for anyone that doesn't know, this was a convoluted build in 3.5 that allowed kobolds to remove anything that damaged them. Since they suffer from sunlight sensitivity, they chose to remove the sun.
That’s not wish. Fun fact: in earlier editions kobolds don’t like the sun and get disadvantages on things if themselves or their target are in the sun. Some feat or ability gives the user the ability to “end the effect.” In this case the effect in question is the sun.
For context: In 3.5e dnd, there was a class called Warblade. One spell accessible to the warblade is "Iron Heart Surge", which lets you select one spell, effect, or condition that is affecting you and immediately end the effect. Since it ends the effect rather than making you no longer affected by it, it would essentially allow you to "end" the sun if you are sensitive to sunlight
@@mattfantastic9969 Unless it's a storm cloud it's only goign to somewhat reduce light. A total eclipse is more absolute. Plus it's just way more dramatic.
I think technically the official dnd world has a firmament and/or the sun is part of another plane, so theoretically the 8 minutes thing wouldn't apply. But imagining he already blew it up and spent 8 minutes running around looking for someone to impress is hilarious
After the few moments, you realise your still very much alive. Confused, you look back down at the kobold, who is now running away with all of your valuables
But I swear it wasn't me. I watched that cage 24/7.* I've been not sleeping at all staring at a cage that is opened.And I hate it* You might have gotten invisibility.
Sir,.........that's my fault .......i mean he seemed harmless, and he's just so adorable, and he .....he just needs to run around a little to burn off that energy i mean i didn't know he could do that
tldr: Tabletop rules arguments get really REALLY stupid sometimes. This is from a response to a similar post on twitter, I couldn't remember the specifics. So thanks to @Xenothulhu "If anyone’s wondering this is a reference to an old argument from 3.5. There was an ability that said that if you were under a negative condition (like poisoning or a spell) you could use the ability and make a saving throw and if you succeeded you would end the effect. Note that it says “end the effect” and not “no longer be under the effect”. So if a wizard cast a mass suggestion spell and you used this by a strict reading you would cancel the entire spell and free everyone else as well. Probably not the intent but that’s the wording. Kobold’s have sunlight sensitivity. So when they are exposed to sunlight they are under a negative condition and can use the ability to end the effect. Except in this case “the effect” is the sun itself. So they end the sun. Obviously this wasn’t a thing seriously suggested and was more of a way to show how dumb things became when you considered RAW only."
Because of how light works and how it takes about 8 minutes for light from the sun to travel from there to earth, he did that 8 minutes ago and decided to do that silly “little” prank on them
Or he concentrated for that amount of time, and that adventurer actually waited patiently. Either to see what the kobold could do, or to see them pass out from straining too hard, we won't know, their worlds fucking *G O N E* That, or the kobold learned illusion magic.
And if you're gonna go that far, before that 8 minutes passed for validation of said Kobolds' god-like powers - everyone would be dead before they got to see the sun explode to realize it was exploding....kinda anticlimactic actually...
The DM boutta make you gather the entire friend group around a campfire. Once you’ve gathered everyone, the DM will TPK you and move onto the next campaign.
That distraction was just enough for you to fail a save on minor illusion and you just pass out from fear. The kobold then robs you and runs away laughing
Hmm, my wisdom save suggests this is a spell that causes me to hallucinate such a thing. I ignore that and besides my Sun God would have protected it and itself from a mere Kobold.
I imagine that’s not even what the kobold was trying to do, he was just trying to show something innocent, then the sun just happened to explode at that moment
You roll a 19. You dispels all illusions in your area but nothing changes. The only thing that happens is that you realize that this is not a normal Kobold, but a 3.5 Warblade Kobold. You and all life are about to die.
Context: In 3.5 edition, you could roll a saving throw against negative effects, or as the game phrased it, "end the effect", meaning that according to the edition's own wording, you could cancel out stuff like aoe spells with it Combine that with kobolds having a penalty effect while in sunlight.. they should be able to have such a saving throw to end their penalty effect, which in this case would be.. the sun itself
First dnd session me and my party came across a kobold den. Long story short we got a kobold friend. He threw potions, (missed 90%), and whacked with his scorpion on a stick. He died in his fourth encounter. Frost Wolves. I took his scorpion stick and we kept goin. Kobold name was Cinder.
He was the child of prophecy, they had tested every kobold to see if they could use this ability with other sources, and then it started its journey to find the main character and proceed to show them the glorious potential of magic 😂😂
It takes approximately 8 minutes for sunlight to hit Earth's surface. That means that the kobold has been concentrating on, or cast, that spell at least 7 and a half minutes before running up to the kid to let them know who's responsible for ending their and everyone else's lives.
But if the Kobold wants to show you what it can do, it means rhat he has already done so, or it wouldn't want to show it. So it must have already exploded the sun ateast once.
