Zundapp was the 50cc king here in South Africa in the 70's. I couldn't afford one so I ended up with a Fantic which was not too shabby at all; six speed gearbox and everything. I remember fondly whipping the head off just about every weekend to make sure that everything was polished to a mirror finish, in the endless quest for that elusive extra mile per hour to knock king Zundapp off his throne. Great content. Thanks.
Zundapp did not get much traction in the U.S., unfortunately. I had a college friend who acquired a 250 2-stroke single and rode it up from Sarasota, Florida to Amherst, Massachusetts: 1,344 miles, 2,644 kilometers. The generator (alternator?) failed about halfway up and it ran on lantern batteries the rest of the way. That was my start, riding around his girlfriend’s family’s farm. Easy to start and easy to learn.
I like the fanatics. My 14 year old daughter likes fanatics to. So we are restoring two for her. A 50 enduro and a 125 enduro. Engines done and frames powder coated. But lots of polishing and cleaning to put them back to gather. But we have a few years to get them road legal.
I started in May 1976 with a Honda SS50. Unfortunately, a Vauxhall Viva pulled out in front of me. That was the end of it! I bought a new five speed SS50, and I barely lost any money on it as the 30mph restriction came in just before I turned 17 in May 1977. I then bought a CB250G5 and passed my test two weeks later. I now have a troublesome CB360G and a brilliant Yamaha DT3 250 Enduro in my collection. Alistair, not Angela.
@bikerdood1100 Angela tried to pass her CBT years ago, but unfortunately, she suffers from MS, which affects her balance. Angela used to ride pillion with me all the time, but now she's unable to get on a bike. Latterly, she was only comfortable on the FJ1200, but she hasn't been on a bike for two years.
The early sports moped were not restricted until 1977 [I think] my friends all bought secondhand ones to avoid the restriction law. I had a Garelli Tigercross which would do 50 mph, but the one my mates coveted was the Fantic Cabellero. Sorry to be pedantic, keep up the good work!
That's right. My mate's at college in 75/76 had these maroon FS1-Es and were whining around on them at up to 50 mph. I stuck to my Mum's Honda Novio lol, until I'd saved enough for a Suzuki TS100.
Dec 1972 to Aug 1977 (with pedals) were unrestricted, L to R reg FS1-E / DX. Aug 1977 S reg on (no pedals) were restricted FS1-M & DX (with autolube i think) not sure the blue DX you show first is a UK bike as it's not an FS1-E or M model but has a few M parts. Unrestricted to restricted amounted to about 10 - 15mph difference, it was the CBT and restriction to a 12hp 125 that really meant anything, prior to then you could go from a moped @16 to a 100mph 250 @17.
The mopeds pre August 1977 with peddles were NOT restricted to 30 mph and some of the Italian models were really quick at the expense of early engine failure. I had an early 1977 FS1-E and it would do 50 mph with a following wind!
I have a 1982 Vespa PX 125E. It has a separate oil tank and oil is pumped to the engine at a variable rate according to how far the throttle is open. The E in the title denotes electronic ignition. The PX125X was launched in 1977 with oil needing to be added to the fuel tank and mechanical points ignition, and upgraded in 1982 to the PX125E. Later alterations were a disc brake added to the front, clear indicator lenses with orange bulbs and a larger glove box. Production ended in 2017 because it could not meet the new Euro 4 emissions regulations even with the catalytic converter which allowed it to pass the Euro 3 regs.
My first “real” motorcycle was an FS-1, or as it was known in Quebec, the “Quebecois”. 4 speeds to get to 50 klms required pretty quick shifting. But it ran very well for the time I had it, the next season I stepped up to a Yamaha 250 and later in the season went to a classic ride, a ‘72 Kwacker 350 triple. That bike taught me speed and control, so of course the year after that I went full blast onto a brand new bike, the 1976 Yamaha RD400c. 2nd best ride ever.
In 1975 my first bike was a Puch M50 sport. I can't remember how much it cost but I do remember I looked after it very well, constantly cleaning it and servicing it regularly, my mate had one too, he never looked after it and it was measurably faster than mine.
There was no 30mph restriction on the 16ner specials originally Honda SS50, Yamaha FS1E, Suzuki AP50, Garelli Tiger and Reckord all had pedals and delivered similar performance (45-50mph) I had Reckord and FSIE through 74/5 both great machines but the Italian Garellli was poorly made (electrics!!)
As others have mentioned, mopeds were only restricted to 30mph from 'S' suffix reg - ie August 1977. Most of the Fizzies you showed were unrestricted. As I became 16 in September 1977, I remember the change vividly with the 'restricted' versions of mopeds arriving in the dealers from April/May 1977, and the unrestricted versions being snapped up in a mad rush. To dodge the law, I had bought a brand new Puch Grand Prix in February 77..... Re the Suzuki AP50, compared to the Fizzy it was considered generally to be a couple of mph faster and was better on ahill - partly because of the disc valve enabled mid range you mentioned, but also because it had a 5 speed box lessening the gear swapping WAAAAAAAAHHHH... clunk..... bluuuuuurrrrrgh...... clunk.... WAAAAAAAAH effect! But where the AP failed against the Fizzy was in two places - firstly, the handling; the suspension was so soft and underdamped that any bumpy corner had the thing bouncing and weaving like a ping pong ball in a weir, and that the AP engine was definitely a little more fragile than the Fizzy if it was perpetually thrashed and undermaintained - which let's face it, is exactly how a 16 year old treated them!!
as a 11yr old kid back in the early 70s me and my pal used to find the c 50 c70 and yam enduros in the local canals we pull them out dry them out change the oil and fuel and ride them on the unused canal paths and old mineing sites ,allways on the look out for the old bill ,found a vincent off roader on one trip near a bridge ,took 4 of us to pull it out great fun to ride along fields and paths and learning to work on engines,my best pals first road legal bike was a fisie a imported version with drop bars on it and race stuff ,mine was a rd 50 a good few yrs after as ii was banned for 18 mnths before i got a licence
The restricted fs1e had a rubber restriction (smaller round tube) connecting the airfilter box…..this one has the square bigger section for the rubber connector
Hello there, I started and learned to ride on very heavy and fun Franz's Barnett 200cc two stroke and loved that little bike to pieces. Then progressed to a Suzuki 380 GT, then to a Yamaha XS 400RK and then finally to the Suzuki GXS 1100 Katana. Quite the big jump in power and fast (no pun intended) leaning curve.
I learned to ride on a Honda CD175 and I wish I'd completed its restoration but it ended up scrapped in bits. I also had the experience of riding my brother's Casal 50cc moped. This was before the 30mph limit was placed on mopeds in 1977. That was definitely faster than a Fizzy.
Interesting. I've always been amazed at the astronomic prices of things like FS1Es etc. I'd spent my early teens racing motocross on a selection of bikes obviously more powerful and sophisticated than the mopeds on offer. I waited until I was 17 as all I wanted was a vehicle to get me away from Stoke on Trent, the dire place I had to grow up in. I always thought, aesthetically and performance wise the AP50 was preferable to the FS1E and, inexplicably, I always liked the quirkiness of the SS50. Very interesting video. Thanks.
