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Thanks for such a mind blowing session. Just a thought.... I see that tithi (signified by Venus) can be used to study relationships based on natural exaltation (12H), natural moolatrikona (7H), natural ownership (2H) and dikbala (4H). On the same token, can karana (signified by Mercury) be used to study career satisfaction based on natural exaltation + moolatrikona (6H), natural ownership (3H) and dikbala (10H)? Sunil ji, any insights?
Creator of Jhora software propagates the Pushya-Paksha Ayanamsha(p.s-we will always remain indebted to him for his free jyotish software!)..He is also a student of Sanjay ji just like Mr. Visti Larsen.
Indeed the creator of Jhora deserves much respect, though important to note that he was a student of Sanjay ji, but is currently reformulating everything he learned per his own understanding and researches.
Namaskar! A wonderful precious educative video. I am not sure if I will be answered. Nonetheless I would go ahead ask my DOUBT. In Elizabeth Taylor's chart Jupiter is exalted and retrograde in 9th house, while in Patti Catalano chart, Saturn is exalted and retrograde in 9th house. Both of the exalted retrograde planet didn't support their relationship. But while discussing Patti Catalano chart in part 2, Vishti Sir mentioned that Saturn though exalted in libra but loves opposite sign Aries as its retrograde. But in Taylor's chart, he discusses about benefic exalted retrograde jupiter, but its incapability of exercising because of saturn's aspect. So does the same rule of Jupiter loving or behaving in capricorn does not apply, as jupiter is exalted but retrograde???
So retrograde exalted Jupiter (Kendra or kona) aspected by Saturn (and poorly placed from AL) smashes relationships only? Or can damage other things too? Will wealth be affected?
what a vast knowledge u provided us, kudos to Sunil ji and larsen saab. if i m not wrong when it comes to check the dasha or anter for timing in marriage in navamsha( u said only trine to the concerned marriage house viz 7th, 2th , 9th. etc) do we need to consider kendra as well to the concerned marriage bhav like 4,7,10 from 7th house of d9 for first marriage. As kendra as natural sukh sthan.
What happens for a lagna like Vrishabha which has 7L and 12L as the same (Mars). How do you treat 12L in 12H? Let say Tithesha is Sun in Lagna and Mars is in Aries. this will mean that both the 7L and 12L are in 12th from Tithesha. Does that mean it will be hard to find partners and have relationships then?
Namaskaram! What happens when tithi lord and varesha is the same planet? Does it cause gandanta? Is it advisabble not to get married so to protect the health or is it the other way round?
thidhi lord placed in his exaltation sign will be bad or good?if you say good means,he is in fiery sign,say for example navami thidhi sun in aries,what you have to say?wether its good or bad Larsen ji?
What if Mars placed in the 3rd House for an Aquarius Ascendant aspects the 6th house lorded by Moon and Moon in turn is placed in the 8th House. Will the killing still apply ?
Dear sir, Humble gratitude for this indepth video on tithi especially the 12th lord 7th lord relationship with tithiesh. I had to go through this video 2 to 3 times as Sunil sir said "try to read between the lines". I just have one question What if 12th lord and 7th lord are in 12th from tithiesh and 2nd lord in 11th from tithiesh. Thank you 🙏
I have two doubts sir.please guide. 1 if there is link for thithi lord with Mars,moon will definitely have trouble d relationship? 2 if 7th lord has no connection with above ones will relationship be good.
Sunil Sir, after seeing so many videos in your channel and also DM Sir, one or the other yoga or good benefit of that house is getting nullified through a new concept video. If all these kinds of techniques relating to either BPHS or Bhrigu Nadi or Tithi series or Asta Koot or Upapada Lagna etc, 6/8, 2/12, tarabalam, Dagdha Rashi, shadbala, astakavarga, etc, is it practically possible to get a proper match for marriage and to lead good life? Is all the results resulting from above various kinds of methods for evaluating birth chart, will all those will happens for sure or because of knowing those defects we can eliminate those potential bad result by doing good and with prayers? How much % is the result is certain to happen whatever remedy one do? I am highly getting confused in this journey as one or the other concept of other technique is nullifying the effect of potential good benefit. Why is it like this? pls enlighten. How much % is there a scope to escape the bad result ? Will one really able to escape the bad result by doing prayers? Pls help.
