*WHAT HAPPENED* A reserve premature opening definitely puts the "X" in XRW. These guys were in the middle of a sick XRW jump where everything was going according to plan (we’re going to skip over the part when they busted through the clouds, haha!). As the canopy pilot's feet pulled up on the wingsuiter's chest strap, it popped the reserve pin and the reserve pilot chute deployed! Fortunately, even without electronic communication equipment, the other wingsuiters in the flock were able to shout loud enough to convey that there was a problem. The wingsuiter with the premie managed to roll over before his reserve opened - he didn’t even have any line twists! Overall, this situation was handled very well and ended well. *WHY DID IT HAPPEN* Short Reserve Cable These guys were incredibly forthcoming about what they believe happened here. In the details they provided, they explained that wingsuiter was flying a borrowed rig and it turned out that the reserve cable was about one inch too short. When the canopy pilot hooked his feet into the wingsuiter’s chest strap, it began to apply tension to that cable. When they started hitting a bit of turbulence the additional tension was enough to pop the reserve pin and fire the reserve pilot chute. No bueno. *HOW COULD IT BE PREVENTED* Jump-Specific Equipment Checks The extra tension that is going to be applied to a rig is a foreseeable and obvious aspect of an XRW jump where a canopy pilot is hooking their feet into a chest strap. Knowing that, checking to make sure that the reserve cables are long enough to deal with that extra tension is a relatively easy additional gear check that can happen on the ground. This is actually something which jumpers who do a lot of hybrids check for because the tension seen in this video is effectively the same as what occurs on a hybrid when a jumper who goes into a stand and is holding onto the chest straps of jumpers who are on their bellies.
I'm curious to know what Aerodyne has to say regarding why the wingsuiter had to roll out in order for the reserve to deploy. What if this was an AAD fire while the wingsuiter was on his back? He may have died. I don't think this hesitation is being caused by a burble because the bridle is at full stretch and the pilot chute is fully inflated and neither are dancing around like a burble would cause. It appears as though the bridle might be hooked around the edge of the reserve tray which might be taking the force of the bridle pull and preventing the deployment bag from being extracted. It could be that the pilot chute just isn't getting enough force to fully extract the deployment bag (like being under canopy with a reserve pilot chute trailing behind), but I feel like a wingsuit flying horizontally should be going fast enough to extract the deployment bag. If this is what is happening, maybe a longer bridle and/or a larger pilot chute for the reserve can be made available for wingsuiters to help solve this problem? Alternatively, it's possible that this jumper's container is overly tight due to having a reserve and/or a main canopy that is beyond Aerodyne's maximum recommendation. This should be the first question for Aerodyne to ask this jumper if they investigate this. If neither of these are the cause, then there might be an issue in this Icon's container design that is preventing the reserve deployment bag from coming out of the container when a wingsuiter is on their back and flying horizontally. This might be able to be fixed via a rigging modification to the reserve tray. If not, then a disclaimer could at least be issued warning jumpers that this model of Icon containers is not suitable for wingsuiting on your back.
@@toddwitt939 I don't think so. It is at full bridle stretch (no slack) and the pilot chute is fully inflated and it's not flailing around like a burble would cause. It's location is in the same position that it would be if he was flying belly-to-earth.
I agree. I don't think it is the burble, but I don't think that the manufacturer is to blame either... You can see that the reserve can't deploy as it is fighting the main parachute due to angle of the wingsuiter. I think in a normal situation the reserve pilot chute would simply just right the wingsuiter, but because he is suspended by another canopy, this is preventing the reserve pilot chute from flipping him over and deploying normally. You can see as soon as they release, the wingsuiter is immediately flipped onto his belly by the reserve pilot chute, which is what I believe would happen if he had been flying unlinked.
So uh, what are we calling this? Surfboard into a back flip reserve? Glad these guys are all in good health. I'm not sure who needs to buy it after reading Teems explanation but I'm fairly confident there's a beer fine in here somewhere lol
Crazy they wingsuiters can fall as slowly as someone under canopy and can actually talk to each other. The famous Point Break skydive convo would now be realistic if they were in wingsuits. Also, great awareness and communication by all involved in this jump. Glad everyone was alright.
@@sergeig685 Oh yeah, I'm sure that canopy was descending super fast. Not surprised people doing that can't hear each other, but I'm still impressed that you could hear the shouts on this. It seemed like the guy with the premie could hear the other guys, but he definitely could have just seen them warning him.
