@@johnenright a totally different sport and a totally different application of the rule. They use it because they have a rule where a tackler wins a free kick for grappling the player in possession to the ground. Common sense tells you that the natural thing to do when grappled to the ground would be to lie on the ball and delay the thing, so they brought in the hand it back rule. We don't have that rule and don't have anything similar to it. There are very few instances where simply releasing the ball isn't sufficient, they could even have included "release the ball and don't cause a delay" to cover throwing the ball away or general messing. The extra step of finding your nearest opponent, running over to hand it directly to them is so unnatural for our sport and ridiculous in how it looks in practice, that it seems crazy that anyone thought this could be a good idea. I hope this load of shite gets binned at the first opportunity and it was deeply disappointing that congress hasn't already intervened. Two more points 1. The AFL rarely has confusion over who won a free kick when the referees whistle is blown. The GAA regularly has confusion, even at intercounty where standards are higher. In the railway cup games, every time a player held the ball for a few seconds to check what the ref has blown for, if was against the man holding the ball it was moved forward. A complete load of utter nonsense. That is at a high standard too with intercounty players and refs. Imagine how this will go at club level with inconsistent application everywhere, it will cause mayhem - worsened by the rule that the brought forward free kick can be moved to the edge of the arc for a handy 2 pointer. 2. AFL players barely stay in possession for more than a few seconds, they have very few technical rules where the player in possession can cause a foul on their own. They don't have the overcarry rule for example. Forcing players to run around the pitch to find the nearest opponent, who could be 15 metres away and in no hurry to take the free if they're winning, while already frustrated at giving the foul away, is just plainly ridiculous. There would be no difference in the speed of the game if the player dropped the ball where the foul happened. Instead, this daft pile of shite has player running around the place like a bunch of tubes.
@@johnenright a totally different sport and a totally different application of the rule. They use it because they have a rule where a tackler wins a free kick for grappling the player in possession to the ground. Common sense tells you that the natural thing to do when grappled to the ground would be to lie on the ball and delay the thing, so they brought in the hand it back rule. We don't have that rule and don't have anything similar to it. There are very few instances where simply releasing the ball isn't sufficient, they could even have included "release the ball and don't cause a delay" to cover throwing the ball away or general messing. The extra step of finding your nearest opponent, running over to hand it directly to them is so unnatural for our sport and ridiculous in how it looks in practice, that it seems crazy that anyone thought this could be a good idea. I hope this gets binned at the first opportunity and it was deeply disappointing that congress didn't change it before they voted. Two more points 1. The AFL rarely has confusion over who won a free kick when the referees whistle is blown. The GAA regularly has confusion, even at intercounty where standards are higher. In the railway cup games, every time a player held the ball for a few seconds to check what the ref has blown for, if was against the man holding the ball it was moved forward. A complete load of utter nonsense. That is at a high standard too with intercounty players and refs. Imagine how this will go at club level with inconsistent application everywhere, it will cause mayhem - worsened by the rule that the brought forward free kick can be moved to the edge of the arc for a handy 2 pointer. 2. AFL players barely stay in possession for more than a few seconds, they have very few technical rules where the player in possession can cause a foul on their own. They don't have the overcarry rule for example. Forcing players to run around the pitch to find the nearest opponent, who could be 15 metres away and in no hurry to take the free if they're winning, while already frustrated at giving the foul away, is just plainly ridiculous. There would be no difference in the speed of the game if the player dropped the ball where the foul happened and was allowed to get back and help his team. Instead, this daft rule has players running around the place like a bunch of tubes.
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a 50m penalty for not handing the ball back and not retreating properly is a load of pure bollocks
Thats the rule - has been in the AFL for 100 years and they do just fine.
Agree. The reasoning is good. But it's too harsh.
Would simply leaving the ball down & retreating not suffice?
@@johnenright a totally different sport and a totally different application of the rule.
They use it because they have a rule where a tackler wins a free kick for grappling the player in possession to the ground. Common sense tells you that the natural thing to do when grappled to the ground would be to lie on the ball and delay the thing, so they brought in the hand it back rule.
We don't have that rule and don't have anything similar to it. There are very few instances where simply releasing the ball isn't sufficient, they could even have included "release the ball and don't cause a delay" to cover throwing the ball away or general messing. The extra step of finding your nearest opponent, running over to hand it directly to them is so unnatural for our sport and ridiculous in how it looks in practice, that it seems crazy that anyone thought this could be a good idea. I hope this load of shite gets binned at the first opportunity and it was deeply disappointing that congress hasn't already intervened.
Two more points
1. The AFL rarely has confusion over who won a free kick when the referees whistle is blown. The GAA regularly has confusion, even at intercounty where standards are higher. In the railway cup games, every time a player held the ball for a few seconds to check what the ref has blown for, if was against the man holding the ball it was moved forward. A complete load of utter nonsense.
That is at a high standard too with intercounty players and refs. Imagine how this will go at club level with inconsistent application everywhere, it will cause mayhem - worsened by the rule that the brought forward free kick can be moved to the edge of the arc for a handy 2 pointer.
2. AFL players barely stay in possession for more than a few seconds, they have very few technical rules where the player in possession can cause a foul on their own. They don't have the overcarry rule for example. Forcing players to run around the pitch to find the nearest opponent, who could be 15 metres away and in no hurry to take the free if they're winning, while already frustrated at giving the foul away, is just plainly ridiculous. There would be no difference in the speed of the game if the player dropped the ball where the foul happened. Instead, this daft pile of shite has player running around the place like a bunch of tubes.
@@johnenright a totally different sport and a totally different application of the rule.
They use it because they have a rule where a tackler wins a free kick for grappling the player in possession to the ground. Common sense tells you that the natural thing to do when grappled to the ground would be to lie on the ball and delay the thing, so they brought in the hand it back rule.
We don't have that rule and don't have anything similar to it. There are very few instances where simply releasing the ball isn't sufficient, they could even have included "release the ball and don't cause a delay" to cover throwing the ball away or general messing. The extra step of finding your nearest opponent, running over to hand it directly to them is so unnatural for our sport and ridiculous in how it looks in practice, that it seems crazy that anyone thought this could be a good idea. I hope this gets binned at the first opportunity and it was deeply disappointing that congress didn't change it before they voted.
Two more points
1. The AFL rarely has confusion over who won a free kick when the referees whistle is blown. The GAA regularly has confusion, even at intercounty where standards are higher. In the railway cup games, every time a player held the ball for a few seconds to check what the ref has blown for, if was against the man holding the ball it was moved forward. A complete load of utter nonsense.
That is at a high standard too with intercounty players and refs. Imagine how this will go at club level with inconsistent application everywhere, it will cause mayhem - worsened by the rule that the brought forward free kick can be moved to the edge of the arc for a handy 2 pointer.
2. AFL players barely stay in possession for more than a few seconds, they have very few technical rules where the player in possession can cause a foul on their own. They don't have the overcarry rule for example. Forcing players to run around the pitch to find the nearest opponent, who could be 15 metres away and in no hurry to take the free if they're winning, while already frustrated at giving the foul away, is just plainly ridiculous. There would be no difference in the speed of the game if the player dropped the ball where the foul happened and was allowed to get back and help his team. Instead, this daft rule has players running around the place like a bunch of tubes.
18.24...I think this is harsh,re handing the ball back in the full ...