I've had my MLED 2.0 Bi-LED's in my 5th gen 4runner for almost 2 years now and they've been rock solid through all weather and temperatures(including a -29 degree day last year). The difference between OEM and these were huge. Glad to see the technology is getting even better. Thanks for your reviews as you helped me decide to buy from you when it was time.
I have the IV Plus in my Daily and it's little brother (2.5") in my hunting truck. Will be putting them in my Silverado soon too. Nothing bad to say about them at all. I had considered the MLED for all of them but the higher price with less performance made it a no brainer for me.
You guys just earned another subscriber, you give the most realistic unbiased and knowledgeable comparisons that I ever see, please keep up the good work
@@LightwerkzGlobal Look, I hate to be this blunt and rude about it. But your reviews like this, are missing a lot of important detail. I've always cringed about our american reviews of projectors but I'll say this today. Take a look at a channel called "Test Lab". I don't know if it's polish or ukrainian or russian but it will teach you how to actually test the light output of these projectors. Just measuring the hotspot lux is just useless. Please learn about optics & "photometric light points".
@@therealb888 Your comment is not taken as being rude at all. Measuring peak intensity certainly does not tell us the whole story but it gives us a little more insight than a simple video product overview. Please take our reviews as you wish, and do not compare any figures you see here against other people testing the products as conditions are different.
@@LightwerkzGlobal I didn't expect such a quick & professional response. But I respect it. I used to be regular on your channel about 3-4yrs ago & I must say you have stayed consistent 👍. All I'm saying is, you go into excellent detail the construction & quality of the product. You can do the same with testing it's performance. The insight gained isn't enough if all you're testing is the hotspot. The part where you show the change in intensity as you go down is a great addition though. The main reason people buy these are for the performance upgrade over stock headlights. There are standardized testing methods as per DOT & ECE specs. I know enough to not compare the tested figures as the "conditions are different", my point is if you use standard testing norms, these "different conditions" won't be an excuse. I do know why you haven't done such testing yet, but I don't want to bring that up. Goodluck
@@therealb888 Thank you for continuing to follow the channel through the years. You can see the video's are still pretty "basic" - it's just me and my phone, doing "one take" videos (hope to step my game up soon). They are completely unscripted and it's literally me just speaking my mind on a subject. I do believe that is one of the main reasons why Lightwerkz has the unique following we do. The information is truthful, useful, informative, and most importantly unbiased without all the extra marketing fluff. We don't care what the manufacturers state in the product specs; we simply want to see it perform. You mention looking into photometric testing, but this is something manufacturers will do. We are testing for our own knowledge but also for our small pool of viewers. It is not meant to be a super scientific test in any way. This has been criticized by lighting nerds over the years. Thats OK though. We do not have any of our own product lines so devoting our limited resources to further testing is pushing it. For majority of people, a quick run down of the products features and showing a video comparison is enough. The peak intensity readings should be considered a bonus but as we all know, it does not tell the whole story. We sell many products so we are constantly collecting feedback. As "basic" as it sounds, I can look at a product, turn it on, and give you a very thorough opinion on how this product will perform in the real world. I know its not as scientific as some would like, but its enough for the majority of the viewers. It is easy enough to add on some further testing points. Just keep in mind controlling the variables is extremely difficult without a proper lab. -Caesar
I’ve driven a car with both retrofitted and the real difference is that the MLED looks nearly exactly like oem driving. Same color as most oems and they are brighter than oem at that, by quite a margin. The NHK is a bit wider, and has a bit more brightness, hardly noticeable going from one to the other. The difference is in rain I noticed. The NHK do seem a bit less geared toward inclement weather conditions. They’re both great. The MLED with the threaded shaft and oem light shape, color and distribution is attractive to a lot of people. The NHK is just for people who really love seeing their blue/purple cutoff on everything around at night. And enjoy an extremely bright hotspot highbeam. Personally the highbeam is really great for high speed driving on the NHK but if you just want to see well and widely with the highbeam I’d still pair the NHK with the Morimoto hb led High beam projector. That would give you a nice wide but tall hotspot for the highbeam and atill allow you to have that amazing high speed hotspot but with better all around highbeam performance. I actually love the color of both. But it’s a bit more obvious that the NHK are aftermarket from looking from the outside. Simply due to the slightly more blue hue.
You seem to time videos perfectly with when I am trying to compare stuff haha. I love the color flicker and high beam performance of the NHK, just wish it had the slope cutoff of the MLED. Having driven both with a step and slope, I definitely find the slope to be a little more appealing in the real world since the steps tend to have a much larger height difference between left and right side of the cutoff. Either way though they are solid projectors and my friend who has experience with both is definitely impressed with their performance
After driving with both of these, I really think it comes down to a bit of color preference. Both are incredibly bright. The MLED 2.0 is much more oem like in its color appearance and the distribution is great. Although the high beam alone wasn’t my favorite. So I paired it with the hbled high beam only projector fro Morimoto and it made it about the same brightness to my eyes as the NHK BILED IV plus that are in my Corolla with no other high beam but the ones in the biLED projector itself. The NHK has a much more pronounced, thicker colorful cutoff. The MLED still has good color and appear to change from the 5000k light color to purple and blue at the cutoff. The NHK gives a much more noticeable purple red blue white switch when going up and down over crests/hills. I personally really love colorful cutoffs, especially when they are as sharp as these projectors both have. However I do like the slightly bluer color of the NHK PROJECTORS. I do think they both are about tied for performance other than high beams. NHK wins that one.
Great video, I just would have liked to see the width comparison. Ive already had the M-LED 2.0’s for about 2 years now, I love the fact that they have been very reliable and I have 0 worries about connector issues (which I kept having with HID’s)
My sentiments exactly! I had the MLEDs mounted in my car and their performance with width was frankly, terrible to the point where I was actually having difficulty seeing at night because after you get past the hotspot the output drops off kinda dramatically. Awful in my humble opinion but I was fortunate get a warranty replacement and then dump them on eBay.
@@Oockeshoek I actually had the 2.0s and when I would compare with my Mini 6.0s from 2013, the width was actually worse. The only dominating factor with the MLEDs is the hotspot, but it's so intense that once you get past it, the intensity drops off greatly, at least in my experience. The Minis, while a little less bright, more evenly distributed the light on the road which to me is more important because you don't get any dark spots between the projectors like I was getting with the MLEDs. I probably got duds, and I even had them replaced with the warranty. Even though the replacements were improved, they still couldn't match up to my current D2S 5.0s, which are also disappointing and I regret not having bought the G5Rs which would have given me more flexibility with bulb color temperature with their clear lenses. But if you enjoy the MLEDs, I'm happy for you! My experience unfortunately wasn't a positive one.