@@yossi1410 you can definitely hear the shouting in the first person views.... whether it not you can make sense of what they are conveying is another story.
Thanks for posting & communication, hope our turn of events can serve as a lesson learned for everyone out there. Now we are forever immortalized in the Skydiving Hall of Fame (or is it Shame?)
If you can potentially save someone’s life by sharing a valuable lesson with the community, it’s Hall of Fame for sure. Thanks again for sharing Ryan, and kudos for the clear and calm communication in the heat of the moment.
Incredible video and amazing feat. Fortunately the reserve pilot chute remained "in tow" due to the lower speed and larger burble. This reduced the danger of entanglement with the canopy pilot. Glad this ended well.
The scary part here is that the reserve container took so long to open. Maybe rig manufacturers need to start having options for bigger reserve pilot chutes for wingsuiting
Right! That's why you don't fly through clouds I just saw two canopies that are going to have to navigate without hitting each other at about the same height and position with little to no visibility.
@@jdroid91 leaving aside the fact that a reserve and an XRW capable main are not going to be close in the slightest, pretty much every other country jumps through clouds with no issues, especially the sporadic type seen here. It’s just the US that has issues with it. Here in Australia, each DZ has a cloud manual laying out the rules for B license and above (e.g. some DZs with close mountains have a higher minimum base) and, if you open in cloud, everyone flat turns right until you come out of it. No big deal.
wow, very spectacular and well-documented mailfunction. btw, I don't see a big problem with some clouds for wingsuiters if everyone's experience is good enough for the particular size of group.
It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the FAA decides. Think of possible aviation activity that could be legally taking place below the clouds that we may decide to fly through. They may not see us while we may not see them. Yes, it's fun. But, it makes sense.
@@ryanryan8 your statement is not for every country. FAA doesn't rule everywhere and legal aviation activity could be simply impossible without explicit permission, for example. Of course if smth like flying through clouds is not legal somewhere you better not do it. Anyway I believe that any uncontrolled aviation activity under skydivers is a dangerous thing with or without clouds
Wouldn't a "reserve cable was about one inch too short" be a bad idea for any type of jumping? What rigger installs a reserve cable that's too short? And just for the record I'm not a rigger.
I've only had two jumps and I did do the video training course a few years ago for a potential solo jump, but I ultimately decided I don't trust myself. With all of that out of the way....what would've happened if the reserve line twisted and he was in bad shape here? Would the answer be to pull the main and this would somehow dump the reserve? Or would it just double deploy and you take your chances that way and have to risk englanging both?
Reserve should come out of line twists pretty easily and with lots of altitude to spare, jumper has time to take care of that. You cannot cutaway the reserve. Deploying the main and having two out is a really bad idea in this scenario.
@@seanaldinho56 ok, so it sounds like the only option would be if something was wrong with that reserve he would HAVE to pull the main and pray the double-out together provides a better outcome.
@@420 I have only 85 jumps - so I'm neither experienced nor am I a rigger or DZ-staff. However, since I am a fairly new jumper it's not that long ago that I asked a lot of questions and listend to my teachers. It usually works like this: If something is wrong with your main, you cut away. If something is (then) wrong with your reserve you have a problem since you're out of parachutes ;) So, I'm trying to answer your question from a different line of sight: What could be "wrong" with the reserve? Line twists are usally not so much of a problem than they are on small mains. Reserves are designed to handle them. They also are regularily checked and packed by a rigger. There are measurements like a freebag and big long bridles to make sure that reserves usually come out and inflate just fine. I personally think the greatest risk is a main / reserve entanglement which you kind of risk when throwing your main into a messy reserve in your burble. However, if I would be under a spinning reserve and lose altitude fast, I would probably try to bring as much fabric into the air as possible. I was even tought something similar. My teacher said that if we had a malfunction and would be too low to the ground to cut away - then we should open the reserve next to the main and pray for the best. Now that I think of it: Imagine that: He was on his back when the reserve deployed. Thankfully it didn't deploy fully until he let go of the parachutist. If it HAD deployd through his legs it might have ended him in a kind of step-through malfunction. Phew, that would be hard to land. Thankfully we don't have to see this.
There is no cutting away your reserve. If that happened you would kick out the line twists to the best of your ability. If you got super super super low probably go for more fabric with a 2 out via the main.
Нифига не понял. А почему ЗП открылся настолько НЕ сразу ? Медуза может и в тени была, но полностью наполнена. И не в зоне особой турбулентности, похоже.
