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Great job Ed, you came to the rescue. When in a jam, it's always nice to have that extra set of ideas of another person. Tell John thanks for the video contents.
Well I have a Kubota Grand L3240 and was going along and found Clay I sunk it clear down to the floor in mud. I got it out on its own power by raising the front tires with the loader and putting a piece of firewood under the tires. Then I put a couple limbs under the back tires to make a ramp. It walked right out on its own.
Hi Ed! That did look hopeless with what you had to work with, but the come-along plus your brilliant insight to curl the bucket with the chain around it saved the day. Well done! I enjoyed seeing you two overcome the situation.
You are a good friend Ed. It looked like a tough situation. There is a certain satisfaction using brain power and experience in finding a solution. I liked how you curled the bucket over the chain. Good job. I am going to remember that. I hope John fences off that area, never to return.
Ed that speaks volumes about you to be the one people call when they help. If we all strived to be that person what a nice world we would live in. If I'm remembered for anything I want people to say "he'd do anything for ya".
Thanks so much. My experience is that people are generally good when you get together face to face. If that’s the person you are, I’m sure that’s how you’ll be remembered. Cheers!
Being stuck with a bush hog on is the worst. I’ve had my BX buried so far the bush hog was raised to the top and still bottomed out. I had to disconnect to keep from tearing it up. You guys did good. Thanks for sharing!
I love your ingenuity and as always a sense of humor. I got the same thought as you about curling the bucket. Plan E would have been start digging out the rear tires and insert 2x10’s with cleats under the tires.
Plan Duh! I was watching the chain around the bucket while you were using the come-along, and thinking 'perhaps curling the bucket will help'. Great minds think alike! Very enjoyable video. Boy, she was sunk down!!
Mission accomplished! Nice job guys. It's that time of year for many of us so a good reminder to tread carefully through those unknowns and muddy areas of the property! Cheers!
I have had success with pulling myself out with the the busket, but never had any luck pushing the tractor out backwards. Several years ago I had a Kubota L 2950 and got stuck about the same way, my transmission was buried into mud, I had to have a bigger tractor come pull me out. And like your friend, I had the R-1 agriculture tires. I hafta say those tires might be better at not getting you stuck, but they also will dig in and get you buried much quicker than the R4 tires. Especially in wet soggy ground. That was a good idea Ed, curling the bucket against the chain. I wouldn't have thought of that, but it got you out.
That Ed...always thinkin', thinkin', thinkin! "Plan B(2601)"..."Plan C(ome Along)"..."Plan D(uh)". It's the little things that makes this channel so darned great. And to top it all off, Ed not only slips in with the winning idea, but I notice who was in the seat when the tractor finally drove out! 😉👍😎 Well done Ed!
There is an old but dangerous farmers trick that almost always works. Take a 6 inch x 6 foot log and put it behind the back wheels, next chain it to the wheels (not all tractors have holes in the rims) make sure to avoid the fill valve. Now carefully back up the tractor until it lifts itself out of the hole. Back in the day occasionally a farmer would get crushed if they chained it in the front and drove it forward and had no draw bar to stop the log or the log broke and flew up and hit them. I always use a log large enough to stall the tractor without breaking. This is dangerous work no doubt about it, having said that my grandfather got kicked by a horse and died , farming is always dangerous.
That’s a solid technique, Don. Dangerous indeed and super messy in the mud. But I could see that working! Terrible about your grandfather. Yes, lots of opportunities for accidents around the farm.
Been there and done it here on lake Oconee, GA. Got to cut trees and block under the bucket to lift front end enough to get the back wheels to get enough traction. Mine is a John Deere 4500 same size as yours. Had no trees to use a comealong. Placed logs behind back tires. Had to wait a couple days for the surface mud to dry. Ain't goin down there again when it's wet! Had to take my bush hog off too. I was trying to make a duck blind. Whooo! Seems you had it easier. Thanks for your videos. Got some good pointers from them.
If you would put some logs under your bucket as you try to tilt it back the bucket push the logs into to wet spots and as you go back keep doing that we have also used old tyres under the bucket to stop it sinking into the mud .