Idk why. BUT THIS. THIS! Broke me! I pulled a muscle in my back, scared my dog AND laughed so long and loudly it genuinely made my girlfriend AND my roommates upset. Watched it again 😂😂😂😂😂😂 it's still funny. This shit tickles me to no end wtf I can't stop.
I know that sometimes stuff I write is interpreted as an angry rant. Especially in the dnd community. Please understand that this is just me theorizing about physics, math, and magic. There are no emotions in this comment. All it takes is to make it seem like a piece of glass with just the right shape is in front of their eyes. But I guess illusion magic messes with how a brain interprets sensory input, and doesn't actually bend any light, so the "piece of glass" idea would probably not work. Maybe if there is a spell that creates a slowing field, and the field shape can be modified and bound to a point in space between each of someone's eyes and the sun, with a direction that is based on gravity. Still, a mirror or other reflective surface would instantly break such an illusion, and I don't see a way around having to make the shape of the slowing field adapt to the way the person is positioned. Afterall, your eyes are not the only part of your body that can detect sunlight. Additionally, even if the illusion is perfect, one would still be able to figure out that the sun isn't gone, because if it was, the planet would slowly get colder by radiating heat into space in the form of infrared light. But magic breaks the laws of thermodynamics. So to make perfect illusion of the sun being blocked out, you would have to cast an illusion on every creature, and absorb more energy than hits the earth constantly. So basically, that just circles back to just blocking out the sun.
This kobold is an interdemensional scourge that has destroyed dozens of solar systems and will already be destroying another adjacent one by the time that planet is vaporized.
What a coincidence! The Kobold was just going to use create water and offer the adventurer a drink at the same time the sun randomly exploded. What are the odds!
Reading the explanations, I am just going to headcannon an elaborate plan involving illusions or charms to steal the adventurer's belongings. Like one pretending to do something, one using the magic, and another going through pockets.
There's a main comment that brought this up but I'll repeat it, all credit goes to @MasterZenll The joke is that there was an ability that let's you "end" a negative effect you are experiencing, as in its source ends. Kobold suffer negative effects from the sun, and thus would end the sun 😂
Yeah, he got me with that one too. I blacked out from the shock and when I came to, the little bugger had ran off with my packed lunch, bedroll and one of my dang boots! These kobold illusionists are getting trickier with every day that passes. >:(
“Who starts a campaign like that? I just sat down!”
Campaign to restart the sun? Sounds awesome!
The ULTIMATE "rocks fall, everybody dies"
@@tylerpoppele4558 I'm in
Tear up your sheets, this is Mörk Borg now
Now I want fantasy campaign which starts as generic fantasy and then everything is subverted with mindfuck calamity.
for anyone that doesn't know, this was a convoluted build in 3.5 that allowed kobolds to remove anything that damaged them. Since they suffer from sunlight sensitivity, they chose to remove the sun.
That’s insane. 😂
Omg that’s amazing.
And now they gave it to the Kuo-toa.
A very liberal interpretation of the "Iron Heart Surge" maneuver
Context makes it even funnier lol
"Look what I can do!" Implies he did that once before.
Why do you think you're never played another campaign in that other homebrew setting your DM made?
IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED 😂😂
There used to be 2 suns
"Ever hear about the Big Bang? Yeah... It was me, who do you think called it The Big Bang? Obviously a Kobold."
since it would take 8 minutes (80turns) for the light to reach the planet, it implies he saw the world ending ritual and wanted to play one last joke.
And during that time you were looking up in horror, the other two Kobolds took your valuables.
Good luck to them in the handful of minutes life has left to exist
@@jamesrussels7766it was a ruse.
"Clever girl."
@@jamesrussels7766nah dude he just cast major illusion
And then the illusion fades, leaving the sun as it was, but your gear not so much
"The kobold casts wish"
Wait, a level 3 Kobold has wis-
"BIGGEST FIREBALL IN THE SKY, KABOOM!"
*HOLY SHI-*
😂😂😂
Nah, phantasmal force is more likely. It's a low-ish level spell, and would work on a single opponent/ victim
Oh Lord please level three kolbold spare us
That’s not wish. Fun fact: in earlier editions kobolds don’t like the sun and get disadvantages on things if themselves or their target are in the sun. Some feat or ability gives the user the ability to “end the effect.” In this case the effect in question is the sun.
For context: In 3.5e dnd, there was a class called Warblade. One spell accessible to the warblade is "Iron Heart Surge", which lets you select one spell, effect, or condition that is affecting you and immediately end the effect.
Since it ends the effect rather than making you no longer affected by it, it would essentially allow you to "end" the sun if you are sensitive to sunlight
I assume in a proper DnD session they'd simply say a temporary eclipse suddenly occures or something
@@metazoxan2or like... A cloud
@@mattfantastic9969 Unless it's a storm cloud it's only goign to somewhat reduce light. A total eclipse is more absolute.