Damn, I thought Mled 2.0 was king, now there is a new game in town. These are intense! Need to get my new ride then set up a plan to get these in the housings.
Thanks for keeping it real and not just saying "Morimoto is the best" like some other sellers. I've been looking for some LED projectors and will most likely go with the NHK's off your site. Please continue to make the informative videos.
That would be big idea. The Plus refers to the additional LED chip on the bottom of the unit increasing intensity. If they integrated that somehow it would be amazing.
Please, do a lux reading of the sides/width :) Not just for this setup, but with future setups as well. I think it is as important, as the hotspot. A lot of deer and other stuff usally comes from the sides :)
@@shadowguy3427 Its only H4 since its a larger diameter. Something to consider if you want amazing width would be a nice set of SS3 fog lights if you have a model that accepts them. Super helpful for width.
Have you ever seen either of these fail overtime? Love the idea of led projectors but not the idea of having to open the headlight assembly if one of them goes out.
Yes, have seen both products fail. Again with the NHK its a full projector replacement when it fails. On the MLED 2.0 - very rarely will the projector fail. Early on there were some troubles but now when a failure occurs its typically with the driver. Huge win for Morimoto.
It won’t be a factor for everyone but the size of the unit matters. I spoke to Caesar about the NHK but it wouldn’t fit in my headlight setup. While most probably won’t run into this issue it is a factor. The mled can just fit into much smaller spaces. Anyway, like all things, tech evolves and the companies will leap frog one another. You can’t lose either way. Very happy with my mled 2.0 and it’s a massive step up from oem hid. Also I don’t miss the high beam advantage in the nhk since I had a separate high beam to begin with. The result? Quad high beam ftw!
So MLED 2.0 for OEM-like output pattern and color. I know you have a video comparing the NHK IV Plus to the V but I'd love a direct output comparison between the V and the MLED 2.0 considering how much better the distribution is on the V compared to the IV Plus
Nice video, this is one I've been waiting for for a while now. Thank you for mentioning the change in the AR coated lens on the M-LED now that it clearly displays a blue/purple color instead of the weaker gold color. I knew something was up because I have the old ones but have seen the new ones around and thought mine were broken. I wish I had the purple/blue coating, but oh well. The output from the M-LED is wonky on the wall and the intensity doesn't really seem to make sense from a hotspot, but driving around it works great. Plus, I have secondary highbeams to make up for the lack of highbeam on the M-LED, I just didn't want an obvious low beam cutoff showing when I use the high beams. Works great. The color of the M-LED is already incredibly blue in my opinion (above 6000k) so I'm very surprised that the NHK is even bluer, so thank you for making that clear. I wish there was a 5000k option or even 5500k. But so far I'll stick with the M-LED despite the NHK showing some impressive results here. Thanks!
@@LightwerkzGlobal Thank you! I agree. I've just seen this NKH popping up around so much lately that it was making me wonder. So this video helped me know that the M-LED is still good, and not worth switching out. The setup definitely meets my needs.
I love the color flicker and step cutoff of my NHKs but I prefer the OEM color on the MLED however I personally think that the MLEDs are brighter than the NHKS idk why
I’ve found that if you swap the coated lens on the MLED 2.0 with a normal clear lens it increases the color temperature by about 500k. You also get a little bit more color at the cutoff.
Just a small update about my MLED 2.0 retrofit into my Pontiac G6 headlights, the NHK IV Plus would not have fit, I barely have enough room between the frame of the car and the back of the MLED 2.0.... I finally managed to figure out how to seal up the rear of the housing using pcv pipe ends and jb weld. Sadly despite my best efforts, I did have to cut off part of the MLED... the top section where the threaded mounting shaft goes on was cut off. Hopefully all goes well. My next issue is that dust has gotten into the housing, and I really don’t wanna open it up again to clean it out...
I like how the NHK has even light output and a nice hot spot, whereas the Morimoto has a very distinct hot spot and seems like the light is somewhat patchy.
Excellent review! Thanks For those of us still looking to replace halogens in a reflector housing (yeah, there are still a few of us left!), physical size and operating temperature can be constraints. Is there much of a reduction in physical size from a typical retrofit HID projector to these new-gen LED units ?
Both of these projectors featured here (once the MLED has the threaded shaft on it) are basically the same size as a standard 3" HID projector. SO while there are smaller LED units on the market they dont perform nearly as well. No real reduction in size if you want a high performance unit.
@@slick1ton849 Same size. The 5 is great but I dont think its an improvement from the 4 Plus. The extra LED chip set on the lower half of the projectors on the Plus makes such a nice difference in high beam mode.
@@LightwerkzGlobal Excellent information, thank you sir! I blame people like you for turning me into a headlight junkie, always looking for the best and brightest. But that color flicker on the nhk is insane, i need more of that in my life. 😍
Is the nhk lens swappable? I have a pair of mled 1.0 that I rarely use but if I can swap over the lenses from them to the nrk to bring down the color temp a little it would be great. I bought a pair of evoxr’s a few years back that I never got around to installing, might go for a set of nrk’s instead and skip all the hid stuff, the color temp and step cutoff has me on the fence though. Maby one of my prohectors(oem,evoxr,mled) has a cutoff that would fit the nrk
Depends on the type of bracket. If its a generic "G5" bolt pattern bracket it will work. If its a specific MLED 2.0 bracket where it replaces the center plate it will not work.
😂 I thought I said in theory a lot but I about made a drinking game with this video. My old boss when I upfitted police cars made me quit saying in theory whenever he asked if I could do something new
would be good to see these aimed and pointed down the street...would one shine much further than the other ? its all very well seeing them on a wall but on the road would be better imo
Do you think you will ever test the osram bi led projector ive been seeing lately but can only find reviews in like India Indonesia china,, seem to be mad in China but bragging 😜 they have osram chip ,do you have any knowledge about these ,or should I stay away from them and just go with the morimoto m led 2.0 for reliability, thanks love watching your informative videos
Man, if that NHK had an option for AR coating, I'd probably consider ditching my 55w setup. And I actually prefer the step cutoff. If you adjust your lights properly, your drivers side projector will have that step down for the opposing traffic and the step up lines up right on license plates of cars in front of you. Nobody gets retinal damage and you get to see everything. Not sure why people care for the slope.
