Oregon City Bans Being Homeless, US Supreme Court Appears Divided | Firstpost America
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- Oregon City Bans Being Homeless, US Supreme Court Appears Divided | Firstpost America
The US Supreme Court heard arguments regarding whether cities have the authority to ban homeless individuals from sleeping outside, amid a nationwide surge in homelessness and limited shelter availability. The case revolves around regulations implemented in Grants Pass, Oregon, which has prohibited camping or the use of bedding on public property due to overcrowding in public parks with tents, blankets, and cardboard shelters. Violators of the ban face fines ranging from $290 to $500 and even face potential imprisonment for repeated offenses. Grants Pass has population 40,000, but does not have a municipal homeless shelter and instead relies on private charities. The US Supreme Court is worried that other cities will follow Grants Pass and outlaw camping on public property.
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100billion dollars for Ukraine
Fines for American homeless
Yay yay
The government is so good to us
Mhhmmm, HEAR ME OUT MAYBE, we should take that 95 billion dollar bill we just passed for these OTHER COUNTRIES and Um, IDK help OUR country, our unhoused, our Vets, OUR PEOPLE??! IDK, just a thought, guys.
We spend 10 times that on our own military, and it's only 1.5% of our total budget. I think we have the money for literally anything, because Modern Monetary Theory is 100% true and correct. Capitalism RELIABLY produces homeless people. Any system is what it DOES, not what we wish it could or would do. The American people don't have the moral will to do the right thing, because we're all sick in the head.
Hey virgo!! Libra here😊 how bout if they just took ONE WHOLE BILLION and use it for homelessness. How about if they LOWER shit or RAISE pay rates n maybe people could AFFORD a roof over their heads and food....ur soooooooo right virgo!! Just a f*ckin thought!!!!!!!!
The homeless crisis could easily be solved with a fraction of that.
America has more than enough money to cover everything. It’s just too rich to care, let alone want to.
Otherwise, it would have been done way before now.
“California is good to the homeless” South Park called it.
ruclips.net/video/lsrBlKpbBS8/видео.htmlsi=KY9cZ1eqgorYHBpM
US should look inwards before lecturing the world about poverty and homelessness
The movie slim dog millionaire is becoming Americans new reality if we don't get our act together
Ol@@bertcollard6619
Our government gives billions of dollars to other nations, but not one dime to our homeless.
Not true. It’s a billion dollar business and helps no one because you can’t force anyone into treatment or mental institutions. California misplaced 24 Billion and no one knows who or what it went to.
They give billions to “contractors” in the US to end homelessness….. it’s starting to become apparent that a certain party 🎉 that is in power has zero tolerance for its constituents
Money goes towards homeless, just disappears before any gets to homeless .
You mean the media lied 🤥 about the quality of Joe Biden
Being poor is illegal 😢sad state of US .
It's done to scare the 🐑 middle class
Stay in line or being middle class will be illegal
Extreme wealth is creating more extreme poverty. High taxes and cost of living.. forcing people into tough situations. Billionaires growing still while poverty is growing.. wow that’s pretty sad to see how this is happening
98% of the homeless did not become homeless by choice. These law makers are special. How about make more affordable housing and have funding available to help more in need Americans FIRST before donating hundreds of millions of dollars to other countries and creating housing and shelters to those who are not citizens...
I can not afford an $10 hamburger.Ukraine can they just got $60 Billion dollars for war.Tax free.
If they spent money sent to Ukraine, Israel homelessness wouldn’t be this bad. No where close
Our country has been sending money to other countries forever .....why is it suddenly so important now .....we wasted over 7 trillion dollars combined on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and no Republicans complained .....they only complain when democrats are in control.
If that’s true, it would have been taken care of long before now. America just doesn’t care.
Welp they better go arrest the illegal homeless people first. How dumb is it to write fines to people that aren’t going to pay them?
They CANT pay them. It’s a cruel punishment
After defunding the police, US govt has defended their brain
The illegal ones are the new democrat votes, they wouldn't want to interfere with that.
@@geowa3724 so tat they will hv a record. They are already in a hole and this dig them deeper.
Then they jail them for non payment of fines and the courts and the prisons make money.
So many vacant homes across America…
why should someone doing absolutely nothing get a free home?