To add to what the other commenter said... Skydivers are supposed to follow "VFR" or visual flight rules from the FAA. Part of those rules is not flying through clouds. In other countries... No FAA so no VFR rules. I'm sure they do have some form of rules over there lol but they must not include anything about flying through clouds.
*WHAT HAPPENED*
A reserve premature opening definitely puts the "X" in XRW. These guys were in the middle of a sick XRW jump where everything was going according to plan (we’re going to skip over the part when they busted through the clouds, haha!). As the canopy pilot's feet pulled up on the wingsuiter's chest strap, it popped the reserve pin and the reserve pilot chute deployed! Fortunately, even without electronic communication equipment, the other wingsuiters in the flock were able to shout loud enough to convey that there was a problem. The wingsuiter with the premie managed to roll over before his reserve opened - he didn’t even have any line twists! Overall, this situation was handled very well and ended well.
*WHY DID IT HAPPEN*
Short Reserve Cable
These guys were incredibly forthcoming about what they believe happened here. In the details they provided, they explained that wingsuiter was flying a borrowed rig and it turned out that the reserve cable was about one inch too short. When the canopy pilot hooked his feet into the wingsuiter’s chest strap, it began to apply tension to that cable. When they started hitting a bit of turbulence the additional tension was enough to pop the reserve pin and fire the reserve pilot chute. No bueno.
*HOW COULD IT BE PREVENTED*
Jump-Specific Equipment Checks
The extra tension that is going to be applied to a rig is a foreseeable and obvious aspect of an XRW jump where a canopy pilot is hooking their feet into a chest strap. Knowing that, checking to make sure that the reserve cables are long enough to deal with that extra tension is a relatively easy additional gear check that can happen on the ground. This is actually something which jumpers who do a lot of hybrids check for because the tension seen in this video is effectively the same as what occurs on a hybrid when a jumper who goes into a stand and is holding onto the chest straps of jumpers who are on their bellies.
The other wingsuiters were very aware, reacted instantly and gave the right signals, kudos to them!
Is there any standard hand signal for “danger, bail out now”?
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Kidding
1:42 That "what the heck!?" was so cute.
I'm curious to know what Aerodyne has to say regarding why the wingsuiter had to roll out in order for the reserve to deploy. What if this was an AAD fire while the wingsuiter was on his back? He may have died. I don't think this hesitation is being caused by a burble because the bridle is at full stretch and the pilot chute is fully inflated and neither are dancing around like a burble would cause. It appears as though the bridle might be hooked around the edge of the reserve tray which might be taking the force of the bridle pull and preventing the deployment bag from being extracted.
It could be that the pilot chute just isn't getting enough force to fully extract the deployment bag (like being under canopy with a reserve pilot chute trailing behind), but I feel like a wingsuit flying horizontally should be going fast enough to extract the deployment bag. If this is what is happening, maybe a longer bridle and/or a larger pilot chute for the reserve can be made available for wingsuiters to help solve this problem?
Alternatively, it's possible that this jumper's container is overly tight due to having a reserve and/or a main canopy that is beyond Aerodyne's maximum recommendation. This should be the first question for Aerodyne to ask this jumper if they investigate this.
If neither of these are the cause, then there might be an issue in this Icon's container design that is preventing the reserve deployment bag from coming out of the container when a wingsuiter is on their back and flying horizontally. This might be able to be fixed via a rigging modification to the reserve tray. If not, then a disclaimer could at least be issued warning jumpers that this model of Icon containers is not suitable for wingsuiting on your back.
Good point...
Pretty sure the reserve PC is in the burble. When he rolls it deploys.
@@toddwitt939 I don't think so. It is at full bridle stretch (no slack) and the pilot chute is fully inflated and it's not flailing around like a burble would cause. It's location is in the same position that it would be if he was flying belly-to-earth.
I agree. I don't think it is the burble, but I don't think that the manufacturer is to blame either...
You can see that the reserve can't deploy as it is fighting the main parachute due to angle of the wingsuiter. I think in a normal situation the reserve pilot chute would simply just right the wingsuiter, but because he is suspended by another canopy, this is preventing the reserve pilot chute from flipping him over and deploying normally. You can see as soon as they release, the wingsuiter is immediately flipped onto his belly by the reserve pilot chute, which is what I believe would happen if he had been flying unlinked.
