Wow! I wish that would have been available when I was a student. I was a student when Luhmanns magnum opus came out “Social Systems” took me two years to muster the courage to read it together with two other students and it took all our three brains to wrap our heads around it. It was worth every second.
Something we were never taught in high school! Something we could have used in high school and college and beyond. I am reading his book right now. This presentation made the ideas much clearer for me.
Is this really better than anki? I have been using that for 2 years and sometimes get insights with those flashcards. Then I make new card out of that.
I have a doubt in writing notes and slip box,First of all I want to write Fleeting notes which mean during reading a book or learning something writing of what actually I think of it During reading like open minded then After completing that passage or chapter I want to write Literature notes like Topic and Sub Topics And Quotes in one side and That meaning definition with small and with my own words not copy paste in other side then I want to Give that A heading ,A name to find it convenient and orderise it like 1@ 2@ etc.. then I want to Read the Fleeting mote and The Literature note and Write the Main note of What I am interested in that ,What I was learned ,What I felt wrong or right ,Is some Idea I created new from what I learning and With my Thinking? Is that idea useful to me in anyway ? Like that and Name that note exact same as Literature with some kind of differ to find that this is Main note of my ideas .Then I want to throw away the Fleeting note and Put the Main note and Literature note in the Slip box,right?
At 16:40 his slide says there are three main types of notes: Fleeting, Project-related, and Permanent. But in his dialogue he seems to describe four: those three, plus “Literature notes”. Is “Project-related notes” just another name for “Literature notes”? Or are “Literature notes” a sub-type of “Permanent notes” (or vice-versa)? Or what?
in his book, ahrens describes literature or reference notes as a sub-type of permanent notes seems like a fourth type would have been appropriate since he suggests keeping literature notes separate from the other permanent notes
There's a tendency to equate Smart Notes with Luhmann's Zettelkasten as though there are one and the same. Yes, similarities, but are they really one and the same? Scott P. Scheper's Antinet system seems closer to Luhmann's Zettelkasten than Smart Notes. Or am I missing something here?
I don't think you will find any. Even if you will buy some note taking courses from self-advertised experts who are shaving the sheeps, it doesn't mean you will get the value out of them. This note taking thing is really personal thing. Brains of every human work differently. One thing you can do, is to start to make small simple atomic notes. Don't be afraid of volume. Atomic notes will enable better compose-ability and reuse. Don't bloat them with stilling and what not. Just a heading and some text or bullet points. Then basic metadata like timestamp, tags and some links to other notes. Don't implement ANY folder structure. It will lead you into the trap of "Where should i place this note? In Health or Recipes folder?". All your knowledge is just one big pool of interconnected notes. Like a real brain. You can reference from anywhere to anywhere. After a while... (~1000 notes) you will start to see some patterns bubbling up. And those will be exactly YOUR patterns. Not somebodies else frameworks. If you start simple, you can't go wrong! As flat and as simple as you can. P.S. I am using Obsidian and VimWiki at the same time.
@@BIGJ4898 Atomicity means that every note (file) is small. It contains just a one idea/thought. Basically if you see yourself writing bunch of ##, ###, ####, etc paragraphs into single note then IMO it is a smell. It means you are trying to put in a single note too much. You will not be able quickly scan the entire note. It will be hard to reference to this note as it will be too broad. When your note is small... a single idea, concept, whatever... you can link to this note from different places. But... atomicity does not apply to the "Article", "Book" kind of notes. When you write a entire article, then you are composing it from many smaller notes or referencing to them. So... articles for sure will be big/er. Atomicity enables better composability.
I was really disappointed to hear that the author of the book is not able to successfully use this system for his own work! seems like there is a lot of analysis of how this note taking system works but very few people are actually having the daily discipline to use it in the long term. perhaps this is another sign of our societies digital ADHD and lack of ability for deep thinking due to information overload.
Wow! I wish that would have been available when I was a student. I was a student when Luhmanns magnum opus came out “Social Systems” took me two years to muster the courage to read it together with two other students and it took all our three brains to wrap our heads around it. It was worth every second.
This is so good! I love his approach of reversing the idea of not starting before having ideas to starting or researching and then get the ideas.
This is insanely good. The FIRST time that I have understood Zettelkasten and why I love doing it with Roam Research. Thank you Sönke!
So why didn't I find this information earlier in life?!? 🤔
Well, well, better now than later 🧐🙏
Love this video! Thanks for posting!
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This is so good!!! Very inspiring!!!
This is such valuable talk!
Very good overview. Thanks a lot
Something we were never taught in high school! Something we could have used in high school and college and beyond.
I am reading his book right now. This presentation made the ideas much clearer for me.
Thank you for uploading that.
4:01 - Richard Feynman's concept of taking notes and thinking.
- This reminds me of "Thinking on paper" of Jean Moroney.
Thank you for sharing about Thinking on paper" of Jean Moroney -- will read more about it.
I've been using this for a few months. I thought I preferred paper and pen but now I have no space. So, I'm trying to digitize it.
Is there any way for me to add a Korean subtitle to this video? I'd love to do it and share this video with my co-workers
Thank you!