@@sh0t0kan:
Why is it that even when a person does everything they can, they still end up homeless?
@@sh0t0kan Lots of those people work and pay taxes. Wait till its you!
@@sh0t0kan Many people that are homeless are still employed and still cannot afford rent.
@@musuyanguba4226 Those a fringe few and those people will do whatever it takes to change their status. The large majority are unemployed.
I was homeless more times than I can count..thankfully I don't drink smoke or do drugs..I've been out in the woods..out of sight out of mind..the homeless situation is going to get worse it's not going to get any better..illegal to be homeless..good luck with that..everything is so expensive nobody can afford it..I'm on the edge of being homeless again..I'll be 57 in November..single women alone not good..lots of thoughts go through my mind rape is just one of them..
It's mostly worse for you, a female! Wish I could help but I am in the same situation 100% disabled Veteran and homeless in the middle of Oklahoma, who dont help homeless people!
@@jwells3315 I'm in Arkansas right now I'm on somebody else's property in a camper that is not fit to live in..I'll be 57 in November..it's too dangerous to give out names addresses and phone numbers on RUclips..got to love people right..thank you for your service.. it kind of makes me mad.. that veterans that served this country get shoved under the carpet.. it should be illegal to do that.. you serve the country come home just to be told go to hell..that's so wrong on so many levels..if I had a addresses to go to I'd leave..I'm going to talk to a few shelters that help women
Homeless because of drugs shame on me. Homeless because of the high cost of living (unaccessible property rent and purchase prices, property taxes, extremely high cost of utilities, insurance, etc shame on YOU government!!!!
Of all the resources and money we send abroad, this is how we choose to treat our homeless😢! I get the damage it does to a community, but there has to be a better way.
Cruel and unusual punishment.
Then why is it called public property... If the public can not be there.?
Is there a place called.." non public property".. that is wide open land.
That one can camp on or live on,
That can be called home.
Without a house or money..?
You know.. a Human Reserve.
Like we have for animals.
I like when she said "extort money in the form of fines."
The money from the aid bill just passed could have built a house for every homeless person in the US.
Sounds like the return of poor houses and debtor's prison...not good...
Homelessness is a Crime. Homelessness is Poor.
Poor is a Crime. Being Poor Homelessness is a Criminal.
Being Poor , your a Criminal ???????
In other words, the demons think that right is wrong, and wrong is right. This has been going on for thousands of years, and the only way to end it is to rise up against it and defeat it:
Tolerating oppression is the worst sin of all. People must rise against a tyrannical ruler. If the oppressed do not resist oppression, then they are as responsible for their condition as is their oppressor.
-- by Guru Gobind Singh
We will not tolerate tyranny of any kind, whether it is spiritual, social, economic, or political. All Sikhs must confront and combat injustice, oppression, and cruelty.
-- by Guru Hargobind
When all other methods fail, it is just to wield the sword
-- by Guru Gobind Singh
Move it or it will be on your head.
Yep, I can confirm. I cannot afford to pay my property tax on the house I own. No mortgage, no debt of any kind. But because I cannot pay, there is a penalty fee and more debt that will build up.
So it's basically a poverty fee.
They are living the American dream.
They create the problem, then try to turn it into a source of revenue.
Welcome to America. I'm embarrassed to be an American and to call my self one.
I thought of renouncing my citizenship, but it’s even worse elsewhere.
If America is the *best* place in the world to live in, the world is in deep trouble.
@@TheTrueOnyxRoseSwitzerland is the best country to live in,
If they wanted to fix it they would. They want people homeless and unable to get back on their feet. Same thing with the opiod epidemic on the streets. It costs less to tear someone down then to build them up.
It’s easier to destroy than it is to create or rebuild. But it’s a lot more profitable to make the problem worse.
@@TheTrueOnyxRose No it isn't. That is not logical. This is about good and evil and not even money anymore. Same with forcing people to die alone during the lockdowns. There was no need to make all those cancer patients die alone with no visitors allowed. It was pure evil meant to cause suffering. Nothing else. It will get worse as people continue to reject love and chose pride. The devil is laughing. God will win in the end though. Those who took part in the evil will be running scared soon.
EVERYTHING STARTS BY CLOSING THE BORDER.