Great Job getting that tractor unstuck. I recently purchased a more power puller from Wyeth Scott (Made in USA) come along for situations like this. Hope I never need it but have just Incase. Plus helps with felling trees and other items around the property. Keep up the great videos
Gee thanks Ed, that brought back bad memories lol, I'm lazy though I just hook the Excavator to it and out it comes. Nice job I picked up a couple of good tips thanks!
Good evening Sir, recovery vehicle is an art and not easy to teach either, practices make perfect ( I grown in a swamp area so I had a lots of practice !!! ) You did OUTSTANDINGLY VERY WELL SIR 😉👍👌 and That's how you get experience Sir 👌👍😉 Outstanding video and you have a great friend that own you a lots Cheers 😉👍👌🍻
Nice job Ed. Ya done good my friend !! I tell you what I do....as soon as I feel the unit is steadily moving forward, I lay into it and don't stop until totally clear. Of course differing conditions call for differing solutions as well. But again...ya done good !! I bet your buddy will think twice before he heads in the area again...LOL and a good time was had by all !!
Ed I’ve used my loader to pull myself out before by raising it while a chain is hooked to an anchor. Just have to be careful not to tip yourself over doing that. Once that rear implement gets down to the mud your definitely in for a struggle. You guys did good showing different methods of extraction. Take care!
A fourth option exists in a case like this. Chain a cut tree across the back tires to lift the rear of the tractor as you walk it out. Slow and steady is the key. I have used this to lift our 110hp, and numerous friends with 30-60hp tractors. That was great thinking using the bucket to work the chain.
I highly suggest a kinetic recovery rope. They will let a far lighter vehicle apply kinetic energy to suck vehicle by running into the rope that will stretch and then apply force like a rubber band. It isn't violent then running into tow strap or chain. Rhino probably makes the best quality to price one. Yankum and BubbaRope are the high end ones. Get summer soft shackles to go with it though. With one of those a pickup would have pulled that tractor out.
@@brianhillis3701 Kinetic ropes are safe as long as you have solid attachment points and you use soft shackles. Whole lot safer than a chain or conventional tow strap that can shock load. That being said you should never try to pull a stump with them.
@@C_J_81 everything is safe if everything goes as expected. You neglected wear, knowing the strength, heat disappation, etc. It is not safe because a huge amount of energy is stored in the rope. Yes it can work out well but it requires more knowledge than a guy doing it for the first time is likely to have. They rarely know how to establish good anchor points. Even if they do ihe attachment point may be suspect. I once tied a rope to a 30 inch diameter oak. I happened to lean on the tree and it nearly fell over.
Using a bucket to get you out - tips When you put it down it should be curled all the way back towards the tractor. Then you should only move it about 8 -10 inches. You are not pushing the tractor anymore after that. When you push your self you should never end up scooping. Second, when you are pulling the other tractor you can use your “bucket technique” on the B2601 to increase pulling power dramatically. Third, when pulling out of a very muddy area you should have the stuck tractors bucket flat on the ground curled up so it does not stick into the ground. The bucket acts to disperse weight over a wider area when pulling forward to be a skid and slid over the ground. The lift from the bucket will also raise the front wheels out of the ruts. Bucket chain curl is a good technique. But I prefer to use a tow strap if it is available. Also, a good quality tow strap is sometimes better as they allow you to get a moving start and stretch to bunt the jolt forward as they stretch. I have driven a boomer 40 through a swamp to pull out a UTV and I have never been stuck on a 4 wheel drive tractor with a loader. However, getting stuck with a mower on the back makes it all more difficult. But I have been driving tractors since I was 4. We did not have the little battery powered things when i was little. lol
lift the front end with loader put planks, under the wheels 2x12 under the front wheels. drive out. the rear wheel that is step on break slow the spin and cause the one not spinning to spin.
I am surprised that you did not use your pickup truck. The B2601 is way too light. Anyway, you got it out, just took a bit longer. The mud is always tuff to get out of.
I was concerned when John was cranking on the come-along, it looked like he was straddling the cable. That could have hurt if something came undone. Otherwise, good recovery.
I have my tractor stuck with a brush hog attached a lot deeper on all 4 wheels in standing water. There is a much simpler and safer way to get them out without the need of another tractor to pull it out
These tractors dont have granny gear ? Whats the hurry in pulling something out of the mud. Example. Put your open hand in a tub of water. See how fast you can push it through the water. Then... using your open hand and move it slowly. Whats the difference ? Its called.......releasing suction !!!!! Move slow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a skid loader come out and pull a full sized combine buried in mud. First.....buried the skid loader.........use the winch on the skid loader.... inch by inch it came out ! Never move fast in mud !
