XFCE 4.20 just released a couple of weeks ago which is sweet! Glad the devs are still actively working on it.. I love the XFCE balance between super lightweight, performant and functional while keeping it good looking.
EndeavourOS is using XFCE 4.20. I am working on comparing the EndeavourOS desktop environments vs same on Canonical releases. Xubuntu is currently using XFCE 4.18 - so there is some difference. My wife's desktop runs Liinux Mint XFCE and it too is running 4.18. It makes sense since it is based off Canonical.
The first thing I noticed is that the LXQT menu is different from the one we have on Lubuntu and Debian. I thought it was a customised menu that Endeavour OS have added until I read on the LXQT website that they have changed the menu in LXQT 2. Which we don't have on Lubuntu or Debian. So we have still got the old start menu that looks a bit like LXDE's but with the search bar. The new one looks much nice but the problem with LXQT is that there are not as many customisation options as in other desktops. The XFCE menu is also different on Endeavour OS from the Whisker Menu we have on Debian and Ubuntu. It seems that both desktops have had new features added in the new versions. As Endeavour is based on Arch you probably get the new versions of software and desktops before we do on Debian.
I just did a little video yesterday comparing the 4 Desktop Environments on EndeavourOS vs Canonical releases of the same. I did not show screen shots of the environments, but just showed the results of testing, but you are correct. I was surprised that Canonical did outperform EndeavourOS in several instances. However, you are correct. The Arch based system was using newer releases of all the Desktop Environments and a 6.12.7 Linux Arch Kernel.
@@bytesbreadandbarbecue6747 LXQT has only been released a few months ago. Which does include the new menu which is called the Fancy Menu. When I looked on Distrosea that lets you try out Linux distros I saw that Lubuntu Noble 24.04 which is the LTS version doesn't have the new menu. It's still using the old LXQT menu. But the 24.10 version of Lubuntu has got the new menu. Though when I tested it out although it looks better than the old menu it never found everything I searched for. So the old menu is better for that. Debian and Ubuntu have only just updated to QT6 and Plasma 6. Which is broken on Debian and Ubuntu as there are some bugs. It could be because they are still trying to change everything over from QT5 to QT6. The thing I don't like about LXDE and LXQT is that there is no way to customise the desktop with system notification sounds. Where as in the other desktops you can by using Dconf Editor but that doesn't work on LXDE or LXQT. Also both desktops are not as user friendly as Cinnamon or Mate if you compare them to those. That's why I don't use LXQT. LXDE is no longer supported anyway as it's not been updated for 4 years. Though Debian and Ubuntu still supports it. As it's listed in their choice of desktop environments during the install of Debian. I would use it myself.
😂 No. But I've seen Gnome developers in videos over the years in Q&A situations. And they pronounce it G'nome. Also, watch virtually any other other Linux video where Gnome is the topic and they all pronounce it G'nome.
@@UncleSpellbinder I agree. I have seen it pronounced that way too from GNU. And just for my satisfaction I Googled found:L "Pronouncing GNOME Desktop The official pronunciation of GNOME, the desktop environment, is “guh-NOME,” similar to how “GNU” is pronounced “guh-NEW.” This pronunciation is intended to minimize confusion and aligns with the acronym “GNU Network Object Model Environment.” However, it’s noted that many people pronounce it as “nome” in casual usage." So you are correct!
@@bytesbreadandbarbecue6747 About a year ago I read from some Gnome devs that either way is acceptable, so it would seem that either they aren't all agreed on this or don't care.
Hey I am still watching the vid (which is interesting, well structured imo) and just wanted to ask your opinion on choice of distro as a base for distro hopping through vm's, even though its limitations
I strongly recommend the EndeavourOS I used in the video for a couple of reasons. When you go to install from the ISO, it gives the option of almost any desktop environment. Desktop hopping isn't really distro hopping because it has the same Linux underneath. If you are beginning to really try different Linux the Debian variants are the easiest to start with: Ubuntu, Mint, and its different flavors. Debian itself always feels klunky to me, but that is personal preference. On my other channel - www.youtube.com/@Dr.LinuxPresents, I do a series of different distro tours.
@@bytesbreadandbarbecue6747 I second Endeavour. I used it until recently until i found Cachy.OS. CachyOS just seemed to work out better for me on NVIDIA.
For me Xfce is no longer the lightweight DE and I have no reason to use it anymore, I'd rather use Cinnamon or KDE Plasma than Xfce. The performance I had is similar in all 3 DEs on a i5 1st gen 4 gb ram computer. At least Cinnamon and KDE Plasma have more features. Gnome, Deepin and Kylin are the most resources extensive (almost unusable on i5 1st gen 4 gb ram) I had the best experience with LXQt and Mate on a potato laptop.
I too run Cinnamon on a daily basis. It gives me all sorts of bells and whistles and is very fast on my system. With just this browser and a weather app, my Cinnamon is using 2500 MB. That is substantially more than the LXQt and XFCE systems I tested. What does your Cinnamon run in?
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XFCE 4.20 just released a couple of weeks ago which is sweet! Glad the devs are still actively working on it..
I love the XFCE balance between super lightweight, performant and functional while keeping it good looking.
EndeavourOS is using XFCE 4.20. I am working on comparing the EndeavourOS desktop environments vs same on Canonical releases. Xubuntu is currently using XFCE 4.18 - so there is some difference. My wife's desktop runs Liinux Mint XFCE and it too is running 4.18. It makes sense since it is based off Canonical.
