Healing tide totem , as well as ancestral guidance which keeps party up. this is only enhancment spec. Heal also has Earthern Wall that is a def for the whole party. Alot more than one defensive. My main is a hunter on Mal'ganis currently 1900 and can easily say hunter is squishier.
Problem I see with this tier list of tier lists is that you nitpick specific parts without any concerns of the disclaimers those YTbers are making while presenting their tier lists. Perfect exemple would be how you only took the final tally of TLF from MarcelianOnline into consideration without any of their disclaimers.
i got invited to a group yesterday and was then told my spec (ele) is dawg shit according to some guy named max and now some guy named max appears... they're not wrong :( the damage difference feels bad
I respect your attitude towards the cringe youtube intro / clickbait picture stuff. I don't blame people for doing it as I understand it's the algorithm and they're on the grind but I appreciate that you don't do it (or at least do it very carefully)
To me it feels like frost dk, doesn't actually pull great numbers. Maybe with breath, but obliteration aoe is not good, the sims say it's good, but in my experience, iv'e always done way better with basically any other melee class.
When marcellianOnline makes tiers list it’s not just dps they go for it’s also usually how fun the class is it’s a 50 50 type of thing which is why it seems off
Bro we got a 40% damage buff to Crusader Strike and IT STILL DOES LESS DAMAGE THAN FROZEN DEVOTION, A WEAPON ENCHANT Although Rets fucking CLAP m+. Like the Radiant Decree build just dunks on m+ so hard.
@@hvirdberg8532 You are literally arguing against yourself. all the people he had talking about the tierlists are people that are in the top elite of the classes. Arte you a casual normal raid player goign to argue against a guiy that does world firsts? You do hear how silly that sounds?
Moonkin is definitely S tier in high M+. They do insane damage! More overall than any of the S tier specs.. and their utility is some of the best in the game. Tettles face deserves to be in swamp ass just for placing Moonkin in C tier for M+.
I think most of the hate for Ret is pvp with wanting another gap closer/speed. Things I don't like is I feel like I tickle everything while mashing everything I have lol, plus the defensives are weak, and Ret Aura is dumb.
my biggest takeaway from this is im glad people are honest about DH now. it was absolutely not the powerhouse that everyone acted like it was. Now people just need to apologize to jedith for the gross things they were saying behind his back because of his ranking
Nah, it was DDDD on beta at the time that tier list video was made, in M+ at least. DDDD in M+ and A in raid should at least be an S, but people also hadn't seen that much of the raid then, compared to open PTR weekends for Mythic+.
I feel like Devastation is made explicitly for being a healer offspec. You don't even have to learn much new stuff if you learn Prevo first. Having said that I still enjoy flapping around as a Devoker, it's not hard but feels good.
The rage behind “same glasses” 😂😂
He's in the same room too!!!
Asmongold viewers starving for attention
@@MrBlueSleeves rich campbell viewers had to migrate somewhere
idk why this made me laugh so hard too
Madskillz is legit. He deserves more followers
A tier list of tier lists... We have transcended to the next dimension
Re: the Tettles/Dratnos M+ tier, the reason boomkin was lower was they cant talent kick w/o losing a lot of dmg
The problem with resto shaman is that it's pretty good on all of the easy bosses but does absolutely nothing later in the raid. That makes the overall graph look a lot better than it actually is. Furthermore resto shaman does either passable healing and zero dps or descent dps but really bad healing while all other healers have a lot of passive or relatively free damage (PI, Fire Breath, Holy Fire and of course attacking while healing).
Ever since I found out you're a singer I want you to just once sing the tier grade in the same note. Sing "high C" in a high C... While drinking a juice box of hi-c
Cries in Affliction
Keep in mind that the Enhance B ranking was straight after they received the 25% nerf and before any compensation buffs
One of the main reasons why arcane is so good this raid is because their cds line up perfectly on basically all the hard fights (cds for every shield on rasz, cds for every platform on dathea etc) and there is a lot of opportunities for funnel (dathea, kurog, eranog, rasz, broodkeeper if assigned to adds) in this raid, which arcane is extremely good at. So the good performance of the spec is more based on raid design rather than tuning. Its a very difficult spec to play on a lot of the fights tho, so wouldnt be surprised if it falls down a bit on dps rankings once more ppl clear the mythic bosses. You can already kinda see this if u look at arcane's position at 95th percentile rankings (5th on all bosses) and at 70th percentile rankings (11th on all bosses)
Jedith made it into a Maximum video. Actually insane
This sounds extremely stupid because it can be said about any spec but brew master scales incredibly well with gear. Early on without BiS gear and trinkets, it was sketchy but now everything is so clean and every item upgrade just makes it cleaner.
"Demo is best PI" *cries in unholy gaining 5% more*
How do you calculate the 5%? Do you mean overall dps or peak dps or wdym?
@@zeitz4473 I was exaggerating a bit but this sheet has a tab for PI gain which shows UH gains more docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#
Pretty sure he said "one OF THE best PIs"
It's difficult to say what is the best. Because in these simulations Demo only gets PI 2 times because of 3 min CD (Nether portal). So it very much depends on the length of the encounter and the specific scenario you're dealing with. You cannot just say X is best for PI. These simulations also show that PI is bad for Arcane which is simply not true.
@@kasper1241 you can compare UH and Demo though, because UH also takes 3 min PI for Garg
Sham has like 1 defensive, they're somehow more squishy than hunters
Check out the overall mythic rankings , shamans gotta have the highest % of 1600 + ez. Shamans also have Astral Shift with a reduced cooldown in talents. With Healing tide totem , as well as ancestral guidance which keeps party up. this is only enhancment spec. Heal also has Earthern Wall that is a def for the whole party. Alot more than one defensive. My main is a hunter on Mal'ganis currently 1900 and can easily say hunter is squishier.