Thank you for your reply Guru ji. You have given so many example charts in Tithesh concept, and many had multiple marriages in their lifes. Is the bad placement of tithesha with other malefics in their charts is confirmed and not changeable in their lives wrt any relationship particularly marriage? OR those natives if they would have known this bad effects before through Astro consultation, would there have been a chance to react and overcome multiple marriages? To be simple my doubt is if they would have known this might happen, do natives hv chance to change their upcoming bad fate or evn if they know they cannot chng anything? I am deeply grateful for taking your valuable time in replying to me. I loved your concepts which are basic like Panchanga yet powerful when applied to my chart. I understood that I have also VISTI KARANA and my SATURN in Libra and, Jupiter in 12th house but in Anuradha star for my Dhanur Lagna. As told by you my fifth house is fire sign and related to mars, sun, so do i have good chance to learn Jyotish and can I be useful to many to solve other problems because I have the combinations as told by you wrt learning Astro. Pls tk some time to reply. Pls tell the steps reg.how to know Ishta Devata and pls comment your view on praying Ishta Devata to have blessings from him from many problems, as Ishta devata is the one if we know and pray will protects in many matters when compared to praying other Devatas. Is this true? My exalted Saturn aspecting ASC so praying Lord Shiva helps? To have good marriage pls tell on which day to fast? I have Rikta Tithi. Doing fasting on Rikta Tithi helps or should be done on Upapada Lagna Sign lord? Thank you very much for guiding me.
Hi Visti Sir, I have already watched your Panchang videos more than once and I Know I will watch them again. They are a source to amazing knowledge. I humbly request you to enlighten us about relevance of Nakshatra, Vara, and Yoga also. If you decide not to give comprehensive lecture on all three, at least give an overview. I am truly indebted to you for sharing this knowledge. But, if you can be generous enough to tell us how these 5 Angas can be used to judge a 'particular day', then it would be really great. For example, what on Panchang of September 11, 2001 could have suggested that it would be such a catastrophic day. I know its too much to ask 'for free', but just give some useful directions, so that blinds like us can find some light to follow. I know whatever you decide to share will be precious but its a request. May you always be showered by blessings of God, and wishing you a fulfilling New Year. Thanks, Amit.
@@visti108 is death of spouse inevitable if Tithi Lord has 7th aspect on Moon (in 12th house in sign of Scorpio and Moon also owns the 8th house) and Mars also having Graha Dristi on 12th house's Moon ?????
Visit Pl. answer my one question if someone has tithi lord sun in 10th and in parivartan with 9th in dhanu lagna so my big question is that should it be considered in 9th or 10th i. e. 9th lord sun in 10th and 10th lord budh in 9th
For taurus, do we take venus or moon as sign lord? For me, mercury is tithi lord, retrograde in aries in 11th. Now, moon is in taurus in 12th. Venus in Aquarius. I saw in one of Visti’s videos that taurus is also ruled by moon. 🤷♂️
So Lords placed 1, 5, and 9th from Tithi are good relationships. Lords placed 3rd (war), 4th (sorrow), 6th (enemy), 7th (50/50), 8th (payback), 11 (torture) and 12th (bad). But I have never heard anyone talk about Lord 2nd from Tithi relationships I am under the idea that they are bad as a Marka house but would like to be sure. Is a lord placed 2nd from Tithi bad and why? 10 from Tithi as well please. If anyone would be so kind. Thank you very much for these presentations and wonderful knowledge to everyone involved.
I think if it s placed in 4th from the tithi it s good, but i may have missed that part not too sure and he explicitly said that 2nd is good and one of the examples had a 10th house issue which was again good.
Hi tithi lord is Saturn and it's 3rd house in Aquarius. And 7th lord Mercury in 1st house with Sun. My tithi lord and varesha lord are same that is saturn. How will be marriage?
Thax sir your teaching is fantastic I know nothing but able to grabs some concept. As you said if your 12 th lord well placed from ur tidhi lord u can easily find partner but in my chart my tithi lord is moon as pieces ascendant my 12th lord is Saturn moon in 2nd Saturn is 10th house so 12th lord 9th from tithi lord but it hard to find relationship for me in fact I m running 29th year and never been in relationship. Rahu also can be 12th lord it place 11th form tithi I think it also not too bad.so what could be reason.
thank you very much for sharing this knowledge , please explain in few words the results of person born on Visha tithi, Hutashan tithi with regards to relationship. i somewhat understand the result of dagdha tithi but not sure about these 2.