Awesome!
Elaboration is what makes learning
Obsidian and roam research I feel are running with this idea.
Love roam, nearly a year in and I love it
Yes. I can't figure out which of them would be best to invest my time and work in.
@@DonDealio Obsidan, because it is free and not cloud based
Remnote is another good one. I use it all the time.
None of them are open source though...
superb
"what you thought you already learned"
Thanks.
Is this really better than anki? I have been using that for 2 years and sometimes get insights with those flashcards. Then I make new card out of that.
try andy matuschak's concept of evergreen notes where he implements spaced repetition to make his notes become "evergreen"
I have a doubt in writing notes and slip box,First of all I want to write Fleeting notes which mean during reading a book or learning something writing of what actually I think of it During reading like open minded then After completing that passage or chapter I want to write Literature notes like Topic and Sub Topics And Quotes in one side and That meaning definition with small and with my own words not copy paste in other side then I want to Give that A heading ,A name to find it convenient and orderise it like 1@ 2@ etc.. then I want to Read the Fleeting mote and The Literature note and Write the Main note of What I am interested in that ,What I was learned ,What I felt wrong or right ,Is some Idea I created new from what I learning and With my Thinking? Is that idea useful to me in anyway ? Like that and Name that note exact same as Literature with some kind of differ to find that this is Main note of my ideas .Then I want to throw away the Fleeting note and Put the Main note and Literature note in the Slip box,right?
@@verkanntoderverwunschen thank you so much for letting me clear,have a great day and Spread Positive Vibes😇
At 16:40 his slide says there are three main types of notes: Fleeting, Project-related, and Permanent. But in his dialogue he seems to describe four: those three, plus “Literature notes”. Is “Project-related notes” just another name for “Literature notes”? Or are “Literature notes” a sub-type of “Permanent notes” (or vice-versa)? Or what?
in his book, ahrens describes literature or reference notes as a sub-type of permanent notes
seems like a fourth type would have been appropriate since he suggests keeping literature notes separate from the other permanent notes
I am experimenting with putting literature into fleeting. Then reworking them into permanent.
External scaffolding for Thinking and work
Perfect thats what it is. Exploring simplicity to build complexity.
There's a tendency to equate Smart Notes with Luhmann's Zettelkasten as though there are one and the same. Yes, similarities, but are they really one and the same? Scott P. Scheper's Antinet system seems closer to Luhmann's Zettelkasten than Smart Notes. Or am I missing something here?
Do any programs achieve this now?
There are many. Obsidian is one of the most popular. It is free for personal use too.
I believe "Obsidian" does, though I haven't used it myself.
how do u link notes though?
Notion or obsidian
"Zettelkasten is surprising easy... ".
Most complicated explanation on how to take notes ever.
Maan, just say "do this and this". Done.
I know, right? ))
For Germans that's the easy way 😃
Needs a concrete example...
Every source I can find on the internet needs a concrete example. Seriously.
I don't think you will find any.
Even if you will buy some note taking courses from self-advertised experts who are shaving the sheeps, it doesn't mean you will get the value out of them.
This note taking thing is really personal thing. Brains of every human work differently.
One thing you can do, is to start to make small simple atomic notes. Don't be afraid of volume. Atomic notes will enable better compose-ability and reuse. Don't bloat them with stilling and what not. Just a heading and some text or bullet points. Then basic metadata like timestamp, tags and some links to other notes. Don't implement ANY folder structure. It will lead you into the trap of "Where should i place this note? In Health or Recipes folder?". All your knowledge is just one big pool of interconnected notes. Like a real brain. You can reference from anywhere to anywhere.
After a while... (~1000 notes) you will start to see some patterns bubbling up. And those will be exactly YOUR patterns. Not somebodies else frameworks.
If you start simple, you can't go wrong! As flat and as simple as you can.
P.S. I am using Obsidian and VimWiki at the same time.
@@Oswee Thanks for the explaination. I have problems understanding what atomicity in notes really means, could you elaborate on that ab bit?
@@BIGJ4898 Atomicity means that every note (file) is small. It contains just a one idea/thought. Basically if you see yourself writing bunch of ##, ###, ####, etc paragraphs into single note then IMO it is a smell. It means you are trying to put in a single note too much. You will not be able quickly scan the entire note. It will be hard to reference to this note as it will be too broad.
When your note is small... a single idea, concept, whatever... you can link to this note from different places.
But... atomicity does not apply to the "Article", "Book" kind of notes. When you write a entire article, then you are composing it from many smaller notes or referencing to them. So... articles for sure will be big/er.
Atomicity enables better composability.
@@Oswee That helped, thank you very much! 🙏
I was really disappointed to hear that the author of the book is not able to successfully use this system for his own work! seems like there is a lot of analysis of how this note taking system works but very few people are actually having the daily discipline to use it in the long term. perhaps this is another sign of our societies digital ADHD and lack of ability for deep thinking due to information overload.
Asking...how do you know the author has not used Zettelkasten to write the book?
Interesting talk but got put off a bit by the overly British accent. Sounds fake.