Xrw to CRW. These guys are legendary! Way to innovate the sport fellas!!
Scary situation, but this comment is hilarious. Glad it ended up ok.
Super lucky. That went about as well as it could have. Glad everyone’s safe.
So uh, what are we calling this? Surfboard into a back flip reserve?
Glad these guys are all in good health. I'm not sure who needs to buy it after reading Teems explanation but I'm fairly confident there's a beer fine in here somewhere lol
Crazy they wingsuiters can fall as slowly as someone under canopy and can actually talk to each other. The famous Point Break skydive convo would now be realistic if they were in wingsuits. Also, great awareness and communication by all involved in this jump. Glad everyone was alright.
That canopy is probably doing at least 80 mph. And no you still cant hear each other
@@sergeig685 Oh yeah, I'm sure that canopy was descending super fast. Not surprised people doing that can't hear each other, but I'm still impressed that you could hear the shouts on this. It seemed like the guy with the premie could hear the other guys, but he definitely could have just seen them warning him.
@@yossi1410 you can definitely hear the shouting in the first person views.... whether it not you can make sense of what they are conveying is another story.
@@yossi1410 arms cross and wave is pretty universal :) also a number of people use moto headsets nowdays, can’t tell in this video
@@sergeig685 Very true about the headsets. You could reenact the Point Break scene head down with those as long as everyone talked really fast lol.
I'm amazed you could hear each other so clearly
At such a close distance it`s normal.
Doesn’t mean they could hear each other. Also people wear comms nowdays
@@sergeig685 In the video you could hear the muffled voices of other people over the wind. Definitely didn't seem like comms.
And meanwhile, a lonely freebag waits in the clouds, hoping to land where it can be found again...🙃
can't believe how clear and loud we can ear everyone. Gopros are getting darn good! (I might ditch my full face helmet too then)
Thanks for posting & communication, hope our turn of events can serve as a lesson learned for everyone out there. Now we are forever immortalized in the Skydiving Hall of Fame (or is it Shame?)
If you can potentially save someone’s life by sharing a valuable lesson with the community, it’s Hall of Fame for sure. Thanks again for sharing Ryan, and kudos for the clear and calm communication in the heat of the moment.
I can't believe he could hear you, wow! I thought you are on coms!
Incredible video and amazing feat. Fortunately the reserve pilot chute remained "in tow" due to the lower speed and larger burble. This reduced the danger of entanglement with the canopy pilot. Glad this ended well.
The scary part here is that the reserve container took so long to open. Maybe rig manufacturers need to start having options for bigger reserve pilot chutes for wingsuiting
Didn't take long for the boys to get posted! Nice!
You can tell these guys have been doing this along time. That dude executed the perfect move when he saw his problem
Lotta industrial haze there 😂
Right! That's why you don't fly through clouds I just saw two canopies that are going to have to navigate without hitting each other at about the same height and position with little to no visibility.
@@jdroid91 what clouds? There’s no clouds in the video. Just industrial haze.
@@jdroid91 leaving aside the fact that a reserve and an XRW capable main are not going to be close in the slightest, pretty much every other country jumps through clouds with no issues, especially the sporadic type seen here. It’s just the US that has issues with it. Here in Australia, each DZ has a cloud manual laying out the rules for B license and above (e.g. some DZs with close mountains have a higher minimum base) and, if you open in cloud, everyone flat turns right until you come out of it. No big deal.
One of my fav Teem clips
Awesome teamwork and awareness!
this feels like a scene from a video game, insane.
What people fail to understand is that it was a deliberate drogue chute deployment to slow the wingsuit down.
@@c7042-u5g That may have been a joke.
Yes it's a joke folks!
Awesome safety awareness from everyone 👍🍻
wow, very spectacular and well-documented mailfunction.
btw, I don't see a big problem with some clouds for wingsuiters if everyone's experience is good enough for the particular size of group.
I think it might be against faa regulations, as a paraglider 103 pilot I have to maintain a certain amount of clearance from clouds...
It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the FAA decides. Think of possible aviation activity that could be legally taking place below the clouds that we may decide to fly through. They may not see us while we may not see them. Yes, it's fun. But, it makes sense.
@@ryanryan8 exactly
@@ryanryan8 your statement is not for every country. FAA doesn't rule everywhere and legal aviation activity could be simply impossible without explicit permission, for example. Of course if smth like flying through clouds is not legal somewhere you better not do it.
