I’d agree but the main and flex support part is kind of misleading. The more important distinction for new players to know is the difference between high healing supports like Baptiste, Ana, Moira, and Mercy, and low healing supports like Zenyatta, Lucio, Brigitte, and Kiriko.
@@azure5644 Disagree. Supports are ill-defined as healers, and identifying them by their healing output endorses the 'healer' narrative. Besides that point, healing output is a poor metric for support performance anyway. I'd argue that low Elo supports don't struggle with healing; they struggle with identifying and taking advantage of situations where healing isn't necessary.
Honestly it would be great if videos like this one became an integrated part of the Overwatch game, like an extension of the "introduction / tutorial" section of the game, they could have segment called "community tips and tricks" or something like that, where valued community members could have their content reviewed and posted on the site. It would do so much good for new players to have these resources readily available.
Great video. However the Main- and Flex/off-Support is a term that got used in coordinated teams and originated from the early days of Overwatch, before there was a role lock. In this times there was a main support who mainly played support and a flexible player that could also play for example Damage. Nowadays you are right, the community understands it more as you mentioned.
The definition of Main and Flex Support seems to differ based on who u ask (some can say it's an outdated or not needed term in OW2) . Some say : the mechanically demanding Supports are flex and the others are main . Others say Supports that can pressure the opponents with high dmg and strong CD are Flex and the others that enable the team are Main Supports . Others say , the main Support is the one u pick around ur Tank and DPS picks , to enable ur strategy (like a Lucio with Rein) , and the second Support is the Flex , and the Flex Support player can change based on the situation.
If you take the origin of the term to be correct, then what SVB stated is the only correct definition of main/flex support. As he put it, they are terms defined by the pro meta. Any further explanation of those terms are justifications in hindsight of why certain characters belong in one category or the other. As for its relevance, it seems that a lot of what makes a main/flex support has carried over from OW1 to OW2 based on the metas developing in pro play. And pro support players are still categorized by their main/flex hero pools.
SVB, I don’t know if you have ever seen the page SSBM Tutorials, but I used to watch it a lot when I was more into Melee before Overwatch. Your style in this video reminds me of those which are also super well made. Great content for learning the game.
even as someone who has been playing overwatch for years and knew all of the terms, I really liked this video! Especially the main/flex support explanation since those terms kind of lost their meanings by now, with people using main heal/off heal more as it has a clearer meaning. Really interested in the next videos of the overwatch dictionary!
ngl I didn't really play many fps games before OW, bar L4D but thats more pve, so these things I didn't understand for ages. I know I would have liked a video like this when I was new, so I hope this helps newer players too! Great vid as always :)
two suggestions: i wish you had pointed out that there are multiple spawn doors, so if a team is spawn-camping then they should be aware that they should watch more than one door. and also that the people in spawn should be aware that they have more than the one main exit. i wish you had mentioned that (to my knowledge) main support does not mean "main healer" or "the support player that should be heal-botting", as i think some people the idea that that's what a "main support's" job is. (and that's incorrect, right?)
A way blizzard could force this is, have this be on the game to view for studies..or if they gotta to make money how about a streamers battle pass...items and outfits made for some big streamers and have it be a season about studying the best and then make all streamers make educational vids
The main and flex support part is kind of misleading. The more important distinction for new players to know is the difference between high healing supports like Baptiste, Ana, Moira, and Mercy, and low healing supports like Zenyatta, Lucio, Brigitte, and Kiriko.
This is such a valuable resource! Thanks a lot SVB. Honestly you're easily one of the most valuable people in this community. Not only is this very informative for beginners, but I think many intermediate players could also learn at least something from it. I think this stuff should really be taught by the game itself, or by the developers, but thankfully we have people like you to take up the task of teaching this relatively complex game.
I think one point of clarity for the community regarding the last point, is when people misuse the main and flex support terms. Usually it will get called out as main and off heals, which just means which support is providing the most healing, and which is providing the extra 'benefits'. Like during the last weeks of OW1, Brig and Zen were the meta healers for high ranked play, but in lower ranks, they were both 'off heals' and wouldn't work as a combo. While having two 'main heals' also wasn't great because you lacked the utility of the others.