I had an AP50 in 1979. I left my house at 12.01am on my 16th birthday. I rode that bike with 10 freinds all day long. I used 2 tanks of gas and maybe a 1/2 litre of 2 stroke oil. I thought I was as cool as cucumber. I'm still riding today because of that bike. Luv your videos👍
My very first bike, in 1970, was a Honda Cub (although nobody called them that then, they were just a Honda 50). Mine was a 1965 model, confusingly called a C100, although it was actually 49cc. I can't remember where that ended up, probably passed on to another 16 year old, but I very soon moved on to a Triumph Tiger Cub, my first proper bike, 200cc, conventional clutch and 4-speed gearbox. Several of my friends had Bantams, but I always preferred a 4-stroke. The Tiger Cub taught me more than I wanted to know about engine maintenance and repairs, and gave me a good grounding for my future career as a mechanic. It didn't put me off Triumphs, though, and I've had my 1978 Bonneville for 30 years now.
@@rickconstant6106 indeed, I had an old c100 motor at some point that I was fiddling around with bit the kick start shaft was sheered off, not uncommon on early motors apparently
The Yamaha FS1 was also sold in The Netherlands as the FS1P. It was restricted at 40 km/h but were most of the time hopped up by it's owners. Actually the pedal system was designed by a guy wo worked by the dutch yamaha importer named Ludy Beumer.The design of it was not patended en later thankfully copied by suzuki and Honda.
@@bikerdood1100 I send jou this link about the history of the fs1 in the Netherlands. Maybe jou van translate it with Google. Many thanks for your video's.
Here in Canada in the 1980s when I cane into biking we had the leftovers from the 1970s. Kawasaki ke 100, 175, Suzuki Gt 185, ant then I bought a Kawasaki 350 triple in a box, that was a beast and it taught me a lot about turning wrenches.going to school one morning I holed a piston, Limped home, swapped out the piston and continued on to school. I was a little late and smelled of fuel, But I made it.
An interesting and fun video. Thank you. I love those small bikes. They are so light and peppy. In the 70s I had a 90cc Kawasaki G3 street bike and then a 100cc Kawasaki G4 trail bike. Both had disk valves and were capable of around 60mph. The G4 could climb any hill because of its very low first gear. But my favourite bike was my Honda S90. Although a bit slower than the Kawasakis, the four stroke engine sounded so much more civilized than the two strokes. Cheers from Canada :-)
Hello, the mopeds are in very good condition, they have also in 85cc yamaha in the same style, don t forget the Kreidler Florett and 2 other models very powerfull. I am 65 years old and it was a very god times to drive those engines, whe where world champions of the world when whe rode on the small roads, sorry for my english, I m french... obody is perfect! I love your videos, it s a god memory, such th shame, now it s 4 stroke, beurk!
hi, my first bike was a 1976 Fs1e and was nearly killed many times by my appalling driving at 16.. thankfully made it to my 30s and ended up living in Germany, where I often borrowed, my then girlfriends day's old DKW 125.. just to use for nipping down to the local lake for a swim in the summer evenings.. both great memories, not sure about the bikes 🤔
I had a couple of fizzies back in the day. A few mates had the AP 50's. The AP's were faster but every one of my mates who had them had big end failure.
I had a new, disc braked, Fizzy in 1976 and it wasn't restricted to 30 mph. It didn't do the 50mph we all claimed either. Funny how mine ran on pre-mix not autolube! And it was always that bit slower than my mates' AP50 🙄.
0:55 The 30 mph restriction only came in when they changed the legal definition and pedals were no longer required. Fizzies with pedals can be tuned as much as you like.
@@MadBiker-vj5qj well you can tune any bike as much as you like If you have the appropriate license of course With a full bike license you can do what you want with them But when the law changed in the Uk at 16 it was 30mph only We’ll officially officer Not sure the cops would actually know the difference 😂
FS1E was disc valve !!! and the AP50 was a good few years later. before it apeared in volume in uk roads. at the time of launch of FS1E its competitor as far as "sports bike or whatever" was a Portuguese bike called a Casal and the Honda SS50
Thank you for this interesting compilation! Of course, nowadays 'overpriced' always means that there are people who are willing to pay these prices. In Germany, the prices for 50cc Kreidler, Zündapp, Hercules and (austrian) Puch from the 60's and 70's are enormous. Japanese models never had a real chance here, no youngster wanted to be seen on a fizzy 🙂 The Honda Cub was also very rare in Germany, only Dax and Monkey played a certain role. The most expensive small motorcycle from back then is now the Zündapp KS 125, with prices up to 10,000 euros (£8,800) in good condition. It's so rare because it was never a beginner's bike back then. At that time you needed a normal motorcycle driving license from the age of 18 to drive it, and with the same driving license you were allowed to drive any (bigger) motorcycle at that time. Where the UK and German markets are similar is in classic Vespa prices; for the price of an original Faro Basso you can also get a new small car 🙂
It’s a bit of of a mystery to me really for the same money I could easily get a classic bike with a few more Cc’s and more history I wouldn’t buy a car, I do own a car but I don’t enjoy it. My son recently bought a 70s Moto Guzzi and a Ducati SS for less money than one of these small bikes are selling for, hence why I described them as over priced, absolutely crazy
My dad gave me a 1966 Sears , Gilera 106 in 1982 when I was 13. I learned how to ride on it. He gave me a 1973 CB350 in 1989 for the street. Red white and blue, and held together with rust. I didn't care that it looked awful. I had a bike. Wish I still had that Sears bike.
As a 15 year old at that time and my old man having a Honda 750 previously, I thought these mopeds were a bit of a joke and wanted a Honda 400 four as my 1st bike. It never happened that way, but kids and dreams eh. Years later my first bike was a mid 80's Yamaha DT-125LC. Great bike it was. Took loads of abuse and never complained.
1st August 1977 to be exact. I remember. That way police could tell if a moped was supposed to be restricted to 30 or not by the suffix on the registration number. 'S' started on 1st August 1977.
I'm sure my FS1e wasn't restricted to 30mph. Remember it had the ridiculous pedals but definitely good for up to 50mph. Had mine second hand in 79 but built in 75/76.
@@bikerdood1100 FS! or FS!E for UK (E was seen as denoting English having pedals before Setember 1977) was unrestricted before 77 because with restriction and the removal of the pedals the machine then became the FS1-M (moped), also the Yamaha was rotary disc valve induction (same as the AP the giveaway is the carb is down next to the crank in the right hand casing) whereas the first UK Yamaha moped styled along "big bike" lines with reed valve induction was the RD50 M.
Great video! I'd hoped to see a Honda SS50 in there, as it was my first bike (40 years ago this August!). Maybe you could do a feature on the timeline of the SS, as it was an overlooked and underrated little bike, overshadowed by the Fizzy (as they all were!). But the SS was a great learner bike...especially if you swapped the top end for one off a C70! Just a thought! 😁👍
@@bikerdood1100 So was the Yamaha. One can see the absence of a carb and inlet tract at the rear of the barrel and the right hand engine case is extended.