Plus it's just way more dramatic.
Sounds more like a darkness spell...
But the effect is the sunlight. The sun isn't an effect it's an object
Actually the effect is sunlight sensitivity so this would just negate that
As it turns out, the kobald just wanted to show you he could lift little rocks with his mind, the sun exploding was completely unrelated
"I didn't do it..."
That's actually what I thought the joke was initially. That the kobold was doing something else. And the sun exploded unrelated.
Well apparently it's a "pesant railgun" type of build in 3,5 @@josephrion3514
"Mom you're not looking!!!"
The sun was a paid actor
Turns out the kobold learned the spell major illusion, and has been pranking everyone they can find.
nope pun pun is not only immune to all damage types but he can give himself almost any spell he wishes INCLUDING WISH 😂
Explains the lack of an 8 ish minute wait.
(16 if magic effects are also limited to the speed of light)
i knew it
Well according to another comment sun destroying kobold is a build for 3,5 though it's more of a pesant railgun type of thing
I could not help thinking that. Thank you.
he was so powerful that he made the sun blow up 8 minutes before the conversation
Illusion.
I think technically the official dnd world has a firmament and/or the sun is part of another plane, so theoretically the 8 minutes thing wouldn't apply.
But imagining he already blew it up and spent 8 minutes running around looking for someone to impress is hilarious
HA! astrophysics joke.
@@GeneralTaco155555ahas the power to does this, but doesn't think ahead enough have a witness prepared.... classic kobold
@@GeneralTaco155555adepends on the dm, new dnd is space bound
5 seconds earlier: The murderhobo kills the last plot relevant npc, pushing the DM over the line
After the few moments, you realise your still very much alive. Confused, you look back down at the kobold, who is now running away with all of your valuables
Standing there in underwear: "...Eh, he earned it."
Ah yes
Solar Flare
That escalated quickly
I mean, that really got out of hand fast
I was thinking the same thing
How did the kobold know he could do this, I'm honestly scared even more now.
He's a planewalker/spelljammer
His name is Pun Pun. He is the definition of broken
Goddammit, WHO LET PUN PUN OUT OF THE 3.5 CAGE?!
But I swear it wasn't me. I watched that cage 24/7.* I've been not sleeping at all staring at a cage that is opened.And I hate it* You might have gotten invisibility.
i did it
ALL HAIL PUN PUN !!!!
Sir,.........that's my fault .......i mean he seemed harmless, and he's just so adorable, and he .....he just needs to run around a little to burn off that energy i mean i didn't know he could do that
I read “3.5” as “eighth” and I just don’t know how to fee rn
@@takashishin8282This world has twenty FIVE HOUR days
In actuality it’s major illusion and his buddies have taken your stuff.
"I can only do it once, though."
**everything dies**
tldr: Tabletop rules arguments get really REALLY stupid sometimes.
This is from a response to a similar post on twitter, I couldn't remember the specifics. So thanks to @Xenothulhu
"If anyone’s wondering this is a reference to an old argument from 3.5. There was an ability that said that if you were under a negative condition (like poisoning or a spell) you could use the ability and make a saving throw and if you succeeded you would end the effect.
Note that it says “end the effect” and not “no longer be under the effect”. So if a wizard cast a mass suggestion spell and you used this by a strict reading you would cancel the entire spell and free everyone else as well. Probably not the intent but that’s the wording.
Kobold’s have sunlight sensitivity. So when they are exposed to sunlight they are under a negative condition and can use the ability to end the effect. Except in this case “the effect” is the sun itself. So they end the sun.
Obviously this wasn’t a thing seriously suggested and was more of a way to show how dumb things became when you considered RAW only."
Very clever 😂😂😂, thank you for sharing the story with us. I appreciate you.
Also, for anyone confused RAW stands for "Rules As Written"
Honestly I'd just rule it as making them no longer sensitive to sunlight myself
tbh if this happened in my game I'd blow up the sun and make the new campaign goal to restore the sun
I wouldn't really consider the sun an effect, more of an object or location.
@@Mithrondly could also go the permanent eclipse route
That kobold is so powerful, it can make explosions detonate faster than light.
The sun's light takes 8 minutes to reach us.
The kobold was just concentrating on exploding the sun for 7 minutes before the short started. nice try but unfortunately I woke up earlier than you.
This is DnD bb, it’s not the same sun and not the same physics
It's obviously a very talented illusionist... That was my thought.
A well-placed illusion of an exploding sun would eclipse the actual sun.
@@WiggyWamWam idk if this is meant to be consecending but if it is then LOL
THIS is why you don't feed a Kobold, they never leave once you do, then they show you this kinda stuff 😂
You also see the kobold fail to do a back flip the sun thing was just bad timing
In learning he could do this, it means he’s probably done this before.