Sultan? Not sure how many English speakers would understand a foreign turko-persian word? I think when dealing with westerners, we should always use Samskrit and English from title to finish.
thank you for this video, dear Visti and Sunil! But I have a question. In charts of 2 of my friends, 7th lord is placed in 11th house from Tithesha, and they both had a divorce and where unhappy in their married life. But 11th house is not a bad position, so why this happened? I am confused. Otherwise the technique works very well...
Hi tithi lord is Saturn and it's 3rd house in Aquarius. And 7th lord Mercury in 1st house with Sun. My tithi lord and varesha lord are same that is saturn. How will be marriage?
Nice video! Wonderful, wonderful technique However, Paksha means fortnight, but the root (Dhathu) might also mean sides/part. So pushyaPaksha is possible and PushyaPaksha -at-least when scientifically analysed, this ayanamsha makes sense and is also close to Raman (which could be using Surya-Siddanta Ayanamsha). However, when you use Katapaya-- Paksha would give you a reminder of 7! So please DON'T CRITICIZE "SOMEBODY group", because those "SOMEBODY group" also have an excellent explanation- It definitely hurts the spirit to explore with Jyothish. You are welcome to criticize WITH REAL SCIENTIFIC and Samskrutha touch! 1:40:50 Mr. Larsen clarifies us to look from Lagna--- I am confused, as you initially told us to make Thithesha the Lag and then see 12th, 2nd and 7th-- When Mr. Jhon asked about this- Mr. Larsen said " it is for SOMETHING ELSE"- I am SUPER confused. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and Thanks SA team !
Lol tithi lord is navami ruled by sun combust mars(2 degrees), saturn in 8th house aries while rahu in 12th house aspects the 8th house. Totally fucked hahahahahahah also saturn is the darakaraka. Horrible
All these multiple partners,multiple marriages apply to the west.not India.so all this talk is irrelevant to India.even Sunil ji doesn’t seem fully convinced.he is confused.
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Larsen has blessing of divine
Lucky to witness this.
Thanks all 😊
Great interview! Love it! Sunil, you should invite this man many-many time to your chanel!
Exactly my thoughts. He is an excellent astrologer! Mind blowing
Thanks to all who shared, researched, taught and created this knowledge from the bottom of my heart 🌸💯❤️🙏
35:35 planet in 7H indicates how you are dealing
In relationships.YOU
Tithi is what will happen to u in relationships
Most lovely knowledge on Tithi dear Visti Larsen and Saptarishis. Thanks a lot, all the love 😊
This is the best class that I was looking for. Thank you so much. Cleared all my doubts.
Thank you Visti Guruji for throwing the light of your wisdom on us.
Retrograde clue is unique, never heard before
at the speed of - .25 x , i tried to learn the enlightenment that was coming from my screen to my mind .. thank you to both the Guru's.
sir all three panchanga series are very interesting and superb
Awesome ! Very Well explanation. but need to watch more than one time to apply the rules . Thank you so much for bringing him Sunil ji.
My Diwali would also be in Taurus! Interesting! Thank you for all that you share! Fabulous!
Thanks for such a mind blowing session.
Just a thought....
I see that tithi (signified by Venus) can be used to study relationships based on natural exaltation (12H), natural moolatrikona (7H), natural ownership (2H) and dikbala (4H).
On the same token, can karana (signified by Mercury) be used to study career satisfaction based on natural exaltation + moolatrikona (6H), natural ownership (3H) and dikbala (10H)?
Sunil ji, any insights?
if there is any book or pdf for the learning of panchang and its variable parts.. I wan to purchase ..
Excellent videoA treasure house of information.Thank you Sunil ji and Visti ji for sharing it .Eagerly awaiting your next video. Kala Gopal
Wow wow and wow ... superb .... thank u so much ... this was exceptional !!!
Excellent video. Personal Deepavali best for material financial planning choose a day when new moon (amavasya) appears in 7th from Lagna.
Thank you for such amazing session!