The slope was for street signs back when the slope was more dramatic. Nowadays they design them without consideration for usability. Eg. Most reviewers stupidly use a wall inside at a short distance that is nothing like how they will be used. Instead, reviewers should show them outside, on a real road with street signs at a distance where you might be looking for a street to turn onto... Those short steps don't light up street signs on the right side of the road like they are supposed to. It's become a brightness war with a loss of proper lighting pattern. I wouldn't buy either of the 2 reviewed here. Thankfully there are good LED projector bulbs in H4 or H7, and housings that work very well with them. I have a Morimoto set I almost installed, but the pattern is flat like a pancake compared to the H7 projector bulbs in my Sorento or Jeep or Forester. I have video up on YT showing the Forester set, properly on the street driving at night. The NHK pattern height looks decent, but the step is too small for sure.
@@Eric2300jeep yeah, I am more concerned with light falloff... How much light makes it to 200 feet out? Colder color temperature bulbs tend to light up reflectors more, but also piss off oncoming traffic more than a softer color temperature light. I do prefer as close to neutral white as possible, personally. Blue light works well on white concrete highways in the rain, but it useless on dark or fresh blacktop in the rain... Not a fan of light too yellow, as that makes it hard to see light colored deer or dogs on the side of a road through grasslands. Pure white seems to handle all scenarios quite well, with the best perceived CRI. Not a fan of large blue cutoff lines from oncoming traffic, so I don't wish them on anyone else either. I keep watching all these comparisons different people do so I can stay on top of tech, as I have a minimum of one new project car per year, and they get the most reasonable upgrades available vs. their potential resale value. Thanks to everyone who reviews automotive technology and posts videos with any information relevant to use and value.
@@aaronmyers4951 I agree. I also try to get an output color temperature as close to neutral as possible. Living in the mountains where the roads are twisted, weather is very extreme and doing most of my commute during twilight hours, neutral (to just slightly warm) is the best all around color temp. Haha don't forget the tawny colored mountain lions too. They blend in well with light that's too warm but, then again, they're practically ghosts as it is lol.
How does the light distribution across the width of the beam compare between the two? I like to have a good amount of light accord the width to see the ditch critters more than just an intense hotspot.
I have a 2019 Toyota Camry and have factory bi led projectors but want to upgrade. Would you recommend the nhk plus or mled 2.0 and what mounting bracket will I need to retro fit these. I do Alot of late night driving and need something good for both good weather and Stormy crappy weather as I live in Minnesota
Hi, we do have these. please confirm the bolt pattern looks correct - lightwerkz.net/collections/retrofit-brackets/products/koito-bi-led-to-mled-brackets - NHK may be too long unless you are willing to extend the rear.
I hope you guys come up with video of best of the best comparing hid and biled techs. Curious if biled gonna outperform osram night breaker laser with g5-brt projectors and 55w ballast.
50W Laser / BRT combo is a very serious combo! People chose HID or LED based on their needs, not always based on full on intensity. Intensity is very similar with top level choices.
Hello. Have you tried a bi-xenon "AES Hella 5 King Kong F1"? I think it outperforms both these projectors even with 35watt and Osram standard original bulbs
Yes, thats a version of the G5-BRT we carry. Performance is similar no doubt. However that is Bi-Xenon as you mentioned and this comparison is against two popular bi-led projectors. The BRT is our go to in the HID projector conversion we offer. Excellent unit.
I want to purchase the NHK's but am confused on how to mount and seal the NHK in a shallow housing. I have plenty of room behind the housing, it has some flange type mounted projectors in it now but I want to replace them. Is the fan supposed to be outside the housing to provide proper cooling or is it supposed to be inside the housing and just recirculate hot air around? If you can mount the fan outside to keep it cool, it doesn't appear there is any way to to seal the back of the projector, there are holes and vents everywhere. How exactly do you mount these in shallower housings?
Great question. I would not recommend leaving this fan exposed in the engine bay. Keeping it full sealed up under a weather cap or some sort of extension is the way to go.
Do you know if you can mount the 4bangers to a plastic bumper?? I’m thinking about getting some yellow ones to use as fog lights and in order to get Morimoto fog lights in them I need a bumper from a late model, and I have not been having luck finding one so I’m thinking about just screwing them onto the number. (I’m the one that drove down from Massachusetts a few weeks ago with the Pontiac G6)
Hi there. I have a Ford Focus 2 2010 and the headlights have AFS lens. Do I need any adaptors to fit a set of NHK V? Will it fit my headlights? Do I need any other mods? Thanks for your time!
So NHK IV Plus has a g5 bolt pattern. Will the 4gtl to g5 Mazda bracket work for the 2014-2017 Mazda 6? I see Mazda CX-5 and Mazda 3 being listed as compatible but not the Mazda6.
Yes both have the same "g5" bolt pattern. I am not certain about the 14-17 Mazda 6 but if you want to remove your rear cap and take some photos of the back of the projector. You can email that to us and we can analyze it. Or if you have photos of one of these split apart to check out the internals that would help a lot.
Amazing video! I thought that mled is better, but I think I was wrong. I have a NHK HID (KH5 G5). I have some doubts if it worth to replace it with NHK bi led iv+ Would you think it will worth?
We have had people switch over from G5BRT to IV Plus LED. There are pros and cons to each setup. I think its a personal choice but overall I dont think any switch is warranted by lack of performance - more so you just want to try something new :)
I've had two MLED 2.0's break in my motorcycle now at the blackk plastic that holds the lens. Right above the screw points. So weird, but I can't trust them anymore. It's not an offroad motorcycle, I'm not doing anything crazy, and it vibrates a little more than a triumph but less than Harley. It's a just for slow weekend cruises and both have only lasted about 3 weeks before snapping completely in half.
@@LightwerkzGlobal sweet. Thank you. I really appreciate this thorough knowledge. They are sending my a replacement and you information has made me much more excited for it now. Well now I want to convert my CT200h to NHK haha!