Great. Now to get the scrubs in my matches to understand these terms and how to actually fkn play the game. Tired of arguing with idiots who insist on playing a certain way thinking its right when it isnt
I came here for slang and watched the whole video for stuff I've known for years lmao great video dude really well done can't wait to see the slang vid
Now tell Blizzard to force every new player to watch this video
This vid should be part of the FTUE.
I’d agree but the main and flex support part is kind of misleading. The more important distinction for new players to know is the difference between high healing supports like Baptiste, Ana, Moira, and Mercy, and low healing supports like Zenyatta, Lucio, Brigitte, and Kiriko.
@@azure5644 burst and pocket
@@azure5644 Disagree. Supports are ill-defined as healers, and identifying them by their healing output endorses the 'healer' narrative.
Besides that point, healing output is a poor metric for support performance anyway. I'd argue that low Elo supports don't struggle with healing; they struggle with identifying and taking advantage of situations where healing isn't necessary.
@@Bluemansonic Absolutely terms that can be in a future video.
Honestly it would be great if videos like this one became an integrated part of the Overwatch game, like an extension of the "introduction / tutorial" section of the game, they could have segment called "community tips and tricks" or something like that, where valued community members could have their content reviewed and posted on the site. It would do so much good for new players to have these resources readily available.
it blew my tiny little mind when OW2 dropped and the Tutorial was identical to the one from OW1. absolutely blizzarre choice by Blizz.
It could be animated with mercy or Winston as the teacher
so many more people need to watch videos like this before even thinking to play comp.
Thanks for making them
Great video. However the Main- and Flex/off-Support is a term that got used in coordinated teams and originated from the early days of Overwatch, before there was a role lock. In this times there was a main support who mainly played support and a flexible player that could also play for example Damage. Nowadays you are right, the community understands it more as you mentioned.
If you ever do an update to this video, you should include "dry fight" in your description of baiting ultimates. You described it perfectly already!
The definition of Main and Flex Support seems to differ based on who u ask (some can say it's an outdated or not needed term in OW2) .
Some say : the mechanically demanding Supports are flex and the others are main .
Others say Supports that can pressure the opponents with high dmg and strong CD are Flex and the others that enable the team are Main Supports .
Others say , the main Support is the one u pick around ur Tank and DPS picks , to enable ur strategy (like a Lucio with Rein) , and the second Support is the Flex , and the Flex Support player can change based on the situation.
If you take the origin of the term to be correct, then what SVB stated is the only correct definition of main/flex support. As he put it, they are terms defined by the pro meta. Any further explanation of those terms are justifications in hindsight of why certain characters belong in one category or the other.
As for its relevance, it seems that a lot of what makes a main/flex support has carried over from OW1 to OW2 based on the metas developing in pro play. And pro support players are still categorized by their main/flex hero pools.
i quite literally searched for a key term video for months, and i’ve only just now found this on my home page
Great stuff here SVB. Clear, concise and understandable
Love that smooth podcast plug
Sent this to the guys I talked into playing OW2 with me. They’re loving it but they have so much to learn. This is great.
As a new player, constantly hearing CC, Peel, GOATS, and Flex Support drove me mad with no one bothering to explain what it is. Thanks!
SVB, I don’t know if you have ever seen the page SSBM Tutorials, but I used to watch it a lot when I was more into Melee before Overwatch. Your style in this video reminds me of those which are also super well made. Great content for learning the game.
Trip down memory lane
even as someone who has been playing overwatch for years and knew all of the terms, I really liked this video! Especially the main/flex support explanation since those terms kind of lost their meanings by now, with people using main heal/off heal more as it has a clearer meaning. Really interested in the next videos of the overwatch dictionary!
I just started playing last week and this video has been super helpful, thank you!
ngl I didn't really play many fps games before OW, bar L4D but thats more pve, so these things I didn't understand for ages. I know I would have liked a video like this when I was new, so I hope this helps newer players too! Great vid as always :)
Very informative & well put together video SVB!
Love the content SVB as always, you have such a clear and concise way you explains things its brilliant
Excellent idea. Yiska and Vollamel have been speaking about the importance for this in TCP for a while!
Needed this 🤯!
I’ve played overwatch for a while so I assume by perception is skewed here but your explanation of the terms is very clear and concise. Well done!