Please do more videos with visti sir, excellent video about panchang
Creator of Jhora software propagates the Pushya-Paksha Ayanamsha(p.s-we will always remain indebted to him for his free jyotish software!)..He is also a student of Sanjay ji just like Mr. Visti Larsen.
Indeed the creator of Jhora deserves much respect, though important to note that he was a student of Sanjay ji, but is currently reformulating everything he learned per his own understanding and researches.
Namaskar! A wonderful precious educative video. I am not sure if I will be answered. Nonetheless I would go ahead ask my DOUBT. In Elizabeth Taylor's chart Jupiter is exalted and retrograde in 9th house, while in Patti Catalano chart, Saturn is exalted and retrograde in 9th house. Both of the exalted retrograde planet didn't support their relationship. But while discussing Patti Catalano chart in part 2, Vishti Sir mentioned that Saturn though exalted in libra but loves opposite sign Aries as its retrograde. But in Taylor's chart, he discusses about benefic exalted retrograde jupiter, but its incapability of exercising because of saturn's aspect. So does the same rule of Jupiter loving or behaving in capricorn does not apply, as jupiter is exalted but retrograde???
So retrograde exalted Jupiter (Kendra or kona) aspected by Saturn (and poorly placed from AL) smashes relationships only? Or can damage other things too? Will wealth be affected?
what a vast knowledge u provided us, kudos to Sunil ji and larsen saab.
if i m not wrong when it comes to check the dasha or anter for timing in marriage in navamsha( u said only trine to the concerned marriage house viz 7th, 2th , 9th. etc) do we need to consider kendra as well to the concerned marriage bhav like 4,7,10 from 7th house of d9 for first marriage.
As kendra as natural sukh sthan.
Great & Wonderful One..,
great knowledge fortunate to get this ..om gurave namah 🙏🙏🙏
Good teaching's! Tithi is considered active from sunrise. Is it true on birtchart's too? Thanks, importanto basix :)
By the way Al Pachino is Cancer asc, Chaturti tithi lord is Shani 11:02 am. His Moon is Sagittarius. Thank's
What happens for a lagna like Vrishabha which has 7L and 12L as the same (Mars). How do you treat 12L in 12H? Let say Tithesha is Sun in Lagna and Mars is in Aries. this will mean that both the 7L and 12L are in 12th from Tithesha. Does that mean it will be hard to find partners and have relationships then?
What remedies for karna Lord not placed in the good sign
Al Pacino had a 11:02 am time with Karka lagna, the best I knew, afaik? That's the astrodienst data. Please correct me.
Namaskaram! What happens when tithi lord and varesha is the same planet? Does it cause gandanta? Is it advisabble not to get married so to protect the health or is it the other way round?
Excellent presentation!
thidhi lord placed in his exaltation sign will be bad or good?if you say good means,he is in fiery sign,say for example navami thidhi sun in aries,what you have to say?wether its good or bad Larsen ji?
What if Mars placed in the 3rd
House for an Aquarius Ascendant aspects the 6th house lorded by Moon and Moon in turn is placed in the 8th House. Will the killing still apply ?
but paksha means in favour and vipaksha means opposition
paksha actually means side shukla side = bright side krishna side= dark side
Dear sir,
Humble gratitude for this indepth video on tithi especially the 12th lord 7th lord relationship with tithiesh. I had to go through this video 2 to 3 times as Sunil sir said "try to read between the lines".
I just have one question
What if 12th lord and 7th lord are in 12th from tithiesh and 2nd lord in 11th from tithiesh.
Thank you 🙏
Thank u so much . Stay blessed 😊
Thank you both... 💯❤️🙏
I have two doubts sir.please guide.
1 if there is link for thithi lord with Mars,moon will definitely have trouble d relationship?
2 if 7th lord has no connection with above ones will relationship be good.
Sunil Sir, after seeing so many videos in your channel and also DM Sir, one or the other yoga or good benefit of that house is getting nullified through a new concept video. If all these kinds of techniques relating to either BPHS or Bhrigu Nadi or Tithi series or Asta Koot or Upapada Lagna etc, 6/8, 2/12, tarabalam, Dagdha Rashi, shadbala, astakavarga, etc, is it practically possible to get a proper match for marriage and to lead good life? Is all the results resulting from above various kinds of methods for evaluating birth chart, will all those will happens for sure or because of knowing those defects we can eliminate those potential bad result by doing good and with prayers? How much % is the result is certain to happen whatever remedy one do? I am highly getting confused in this journey as one or the other concept of other technique is nullifying the effect of potential good benefit. Why is it like this? pls enlighten. How much % is there a scope to escape the bad result ? Will one really able to escape the bad result by doing prayers? Pls help.