@@Deviantsoundz edit : when I stated it was unheard of, I meant to say LED instead of HID Roope has a better memory than I do =) - We don't use the EXL any longer. It's been a while since we have seen that type of strong intensity. Sure you can use an Osram night breaker laser with a 50W ballast on common D2S projectors and get this type of high beam output but its not exactly apples to apples comparison.
@@Deviantsoundz yes I know that test was done using 35w Denso. The EXL is a special case. Very center focused projector which has very high intensity. But width and overall distribution suffers because of this.
Look closely at these projectors. The MLED is actually larger than the NHK, but the main difference, other than the performance, is the ease of installation. Of course for a retrofit expert, they're always gonna choose performance over convenience, but convenience is strong, especially with the MLED. Problem is in my personal experience, I would never recommend the MLED unless you were upgrading from so God-awful Toyota halogen projectors which are more like fireflies in jam jars than actual working headlights, and even then I'd try to steer that person towards traditional HIDs, of course only because of my personal negative experience. Many are blown away by the MLEDs, and I'm ecstatic for each and every person who has the MLEDs and loves them, but my experience was seriously flawed. Back to my original point, if you were to remove the fan assembly from the NHKs, then you'd honestly have a smaller projector that would seat further back in a reflector setup. Of course, after you made the appropriate modifications with the Dremel and used a good amount of JB Weld to hold it in place. I believe that both of these projectors will fit in smaller assemblies, but then of course you have to deal with the shrouds too. Cesar, please, do an outside width comparison to put any other doubts to rest. You'd be doing humankind a HUGE solid! Thank you for sharing as always Cesar! I look forward to giving you some more of my money in the future!
"Assuming" NHK LED has a same lens like G5 HID and therefore has the same beam pattern strong central hotspot whereas the MLED has the same lens like the D2S 5.0 and therefore has more distributed light everywhere. I have both the G5BRT on my car and D2S 5.0 in my partners car and I like the D2S 5.0 more due to more light everywhere instead of center hotspot but I like the step cutoff of the G5 but we can't have everything can we? Regarding LED vs HID that's a personal preference anyways.
I would agree with you, you cannot have it all. Morimoto definitely focuses on even light distribution vs sheer intensity. However, the distribution of the output isn't a result of the lens that is used on the projector.
Laser units are low in demand. Usually very expensive. Will have to disagree with you regarding the lack of performance of the Morimoto unit. It's all relative. Their MLED 2.0 is the best unit they offer. It offers superior performance to their HID projectors. The technology has come a long ways over the years. The unit has so many unique advantages over the other projectors on the market. It is in a class of it's own in some ways.
@@LightwerkzGlobal NHK laser units cost just 50-80$ more compared to MLED 2.0. I am not sure why everybody pushing Morimoto units since they do not perform better than any Aliexpress units for $200. The worst part of MLED 2.0 that the hot spot sits too low and the price is too high. Don't like laser products? Try NHK 5 version with 9 OSRAM leds (Led with 6 section and smaller reflector with 3 section led). Hopefully you will get your hands on NHK GRAND PLUS BI-LED & LASER PROJECTOR
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I've had my MLED 2.0 Bi-LED's in my 5th gen 4runner for almost 2 years now and they've been rock solid through all weather and temperatures(including a -29 degree day last year). The difference between OEM and these were huge. Glad to see the technology is getting even better. Thanks for your reviews as you helped me decide to buy from you when it was time.
I have the IV Plus in my Daily and it's little brother (2.5") in my hunting truck. Will be putting them in my Silverado soon too. Nothing bad to say about them at all. I had considered the MLED for all of them but the higher price with less performance made it a no brainer for me.
You guys just earned another subscriber, you give the most realistic unbiased and knowledgeable comparisons that I ever see, please keep up the good work
Thank you!
@@LightwerkzGlobal Look, I hate to be this blunt and rude about it. But your reviews like this, are missing a lot of important detail. I've always cringed about our american reviews of projectors but I'll say this today.
Take a look at a channel called "Test Lab". I don't know if it's polish or ukrainian or russian but it will teach you how to actually test the light output of these projectors. Just measuring the hotspot lux is just useless.
Please learn about optics & "photometric light points".
@@therealb888 Your comment is not taken as being rude at all. Measuring peak intensity certainly does not tell us the whole story but it gives us a little more insight than a simple video product overview. Please take our reviews as you wish, and do not compare any figures you see here against other people testing the products as conditions are different.
@@LightwerkzGlobal I didn't expect such a quick & professional response. But I respect it. I used to be regular on your channel about 3-4yrs ago & I must say you have stayed consistent 👍.
All I'm saying is, you go into excellent detail the construction & quality of the product. You can do the same with testing it's performance. The insight gained isn't enough if all you're testing is the hotspot. The part where you show the change in intensity as you go down is a great addition though.
The main reason people buy these are for the performance upgrade over stock headlights.
There are standardized testing methods as per DOT & ECE specs. I know enough to not compare the tested figures as the "conditions are different", my point is if you use standard testing norms, these "different conditions" won't be an excuse. I do know why you haven't done such testing yet, but I don't want to bring that up.
Goodluck
@@therealb888 Thank you for continuing to follow the channel through the years. You can see the video's are still pretty "basic" - it's just me and my phone, doing "one take" videos (hope to step my game up soon). They are completely unscripted and it's literally me just speaking my mind on a subject. I do believe that is one of the main reasons why Lightwerkz has the unique following we do. The information is truthful, useful, informative, and most importantly unbiased without all the extra marketing fluff. We don't care what the manufacturers state in the product specs; we simply want to see it perform.
You mention looking into photometric testing, but this is something manufacturers will do. We are testing for our own knowledge but also for our small pool of viewers. It is not meant to be a super scientific test in any way. This has been criticized by lighting nerds over the years. Thats OK though. We do not have any of our own product lines so devoting our limited resources to further testing is pushing it. For majority of people, a quick run down of the products features and showing a video comparison is enough. The peak intensity readings should be considered a bonus but as we all know, it does not tell the whole story. We sell many products so we are constantly collecting feedback. As "basic" as it sounds, I can look at a product, turn it on, and give you a very thorough opinion on how this product will perform in the real world. I know its not as scientific as some would like, but its enough for the majority of the viewers. It is easy enough to add on some further testing points. Just keep in mind controlling the variables is extremely difficult without a proper lab.
-Caesar
So the NHK is quieter, had a prettier cutoff, and performs better in hi and low beam, but he seems really desperate to defend the M. Why?