My elder brother had a 1966 Honda 50(cub) which he bought new to go the 15mile round trip to work on,a mile of which was on a dirt road,he also used it to go fishing on it too. After about five or six years use he asked me to service it for him,in all that time he'd never ever cleaned or had it serviced. I dropped the oil which was like treacle cleaned the oil and air filter,adjusted the clutch and lubed the cables,adjusted and lubed the chain,which was very dry but clean in the fully enclosed casing.The rear tyre was bald and when I asked him if I should get him a new one he replied "it's OK it's only for work"! Two years later he was stopped by the police for not stopping at Stop sign,it turned out he'd been riding it all that time after his first year of ownership without tax,insurance or MOT and hadn't renewed his learner licence!!!!! One thing's for sure though is the durability of those incredible bikes!
A good video would be all the Italian 50cc from the 70s... I absolutely loved my Malagutti Monte. There's a video on RUclips of one and even now it looks beautiful.
Your FS-1 , looks like the SS versions , we had in the start 70 's ....The FS-1 had the brakedisk and another sideshield , here in Denmark ....Later they were restricted to 2 speed and 60 kg , like all mopeds in Denmark ....and all the time , they were only leagally allowed to drive 20 mph ( never did) haha
@@bikerdood1100 the old ones, had valve rotary and thats why , I conected it to a ss model with big fueltank and small shields. The later ones, were K model ( drum brake) or dx (disc brake) , and the last 4 speed, was app. sold in 79 in Denmark....then it got boring ;)
Back in the early 80's we all had Fs1-e & some AP50's & normally bought them for around £100. I wish i still had my FS1-E DX, AND I STILL WISH I HAD KEPT MY NEXT BIKE , Rd250 D. In hindsight i wish i could have bought up all the fizz's that we had, i could retire now.
Regarding the Cub. The new C125 version, when buying S/H ( just a couple of years old ) is, quite often cheaper than the the older C90s and C110s, which are quite often 30 years, or so, old.
I had a Fizz with a disk brake (a DX) in 1977. It was almost as unreliable as the BMW I was unlucky enough to own in 1985. Several friends had AP 50s and they always seemed much better to me. The Honda cub is a design icon and given the most rudimentary care will run and run.
My first bike was a '66 Yamaha 60cc. Pressed steel frame and 60mph available. Oil injection, the only problem I had was once when I let the oil tank run dry. Don't see any of these for sale these days, but I'm sure they would be overpriced.
Wow this Vlog took me back way back 1970 and may first FS1E ,then a Supersix then a Hustler it you,sd to make my mates mad on there much older,and , then seemed antiquated British 650,s , by 18 I was in a car and never rode a bike again until recently I'm back on 2wheels again and smok a about on an ancient BSA M21 600,and love the old Thumper,ps so does the Wife
@@bikerdood1100 Well, it's a pity you didn't mention the restriction happened in 1977. And the FS1E used a rotary disc valve NOT a reed valve. Pity you didn't know 🙄
These sports mopeds weren’t restricted in the Uk until 1977 when the 30mph speed restriction came in, also at that point the pedals no longer became a requirement in legislation.
In the process totally destroying the market. Teenagers no longer wanted a bike if it could only do 30. Apart from the lack of the fun factor teenagers would quickly find themselves in potential danger on a main road wobbling along at 25-30 with everything else thundering past at 40 plus. No wonder they gave up riding - they must have been terrified.
My fs1 1979 ran 80mph. price is OK after all it was the golden standard for more than 20 year's the Ferrari of mopeds and the most successful ever made. with new bearings high-speed camshaft 45mm cylinder 16mn carb /intake and the 12.8 boss exhaust it sounds like a 80cc dirt bike of the time and almost run like one. Nothing beats a well tuned yamaha fs1 4gears with disc brake , polished engine, custom paint job and all the tricked out high performance parts.
I never had a 50 cc borrowed my mates fs1e then went out bought a Suzuki GT 250 ramair passed my test April 1977 straight to horseman's bought a Kawasaki z1000 a2 1015cc
30mph restriction only came onto force in 1978 so the video is partly incorrect for the AP and FS1E As standard pre 78 models would pull to approximately 50mph with out any alteration needed
Actually there was no restriction on moped speeds in the U.K. until about 1977 . Before that they just had to be 50 cc & under & also be fitted with pedals & able to also be propelled by them . The U.K. government brought the 16 moped law in thinking that mopeds would remain as pedal & pop traditional slow peds . The Japanese got around the law ,by bringing out versions of 50 cc motorcycles & added pedals to them to get around the law . This created the sports mopeds capable of speeds of 45 - 50 mph & more on some of the Italian mopeds . These faster mopeds were totally legal in the uK . After a few years the U.K. government didn’t like this ,so the brought out a new moped law ,that didn’t require any pedals fitting but restricted all new mopeds to 30 mph . People who owned or rode mopeds before that date could still ride models with speeds faster than 30 mph as long as the pedal were left on . As far as I know even these old sports fizzies ,Suzi AP 50 s & other sports mopeds with pedals that are unrestricted reg before 1977 are still legal to ride on moped learner or full moped licence at 16 years of age & above .
@@bikerdood1100 it’s just some people younger than me get confused with the old moped laws of pre 1977 & the later ones . My 1972 c50 was 49 cc & was classed as a motorcycle ,it could do 4O - 45 & occasionally on a long run warmed up hit 53mph on clock down a slight incline . Which I think all small 50 cc bikes & mopeds should be able to do for safety to keep with the flow of urban traffic . 28 - 30 mph in modern aggressive traffic ,is dangerous top speed ,& dangerous making riders more vulnerable . 👍
@@maskedavenger2578 very try when my son was 16 we got a two stroke scooter, easy to ride and de restricted. I wad not going to let him ride around at 28 mph Law be dammed
@@bikerdood1100 I remember even after the new moped law came in . The new Fizzies where being derestricted & there was a market in go faster parts barrels & such . Some of them ended up slower but sounding faster with ridiculous loud cans . I never had one sports moped overtake my 1972 c50 my 1973 c70 or Suzukis version of a Honda c 90 the FR 80 two stroke that I used to get to work in the early 1980 ‘s . Most of them were all noise & not much go .👍
@@bikerdood1100 Presumably based on urban limits, but that's a guess. Virtually every unrestricted 'ped I rode indicated 52... Given that they all more or less had 4-5 bhp, it figures. Add carbon choking over miles it wasn't always obvious which one would be quicker, but if there was a clutch of them the AP always seemed just to have the edge. All good fun though! Ps. Just read the 80mph comment and can only conclude if he put a camshaft in a two stroke he's a wind up merchant. And my brother had an ex works Kriedler GP bike, so that's the 50cc performance top trumps sorted. 🙂
When was the clip at 0:17 filmed? There's a McDonalds there now, but I didn't see it in the video. I had a 1976/7 pre-restriction Fizzy, and it regularly got to 50mph (on the clock, anyway!). As for these bikes being overpriced? No they're not: like every product, their prices are simply determined by the market.
give me an XL185 anyday!!.....my first bike, fun, bulletproof and i'm still amazed even now how high it could jump and how i've still got both my balls attached 😂
@@bikerdood1100 I rode a Piaggio once . Didn't like the feel of it . I felt trapped in the shroud . While it probably is easier to eject yourself from it , It didn't feel that way .