The first thing I noticed is that the LXQT menu is different from the one we have on Lubuntu and Debian. I thought it was a customised menu that Endeavour OS have added until I read on the LXQT website that they have changed the menu in LXQT 2. Which we don't have on Lubuntu or Debian. So we have still got the old start menu that looks a bit like LXDE's but with the search bar. The new one looks much nice but the problem with LXQT is that there are not as many customisation options as in other desktops. The XFCE menu is also different on Endeavour OS from the Whisker Menu we have on Debian and Ubuntu. It seems that both desktops have had new features added in the new versions. As Endeavour is based on Arch you probably get the new versions of software and desktops before we do on Debian.
I just did a little video yesterday comparing the 4 Desktop Environments on EndeavourOS vs Canonical releases of the same. I did not show screen shots of the environments, but just showed the results of testing, but you are correct. I was surprised that Canonical did outperform EndeavourOS in several instances. However, you are correct. The Arch based system was using newer releases of all the Desktop Environments and a 6.12.7 Linux Arch Kernel.
I just looked it up: latest Linux Kernel is 6.12.8, so the EndeavourOS is running a very late version compared to Canonical's 6.08
@@bytesbreadandbarbecue6747 LXQT has only been released a few months ago. Which does include the new menu which is called the Fancy Menu. When I looked on Distrosea that lets you try out Linux distros I saw that Lubuntu Noble 24.04 which is the LTS version doesn't have the new menu. It's still using the old LXQT menu. But the 24.10 version of Lubuntu has got the new menu. Though when I tested it out although it looks better than the old menu it never found everything I searched for. So the old menu is better for that. Debian and Ubuntu have only just updated to QT6 and Plasma 6. Which is broken on Debian and Ubuntu as there are some bugs. It could be because they are still trying to change everything over from QT5 to QT6. The thing I don't like about LXDE and LXQT is that there is no way to customise the desktop with system notification sounds. Where as in the other desktops you can by using Dconf Editor but that doesn't work on LXDE or LXQT. Also both desktops are not as user friendly as Cinnamon or Mate if you compare them to those. That's why I don't use LXQT. LXDE is no longer supported anyway as it's not been updated for 4 years. Though Debian and Ubuntu still supports it. As it's listed in their choice of desktop environments during the install of Debian. I would use it myself.
As a side note... Gnome is pronounced with a "hard G", LXQt is pronounced "LX Cute", MATE is pronounce "Mah Tay".
So in your garden you hard G gnomes running around? I will take it under advisement, but I have heard it both ways.
😂 No. But I've seen Gnome developers in videos over the years in Q&A situations. And they pronounce it G'nome. Also, watch virtually any other other Linux video where Gnome is the topic and they all pronounce it G'nome.
@@UncleSpellbinder I agree. I have seen it pronounced that way too from GNU. And just for my satisfaction I Googled found:L "Pronouncing GNOME Desktop
The official pronunciation of GNOME, the desktop environment, is “guh-NOME,” similar to how “GNU” is pronounced “guh-NEW.” This pronunciation is intended to minimize confusion and aligns with the acronym “GNU Network Object Model Environment.” However, it’s noted that many people pronounce it as “nome” in casual usage." So you are correct!
@@bytesbreadandbarbecue6747 About a year ago I read from some Gnome devs that either way is acceptable, so it would seem that either they aren't all agreed on this or don't care.
5:33 I think you might mean Wayland, not wayward.
@@esra_erimez Slip of the tongue!
Hey I am still watching the vid (which is interesting, well structured imo) and just wanted to ask your opinion on choice of distro as a base for distro hopping through vm's, even though its limitations
I strongly recommend the EndeavourOS I used in the video for a couple of reasons. When you go to install from the ISO, it gives the option of almost any desktop environment. Desktop hopping isn't really distro hopping because it has the same Linux underneath. If you are beginning to really try different Linux the Debian variants are the easiest to start with: Ubuntu, Mint, and its different flavors. Debian itself always feels klunky to me, but that is personal preference. On my other channel - www.youtube.com/@Dr.LinuxPresents, I do a series of different distro tours.
Incidentally, I did a 5 minute addendum where I added KDE into the comparison since it is the most popular Linux desktop world wide! Thanks!!
@@bytesbreadandbarbecue6747 I second Endeavour. I used it until recently until i found Cachy.OS. CachyOS just seemed to work out better for me on NVIDIA.
For me Xfce is no longer the lightweight DE and I have no reason to use it anymore, I'd rather use Cinnamon or KDE Plasma than Xfce. The performance I had is similar in all 3 DEs on a i5 1st gen 4 gb ram computer. At least Cinnamon and KDE Plasma have more features. Gnome, Deepin and Kylin are the most resources extensive (almost unusable on i5 1st gen 4 gb ram) I had the best experience with LXQt and Mate on a potato laptop.
I too run Cinnamon on a daily basis. It gives me all sorts of bells and whistles and is very fast on my system. With just this browser and a weather app, my Cinnamon is using 2500 MB. That is substantially more than the LXQt and XFCE systems I tested. What does your Cinnamon run in?
Confidential? Then why post it publicly on RUclips?
@@esra_erimez Lol....that just a default button in Google docs presentation