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The MLED 2.0 has so much going for it, many of the strong points are explained in the video.
I’ve driven a car with both retrofitted and the real difference is that the MLED looks nearly exactly like oem driving. Same color as most oems and they are brighter than oem at that, by quite a margin. The NHK is a bit wider, and has a bit more brightness, hardly noticeable going from one to the other. The difference is in rain I noticed. The NHK do seem a bit less geared toward inclement weather conditions. They’re both great. The MLED with the threaded shaft and oem light shape, color and distribution is attractive to a lot of people. The NHK is just for people who really love seeing their blue/purple cutoff on everything around at night. And enjoy an extremely bright hotspot highbeam. Personally the highbeam is really great for high speed driving on the NHK but if you just want to see well and widely with the highbeam I’d still pair the NHK with the Morimoto hb led High beam projector. That would give you a nice wide but tall hotspot for the highbeam and atill allow you to have that amazing high speed hotspot but with better all around highbeam performance. I actually love the color of both. But it’s a bit more obvious that the NHK are aftermarket from looking from the outside. Simply due to the slightly more blue hue.
@@roochiecooch you desperately defend mled in every way but still nhk beats mled pants down
You seem to time videos perfectly with when I am trying to compare stuff haha. I love the color flicker and high beam performance of the NHK, just wish it had the slope cutoff of the MLED. Having driven both with a step and slope, I definitely find the slope to be a little more appealing in the real world since the steps tend to have a much larger height difference between left and right side of the cutoff. Either way though they are solid projectors and my friend who has experience with both is definitely impressed with their performance
Glad to hear the review was released during decision time!
After driving with both of these, I really think it comes down to a bit of color preference. Both are incredibly bright. The MLED 2.0 is much more oem like in its color appearance and the distribution is great. Although the high beam alone wasn’t my favorite. So I paired it with the hbled high beam only projector fro Morimoto and it made it about the same brightness to my eyes as the NHK BILED IV plus that are in my Corolla with no other high beam but the ones in the biLED projector itself. The NHK has a much more pronounced, thicker colorful cutoff. The MLED still has good color and appear to change from the 5000k light color to purple and blue at the cutoff. The NHK gives a much more noticeable purple red blue white switch when going up and down over crests/hills. I personally really love colorful cutoffs, especially when they are as sharp as these projectors both have. However I do like the slightly bluer color of the NHK PROJECTORS. I do think they both are about tied for performance other than high beams. NHK wins that one.
What about the width? It seems the Mled is focused in the middle with a not much on the side and the NHK seems to be intense all the way across
Great video, I just would have liked to see the width comparison. Ive already had the M-LED 2.0’s for about 2 years now, I love the fact that they have been very reliable and I have 0 worries about connector issues (which I kept having with HID’s)
My sentiments exactly! I had the MLEDs mounted in my car and their performance with width was frankly, terrible to the point where I was actually having difficulty seeing at night because after you get past the hotspot the output drops off kinda dramatically. Awful in my humble opinion but I was fortunate get a warranty replacement and then dump them on eBay.
@@Snicker60515 You had MLED 1.0? 2.0 is supposed to be quite good width wise, and it is in my opinion!
@@Oockeshoek I actually had the 2.0s and when I would compare with my Mini 6.0s from 2013, the width was actually worse. The only dominating factor with the MLEDs is the hotspot, but it's so intense that once you get past it, the intensity drops off greatly, at least in my experience. The Minis, while a little less bright, more evenly distributed the light on the road which to me is more important because you don't get any dark spots between the projectors like I was getting with the MLEDs. I probably got duds, and I even had them replaced with the warranty. Even though the replacements were improved, they still couldn't match up to my current D2S 5.0s, which are also disappointing and I regret not having bought the G5Rs which would have given me more flexibility with bulb color temperature with their clear lenses. But if you enjoy the MLEDs, I'm happy for you! My experience unfortunately wasn't a positive one.
Damn, I thought Mled 2.0 was king, now there is a new game in town. These are intense! Need to get my new ride then set up a plan to get these in the housings.
Can't wait to try the NHKs at our next night endurance race! Thanks for the awesome install and service!
Thank you Jack, can't wait to hear the feedback on those quad bi-led projectors!
Thanks for keeping it real and not just saying "Morimoto is the best" like some other sellers. I've been looking for some LED projectors and will most likely go with the NHK's off your site. Please continue to make the informative videos.
Did you end up with the NHK's? If you did, how are they treating you?
I hope that Morimoto makes an MLED 2.0 plus or 3.0 with a second LED for the high beam like the NHK
@@MTZProject that’d be cool and all, but I personally would rather have a mini HB with laser assist, or something like that.
That would be big idea. The Plus refers to the additional LED chip on the bottom of the unit increasing intensity. If they integrated that somehow it would be amazing.
Please, do a lux reading of the sides/width :) Not just for this setup, but with future setups as well. I think it is as important, as the hotspot. A lot of deer and other stuff usally comes from the sides :)
Also, do the M-led 2.0 come with a H7 thread mounting, or is it only H4?
@@shadowguy3427 Its only H4 since its a larger diameter. Something to consider if you want amazing width would be a nice set of SS3 fog lights if you have a model that accepts them. Super helpful for width.
Great review Caesar
Didn't talked about width
There's always something I forget :) I think width is going to be similar.
@@LightwerkzGlobal Yeah, just notice the width when you fire them both, but for me I will give the edge for NHK but that too much color
Have you ever seen either of these fail overtime? Love the idea of led projectors but not the idea of having to open the headlight assembly if one of them goes out.
Yes, have seen both products fail. Again with the NHK its a full projector replacement when it fails. On the MLED 2.0 - very rarely will the projector fail. Early on there were some troubles but now when a failure occurs its typically with the driver. Huge win for Morimoto.
It won’t be a factor for everyone but the size of the unit matters. I spoke to Caesar about the NHK but it wouldn’t fit in my headlight setup. While most probably won’t run into this issue it is a factor. The mled can just fit into much smaller spaces. Anyway, like all things, tech evolves and the companies will leap frog one another. You can’t lose either way. Very happy with my mled 2.0 and it’s a massive step up from oem hid. Also I don’t miss the high beam advantage in the nhk since I had a separate high beam to begin with. The result? Quad high beam ftw!
In your case 100% MLED 2.0 is perfect.