@@charliepatterson9321 I thought that then it pissed down and my leg’s stayed dry I had a healthy respect for scooters these days especially after I owned an aprillia 500 scooter that thing cornered like a traditional motorcycle
Here in Denmark we were restricted to 30 km/h, so rather boring compared to our naighbours.. But prizes here are throurgh the roof on 50 cc to, they realy have become fassionable.
I also started biking on an AP50 and as with all my 2 stroke Suzuki's (GT185 and GT750) it seized. I really don't understand the current crazy prices for 2 strokes. All I can say is that everyone else must of had a completely different experience of them than me. I have no nostalgic wish to every own one again, they just scream, are very uneconomical and extremely unreliable. The only bike I currently own that I used to ride in the late 70's is a CX500 , very reliable and way ahead of it's time, let's face it Moto Guzzi have only just brought out a water cooled V twin in the V100, Honda did it in 1978. Not sure what will happen to all these old 2 strokes in a few more years when eventually people realise just how rubbish they are.
Definitely overpriced and probably unsuitable for todays traffic, I am amazed people will pay so much for motorcycles we used to buy on odd job money. In the 1960's it was necessary to modify everthing and in the quest for ultimate speed many parts were removed. I can honestly say that no motorcycle ever evaded engineering enhancements, or the scrap heap ,by which time there wasn't too much left anyway. My father , who knew nothing anyway, in spite of owning some of the finest motorcycles ever made, was at quite a loss to explain to my mother the wastage of money. When the Suzuki Ts series . and the Honda xl s came on the scene in the 1970's it was sheer bliss and they can still hold their own today, I now ride, or at least sit on. a Keeway Logic 125 cc which has incredible accelaration up to about 20 kilometers per hour on to a blistering 90 KPH quite enough for a doddering old 75 year worlds old teenager hurtling around on hairy Slovak roads. I sincerely hope you will continue making these videos for a long time, because they are clearly appreciated by a wide audience and perhaps rather selfishly I too enjoy them..
Zundapp was the 50cc king here in South Africa in the 70's. I couldn't afford one so I ended up with a Fantic which was not too shabby at all; six speed gearbox and everything. I remember fondly whipping the head off just about every weekend to make sure that everything was polished to a mirror finish, in the endless quest for that elusive extra mile per hour to knock king Zundapp off his throne. Great content. Thanks.
Always need lots of gears on these type of bikes
Zundapp did not get much traction in the U.S., unfortunately. I had a college friend who acquired a 250 2-stroke single and rode it up from Sarasota, Florida to Amherst, Massachusetts: 1,344 miles, 2,644 kilometers. The generator (alternator?) failed about halfway up and it ran on lantern batteries the rest of the way.
That was my start, riding around his girlfriend’s family’s farm. Easy to start and easy to learn.
I like the fanatics. My 14 year old daughter likes fanatics to. So we are restoring two for her. A 50 enduro and a 125 enduro. Engines done and frames powder coated. But lots of polishing and cleaning to put them back to gather. But we have a few years to get them road legal.
The first bike I ever rode in JHB!
I started in May 1976 with a Honda SS50. Unfortunately, a Vauxhall Viva pulled out in front of me. That was the end of it! I bought a new five speed SS50, and I barely lost any money on it as the 30mph restriction came in just before I turned 17 in May 1977. I then bought a CB250G5 and passed my test two weeks later.
I now have a troublesome CB360G and a brilliant Yamaha DT3 250 Enduro in my collection. Alistair, not Angela.
Hope Angela rides too
If no teach her and she can never complain when you go out for a ride
@bikerdood1100 Angela tried to pass her CBT years ago, but unfortunately, she suffers from MS, which affects her balance.
Angela used to ride pillion with me all the time, but now she's unable to get on a bike. Latterly, she was only comfortable on the FJ1200, but she hasn't been on a bike for two years.
@@banditbabe1 that’s a real shame.
Hope she looks after herself, particularly in the cold weather
The Ap50 and fizzy both had disc valves, the fizzy used a cut away type and the Ap50 valve used a hole in the valve
I know the AP much better
@@bikerdood1100 I made my comment, because you said the fizzy has a reed valve
@@Alien937 true, one small error about a tiny engine
@@bikerdood1100 I do enjoy your videos 👍
@@Alien937 ta
The early sports moped were not restricted until 1977 [I think] my friends all bought secondhand ones to avoid the restriction law. I had a Garelli Tigercross which would do 50 mph, but the one my mates coveted was the Fantic Cabellero. Sorry to be pedantic, keep up the good work!
After 77 as you say they were
That's right. My mate's at college in 75/76 had these maroon FS1-Es and were whining around on them at up to 50 mph. I stuck to my Mum's Honda Novio lol, until I'd saved enough for a Suzuki TS100.
Dec 1972 to Aug 1977 (with pedals) were unrestricted, L to R reg FS1-E / DX.
Aug 1977 S reg on (no pedals) were restricted FS1-M & DX (with autolube i think)
not sure the blue DX you show first is a UK bike as it's not an FS1-E or M model but has a few M parts. Unrestricted to restricted amounted to about 10 - 15mph difference, it was the CBT and restriction to a 12hp 125 that really meant anything, prior to then you could go from a moped @16 to a 100mph 250 @17.
@@mc2594 yea we know
These days it’s 28mph 45kph
JUST FOR XTRA DANGER ⚠️
@@bikerdood1100 - be nice to see some 1970's 250's _hint hint_
The mopeds pre August 1977 with peddles were NOT restricted to 30 mph and some of the Italian models were really quick at the expense of early engine failure. I had an early 1977 FS1-E and it would do 50 mph with a following wind!
Yes I’m aware but I didn’t want to do an exhaustive list really maybe for another video
The BSA Bushman is beautiful machine, thanks for sharing.
cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Very useful devices
Getting a bit collectible now
I have a 1982 Vespa PX 125E. It has a separate oil tank and oil is pumped to the engine at a variable rate according to how far the throttle is open. The E in the title denotes electronic ignition. The PX125X was launched in 1977 with oil needing to be added to the fuel tank and mechanical points ignition, and upgraded in 1982 to the PX125E. Later alterations were a disc brake added to the front, clear indicator lenses with orange bulbs and a larger glove box. Production ended in 2017 because it could not meet the new Euro 4 emissions regulations even with the catalytic converter which allowed it to pass the Euro 3 regs.
Automatic oiling is much older than you think
Scott two strokes had automatic oiling in the 1920s
Automatic oiling is much older than you think
Scott two strokes had automatic oiling in the 1920s
My first “real” motorcycle was an FS-1, or as it was known in Quebec, the “Quebecois”. 4 speeds to get to 50 klms required pretty quick shifting. But it ran very well for the time I had it, the next season I stepped up to a Yamaha 250 and later in the season went to a classic ride, a ‘72 Kwacker 350 triple. That bike taught me speed and control, so of course the year after that I went full blast onto a brand new bike, the 1976 Yamaha RD400c. 2nd best ride ever.