I have a winch and a chain. It's about 10 degrees out right now. Wait tell it warm up a few degrees so not to freeze. Trying to clean my small pond out. Can't say it's mud. I'd say more like muck.
Scary to see when people use a chain to move a stuck vehicle. Always lay a heavy tarp or blanket on then if the chain snaps it won’t smack you or a bystander in the head.
3:56 Paused to say how bad of an idea this is. You have no leverage with the bucket up high like that, someone not careful as you could get really hurt not knowing this
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@m9 ovich thanks Mike!
Youns are both so cute AND knowledgeable!!!! I really like your drone shot!!!!
Thank you, Margaret! Teamwork!
Good neighbor Ed. Never fun getting a tractor unstuck.
Well it was KIND OF fun… this time 😄
Great job Ed, you came to the rescue. When in a jam, it's always nice to have that extra set of ideas of another person. Tell John thanks for the video contents.
Thanks, Mike. Yes I appreciate that John thought to call on me. 👍
So true, a second set of eyes and mind can help.
Oh man that was some soupy mud!
The front end loader was moving it a bit!
Great Drone shot!
Triumphant! LOL @ the stuck boot!
Have a great week!
Well I have a Kubota Grand L3240 and was going along and found Clay I sunk it clear down to the floor in mud. I got it out on its own power by raising the front tires with the loader and putting a piece of firewood under the tires. Then I put a couple limbs under the back tires to make a ramp. It walked right out on its own.
Very nice, James!
Plan B “2601” Plan C Plan D. Very clever. Great video.
Thanks much!
Everyone loves a stuck equipment video.
Excellent! Well done guys! Watch the Family Jewels! Haha. Love the Plans! Haha
🤣🤣🤣
Hi Ed! That did look hopeless with what you had to work with, but the come-along plus your brilliant insight to curl the bucket with the chain around it saved the day. Well done! I enjoyed seeing you two overcome the situation.
Thank you, Martin. We were surely ready to give up (and call in the big guns!). Thanks so much.
You are a good friend Ed. It looked like a tough situation. There is a certain satisfaction using brain power and experience in finding a solution. I liked how you curled the bucket over the chain. Good job. I am going to remember that. I hope John fences off that area, never to return.
Thank you, Gerry. I’ll remember that trick in the future too!
Good work guys. Team work makes all the difference
Thanks, Bryan!
That tractor looks much bigger when it’s not buried in the mud! Nice work.
It’s a good sized tractor for sure!
Fine Bush Hog! I got a BH15 and love it.
I've yet to find myself in this situation, but I know one day it's coming!
You have “real” quicksand down there, right Andrew?! 😄
Ed that speaks volumes about you to be the one people call when they help. If we all strived to be that person what a nice world we would live in. If I'm remembered for anything I want people to say "he'd do anything for ya".
Thanks so much. My experience is that people are generally good when you get together face to face. If that’s the person you are, I’m sure that’s how you’ll be remembered. Cheers!
Ed, you made me nervous straddling that cable!
Luckily there was a tree in front of me! 😄
Genius
Well played
That’s a big tractor
Good Job Guys !
Thanks for sharing
Phil
PFON
Thanks, Phil!
Yup that was stuck! I'll remember the bucket curl using the chain, nice tip. Have a great day Ed! 👍🏝🍻☕️🌴
Thanks, Mark. May you never need it! 😄
Nice job Ed!
Thank you, George!
Good job Ed. You taught me something yet again! Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Being stuck with a bush hog on is the worst. I’ve had my BX buried so far the bush hog was raised to the top and still bottomed out. I had to disconnect to keep from tearing it up. You guys did good. Thanks for sharing!
We were literally moments from giving up! Thanks!
What you've got there is a perfect start of a watering hole for the deer! There's even a spring there to keep it filled!
That’s True, Dean. Theres a big pond fed by the same spring nearby 👍
Good team work and smart thinking
Thanks, Richard!
Great job, guys! Yankee ingenuity at its finest!