PSA, Sym mains would like you to understand "Group Up" also means follow her for teleporter. Also bind your damn action keys already. lol
This is a great help; I learned a lot! Thank you!
Awesome video SVB, I’ve been playing this game for years but found this to be very refreshing
Super useful video as always!
very professionally produced and explained, very streamlined
Awesome video, thank you!!
Make em all shorts! Then I can share them with my friends pretty please ☺️
Fucking THANK YOU for including main and flex support.
there is only one word I need to know for my games and that's throwing
At 11:54 he talks about the Cassidy flanking on him but he does to the dva bomb terrible mistake there
The amount of people IN DIAMOND (and plat) that don’t understand “just L.O.S.” is crazy
Please take the Flex/Main support part and put it on every platform possible. NOBODY knows what it means, i didnt know either tbh.
This was awesome and so well done!!!
First I have to convince most my teamates to stay on high ground
i got linked this video with a timestamp from my support duo bcs I dont peel him enough LOL
A way that I’ve explained flex and main supports is that (generally speaking) flex supports require more aim than main supports
That's a horrible way to differentiate the two. It may be true, but that is by no means the reason for why they are different.
two suggestions:
i wish you had pointed out that there are multiple spawn doors, so if a team is spawn-camping then they should be aware that they should watch more than one door. and also that the people in spawn should be aware that they have more than the one main exit.
i wish you had mentioned that (to my knowledge) main support does not mean "main healer" or "the support player that should be heal-botting", as i think some people the idea that that's what a "main support's" job is. (and that's incorrect, right?)
This should be mandatory before you're allowed to play unranked
I have been playing this game since launch, i have learnt nothing, why am i here, idk
But what does feeding mean?
A way blizzard could force this is, have this be on the game to view for studies..or if they gotta to make money how about a streamers battle pass...items and outfits made for some big streamers and have it be a season about studying the best and then make all streamers make educational vids
Next can you explain the words Freedo uses? I swear he makes up a new word every few months. E.g. "mark", "midfight", "manscaping".
Just put this video in the game
Main and flex support is one of the most confusing terms. Usually noone agrees on the meaning so it's useless to use.
The main and flex support part is kind of misleading. The more important distinction for new players to know is the difference between high healing supports like Baptiste, Ana, Moira, and Mercy, and low healing supports like Zenyatta, Lucio, Brigitte, and Kiriko.
TF your audio so quiet for?
Way to go! You should look into using a service such as Promo-SM!
This is such a valuable resource! Thanks a lot SVB. Honestly you're easily one of the most valuable people in this community.
Not only is this very informative for beginners, but I think many intermediate players could also learn at least something from it.
I think this stuff should really be taught by the game itself, or by the developers, but thankfully we have people like you to take up the task of teaching this relatively complex game.
SVB: This is why high ground is important in Overwatch
(Insert Happy Obi Wan noises ;))
I think one point of clarity for the community regarding the last point, is when people misuse the main and flex support terms. Usually it will get called out as main and off heals, which just means which support is providing the most healing, and which is providing the extra 'benefits'.
Like during the last weeks of OW1, Brig and Zen were the meta healers for high ranked play, but in lower ranks, they were both 'off heals' and wouldn't work as a combo. While having two 'main heals' also wasn't great because you lacked the utility of the others.
Yee I got 6k hours on ow and I thought your interpretation was the right one🤣😭 Idk what is right anymore
common SVB W
"ana 1" "mercy 1" WHAT DOES IT MEAN>!?!!
Da king is back baby he neva miss
Very informative video SVB! This will definitely help newer players 🙂
Main Support / Main Healer comment from someone with 2000 hrs of Overwatch in 3,2,1...
This gotta go on the launcher man.
Great. Now to get the scrubs in my matches to understand these terms and how to actually fkn play the game.
Tired of arguing with idiots who insist on playing a certain way thinking its right when it isnt
Sharing this on Reddit communities 🤞🏻
Wait brig a main healer in 2023??
I came here for slang and watched the whole video for stuff I've known for years lmao great video dude really well done can't wait to see the slang vid
Target focus is the biggest problem I find i my games.
You and a few others that you link with make me load up Overwatch 2
Please everybody watch this…
That Group Up plug was so smooth I love it
Feeding
The description and analysis suppored by montage of game situation remind me of the Soak.
Awesome idea for a vid, much love bro