Fs was the name in most countries
FS1 E was a version specifically to meet Uk laws
In 1975 my first bike was a Puch M50 sport. I can't remember how much it cost but I do remember I looked after it very well, constantly cleaning it and servicing it regularly, my mate had one too, he never looked after it and it was measurably faster than mine.
Punch used to be such a common site back then
@@bikerdood1100 Sometimes the auto correction does a really good job: Puch = Punch, so true 😀
@@Volker_GR stupid phones have never heard of Puch ?
There was no 30mph restriction on the 16ner specials originally Honda SS50, Yamaha FS1E, Suzuki AP50, Garelli Tiger and Reckord all had pedals and delivered similar performance (45-50mph) I had Reckord and FSIE through 74/5 both great machines but the Italian Garellli was poorly made (electrics!!)
There was by 77
As others have mentioned, mopeds were only restricted to 30mph from 'S' suffix reg - ie August 1977. Most of the Fizzies you showed were unrestricted. As I became 16 in September 1977, I remember the change vividly with the 'restricted' versions of mopeds arriving in the dealers from April/May 1977, and the unrestricted versions being snapped up in a mad rush. To dodge the law, I had bought a brand new Puch Grand Prix in February 77..... Re the Suzuki AP50, compared to the Fizzy it was considered generally to be a couple of mph faster and was better on ahill - partly because of the disc valve enabled mid range you mentioned, but also because it had a 5 speed box lessening the gear swapping WAAAAAAAAHHHH... clunk..... bluuuuuurrrrrgh...... clunk.... WAAAAAAAAH effect! But where the AP failed against the Fizzy was in two places - firstly, the handling; the suspension was so soft and underdamped that any bumpy corner had the thing bouncing and weaving like a ping pong ball in a weir, and that the AP engine was definitely a little more fragile than the Fizzy if it was perpetually thrashed and undermaintained - which let's face it, is exactly how a 16 year old treated them!!
Well it’s hard to find film of the restricted type for some reason. This could simply be that fewer have survived
as a 11yr old kid back in the early 70s me and my pal used to find the c 50 c70 and yam enduros in the local canals we pull them out dry them out change the oil and fuel and ride them on the unused canal paths and old mineing sites ,allways on the look out for the old bill ,found a vincent off roader on one trip near a bridge ,took 4 of us to pull it out great fun to ride along fields and paths and learning to work on engines,my best pals first road legal bike was a fisie a imported version with drop bars on it and race stuff ,mine was a rd 50 a good few yrs after as ii was banned for 18 mnths before i got a licence
Had a similar experience with a c50 that had been on fire
Replaced the fuel pipe and it ran just fine
Somehow
The restricted fs1e had a rubber restriction (smaller round tube) connecting the airfilter box…..this one has the square bigger section for the rubber connector
Interesting
And well spotted
Hello there, I started and learned to ride on very heavy and fun Franz's Barnett 200cc two stroke and loved that little bike to pieces. Then progressed to a Suzuki 380 GT, then to a Yamaha XS 400RK and then finally to the Suzuki GXS 1100 Katana. Quite the big jump in power and fast (no pun intended) leaning curve.
Very big jump from fanny B to Kat . At least it was in bite size lumps.
Always liked the original Katana not so keen on the new one
I learned to ride on a Honda CD175 and I wish I'd completed its restoration but it ended up scrapped in bits. I also had the experience of riding my brother's Casal 50cc moped.
This was before the 30mph limit was placed on mopeds in 1977. That was definitely faster than a Fizzy.
When was young the CD looked massive
It seemed the size of Norton Dominator
Interesting. I've always been amazed at the astronomic prices of things like FS1Es etc. I'd spent my early teens racing motocross on a selection of bikes obviously more powerful and sophisticated than the mopeds on offer. I waited until I was 17 as all I wanted was a vehicle to get me away from Stoke on Trent, the dire place I had to grow up in.
I always thought, aesthetically and performance wise the AP50 was preferable to the FS1E and, inexplicably, I always liked the quirkiness of the SS50. Very interesting video. Thanks.
Fs1e does seem to have a cult status
I’m not sure I understand why either to be honest
I had an AP50 in 1979. I left my house at 12.01am on my 16th birthday. I rode that bike with 10 freinds all day long. I used 2 tanks of gas and maybe a 1/2 litre of 2 stroke oil. I thought I was as cool as cucumber. I'm still riding today because of that bike.
Luv your videos👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Had a Yamaha 100 cc twin, fast little beast, now at the age of 68 been riding a 1400 Intruder for the past 16 years.
Uncle of mine had the same Yamaha back in the early 70s I remember
My very first bike, in 1970, was a Honda Cub (although nobody called them that then, they were just a Honda 50). Mine was a 1965 model, confusingly called a C100, although it was actually 49cc. I can't remember where that ended up, probably passed on to another 16 year old, but I very soon moved on to a Triumph Tiger Cub, my first proper bike, 200cc, conventional clutch and 4-speed gearbox. Several of my friends had Bantams, but I always preferred a 4-stroke. The Tiger Cub taught me more than I wanted to know about engine maintenance and repairs, and gave me a good grounding for my future career as a mechanic. It didn't put me off Triumphs, though, and I've had my 1978 Bonneville for 30 years now.
Think the main difference was that the earlier C100 engine was OHV
@@bikerdood1100 That's right, the later C50 was OHC
@@rickconstant6106 indeed, I had an old c100 motor at some point that I was fiddling around with bit the kick start shaft was sheered off, not uncommon on early motors apparently
The Yamaha FS1 was also sold in The Netherlands as the FS1P. It was restricted at 40 km/h but were most of the time hopped up by it's owners. Actually the pedal system was designed by a guy wo worked by the dutch yamaha importer named Ludy Beumer.The design of it was not patended en later thankfully copied by suzuki and Honda.
Interesting 🤔
@@bikerdood1100 I send jou this link about the history of the fs1 in the Netherlands. Maybe jou van translate it with Google. Many thanks for your video's.
Here in Canada in the 1980s when I cane into biking we had the leftovers from the 1970s.
Kawasaki ke 100, 175, Suzuki Gt 185, ant then I bought a Kawasaki 350 triple in a box, that was
a beast and it taught me a lot about turning wrenches.going to school one morning I holed a piston,
Limped home, swapped out the piston and continued on to school. I was a little late and smelled of fuel,
But I made it.
The advantage to crappy bikes is the experience you gain
An interesting and fun video. Thank you. I love those small bikes. They are so light and peppy. In the 70s I had a 90cc Kawasaki G3 street bike and then a 100cc Kawasaki G4 trail bike. Both had disk valves and were capable of around 60mph. The G4 could climb any hill because of its very low first gear. But my favourite bike was my Honda S90. Although a bit slower than the Kawasakis, the four stroke engine sounded so much more civilized than the two strokes. Cheers from Canada :-)
Glad you enjoyed it
Hello, the mopeds are in very good condition, they have also in 85cc yamaha in the same style, don t forget the Kreidler Florett and 2 other models very powerfull. I am 65 years old and it was a very god times to drive those engines, whe where world champions of the world when whe rode on the small roads, sorry for my english, I m french... obody is perfect! I love your videos, it s a god memory, such th shame, now it s 4 stroke, beurk!