If being homeless wasn't bad enough now they will fine them for it..SHAME ON THEM!!!
Get ah yob
@@mikrof467:
Get ah lyfe.
Private prisons at work. Homeless get fines. Can’t pay fines. Get caught again. Go to jail. Free money.
Yep... you're 100% dead on correct.
Exactly!
Right what America has become sad so sad
Sure, that solves the problem. 😮😮
Maybe they will get off drugs and be able to hold jobs after they become sober
Paid them a 5 star hotel with food and health services and a bank account with a monthly allowance, like the migrants and they are citizen in need of help they will love being treated well and after that they will never want to come back to street.
Seems like it's simply a way to get rid of the poor.
They know what will happen to those people who have no shelter, and no way to stay warm.
Charge people with fines against people that have no money. Genius.
so they will hv records.
@@gimpee8113 a civil penalty is legal for a prince.
@@gimpee8113 Yes! And free labor.
They want free labor. If a person can't pay, they can work off their fine @ $10.00 per hour.
@@iveyhealth2266 our parks and roads should be litter free then. In my experience tho, they won't show up to work off fines. that's a politicians wet dream, but just like most politicians they are so disconnected from reality, they think that's what's going to happen. I here to let them know it won't.
The boarder is a crime
No Wonder people morals and bad behavior cause of Government, I use to criticize the phrase of " Get Rich or Die Tryin" - but the American government imposing this against all their citizen
We are to blame we blindly vote 🗳️ for losers 5:10 !! We need real leaders with integrity and honesty
That's why I fled America for Bhārat almost 6 years ago. This is the classic case of rākṣasas thinking that right is wrong and wrong is right. America is a country run by demons for demons hell help you if you are not a demon.
@@athenaFS
You're absolutely right!
This is the worst fucking dystopia
cyberpunk.............
Stop the war on the poor 😢
It’s an issue because they are not paying Taxes or any bills. People have started a trend showing that they didn’t need to demand on Government funds. Homeless people have survived on their own all these year and now people are leaving the “High cost luxury apartments”, starting buying R.Vs/camping vans, tents. They had started growing and making ends meats. The higher ups know that people don’t need them anymore. So they are finding ways to skin a cat and still make him pay.
We need Trump to settle these problems. Because the people that works for the government cannot handle the problem. So now I am voting for Trump.
Oklahoma is trying to do this in whole state! People forget their roots!
What about the freedom that you may not want a home you may enjoy your camping and then go to the beach or something.
People were Hunter gathers for thousands of years and now we live in a system where you can’t actually walk through land anymore or camp anywhere except supposed public areas.
Were are they supposed to go
people do not enjoy being Homelessness - It is not camping - It is a desperate need. Funny - How these people will pay fines - If they go to Jail, are there bed in Jails.
So ashamed. I live in Oregon but thank god not Grant's Pass. Shameless. I get not wanting homeless around but this is not the way to go about fixing the problem.
If our government would send the immigrants back we could help Americans and help the homeless with their drug problem and help them get jobs in aboard Home but until we put America first, we can’t do that and quit Funding foreign wars we won’t be able to do that. That’s why we need to get Joe Biden out of office.
And when they arrest you and take your stuff it is hard to get back. You walk out after serving 29 days and have not even a blanket
Don’t support 🇺🇦 and 🇮🇱 help your own country 🇺🇸!!!
just sit on the steps of the police station and when asked just say I am homeless and see if they arrest you at least you should get abed for the night?
👎All the tornadoes that just happened, proves, that anyone can become homeless in the blink of a eye! 😢 And they too would look "unsightly" and be instantly breaking their own laws.. Even if you are rich, when every thing is gone. It might take you a while to prove who you are, and what you have.?
So sad for many, while the elite think that only the are right and get away with anything. The protests are a good example, " peaceful" , is not, loud, obnoxious and the harassment of others, while you demand something. 😢
Focus on getting them in tiny homes or similar accommodation and monitor them !!
Its not camping, its illegally occupying public land.
Imagine that being what gives you a "criminal record"
Let the homeless people sleep at schools and colleges at night when the buildings are not being used
they could get a home and bed i dont know ..... if they got a job ... schools and colleges are not there for people to crash at because they are on drugs and dont have a job... sheesh what a world we live in.... did you imagine this 20-40 years ago?