I guess I’m a Yankee Doodle Dandy 🤣
@@MyClutteredGarage 😂
Very well done guys. I am the King of getting stuck
Then you must also be rte king of getting out, Gary! 😄
@@MyClutteredGarage , it is probably a good thing that my Dad has passed on. Wow, could he ever tell some stories on me!
TnT would help too you can pick up your attachment higher. Good job getting it out
I love your ingenuity and as always a sense of humor. I got the same thought as you about curling the bucket. Plan E would have been start digging out the rear tires and insert 2x10’s with cleats under the tires.
I’d probably make it to plan G (give up!). Thanks, James. 😄
Very exciting, congratulations!!!
Thanks, John! It wasn’t looking good!
Plan Duh! I was watching the chain around the bucket while you were using the come-along, and thinking 'perhaps curling the bucket will help'. Great minds think alike! Very enjoyable video. Boy, she was sunk down!!
I’m moving that one to plan A next time 😄🤣
Great job on getting the tractor out and this video kept me in suspense the entire time which is a winning formula😉
Thank you, Brock. We almost had to call in a green machine! 😄
Isn’t it nice when a plan comes together! That thing was buried, first try might not always work but you guys got it done !
Even when it’s a plan D 😄
Nice job Ed! I’ve actually come close to getting mine stuck several times. It’s easier than most people would think.
Thanks Adam. And harder to get out than most people think! 😄
Great video! And the next one can be your neighbor helping you pull your leg out of the wet mud!
Haha, Right Terry!
Mission accomplished! Nice job guys. It's that time of year for many of us so a good reminder to tread carefully through those unknowns and muddy areas of the property! Cheers!
Thank you, Gord!
Nice job getting the track out nice way of doing it and thinking 👍
Thank you, Dean!
@@MyClutteredGarage No problem great video
I have had success with pulling myself out with the the busket, but never had any luck pushing the tractor out backwards. Several years ago I had a Kubota L 2950 and got stuck about the same way, my transmission was buried into mud, I had to have a bigger tractor come pull me out. And like your friend, I had the R-1 agriculture tires. I hafta say those tires might be better at not getting you stuck, but they also will dig in and get you buried much quicker than the R4 tires. Especially in wet soggy ground. That was a good idea Ed, curling the bucket against the chain. I wouldn't have thought of that, but it got you out.
Thanks Dean. This was really one of the worse stuck situations I’ve experienced. We were lucky that there were trees nearby!
That Ed...always thinkin', thinkin', thinkin! "Plan B(2601)"..."Plan C(ome Along)"..."Plan D(uh)". It's the little things that makes this channel so darned great. And to top it all off, Ed not only slips in with the winning idea, but I notice who was in the seat when the tractor finally drove out! 😉👍😎
Well done Ed!
Thanks Chris. Sometimes the best ideas (titles and final attempt) come unexpectedly!
There is an old but dangerous farmers trick that almost always works. Take a 6 inch x 6 foot log and put it behind the back wheels, next chain it to the wheels (not all tractors have holes in the rims) make sure to avoid the fill valve. Now carefully back up the tractor until it lifts itself out of the hole. Back in the day occasionally a farmer would get crushed if they chained it in the front and drove it forward and had no draw bar to stop the log or the log broke and flew up and hit them. I always use a log large enough to stall the tractor without breaking. This is dangerous work no doubt about it, having said that my grandfather got kicked by a horse and died , farming is always dangerous.
That’s a solid technique, Don. Dangerous indeed and super messy in the mud. But I could see that working! Terrible about your grandfather. Yes, lots of opportunities for accidents around the farm.
Been there and done it here on lake Oconee, GA. Got to cut trees and block under the bucket to lift front end enough to get the back wheels to get enough traction. Mine is a John Deere 4500 same size as yours. Had no trees to use a comealong. Placed logs behind back tires. Had to wait a couple days for the surface mud to dry. Ain't goin down there again when it's wet! Had to take my bush hog off too. I was trying to make a duck blind. Whooo! Seems you had it easier. Thanks for your videos. Got some good pointers from them.
Thanks John. It sure can ruin your day! Appreciate your comments. -Ed
If you would put some logs under your bucket as you try to tilt it back the bucket push the logs into to wet spots and as you go back keep doing that we have also used old tyres under the bucket to stop it sinking into the mud .
Bonus points if you use the B2601 to mow that area. Its much lighter should work... your results may very....