No problem
We understand perfectly
Remember the Puch Grand Prix in JPS black and gold
I do in fact
Very 1970s, pin stripes and all
hi, my first bike was a 1976 Fs1e and was nearly killed many times by my appalling driving at 16.. thankfully made it to my 30s and ended up living in Germany, where I often borrowed, my then girlfriends day's old DKW 125.. just to use for nipping down to the local lake for a swim in the summer evenings.. both great memories, not sure about the bikes 🤔
For some bikes are all about the memories they create
I had a couple of fizzies back in the day. A few mates had the AP 50's. The AP's were faster but every one of my mates who had them had big end failure.
Almost like they were being thrashed
No certainly not young folk always take care of the kit 😂
Another great list, maybe one about bikes that were disliked when new but have now become classic or appreciated with time would be a great list
🤔
I like it
one learner bike often overlooked is the Honda CB50J. Designed from the ground up as a 30mph "motorcycle" (it looked like it's bigger brothers)
Remember seeing them around
Mate you took me back to my teenage years when I learned to ride on a Yamaha 80cc 2 stroke road bike.
Glad you enjoyed it
I had a new, disc braked, Fizzy in 1976 and it wasn't restricted to 30 mph. It didn't do the 50mph we all claimed either. Funny how mine ran on pre-mix not autolube! And it was always that bit slower than my mates' AP50 🙄.
Do get some slightly OTT claim it’s true
Some live next to a bid hill I expect
0:55 The 30 mph restriction only came in when they changed the legal definition and pedals were no longer required. Fizzies with pedals can be tuned as much as you like.
Ohh you a few months late there
they can’t if ridden by a modern moped license holder
@@bikerdood1100 Ah my info seems a little out of date then. Sorry for my mis-apprehension.
@@MadBiker-vj5qj well you can tune any bike as much as you like
If you have the appropriate license of course
With a full bike license you can do what you want with them
But when the law changed in the Uk at 16 it was 30mph only
We’ll officially officer
Not sure the cops would actually know the difference 😂
@@bikerdood1100 Yeah, my mate was still riding his 70 mph fizzy after the law change. (Well he said it would do 70 LOL.
@@MadBiker-vj5qj trick is to line somewhere with a big hill
FS1E was disc valve !!! and the AP50 was a good few years later. before it apeared in volume in uk roads. at the time of launch of FS1E its competitor as far as "sports bike or whatever" was a Portuguese bike called a Casal and the Honda SS50
I’ve heard I’d casal of course
Pretty sure they made trials bikes
Thank you for this interesting compilation! Of course, nowadays 'overpriced' always means that there are people who are willing to pay these prices. In Germany, the prices for 50cc Kreidler, Zündapp, Hercules and (austrian) Puch from the 60's and 70's are enormous. Japanese models never had a real chance here, no youngster wanted to be seen on a fizzy 🙂 The Honda Cub was also very rare in Germany, only Dax and Monkey played a certain role. The most expensive small motorcycle from back then is now the Zündapp KS 125, with prices up to 10,000 euros (£8,800) in good condition. It's so rare because it was never a beginner's bike back then. At that time you needed a normal motorcycle driving license from the age of 18 to drive it, and with the same driving license you were allowed to drive any (bigger) motorcycle at that time. Where the UK and German markets are similar is in classic Vespa prices; for the price of an original Faro Basso you can also get a new small car 🙂
I’m aware of the Zundapp KS. Laverda used their engines
It’s a bit of of a mystery to me really for the same money I could easily get a classic bike with a few more Cc’s and more history
I wouldn’t buy a car, I do own a car but I don’t enjoy it.
My son recently bought a 70s Moto Guzzi and a Ducati SS for less money than one of these small bikes are selling for, hence why I described them as over priced, absolutely crazy
My dad gave me a 1966 Sears , Gilera 106 in 1982 when I was 13. I learned how to ride on it. He gave me a 1973 CB350 in 1989 for the street. Red white and blue, and held together with rust. I didn't care that it looked awful. I had a bike. Wish I still had that Sears bike.
Too right those little Gileras are worth a bit now
As a 15 year old at that time and my old man having a Honda 750 previously, I thought these mopeds were a bit of a joke and wanted a Honda 400 four as my 1st bike. It never happened that way, but kids and dreams eh. Years later my first bike was a mid 80's Yamaha DT-125LC. Great bike it was. Took loads of abuse and never complained.
Well in reality, despite the top speed claims of moped owners a 125 is a far better proposition
50cc only restricted to 30 mph in mid 1977 i had suzuki ap 50 new in jan 1977 cost £272 would do 55mph beat all my mates fs1e,s
Had an AP myself. It was surprisingly quick for a 50, thankfully mine had conventional foot pegs, really which I hadn’t wrecked it on fields
1st August 1977 to be exact. I remember. That way police could tell if a moped was supposed to be restricted to 30 or not by the suffix on the registration number. 'S' started on 1st August 1977.
That's my fizzy the purple one 25p a gallon 10pence for a shot of 2stroke 4 gears straight the bike that got me into bikes 50 odd years ago
It’s amazing a few have survived really
They took some serious stick
I had a Honda 90 when I went to university, in the late Sixties. It was so economical that I forgot about it until the engine sputtered to a stop.
Yeh soon or later you do have to put gas in the things
I'm sure my FS1e wasn't restricted to 30mph. Remember it had the ridiculous pedals but definitely good for up to 50mph. Had mine second hand in 79 but built in 75/76.
It was after 77 like everything else,loosing the pointless pedals at the same time
@@bikerdood1100 FS! or FS!E for UK (E was seen as denoting English having pedals before Setember 1977) was unrestricted before 77 because with restriction and the removal of the pedals the machine then became the FS1-M (moped), also the Yamaha was rotary disc valve induction (same as the AP the giveaway is the carb is down next to the crank in the right hand casing) whereas the first UK Yamaha moped styled along "big bike" lines with reed valve induction was the RD50 M.
Great video! I'd hoped to see a Honda SS50 in there, as it was my first bike (40 years ago this August!). Maybe you could do a feature on the timeline of the SS, as it was an overlooked and underrated little bike, overshadowed by the Fizzy (as they all were!). But the SS was a great learner bike...especially if you swapped the top end for one off a C70! Just a thought! 😁👍
Fear not a video specifically about 70s mopeds and featuring the SS is coming soon. In fact I’ve been editing the thing this evening
@@bikerdood1100 No way?! Excellent! I look forward to that! 👍😁
Oh yes, that article in Motor Cycle Mechanics that showed many of us how to make an SS70, happy days. 🙂
The FS1E and the AP50 were disk valve.
Suzi definitely was
@@bikerdood1100 So was the Yamaha. One can see the absence of a carb and inlet tract at the rear of the barrel and the right hand engine case is extended.
Having owned an off-road D14 scrambler at the age of 14 I can also say it was surprisingly fast - particularly for a 3 speed.
D14 is usually a four speed, ours was at least
They are surprisingly quick for what they are no doubt
My elder brother had a 1966 Honda 50(cub) which he bought new to go the 15mile round trip to work on,a mile of which was on a dirt road,he also used it to go fishing on it too.