Looks as if being a veteran is now a crime.
Uncle Sam's hypocritical motto: we'll spend 100s of billions to support our military business but imprison people who've lost their homes and livelihood.
Loosen up the "Tiny House" laws & limitations #affordablehousing
20 days in jail. I'm sure they love that . Food and shelter . SHAME ON YOU UNITED STATES !!!!
Everyone has a right to affordable housing! Fining people who are already struggling is heartless!
That's not a right lol.
@@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism Then you need to decolonize even further. It IS a right to WORK towards housing. ALL people should have it. NO ONE should be bullied out of housing financially, yet that is exactly what it happening. I believe this is very early in the game of ridding us all in America:
AI and its Impact on Society
Oct 31, 2023, updated on April 11, 2024
We must ask ourselves, "What will happen when AI has taken 85% of jobs present in 2020? What will we do? How will we eat and survive without incomes from jobs or other means?" What is disturbing is that while AI is taking these jobs, the gov't and the corporations have not done ANYTHING to prepare us for an AI'ed civilization. They have not said anything about major retraining of an entire economy to something else, and they have not followed up on a discussion of universal basic income. This is supposedly supported by a lack of information in the latest government budgets submitted and approved as reported by some RUclips videos.
It appears that the US gov't and the corporations intend to kill off the majority of Americans passively, through starvation from lack of income to buy food. (check and see if farming production is declining or will start to decline ahead of the "starvation phase") (also check to see if the "makeup" of robot equipment allocation would change to reflect a trend away from retail and services for the masses, possibly indicating an extinction of the American public - this means taking a robot from Chipotle and repurposing it for some other job not related to the public, or scrapping affected robots to be remade for some other purpose that has nothing to do with the public) It appears that the decline of farming has already started with the state of Maine buying farm land under the pretext that there are "forever chemicals" present at around 20 parts per TRILLION (safe level is said to be only 4 parts per TRILLION), which does not make sense, BUT this would rope in a LOT of land across the US. Other states may follow suit in addition to the ten states that have similar laws in place.
This way, there are only enough people alive to get some things done, and the rest is done by AI, and the survivors who planned this can claim the whole country for themselves. Imagine having an estate mansion half the size of a mall on several dozen thousand acres of land, and robots would be used to maintain and clean the estates and do the farming FOR THE ESTATE OWNERS. The White Man's wet dream of civilization. What will the Native Americans south of the US border do when they see this coming, especially when they can buy firearms legally now? Hopi prophecy...
When did our Government ever have a heart?
@@-lost8092 Never. They're settler colonialist from Europe. Did you know the doctrine of Christian discovery is still their "law" as to how they own my ancestral land title? Not kidding. They claim their false god "Jesus" gave it to them.
They have no heart, man.
@@-lost8092 But, I'm not sure why the op claimed "affordable housing" was a right, within the settler colony of the US. That's NEVER been one of the settlers rights lol. The US settler colony has ALWAYS been a capitalist state. This means by default, like all capitalist states; some will always go without. It's literally impossible for that to be a right, inside America. If it were a right, who would define "affordable" and what protections would there be for the seller, if it were a "right" since it couldn't be taken away? It's not possible to declare housing as a right (affordable or otherwise) inside a capitalists state. It doesn't even make any sense. I have no clue where they came up with that.
Keep giving money to Ucraine and Israel.
In LA affordable housing is not the main problem. Most homeless don't even want to go to shelters because drugs are not allowed there. The elephant in the room that no politician talks about is the addiction epidemic.
Really there is a 10 year waiting for section 8 housing
And mental illness.
THIS IS WAR
Do laws against Homelessness apply to Illegal Immigrants?
Or are they only used to homeless American Vets ??
You can only push the people before we all break.
Only in BIDEN'S America. -_- smh
As sad as it is, some people just can't help being homeless. And to ticket them $700 doesn't make a damn bit of sense. It's like them charging you a late charge when you're late on a bill. This is only going to get worse and they know it. This is a result of the current administration that has taxed everybody completely out of their homes, jobs, vehicles, etc. Instead of them wasting taxpayers money on putting them in jail, why don't you build some more shelters or get some housing for the homeless. Yeah give another how many billions to another country when this is a problem in our own cities and streets. Yeah what another 61 billion Ukraine 🤮
I was cited twice for camping on private property, with the owners permission in front of the "lawdawgs". Citation for being homeless in Northern California: $800
Typical stereotyping the homeless
Now the homeless comprises
Those who can't afford high rent
Homeless are going to retaliate... Also, jails will be superovermegacrowded. That's creating jobs.