Did you say you will recommend a lower performance light just because it's easier to install?? Thanks for letting us know.
Thank you for the video! NHK is amazing! I wish you could compare it to UPS bi-laser. For me, leaving in rural area high beams are super important!!!
Sorry it's just not a projector we work with or carry. Extremely low demand. This is a more practical projector in my opinion.
So MLED 2.0 for OEM-like output pattern and color. I know you have a video comparing the NHK IV Plus to the V but I'd love a direct output comparison between the V and the MLED 2.0 considering how much better the distribution is on the V compared to the IV Plus
Nice video, this is one I've been waiting for for a while now. Thank you for mentioning the change in the AR coated lens on the M-LED now that it clearly displays a blue/purple color instead of the weaker gold color. I knew something was up because I have the old ones but have seen the new ones around and thought mine were broken. I wish I had the purple/blue coating, but oh well. The output from the M-LED is wonky on the wall and the intensity doesn't really seem to make sense from a hotspot, but driving around it works great. Plus, I have secondary highbeams to make up for the lack of highbeam on the M-LED, I just didn't want an obvious low beam cutoff showing when I use the high beams. Works great. The color of the M-LED is already incredibly blue in my opinion (above 6000k) so I'm very surprised that the NHK is even bluer, so thank you for making that clear. I wish there was a 5000k option or even 5500k. But so far I'll stick with the M-LED despite the NHK showing some impressive results here. Thanks!
MLED 2.0 is a solid choice and there would be no reason to switch from it based on your feedback. Thanks for chiming in!
@@LightwerkzGlobal Thank you! I agree. I've just seen this NKH popping up around so much lately that it was making me wonder. So this video helped me know that the M-LED is still good, and not worth switching out. The setup definitely meets my needs.
I love the color flicker and step cutoff of my NHKs but I prefer the OEM color on the MLED however I personally think that the MLEDs are brighter than the NHKS idk why
The warmer light is more appealing and less harsh on our eyes, making the light actually seem brighter.
Wow! Amazing video! Thanks! 🙌
I’ve found that if you swap the coated lens on the MLED 2.0 with a normal clear lens it increases the color temperature by about 500k. You also get a little bit more color at the cutoff.
makes sense!
Did it get brighter?
@@Sinerwray couldn’t tell much of a difference.
Just a small update about my MLED 2.0 retrofit into my Pontiac G6 headlights, the NHK IV Plus would not have fit, I barely have enough room between the frame of the car and the back of the MLED 2.0.... I finally managed to figure out how to seal up the rear of the housing using pcv pipe ends and jb weld. Sadly despite my best efforts, I did have to cut off part of the MLED... the top section where the threaded mounting shaft goes on was cut off. Hopefully all goes well. My next issue is that dust has gotten into the housing, and I really don’t wanna open it up again to clean it out...
Damn that NHK has me almost swtiching to LED
I like how the NHK has even light output and a nice hot spot, whereas the Morimoto has a very distinct hot spot and seems like the light is somewhat patchy.
Damn i ordered the nhk v but seeing just this godly high beam making me think of returning 😭
Excellent review! Thanks
For those of us still looking to replace halogens in a reflector housing (yeah, there are still a few of us left!), physical size and operating temperature can be constraints. Is there much of a reduction in physical size from a typical retrofit HID projector to these new-gen LED units ?
Both of these projectors featured here (once the MLED has the threaded shaft on it) are basically the same size as a standard 3" HID projector. SO while there are smaller LED units on the market they dont perform nearly as well. No real reduction in size if you want a high performance unit.
@@LightwerkzGlobal Thanks!
Ive got NHK V5. Very nice projectors.
Where’d you get them? Also are they any smaller than the IV plus?
@@slick1ton849 Same size. The 5 is great but I dont think its an improvement from the 4 Plus. The extra LED chip set on the lower half of the projectors on the Plus makes such a nice difference in high beam mode.
@@LightwerkzGlobal Excellent information, thank you sir! I blame people like you for turning me into a headlight junkie, always looking for the best and brightest.
But that color flicker on the nhk is insane, i need more of that in my life. 😍
Next time you pull out the nhk IV plus will you compare it against the g5-brt at 35 & 55watts?
Do you guys carry NHK laser projector by any chance?🤔
Is the nhk lens swappable?
I have a pair of mled 1.0 that I rarely use but if I can swap over the lenses from them to the nrk to bring down the color temp a little it would be great.
I bought a pair of evoxr’s a few years back that I never got around to installing, might go for a set of nrk’s instead and skip all the hid stuff, the color temp and step cutoff has me on the fence though.
Maby one of my prohectors(oem,evoxr,mled) has a cutoff that would fit the nrk
I have a custom mounting brackets for my morimoto bi-mled will that fit on the nhk?
Depends on the type of bracket. If its a generic "G5" bolt pattern bracket it will work. If its a specific MLED 2.0 bracket where it replaces the center plate it will not work.
😂 I thought I said in theory a lot but I about made a drinking game with this video. My old boss when I upfitted police cars made me quit saying in theory whenever he asked if I could do something new
would be good to see these aimed and pointed down the street...would one shine much further than the other ? its all very well seeing them on a wall but on the road would be better imo
Of course. We do these tests in doors simply to control variables and do those lux tests.
Is NHK IV plus is good for kia forte 2015 ?
Does anyone know, how durable are these lights?
How long do they go, before something breaks/burns out?
Any owners?
Do you think you will ever test the osram bi led projector ive been seeing lately but can only find reviews in like India Indonesia china,, seem to be mad in China but bragging 😜 they have osram chip ,do you have any knowledge about these ,or should I stay away from them and just go with the morimoto m led 2.0 for reliability, thanks love watching your informative videos
I like the mled not sure if I want to switch from hid nhk g5-r to mled.
Man, if that NHK had an option for AR coating, I'd probably consider ditching my 55w setup. And I actually prefer the step cutoff. If you adjust your lights properly, your drivers side projector will have that step down for the opposing traffic and the step up lines up right on license plates of cars in front of you. Nobody gets retinal damage and you get to see everything. Not sure why people care for the slope.
The slope was for street signs back when the slope was more dramatic. Nowadays they design them without consideration for usability.
Eg. Most reviewers stupidly use a wall inside at a short distance that is nothing like how they will be used.