Thank you for your reply Guru ji. You have given so many example charts in Tithesh concept, and many had multiple marriages in their lifes. Is the bad placement of tithesha with other malefics in their charts is confirmed and not changeable in their lives wrt any relationship particularly marriage? OR those natives if they would have known this bad effects before through Astro consultation, would there have been a chance to react and overcome multiple marriages? To be simple my doubt is if they would have known this might happen, do natives hv chance to change their upcoming bad fate or evn if they know they cannot chng anything? I am deeply grateful for taking your valuable time in replying to me. I loved your concepts which are basic like Panchanga yet powerful when applied to my chart. I understood that I have also VISTI KARANA and my SATURN in Libra and, Jupiter in 12th house but in Anuradha star for my Dhanur Lagna. As told by you my fifth house is fire sign and related to mars, sun, so do i have good chance to learn Jyotish and can I be useful to many to solve other problems because I have the combinations as told by you wrt learning Astro. Pls tk some time to reply. Pls tell the steps reg.how to know Ishta Devata and pls comment your view on praying Ishta Devata to have blessings from him from many problems, as Ishta devata is the one if we know and pray will protects in many matters when compared to praying other Devatas. Is this true? My exalted Saturn aspecting ASC so praying Lord Shiva helps? To have good marriage pls tell on which day to fast? I have Rikta Tithi. Doing fasting on Rikta Tithi helps or should be done on Upapada Lagna Sign lord? Thank you very much for guiding me.
Hi Visti Sir, I have already watched your Panchang videos more than once and I Know I will watch them again. They are a source to amazing knowledge. I humbly request you to enlighten us about relevance of Nakshatra, Vara, and Yoga also. If you decide not to give comprehensive lecture on all three, at least give an overview.
I am truly indebted to you for sharing this knowledge. But, if you can be generous enough to tell us how these 5 Angas can be used to judge a 'particular day', then it would be really great. For example, what on Panchang of September 11, 2001 could have suggested that it would be such a catastrophic day.
I know its too much to ask 'for free', but just give some useful directions, so that blinds like us can find some light to follow. I know whatever you decide to share will be precious but its a request. May you always be showered by blessings of God, and wishing you a fulfilling New Year. Thanks, Amit.
@@visti108 is death of spouse inevitable if Tithi Lord has 7th aspect on Moon (in 12th house in sign of Scorpio and Moon also owns the 8th house) and Mars also having Graha Dristi on 12th house's Moon ?????
Visit Pl. answer my one question if someone has tithi lord sun in 10th and in parivartan with 9th in dhanu lagna so my big question is that should it be considered in 9th or 10th i. e. 9th lord sun in 10th and 10th lord budh in 9th
excellent video sir. thanks visti sir and sunil sir.please repload if possible the PPT it was not visible#respect#.
Simply WOW !!!!
visti Sir - if planets apects the 12th house in navamsa can give marriage in its antardasha correct?
can visti ji give more info how to celebrate the personal diwali in terms of luxmi pooja and mahaluximi worship on the day amavasya falls in own 7H
my husband Bd 6/3/1963
mars+moon+rahu
wh will be the results this combination is in 8th house
Excellent!
For taurus, do we take venus or moon as sign lord? For me, mercury is tithi lord, retrograde in aries in 11th. Now, moon is in taurus in 12th. Venus in Aquarius. I saw in one of Visti’s videos that taurus is also ruled by moon. 🤷♂️
Yes , Moon also rules Taurus because it's his Mulatrikona and exaltation sign.You should consider both lordships but Venus as primary owner.
Thank you so much for this knowledge 😊
What about months like kartak magha falgun sravn etc
1:01:12 Table
Session was good but should have provided some remedy too.. just telling the problems and leaving us in these situations
Sahana Biswas guru worship 24: onward
That is given in personal consultation.