And the New Holland could definitely pull out the B2601!
Great Job getting that tractor unstuck. I recently purchased a more power puller from Wyeth Scott (Made in USA) come along for situations like this. Hope I never need it but have just Incase. Plus helps with felling trees and other items around the property. Keep up the great videos
Thanks Ed K. I own some tools that I hope I never need too 😄
Gee thanks Ed, that brought back bad memories lol, I'm lazy though I just hook the Excavator to it and out it comes. Nice job I picked up a couple of good tips thanks!
Oh if we had an excavator, that would have been plan A! 😄
Good evening Sir, recovery vehicle is an art and not easy to teach either, practices make perfect ( I grown in a swamp area so I had a lots of practice !!! ) You did OUTSTANDINGLY VERY WELL SIR 😉👍👌 and That's how you get experience Sir 👌👍😉 Outstanding video and you have a great friend that own you a lots Cheers 😉👍👌🍻
Thank you, David. We were both about to give up!
@@MyClutteredGarage Your master mind and great life experience help you to overcome that mess with flying color Sir Cheers !!!
I've used a 4x4 post and a couple chains. Put chains thru the rim then around the 4x4 . Drive and repeat. It's slow but it works.
Whatever it takes, Kevin! 👍
Nice job Ed. Ya done good my friend !! I tell you what I do....as soon as I feel the unit is steadily moving forward, I lay into it and don't stop until totally clear. Of course differing conditions call for differing solutions as well. But again...ya done good !! I bet your buddy will think twice before he heads in the area again...LOL and a good time was had by all !!
Thanks, Wendell! We really didn’t think we’d get it out. It was hard th show how bad it was on video.
Ed I’ve used my loader to pull myself out before by raising it while a chain is hooked to an anchor. Just have to be careful not to tip yourself over doing that. Once that rear implement gets down to the mud your definitely in for a struggle. You guys did good showing different methods of extraction. Take care!
Thanks Ben. I also just need multiple machines like you have! 😄
A fourth option exists in a case like this. Chain a cut tree across the back tires to lift the rear of the tractor as you walk it out. Slow and steady is the key. I have used this to lift our 110hp, and numerous friends with 30-60hp tractors. That was great thinking using the bucket to work the chain.
I’ve seen videos of that done! Thanks Kyle.
Good work, guys. I hope I don't ever get mine stuck because I can't get another vehicle down easily. Cool camera shots, btw.
Thanks David!
Oh how I can relate to this one! 10:19 watch them briars!
They are nasty!
I highly suggest a kinetic recovery rope. They will let a far lighter vehicle apply kinetic energy to suck vehicle by running into the rope that will stretch and then apply force like a rubber band. It isn't violent then running into tow strap or chain. Rhino probably makes the best quality to price one. Yankum and BubbaRope are the high end ones. Get summer soft shackles to go with it though. With one of those a pickup would have pulled that tractor out.
That is very dangerous. I would never try that. I have seen other people do that pulling stumps. Bad results.
@@brianhillis3701 Kinetic ropes are safe as long as you have solid attachment points and you use soft shackles. Whole lot safer than a chain or conventional tow strap that can shock load. That being said you should never try to pull a stump with them.
@@C_J_81 everything is safe if everything goes as expected. You neglected wear, knowing the strength, heat disappation, etc. It is not safe because a huge amount of energy is stored in the rope. Yes it can work out well but it requires more knowledge than a guy doing it for the first time is likely to have. They rarely know how to establish good anchor points. Even if they do ihe attachment point may be suspect. I once tied a rope to a 30 inch diameter oak. I happened to lean on the tree and it nearly fell over.
Another option to try is a kinetic tow rope. Check these out on RUclips. Allows a smaller vehicle to pull out a larger one. Works like a sling shot.
Thanks, Vino!
Just bought my first and very used tractor..thought I wanted to dig the creek out ..started to think it was going to b yard art I was stuck so bad
Haha, it doesn't take much!
I loved it
I couldn’t look away while watching, afraid of missing something
Thanks so much Indie Tommy!
Hello. The only thing I could think of in that situation is trying to find someone with a Massey to help.