Congress. Allowed. Corporate. Homes. Monopoly. No. New. Home's. HOA taxes insurance. Congress. Needs. To. Step. In. No Tax. Payers. Money. For. Ukraine. Esrael
And they just sent 90 billion dollars to Ukraine and Israel 😮😢
I would say: A government not providing people at least a basic house is a human rights violation
You only get housing if you cross illegally, silly!
AND WHO GETS STUCK WITH THE BILL? JAILS ARE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN!!
Fine homeless people? Brilliant! That will help fund foriegn wars!
You're gonna fine the homeless who don't have money and throw them in jail if they can't pay. Even if it's meant to mitigate the situation it's wrong
It’s not their fault the government has not been building enough housing for the-poor
I would like to see a bill passed that says if Congress is unable to balance the budget, they dont get paid. And that no money leaves the country for foreign aid unless it comes out of a surplus in the countries budget
Who is gonna pay fines if they are homeless 🤔
Afflicted people can't make businesses hire them. If a child was neglected and didn't achieve necessary stages of development, the crime that led to homelessness wasn't really committed by the child, was it? Selfish ambition leaves the needy in the dust. Real citizens with a soul would look at the mess, and say "that is our mess, not just their mess."
ARE THEY CRAZY ….PUNISHING HOMELESS NESS ….. DO YOU REALIZE THAT ANYONE CAN BECOME HOMELESS AT ANYTIME? ✌🏽😇♥️
Every homeless person needs to file suit against that city and state in federal court for rights deprivation.
It is not hard to get any police officer to violate civil rights.
These cases are worth thousands, if not millions.
Now they are not homeless.
Problem solved.
Can't fight homeless people with homeless people every way you look at it they are still homeless .
Next you will be fined for not being rich
@@bettysmith5678 They won't need to be homeless after being awarded hundreds of thousands of dollars in a federal lawsuit.
Thats what you got for electing this party .
It’s either this party or the one that’s far worse.
There's a budget for Aid in war 😂😂😂😂why no budget for homeless Americans
So if poor how will they pay the fine makes no sense
They need a work for dmv fee exchange and cheap cars. More temp services and portopottys. The poor in America are the last friendly people. It’s gotten to be no middle class and extreme poverty and hate on the poor.
Let’s have some humanity here. Punishing people for experiencing hardship never works. But there need to be resources available for addicts to get help. Create more free Drug and Alcohol Residential Recovery Homes. Most addicts need help getting clean and sober. A facility to monitor them and give them pharmaceuticals to help withstand the withdrawal process. Medical staff to assess physical and mental health status. Referrals to social services to help the houseless become self~supporting and stay off the streets. It worked in the 80’s in California and it will work again. Let’s do it!✝️
i wish i could quit working and get free food health care and cell phones without working.... and just get drunk and high every day ... what a life and what a world we live in when this is regarded as an option
너무나 가혹한 법이다
돈이 없어 거리에서 짐승처럼 살고 있는데
거기에 벌금
그리고 반복하면 감옥 이런 참혹한 벌 은 법이 아니다
우선 그들에게 살곳을 제공해주고 갈곳이 있어야 할텐데 무작정 이런 차가운 법 은 결국 다 감옥에 보내겠다고 ? 그 많은 사람들을? 지금 감옥도 미어터진다고 들었는데
해도 해도 나무하네 노숙자 문제를 해결하자 하니
그냥 다 쓸어버리겠다고?
어디로? 감옥으로
누가 이런 유치한 생각을 하고 법을 만들었는지 그 사람들을 다 티켓을 줘야겠네 노숙자 문제 똑바로 해결 못하면 자꾸 반복 이런 간단한 티켓 방법을 한다면 이 법을 만들고 찬성한사람들에게 똑같이 법을 적용해 보자
국민을 위해서 일하라고 하니 참 어이가 없네 ! 어이가 없어 ! 도와주지는 못해도 범죄인 낙인은 찍지말자 나 쁜짓을 한사람만 잡아가라
가난이 죄가 아니다
무지도 죄가 아니다
이러한 티켓을 주는것은 악법이다 주거를 할수 있게 하고 난다음에 살수 있게 아이디어를 생각해보자
USA surviving options: Go west to be fined for being homeless and get shelter inside a prison. Go east to get shelter and some debit cards for food, you can even shoplifting, it's fine.