Anyway I believe that any uncontrolled aviation activity under skydivers is a dangerous thing with or without clouds
Depends on the base of the cloud deck. If cloud goes to down to 2k you’re pulling in zero visibility
Bro said “what the heck” 😂
Respect to the awareness. Could have been a different story
Wouldn't a "reserve cable was about one inch too short" be a bad idea for any type of jumping? What rigger installs a reserve cable that's too short? And just for the record I'm not a rigger.
XRW into IMC
A little bit of light industrial haze never hurt anyone :p
I've only had two jumps and I did do the video training course a few years ago for a potential solo jump, but I ultimately decided I don't trust myself. With all of that out of the way....what would've happened if the reserve line twisted and he was in bad shape here?
Would the answer be to pull the main and this would somehow dump the reserve? Or would it just double deploy and you take your chances that way and have to risk englanging both?
Reserve should come out of line twists pretty easily and with lots of altitude to spare, jumper has time to take care of that. You cannot cutaway the reserve. Deploying the main and having two out is a really bad idea in this scenario.
that's a really good question, was wondering the same.
@@seanaldinho56 ok, so it sounds like the only option would be if something was wrong with that reserve he would HAVE to pull the main and pray the double-out together provides a better outcome.
@@420 I have only 85 jumps - so I'm neither experienced nor am I a rigger or DZ-staff. However, since I am a fairly new jumper it's not that long ago that I asked a lot of questions and listend to my teachers.
It usually works like this: If something is wrong with your main, you cut away. If something is (then) wrong with your reserve you have a problem since you're out of parachutes ;)
So, I'm trying to answer your question from a different line of sight: What could be "wrong" with the reserve? Line twists are usally not so much of a problem than they are on small mains. Reserves are designed to handle them. They also are regularily checked and packed by a rigger. There are measurements like a freebag and big long bridles to make sure that reserves usually come out and inflate just fine.
I personally think the greatest risk is a main / reserve entanglement which you kind of risk when throwing your main into a messy reserve in your burble. However, if I would be under a spinning reserve and lose altitude fast, I would probably try to bring as much fabric into the air as possible. I was even tought something similar. My teacher said that if we had a malfunction and would be too low to the ground to cut away - then we should open the reserve next to the main and pray for the best.
Now that I think of it: Imagine that: He was on his back when the reserve deployed. Thankfully it didn't deploy fully until he let go of the parachutist. If it HAD deployd through his legs it might have ended him in a kind of step-through malfunction. Phew, that would be hard to land. Thankfully we don't have to see this.
There is no cutting away your reserve. If that happened you would kick out the line twists to the best of your ability. If you got super super super low probably go for more fabric with a 2 out via the main.
so how far off course did the guy land?
Lucky nobody got wrapped up in that.
I guess the reserve ripcord was to short and the pin got dislauched by the canopy pilot pulling on the housing
I'm doing XRW next weekend 😅
See what happens when you break cloud clearances
I did not know you can hear someone shouting while you’re flying on a wingsuit!
they all PRO nothing to worry
Профессиональные действия всех участников прыжка. Professional actions of all participants in the jump.
Wow. What prevented the reserve pilot chute from yanking the reserve out immediately?
Luck was preventing it... 😂
possible flow interruption
@@pavelboyarov Probably this, it popped out as soon as he changed orientation.
Burble
Usual Aerodyne problem. Yank on chest strap for reserve deployment....
“Yea bro I’ll do your repack for 40$”
Нифига не понял. А почему ЗП открылся настолько НЕ сразу ? Медуза может и в тени была, но полностью наполнена. И не в зоне особой турбулентности, похоже.
Wow,
Tell a little louder! He might hear you!
that made my butt tighten up.
Where is it legal to skydive through clouds?
Most countries besides the USA. I doubt this was the case, though. I just recently discovered this on my travels.
To add to what the other commenter said... Skydivers are supposed to follow "VFR" or visual flight rules from the FAA. Part of those rules is not flying through clouds. In other countries... No FAA so no VFR rules. I'm sure they do have some form of rules over there lol but they must not include anything about flying through clouds.
depends on country. I've jumped a lot through clouds in Ukraine for example
It's legal as long as the FAA doesn't see the video lol
@@TwilightSun32 Clouds are the least of your worries over there.
borrowed gear, black death.
Holy Le Fuk
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Shame!
SMDH...
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Filming an illegal jump through clouds very dangerous and illegal
Повезло что сразу не открылся
wingsuiter has skills