Instead, reviewers should show them outside, on a real road with street signs at a distance where you might be looking for a street to turn onto... Those short steps don't light up street signs on the right side of the road like they are supposed to. It's become a brightness war with a loss of proper lighting pattern.
I wouldn't buy either of the 2 reviewed here.
Thankfully there are good LED projector bulbs in H4 or H7, and housings that work very well with them.
I have a Morimoto set I almost installed, but the pattern is flat like a pancake compared to the H7 projector bulbs in my Sorento or Jeep or Forester. I have video up on YT showing the Forester set, properly on the street driving at night.
The NHK pattern height looks decent, but the step is too small for sure.
@@aaronmyers4951 Ahh that makes sense. Ya, patterns on walls are cool and all but, like you said, real world application is key!
@@Eric2300jeep yeah, I am more concerned with light falloff... How much light makes it to 200 feet out? Colder color temperature bulbs tend to light up reflectors more, but also piss off oncoming traffic more than a softer color temperature light. I do prefer as close to neutral white as possible, personally.
Blue light works well on white concrete highways in the rain, but it useless on dark or fresh blacktop in the rain...
Not a fan of light too yellow, as that makes it hard to see light colored deer or dogs on the side of a road through grasslands.
Pure white seems to handle all scenarios quite well, with the best perceived CRI.
Not a fan of large blue cutoff lines from oncoming traffic, so I don't wish them on anyone else either.
I keep watching all these comparisons different people do so I can stay on top of tech, as I have a minimum of one new project car per year, and they get the most reasonable upgrades available vs. their potential resale value.
Thanks to everyone who reviews automotive technology and posts videos with any information relevant to use and value.
Ar coating sucks.
@@aaronmyers4951 I agree. I also try to get an output color temperature as close to neutral as possible. Living in the mountains where the roads are twisted, weather is very extreme and doing most of my commute during twilight hours, neutral (to just slightly warm) is the best all around color temp.
Haha don't forget the tawny colored mountain lions too. They blend in well with light that's too warm but, then again, they're practically ghosts as it is lol.
How does the light distribution across the width of the beam compare between the two? I like to have a good amount of light accord the width to see the ditch critters more than just an intense hotspot.
Distribution is much better on the MLED overall.
Compare the new nhk dual led and laser its the most expensive one
I have a 2019 Toyota Camry and have factory bi led projectors but want to upgrade. Would you recommend the nhk plus or mled 2.0 and what mounting bracket will I need to retro fit these. I do Alot of late night driving and need something good for both good weather and Stormy crappy weather as I live in Minnesota
Hi, we do have these. please confirm the bolt pattern looks correct - lightwerkz.net/collections/retrofit-brackets/products/koito-bi-led-to-mled-brackets - NHK may be too long unless you are willing to extend the rear.
I hope you guys come up with video of best of the best comparing hid and biled techs. Curious if biled gonna outperform osram night breaker laser with g5-brt projectors and 55w ballast.
50W Laser / BRT combo is a very serious combo! People chose HID or LED based on their needs, not always based on full on intensity. Intensity is very similar with top level choices.
When driving on lowbeam which is brughter and more spread
Hello. Have you tried a bi-xenon "AES Hella 5 King Kong F1"? I think it outperforms both these projectors even with 35watt and Osram standard original bulbs
Yes, thats a version of the G5-BRT we carry. Performance is similar no doubt. However that is Bi-Xenon as you mentioned and this comparison is against two popular bi-led projectors. The BRT is our go to in the HID projector conversion we offer. Excellent unit.
I want to purchase the NHK's but am confused on how to mount and seal the NHK in a shallow housing. I have plenty of room behind the housing, it has some flange type mounted projectors in it now but I want to replace them. Is the fan supposed to be outside the housing to provide proper cooling or is it supposed to be inside the housing and just recirculate hot air around? If you can mount the fan outside to keep it cool, it doesn't appear there is any way to to seal the back of the projector, there are holes and vents everywhere. How exactly do you mount these in shallower housings?
Great question. I would not recommend leaving this fan exposed in the engine bay. Keeping it full sealed up under a weather cap or some sort of extension is the way to go.
Hello, what is the wiring for NHK ones? You say they come with bare wires, so which is which wire? Thanks :)
Red/black is low, and white/blue is high beam.
Which one fits Genesis coupe 2016 best?
Either can work with these brackets - lightwerkz.net/collections/retrofit-brackets/products/13-16-genesis-coupe-d2s-5-0-g5-r-brackets
Do you know if you can mount the 4bangers to a plastic bumper?? I’m thinking about getting some yellow ones to use as fog lights and in order to get Morimoto fog lights in them I need a bumper from a late model, and I have not been having luck finding one so I’m thinking about just screwing them onto the number. (I’m the one that drove down from Massachusetts a few weeks ago with the Pontiac G6)
You can, but it will have a lot of play. Far from ideal. If you can find a way to brace it, it would be best.
Hi there. I have a Ford Focus 2 2010 and the headlights have AFS lens. Do I need any adaptors to fit a set of NHK V? Will it fit my headlights? Do I need any other mods? Thanks for your time!
2010 Focus with AFS headlights?
@@LightwerkzGlobal yes.
@@NicuDP Send us an email with some photos of the internals and I can see if we can help you out.
What's the distance from the projector to the wall?
About 34' in this video.
So NHK IV Plus has a g5 bolt pattern. Will the 4gtl to g5 Mazda bracket work for the 2014-2017 Mazda 6? I see Mazda CX-5 and Mazda 3 being listed as compatible but not the Mazda6.
Yes both have the same "g5" bolt pattern. I am not certain about the 14-17 Mazda 6 but if you want to remove your rear cap and take some photos of the back of the projector. You can email that to us and we can analyze it. Or if you have photos of one of these split apart to check out the internals that would help a lot.
The nhk fit in my mazda 6 16
Hi , thanks for this experiment and how I can find best price because it's expensive 😥 to me 😔
Have you retro fitted 2000 Acura Integra headlights? Usdm
Long ago. Not sure how these units will fit in there. Im sure it can be done.
@@LightwerkzGlobal I’ll be going d2s 5.0
Amazing video!
I thought that mled is better, but I think I was wrong.
I have a NHK HID (KH5 G5).
I have some doubts if it worth to replace it with NHK bi led iv+
Would you think it will worth?
We have had people switch over from G5BRT to IV Plus LED. There are pros and cons to each setup. I think its a personal choice but overall I dont think any switch is warranted by lack of performance - more so you just want to try something new :)
Does the nhk comes with that male connector?