So Lords placed 1, 5, and 9th from Tithi are good relationships. Lords placed 3rd (war), 4th (sorrow), 6th (enemy), 7th (50/50), 8th (payback), 11 (torture) and 12th (bad). But I have never heard anyone talk about Lord 2nd from Tithi relationships I am under the idea that they are bad as a Marka house but would like to be sure. Is a lord placed 2nd from Tithi bad and why? 10 from Tithi as well please. If anyone would be so kind. Thank you very much for these presentations and wonderful knowledge to everyone involved.
I think if it s placed in 4th from the tithi it s good, but i may have missed that part not too sure and he explicitly said that 2nd is good and one of the examples had a 10th house issue which was again good.
Hi tithi lord is Saturn and it's 3rd house in Aquarius. And 7th lord Mercury in 1st house with Sun.
My tithi lord and varesha lord are same that is saturn.
How will be marriage?
What if moon has Agni dosha?
Thax sir your teaching is fantastic I know nothing but able to grabs some concept. As you said if your 12 th lord well placed from ur tidhi lord u can easily find partner but in my chart my tithi lord is moon as pieces ascendant my 12th lord is Saturn moon in 2nd Saturn is 10th house so 12th lord 9th from tithi lord but it hard to find relationship for me in fact I m running 29th year and never been in relationship. Rahu also can be 12th lord it place 11th form tithi I think it also not too bad.so what could be reason.
thank you very much for sharing this knowledge , please explain in few words the results of person born on Visha tithi, Hutashan tithi with regards to relationship. i somewhat understand the result of dagdha tithi but not sure about these 2.
Sultan? Not sure how many English speakers would understand a foreign turko-persian word? I think when dealing with westerners, we should always use Samskrit and English from title to finish.
Exactly. The term looks hideous. Clearly, "sultan🤢 of Jyotish" sounds like an oxymoron. Dharma & adharma.
thank you for this video, dear Visti and Sunil! But I have a question. In charts of 2 of my friends, 7th lord is placed in 11th house from Tithesha, and they both had a divorce and where unhappy in their married life. But 11th house is not a bad position, so why this happened? I am confused. Otherwise the technique works very well...
You need check the aspects too. Even if a planet is in 6th, 8th or 12th, things can be smooth if Jupiter aspects it.
Hi tithi lord is Saturn and it's 3rd house in Aquarius. And 7th lord Mercury in 1st house with Sun.
My tithi lord and varesha lord are same that is saturn.
How will be marriage?
Paksha means side, as far i i know. I dont think its opposite. We call swapaksha same side vipaksha opposite side in sanskrit
shekar u r correct
great lecture, needs to be seen 2-3 times to get full clarity.
Superb sulthan ji..
18 chaturdshi tithi
Venus - brigu
1.10..0
Nice video, Am from tamilnadu our calendar starts from full moon day
Vicky War oh really I didn't know.. maybe that means tamilians value spiritual things more
Nice video! Wonderful, wonderful technique
However,
Paksha means fortnight, but the root (Dhathu) might also mean sides/part. So pushyaPaksha is possible and PushyaPaksha -at-least when scientifically analysed, this ayanamsha makes sense and is also close to Raman (which could be using Surya-Siddanta Ayanamsha). However, when you use Katapaya-- Paksha would give you a reminder of 7! So please DON'T CRITICIZE "SOMEBODY group", because those "SOMEBODY group" also have an excellent explanation- It definitely hurts the spirit to explore with Jyothish. You are welcome to criticize WITH REAL SCIENTIFIC and Samskrutha touch!
1:40:50 Mr. Larsen clarifies us to look from Lagna--- I am confused, as you initially told us to make Thithesha the Lag and then see 12th, 2nd and 7th-- When Mr. Jhon asked about this- Mr. Larsen said " it is for SOMETHING ELSE"- I am SUPER confused.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and Thanks SA team !
***** Thank you very much, Mr. Larsen!
Visti Guruji you are a wonderful human being with divine knowledge.
1.38
Lol tithi lord is navami ruled by sun
combust mars(2 degrees), saturn in 8th house aries while rahu in 12th house aspects the 8th house. Totally fucked hahahahahahah also saturn is the darakaraka. Horrible
All these multiple partners,multiple marriages apply to the west.not India.so all this talk is irrelevant to India.even Sunil ji doesn’t seem fully convinced.he is confused.