After about five or six years use he asked me to service it for him,in all that time he'd never ever cleaned or had it serviced.
I dropped the oil which was like treacle cleaned the oil and air filter,adjusted the clutch and lubed the cables,adjusted and lubed the chain,which was very dry but clean in the fully enclosed casing.The rear tyre was bald and when I asked him if I should get him a new one he replied "it's OK it's only for work"!
Two years later he was stopped by the police for not stopping at Stop sign,it turned out he'd been riding it all that time after his first year of ownership without tax,insurance or MOT and hadn't renewed his learner licence!!!!!
One thing's for sure though is the durability of those incredible bikes!
Naught naughty
Those Yamaha and Suzuki examples have rotary valve 2 stroke engine designs popular in the mid 1960s. Hopefully they have better ignitions.
I’m very familiar with rotary or disc valves, had an AP50 and the karts i races used em too
A good video would be all the Italian 50cc from the 70s... I absolutely loved my Malagutti Monte. There's a video on RUclips of one and even now it looks beautiful.
Already planning it
@@bikerdood1100 I've subbed your channel in anticipation. Please include the Malagutti Monte.
Well it won’t be until the weekend in all honesty
Your FS-1 , looks like the SS versions , we had in the start 70 's ....The FS-1 had the brakedisk and another sideshield , here in Denmark ....Later they were restricted to 2 speed and 60 kg , like all mopeds in Denmark ....and all the time , they were only leagally allowed to drive 20 mph ( never did) haha
Oh there was endless versions
Must have cost Yamaha a fortune making so many variations
@@bikerdood1100 the old ones, had valve rotary and thats why , I conected it to a ss model with big fueltank and small shields. The later ones, were K model ( drum brake) or dx (disc brake) , and the last 4 speed, was app. sold in 79 in Denmark....then it got boring ;)
Thanks for your video’s would like to see testi 50cc with others 50cc thanks
Need to do a 50cc only video at some point for sure
Back in the early 80's we all had Fs1-e & some AP50's & normally bought them for around £100. I wish i still had my FS1-E DX, AND I STILL WISH I HAD KEPT MY NEXT BIKE , Rd250 D.
In hindsight i wish i could have bought up all the fizz's that we had, i could retire now.
You wouldn’t get much for £1000 pounds now
Regarding the Cub. The new C125 version, when buying S/H ( just a couple of years old ) is, quite often cheaper than the the older C90s and C110s, which are quite often 30 years, or so, old.
True
Quite a different machine under the skin
I had a Fizz with a disk brake (a DX) in 1977. It was almost as unreliable as the BMW I was unlucky enough to own in 1985. Several friends had AP 50s and they always seemed much better to me.
The Honda cub is a design icon and given the most rudimentary care will run and run.
I suppose that’s exactly what the cub was designed to do. Very Honda , in a good way
My first bike was a '66 Yamaha 60cc. Pressed steel frame and 60mph available. Oil injection, the only problem I had was once when I let the oil tank run dry. Don't see any of these for sale these days, but I'm sure they would be overpriced.
I expect you are correct
Wow this Vlog took me back way back 1970 and may first FS1E ,then a Supersix then a Hustler it you,sd to make my mates mad on there much older,and , then seemed antiquated British 650,s , by 18 I was in a car and never rode a bike again until recently I'm back on 2wheels again and smok a about on an ancient BSA M21 600,and love the old Thumper,ps so does the Wife
Only M21 I’ve ridden was attached to a side car
Longest break I had from biking was when I busted my shoulder a few years back
Never been a car guy
Mopeds were only restricted to 30mph from 1977, before that they could do around 45mph at a push. Well, at least my old Fizzy could!
Yes we know 🙄
@@bikerdood1100
Well, it's a pity you didn't mention the restriction happened in 1977. And the FS1E used a rotary disc valve NOT a reed valve. Pity you didn't know 🙄
Was a learner in 1982, 3 year old second hand fs1e was £150-180 then. £5k now crazy.
Insane indeed
These sports mopeds weren’t restricted in the Uk until 1977 when the 30mph speed restriction came in, also at that point the pedals no longer became a requirement in legislation.
In the process totally destroying the market. Teenagers no longer wanted a bike if it could only do 30. Apart from the lack of the fun factor teenagers would quickly find themselves in potential danger on a main road wobbling along at 25-30 with everything else thundering past at 40 plus. No wonder they gave up riding - they must have been terrified.
Yes we know 🙄
Should never behave been
My fs1 1979 ran 80mph. price is OK after all it was the golden standard for more than 20 year's the Ferrari of mopeds and the most successful ever made.
with new bearings high-speed camshaft 45mm cylinder 16mn carb /intake and the 12.8 boss exhaust it sounds like a 80cc dirt bike of the time and almost run like one. Nothing beats a well tuned yamaha fs1 4gears with disc brake , polished engine, custom paint job and all the tricked out high performance parts.
You must lived by some
Very
Very
Tall hills 😂
3:08 I thought that the Fizzy used a disc valve? the carb is in the cases which is the norm' for a disc valve setup.
Correct
I never had a 50 cc borrowed my mates fs1e then went out bought a Suzuki GT 250 ramair passed my test April 1977 straight to horseman's bought a Kawasaki z1000 a2 1015cc
Well I’ve never owned them either well not exactly
They were never 50 for long
Still have my Susuki a50,new in 1974 did 60mph when new,still does 55.
Holly where you live I expect
@@bikerdood1100 not too sure just what you mean .,sorry
30mph restriction only came onto force in 1978 so the video is partly incorrect for the AP and FS1E
As standard pre 78 models would pull to approximately 50mph with out any alteration needed
Yes yes
We all know
My first bike was a one year old Honda 50 bought in 1967 for 60 pounds.
Bit more than 60 nowadays
Actually there was no restriction on moped speeds in the U.K. until about 1977 . Before that they just had to be 50 cc & under & also be fitted with pedals & able to also be propelled by them . The U.K. government brought the 16 moped law in thinking that mopeds would remain as pedal & pop traditional slow peds . The Japanese got around the law ,by bringing out versions of 50 cc motorcycles & added pedals to them to get around the law . This created the sports mopeds capable of speeds of 45 - 50 mph & more on some of the Italian mopeds . These faster mopeds were totally legal in the uK . After a few years the U.K. government didn’t like this ,so the brought out a new moped law ,that didn’t require any pedals fitting but restricted all new mopeds to 30 mph . People who owned or rode mopeds before that date could still ride models with speeds faster than 30 mph as long as the pedal were left on . As far as I know even these old sports fizzies ,Suzi AP 50 s & other sports mopeds with pedals that are unrestricted reg before 1977 are still legal to ride on moped learner or full moped licence at 16 years of age & above .