We add them on for a small fee on the product listing.
Could I mount the nhk into a 3g Acura TL (04-08) has factory 3in d2s projectors
While Im sure you could I dont think it would be an easy conversion.
Does the morimoto 4 banger have a similar color temp in comparison to the nhks in person?
Probably very similar
Who is the manufacturer of NHK? Or there are lot of replica's?
NHK has their own factory. Haven't seen any replicas of these units.
I've had two MLED 2.0's break in my motorcycle now at the blackk plastic that holds the lens. Right above the screw points. So weird, but I can't trust them anymore. It's not an offroad motorcycle, I'm not doing anything crazy, and it vibrates a little more than a triumph but less than Harley. It's a just for slow weekend cruises and both have only lasted about 3 weeks before snapping completely in half.
Sadly one of the struggles this product went through but the fronts have been revised and no more issues any longer,
@@LightwerkzGlobal oh really! When did it get updated? I got my first one fall of 2020. Got the next one late spring of 2021.
@@TylerPoppe Would say by Q4 of 2021 they had updated it.
@@LightwerkzGlobal sweet. Thank you. I really appreciate this thorough knowledge. They are sending my a replacement and you information has made me much more excited for it now. Well now I want to convert my CT200h to NHK haha!
@@TylerPoppe who did you contact for a replacement? What’s the Manufacturer warranty?
Any chance the nhk will fit behind the dust cover of a 2019 chevy 2500 hd? Currently running nhk g5 brt
Yes they will fit.
@@LightwerkzGlobal
Awesome, would it use the same adapter plate?
Any difference in the width of the beam?
Will do some testing and keep everyone updated. Need a nice wide wall.
Isn't the g5 exl able to hit those high beam numbers?
He got 1600 lux with exl with high beam.
@@RoopeLuukkainen thats what i thought, his comment about unheard of for hid seemed odd.
@@Deviantsoundz edit : when I stated it was unheard of, I meant to say LED instead of HID
Roope has a better memory than I do =) - We don't use the EXL any longer. It's been a while since we have seen that type of strong intensity. Sure you can use an Osram night breaker laser with a 50W ballast on common D2S projectors and get this type of high beam output but its not exactly apples to apples comparison.
@@LightwerkzGlobal looked up the video and it was a 35w ballast.
@@Deviantsoundz yes I know that test was done using 35w Denso. The EXL is a special case. Very center focused projector which has very high intensity. But width and overall distribution suffers because of this.
I have both now. NHK on my
3 series and mled on my van 😂😂
Which one has a wider spread? There are a lot of Deer here in Minnesota
@@benscott3603 the NHK
After buying both to test I settled on the NHKs, Thanks!
@@benscott3603 awesome! It really have great output
Look closely at these projectors. The MLED is actually larger than the NHK, but the main difference, other than the performance, is the ease of installation. Of course for a retrofit expert, they're always gonna choose performance over convenience, but convenience is strong, especially with the MLED. Problem is in my personal experience, I would never recommend the MLED unless you were upgrading from so God-awful Toyota halogen projectors which are more like fireflies in jam jars than actual working headlights, and even then I'd try to steer that person towards traditional HIDs, of course only because of my personal negative experience. Many are blown away by the MLEDs, and I'm ecstatic for each and every person who has the MLEDs and loves them, but my experience was seriously flawed.
Back to my original point, if you were to remove the fan assembly from the NHKs, then you'd honestly have a smaller projector that would seat further back in a reflector setup. Of course, after you made the appropriate modifications with the Dremel and used a good amount of JB Weld to hold it in place. I believe that both of these projectors will fit in smaller assemblies, but then of course you have to deal with the shrouds too.
Cesar, please, do an outside width comparison to put any other doubts to rest. You'd be doing humankind a HUGE solid!
Thank you for sharing as always Cesar! I look forward to giving you some more of my money in the future!
I do plan on doing further testing. Will keep everyone updated. Thank you!
So basically 50w LED projector is a little bit brighter than 30w LED projector.
I may be in the minority here but any chance they come in 4300K color temp?
They do not.
"Assuming" NHK LED has a same lens like G5 HID and therefore has the same beam pattern strong central hotspot whereas the MLED has the same lens like the D2S 5.0 and therefore has more distributed light everywhere. I have both the G5BRT on my car and D2S 5.0 in my partners car and I like the D2S 5.0 more due to more light everywhere instead of center hotspot but I like the step cutoff of the G5 but we can't have everything can we? Regarding LED vs HID that's a personal preference anyways.
I would agree with you, you cannot have it all. Morimoto definitely focuses on even light distribution vs sheer intensity. However, the distribution of the output isn't a result of the lens that is used on the projector.
I did an MLED 2.0 retrofit on my f150. Drivers side projector failed in less than a month. Not impressed with morimoto "quality"
Is there a manufacturer warranty or are you just SOL
Good stuff
I'm very happy with my MLED and Mini HB setup so for high beam I'm all set.
Time to review some NHK laser projectors. MLED 2.0 on other hand is all marketing, no performance. Even hot spot is generated on wrong place...
Laser units are low in demand. Usually very expensive. Will have to disagree with you regarding the lack of performance of the Morimoto unit. It's all relative. Their MLED 2.0 is the best unit they offer. It offers superior performance to their HID projectors. The technology has come a long ways over the years. The unit has so many unique advantages over the other projectors on the market. It is in a class of it's own in some ways.
@@LightwerkzGlobal NHK laser units cost just 50-80$ more compared to MLED 2.0. I am not sure why everybody pushing Morimoto units since they do not perform better than any Aliexpress units for $200. The worst part of MLED 2.0 that the hot spot sits too low and the price is too high.
Don't like laser products? Try NHK 5 version with 9 OSRAM leds (Led with 6 section and smaller reflector with 3 section led).
Hopefully you will get your hands on NHK GRAND PLUS BI-LED & LASER PROJECTOR
Warranty
Morimoto 4 or 5 yrs
NHK 3 yrs
5 years on the MLED 2.0 and 3 Years on the NHK.
For those people wanting a warmer color then go with some 4300k hids. These are clearly not for you.
NHK clear winner, mled actually had no high beam.
nhk is king 🤴
NHK way better if u asked me!!
Nhks are way too big for small housings
Nhk much better for me.