Wow…are you sure that this is America?
The land of the brave and the land of the mother of democracy…
The homeless people in that town need to get the best lawyer so they can get lots of money…oops our taxpayers money.
I am okay with that because it will go to Ukraine and Co pretty soon.
The mayor, the city council, any people who came out with this garbage needs to be sacked.
Where should the homeless people go?
I am sad.
I used to be homeless. Didn't take long to figure out everyone there with me was responsible for their own homelessness as was I. Hardly anyone uses the shelters and most chose drugs over doing anything better. If you're homeless, stop being lazy and entitled
I used 2 be homeless. Lived in a shelter, for awhile. Now I own a home, and bought one to flip. My life did a 180. But. One thing I noticed, most homeless people, have mental issues. Or family that didn't help or raise correctly. Being homeless is now illegal, feeding the homeless is illegal in some states. Point is......piss off. You either care for ur brothers or u don't. I do. So....once again.......piss off.
Wow such a developed country😂
A company called Celina Military Shelters have huge Military style Tents that could be used for housing where Residents would do jobs to maintain Campuses.
I agree that camping out in residential business districts and underpasses is a blight and unsanitary. However, housing with supervision must be provided as alternatives. Fining homeless people will not accomplish anything.
Since the authority don't seems prosecute crimes anymore, how is anything become a crime important?
NOVEMBER cannot COME FAST ENOUGH. Dear Heavens, I am so glad that I only have 40 or 50 years left to live. I can't imagine this world in 50 years.
No,not totally accurate.
I live in Oregon and I am the first to say our leadership is pathetic here! That said, what is illegal is camping on public sidewalks and leaving garbage everywhere. They can no longer camp in public areas.
Trust me, they are still camping but now taking over City parks as they leave the public areas. Nothing is being done about that other then closing these City parks. Happening all over Oregon.
And Oregon has absolutely no solutions to any of this.
Our prisons and jails are full so explain to me how the state DA here who says most laws are racist is going to change anything when no one can enforce even fines?
Banned homelessness, but decriminalized drugs/substance use? Way to go, Oregon!
Ukraine. Taiwan. Israel. Come see where all your money went.
Isn't it obvious that the appointed public servants aren't for the people?
my state charges fees for camping in state parks.
If a person has two hands and two legs/ can he / she work ?
Sorry, I am a stupid immigrant.
Came to America at age of 43 , did not speak English well, went to school , working at the same time and became an RN.
I think letting someone on street and not providing them home should be a crime
We now are getting close to having 1,000 billionaires in the United States. Many of whom became that way off the labor workers being paid shit wages having to work second jobs to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. Over 750 billionaires who spend a large sum each year to indirectly pay the lowest taxes. My last 10 years self employed I paid 49% of my gross earnings to FICA. The billionaires paying so little enables them to have more multi millionaire executives who receive 1,2 and 3 million dollar bonuses than ever in history. Greed begets more greed and the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. People then say they are the dregs of society and all hooked on drugs. First of all they were not always hooked on drugs. Secondly when families are barely getting by it doesn't take much of a crisis to wind up breaking people down and their will to live. Drug addiction and suicides are at all time historical rise. Our government would actually end up saving money if they taxed the ultra rich a little more and spent it on mental health ,treatment centers that take in on a sliding scale instead of a cushy place for wealthy addicts. And housing for all. We have enough empty abandoned houses for ever single homeless person to get 24. 24 empty houses for every single homeless person. Of all the houses in the US 10 percent are abandoned.
hey supreme court jesus was homeless plenty and many before him and since jesus , if u do not have decent job training and decent life basics in schools we pay taxes for and decent min wage that gos up with the cost of living and that training free one night a week in churches and high schools then u will have too much homelessness , most shelters are not a home they are semi mini jails
The weird thing is that the US pours huge sums of money into all this.