Yes we know wasn’t really a video about UK mopes laws
Which are idiotic by the way
@@bikerdood1100 it’s just some people younger than me get confused with the old moped laws of pre 1977 & the later ones . My 1972 c50 was 49 cc & was classed as a motorcycle ,it could do 4O - 45 & occasionally on a long run warmed up hit 53mph on clock down a slight incline . Which I think all small 50 cc bikes & mopeds should be able to do for safety to keep with the flow of urban traffic . 28 - 30 mph in modern aggressive traffic ,is dangerous top speed ,& dangerous making riders more vulnerable . 👍
@@maskedavenger2578 very try when my son was 16 we got a two stroke scooter, easy to ride and de restricted. I wad not going to let him ride around at 28 mph
Law be dammed
@@bikerdood1100 I remember even after the new moped law came in . The new Fizzies where being derestricted & there was a market in go faster parts barrels & such . Some of them ended up slower but sounding faster with ridiculous loud cans . I never had one sports moped overtake my 1972 c50 my 1973 c70 or Suzukis version of a Honda c 90 the FR 80 two stroke that I used to get to work in the early 1980 ‘s . Most of them were all noise & not much go .👍
I had 3 x C90s (all 12V models in succession). Never paid more than £500 for any of them.
We’ll no longer because the world has gone mad
The cub 50 was my first bike
True for so many people. My dad ran one for years and I had two
In 1982 [16 yr old] i had a Suzuki AP 50, and then [sadly] a Suzuki ER 50....i hated that bike with a passion.
Sometimes you get a bike that just doesn’t fit, or is just plain so unreliable you end up hating it
Mopeds weren't restricted prior to 1 August 1977 - the start of the "slowped" era.
Yes we are well aware as per earlier comments, they couldn’t do 80 either as soon claim for some reason. 30 mph, what idiot came up with that I wonder
@@bikerdood1100 Presumably based on urban limits, but that's a guess. Virtually every unrestricted 'ped I rode indicated 52... Given that they all more or less had 4-5 bhp, it figures. Add carbon choking over miles it wasn't always obvious which one would be quicker, but if there was a clutch of them the AP always seemed just to have the edge.
All good fun though!
Ps. Just read the 80mph comment and can only conclude if he put a camshaft in a two stroke he's a wind up merchant.
And my brother had an ex works Kriedler GP bike, so that's the 50cc performance top trumps sorted. 🙂
@@georgealty 80kph more likely or he lives on a very, very steep hill 😂
When was the clip at 0:17 filmed? There's a McDonalds there now, but I didn't see it in the video. I had a 1976/7 pre-restriction Fizzy, and it regularly got to 50mph (on the clock, anyway!). As for these bikes being overpriced? No they're not: like every product, their prices are simply determined by the market.
So you’d pay that much for a moped ?
Piss poor vfm in reality. Look at what you can get for the same money of similar age
Market be damed
@@bikerdood1100 I didn't say I'd pay that amount. I said that the prices are determined by the market.
How about the Honda MB50? It was also sold in England It was basically a tiny sportbike.
I remember those well and the later MBX. Maybe do a video on mopeds of the 80s, lots to choose from
give me an XL185 anyday!!.....my first bike, fun, bulletproof and i'm still amazed even now how high it could jump and how i've still got both my balls attached 😂
Big bike bay the standards of this particular video
The Yamaha is a disk valve also
So we hear
Fun fact ; a bike can be defined as a large group of bees , hornets , or wasps
Vespa
@@bikerdood1100 I rode a Piaggio once . Didn't like the feel of it . I felt trapped in the shroud . While it probably is easier to eject yourself from it , It didn't feel that way .
@@charliepatterson9321 I thought that then it pissed down and my leg’s stayed dry
I had a healthy respect for scooters these days especially after I owned an aprillia 500 scooter that thing cornered like a traditional motorcycle
fs1e was disk valve not reed valve. the later rd 50 was reed valve
Yes yes 🙄
Nonsense, the Fizzie was not restricted to 30mph, only the later ones post 1977
Yes
Literally everyone knows that
But they were still restricted after 77 nonetheless
I literally can't believe how over priced an FS1E is these days. Absolutely insane.
Obscene isn’t it
My fizzy was unrestricted and bought second hand in 1974 and would get up to 50mph, more downhill!
With everything tucked in 😂
Here in Denmark we were restricted to 30 km/h, so rather boring compared to our naighbours.. But prizes here are throurgh the roof on 50 cc to, they realy have become fassionable.
30 kph is really slow isn’t it
Bicycles can go that fast
Yamaha, no Autolube or Reed valve?? Suzuki AP50L CCI and disc valve induction
Yamaha does have autolube
Although it does run a disc valve
What about the Gerelli Record and Tiger ..
It’s in a second video on Italian mopeds I’ve already published
I also started biking on an AP50 and as with all my 2 stroke Suzuki's (GT185 and GT750) it seized. I really don't understand the current crazy prices for 2 strokes. All I can say is that everyone else must of had a completely different experience of them than me. I have no nostalgic wish to every own one again, they just scream, are very uneconomical and extremely unreliable. The only bike I currently own that I used to ride in the late 70's is a CX500 , very reliable and way ahead of it's time, let's face it Moto Guzzi have only just brought out a water cooled V twin in the V100, Honda did it in 1978. Not sure what will happen to all these old 2 strokes in a few more years when eventually people realise just how rubbish they are.
Nostalgia it’s definitely a thing
amazing i just ran across a cub 50 fuel tank sitting in my garage.
Those things get everywhere
@@bikerdood1100 good to know. I think I've had the tank since the early 80s.
Pity the Honda ss 50 wasn't in this ' instead of a barrow.
Well I tried to make it one company one bike or the list could have gone a little crazy
Honda SS50 !!
Yes but only room for so men and I couldn’t ignore the Cub now it’s Uber trendy
Both used Disc valves.
Yes we know 🙄
Honda ss50?
Thought about it, but the Cub is the Honda of the moment
love your vids but the old 50cc was not restricted
Oh in England they were, we had a special de tuned version
My fsie cost £215 in 1976
It wouldn’t now 😂
Deleted? ugh!
Oh dear
bollox my fsie was sold unrestricted in 1976
Everyone knows that
Restricted in 77
So hardly news 😂🙄
Definitely overpriced and probably unsuitable for todays traffic, I am amazed people will pay so much for motorcycles we used to buy on odd job money. In the 1960's it was necessary to modify everthing and in the quest for ultimate speed many parts were removed. I can honestly say that no motorcycle ever evaded engineering enhancements, or the scrap heap ,by which time there wasn't too much left anyway. My father , who knew nothing anyway, in spite of owning some of the finest motorcycles ever made, was at quite a loss to explain to my mother the wastage of money.
When the Suzuki Ts series . and the Honda xl s came on the scene in the 1970's it was sheer bliss and they can still hold their own today, I now ride, or at least sit on. a Keeway Logic 125 cc which has incredible accelaration up to about 20 kilometers per hour on to a blistering 90 KPH quite enough for a doddering old 75 year worlds old teenager hurtling around on hairy Slovak roads. I sincerely hope you will continue making these videos for a long time, because they are clearly appreciated by a wide audience and perhaps rather selfishly I too enjoy them..
Thank you for your comments and feedback
I try and put something out every week sometimes twice a week
Work permitting of course
Leaner or learner ?
Bloody spelling
New green web site I’m trying to save letters
@@bikerdood1100 ..😁
Nsu quickly
In another video