Laughs in Evoker
"Riku beat the absolute shit out of the boss"
Laughed for 1 minute
Destro and aff buffs now push the specs above demo
Thanks Max for doing what you do best!!!!!!! ❤
You know what in the intro to maxs tierlist, max looks like bubbles from trailer park boys
Hey Max! Loved this video :D keep it up kid
"if unholy had 6 more talent points it would be better"
and if I had wheels I'd be a bicycle xD
Problem I see with this tier list of tier lists is that you nitpick specific parts without any concerns of the disclaimers those YTbers are making while presenting their tier lists. Perfect exemple would be how you only took the final tally of TLF from MarcelianOnline into consideration without any of their disclaimers.
i got invited to a group yesterday and was then told my spec (ele) is dawg shit according to some guy named max and now some guy named max appears... they're not wrong :( the damage difference feels bad
Love your content brother, always a good watch in q.
Our havoc boy Jedith was right!
Almost.
Yo dawg, heard you like tier lists.
I cannot unsee Tettles in the tub....
Waiting for the tierlists of tierlist tierlists.
Where'd you get that sweater in your original tier list video? Looks good.
Do a tier list of clickbait thumbnail faces
isnt that enh rank in your tire list bast on its bad tire set befor the rework of it?
I respect your attitude towards the cringe youtube intro / clickbait picture stuff. I don't blame people for doing it as I understand it's the algorithm and they're on the grind but I appreciate that you don't do it (or at least do it very carefully)
next lvl ^^
When's the "clickbait face tier list" coming?
25 dps specs, 20 raid slots total.
Hmmm.
Same glasses
Ret finally got a raid slot. That ret aura is gonna be sick
PET THE DOG MAX!
To me it feels like frost dk, doesn't actually pull great numbers.
Maybe with breath, but obliteration aoe is not good, the sims say it's good, but in my experience, iv'e always done way better with basically any other melee class.
Anyone know what keyboard, mouse etc. Max is using ?
average boomie xD if boomies say they are to weak /ignore, if feral thinks its finalyl good the nerf bat crushers their head xD
When marcellianOnline makes tiers list it’s not just dps they go for it’s also usually how fun the class is it’s a 50 50 type of thing which is why it seems off
49:01 people that ask for subs before the video is obnoxious. How would I know if I should sub to you before the video plays?
Bro we got a 40% damage buff to Crusader Strike and IT STILL DOES LESS DAMAGE THAN FROZEN DEVOTION, A WEAPON ENCHANT
Although Rets fucking CLAP m+. Like the Radiant Decree build just dunks on m+ so hard.
xyro nailed it with arcane mage :^)
This is the same man that ranked Frost higher than Arcane in Sanctum because "sustained damage has been better in every raid ever.".
@@JaredKelso123 wtf really I don’t think I saw that video. LOL the thumb needs to stick to warlock
Dead wrong on arms its on par with fury for keys and is ahead in raid
I love how Casual players disagree with a pro lmao
Yes because being a professional at something doesn't mean you're always right.
@@ReactAndy77 Yet he will know more about this game then you ever will
@@kimtollefsen4078 just look at all these socalled "pros" tierlists and understand how wrong most of them were.
@@hvirdberg8532 You are literally arguing against yourself. all the people he had talking about the tierlists are people that are in the top elite of the classes. Arte you a casual normal raid player goign to argue against a guiy that does world firsts? You do hear how silly that sounds?
@@kimtollefsen4078 makes 0 sense. The top players can clearly be wrong, which this video shows.
Moonkin is definitely S tier in high M+. They do insane damage! More overall than any of the S tier specs.. and their utility is some of the best in the game. Tettles face deserves to be in swamp ass just for placing Moonkin in C tier for M+.
you were beaten by the best
I think most of the hate for Ret is pvp with wanting another gap closer/speed. Things I don't like is I feel like I tickle everything while mashing everything I have lol, plus the defensives are weak, and Ret Aura is dumb.
Ret is least completion rate in mythic plus... pretty poo
my biggest takeaway from this is im glad people are honest about DH now. it was absolutely not the powerhouse that everyone acted like it was. Now people just need to apologize to jedith for the gross things they were saying behind his back because
of his ranking
Nah, it was DDDD on beta at the time that tier list video was made, in M+ at least. DDDD in M+ and A in raid should at least be an S, but people also hadn't seen that much of the raid then, compared to open PTR weekends for Mythic+.
I feel like Devastation is made explicitly for being a healer offspec. You don't even have to learn much new stuff if you learn Prevo first.
Having said that I still enjoy flapping around as a Devoker, it's not hard but feels good.
MarcelianOnline got salty over you ranking them as "random youtuber". DRAMA TIME? Rofl
There is literally almost no ferals in raid or m+. And you are overrating boomkins.
Ya I did some raiding recently as feral. It didn’t feel good for sure lol.
Those two dudes you showed at the end are always sooooooooo fucking off with their takes its actually hilarious that ppl take them serious
LOL 6 seconds post upload
I'm deaaad dude. Why are us hunters literally the WORST class in the game =[
you cant say healer balenc isnt bad like com on mw is so low on healing when all thy have is healing and ww bring all the other monk utility
Havoc is so over rated seriously
first
Bro demo is turbo S
This was so useless, I have no words...
Dead game
Dead comment
dead Game but enough that u still comment on a wow related video
Christ the discrepancy between arcane and frost/fire is... wow.