And a big one at that! 😄
Using a bucket to get you out - tips When you put it down it should be curled all the way back towards the tractor. Then you should only move it about 8 -10 inches. You are not pushing the tractor anymore after that. When you push your self you should never end up scooping. Second, when you are pulling the other tractor you can use your “bucket technique” on the B2601 to increase pulling power dramatically. Third, when pulling out of a very muddy area you should have the stuck tractors bucket flat on the ground curled up so it does not stick into the ground. The bucket acts to disperse weight over a wider area when pulling forward to be a skid and slid over the ground. The lift from the bucket will also raise the front wheels out of the ruts. Bucket chain curl is a good technique. But I prefer to use a tow strap if it is available. Also, a good quality tow strap is sometimes better as they allow you to get a moving start and stretch to bunt the jolt forward as they stretch. I have driven a boomer 40 through a swamp to pull out a UTV and I have never been stuck on a 4 wheel drive tractor with a loader. However, getting stuck with a mower on the back makes it all more difficult. But I have been driving tractors since I was 4. We did not have the little battery powered things when i was little. lol
All great points, Nick! The little battery things are handy when they work. 😄
lift the front end with loader put planks, under the wheels 2x12 under the front wheels. drive out. the rear wheel that is step on break slow the spin and cause the one not spinning to spin.
I am surprised that you did not use your pickup truck. The B2601 is way too light. Anyway, you got it out, just took a bit longer. The mud is always tuff to get out of.
Thought about it after trying the B2601, but was pretty sure the truck wouldn’t have budged it at that point either. Thanks J.O.!
I was concerned when John was cranking on the come-along, it looked like he was straddling the cable. That could have hurt if something came undone. Otherwise, good recovery.
He was smart to hang his bags over the cable 👍👍👍
@@MyClutteredGarage Saw those (good idea when winching), I was concerned about some others.
@@jimmccullough1051 he was also behind the tree for better leverage and protection 👍
The bags do help but a snapping cable can take the bags right with them. Seen that in a couple winching videos online.
Oh and if you want some content you can come over to help us bale hay this summer. But we run all green!
I like green too! 😄
Use the plan D method for removing shrubs, works well
😄😄😄
I have my tractor stuck with a brush hog attached a lot deeper on all 4 wheels in standing water. There is a much simpler and safer way to get them out without the need of another tractor to pull it out
These tractors dont have granny gear ? Whats the hurry in pulling something out of the mud. Example. Put your open hand in a tub of water. See how fast you can push it through the water. Then... using your open hand and move it slowly. Whats the difference ? Its called.......releasing suction !!!!! Move slow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a skid loader come out and pull a full sized combine buried in mud. First.....buried the skid loader.........use the winch on the skid loader.... inch by inch it came out ! Never move fast in mud !
tow straps are better then chains, the stretch lets you "yank" it out
They certainly can be better for that. Thanks for watching.
Note to self, don't call Ed for help unless you want to be a RUclips example. 😂
Haha, for sure!
The shorter you tow line the more pulling power you achieve. Why did you have such long tow chain.
To reach dry hard ground. 👍
Lol my subcompact is stuck in the mud right now
Hope one of these solutions work for you! 😄
I have a winch and a chain. It's about 10 degrees out right now. Wait tell it warm up a few degrees so not to freeze. Trying to clean my small pond out. Can't say it's mud. I'd say more like muck.
Am i wrong or did the tractor have a winch in the front? Was it broken?
Good eye! Yes it does. And yes, it’s broken! 😄
Maybe it's just me, but I would have just used the winch I see mounted on the front of the tractor. Unless it's not working.
Haha, good eye! It’s not working.
I was really hoping to see the angle where the Kubota was struggling to pull it out….
I need more cameras 🤣. You didn’t miss anything. It just spun the tires.
Wait... isn't there a winch on the front of that tractor?
Doh! Haha, not on this one.
I stand corrected. John informed me that there IS a winch but it’s not functional now.
@@MyClutteredGarage LOL should'a fixed that first.
Why didn't you just use the winch on the front of the New Holland?
Good call. It’s not working. Maybe fixing that should be a priority! 😄
Scary to see when people use a chain to move a stuck vehicle. Always lay a heavy tarp or blanket on then if the chain snaps it won’t smack you or a bystander in the head.
Very smart. Thank you.
3:56
Paused to say how bad of an idea this is. You have no leverage with the bucket up high like that, someone not careful as you could get really hurt not knowing this