A planeswalking little scamp
Because of how light works and how it takes about 8 minutes for light from the sun to travel from there to earth, he did that 8 minutes ago and decided to do that silly “little” prank on them
Or he concentrated for that amount of time, and that adventurer actually waited patiently.
Either to see what the kobold could do, or to see them pass out from straining too hard, we won't know, their worlds fucking *G O N E*
That, or the kobold learned illusion magic.
Considering Magik is involved maybe the affect is superluminol
@@RequiemPoete yeah could be but then that would be an insanely powerful guy
@@CitrusBunch2003 As opposed to how insanely powerful it already is?
That's some real curiosity to stand there staring at Kobold for 8 minutes believing he would deliver.
And if you're gonna go that far, before that 8 minutes passed for validation of said Kobolds' god-like powers - everyone would be dead before they got to see the sun explode to realize it was exploding....kinda anticlimactic actually...
Damn that kobold has hallucinatory terrain thats a 4th level spell
When the DM just finished playing Outer Wilds
The DM boutta make you gather the entire friend group around a campfire. Once you’ve gathered everyone, the DM will TPK you and move onto the next campaign.
Here comes the sun
Doo-do-do-doo
Here comes the sun
peak comment
and i say,
its alright.
Fuckin oh no!
Anddd it's gone
This comment should be pinned
He found a wand with 3 charges of major illusion earlier that day.
if someone told me they exploded the sun Im finding someone else 7 minutes later than telling them Im about to do it
I have never seen a video that better encapsulates my level 30 wizard Kobold
That distraction was just enough for you to fail a save on minor illusion and you just pass out from fear. The kobold then robs you and runs away laughing
Kobold dice roll
Is 20 20 and 20
I love how there is always a character that can just explode the sun or something crazy like that and just no one takes them seriously at first.
Illusion. You are pickpocketed
Silent image is a bitch in the hands of an artist that understands perspective
Hmm, my wisdom save suggests this is a spell that causes me to hallucinate such a thing. I ignore that and besides my Sun God would have protected it and itself from a mere Kobold.
It's a very strong kobold. 400d20 fire and 400d20 radiant damage.
I imagine that’s not even what the kobold was trying to do, he was just trying to show something innocent, then the sun just happened to explode at that moment
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Unless he can reverse it then that would be the most EPIC FUCKING Party trick, EVER! ☀️💥🌞
An extreamly powerful illusionist kobold could be a fun leader for a kobold village, being hailed as the god who creates and destroys suns.
"Parry" the ☀️
am gonna lose eeet
-some Tony dude
So what did you guys rolled?! I think we need a team’s worth of nat 20’s to parry the sun’s explosion
How did this kobald figure out it could do that 💀💀
Aw, we can't see his trick. Damn exploding sun, wait a minute!
"I roll to disbelieve the illusion." xD
You roll a 19.
You dispels all illusions in your area but nothing changes. The only thing that happens is that you realize that this is not a normal Kobold, but a 3.5 Warblade Kobold.
You and all life are about to die.
@@9751matt Ah... Wizard, do you have a gate available? Portal? Planeshift? And he's already gone.
Context: In 3.5 edition, you could roll a saving throw against negative effects, or as the game phrased it, "end the effect", meaning that according to the edition's own wording, you could cancel out stuff like aoe spells with it
Combine that with kobolds having a penalty effect while in sunlight.. they should be able to have such a saving throw to end their penalty effect, which in this case would be.. the sun itself
Nice use of requiem of a dream
Thank you sir!
I have spent 20 years passively looking for that song. Thank you.
This escalated really fcin quickly😂😂😂
Thqts one fucking powerful kobold
I honestly thought it was just gonna be “the Kobold concentrates really hard” and then nothing would happen.
There was a better than 50% chance
Shit. That escalated quickly. I mean thay REALLY escalated quickly.
First dnd session me and my party came across a kobold den. Long story short we got a kobold friend. He threw potions, (missed 90%), and whacked with his scorpion on a stick. He died in his fourth encounter. Frost Wolves. I took his scorpion stick and we kept goin. Kobold name was Cinder.
Boy, that kobold really just TPK'D the *GALAXY.*
that's Punpun for you
How... how many times has he done that?
The real question is… how did he know he could do that unless he’d done it before?
exactly what i was thinking!
Blew up a different sun?
He was the child of prophecy, they had tested every kobold to see if they could use this ability with other sources, and then it started its journey to find the main character and proceed to show them the glorious potential of magic 😂😂
It takes approximately 8 minutes for sunlight to hit Earth's surface. That means that the kobold has been concentrating on, or cast, that spell at least 7 and a half minutes before running up to the kid to let them know who's responsible for ending their and everyone else's lives.
Oh, for fucks sake. Don't look directly at the sun!
To be fair, if the sun was blowing up, I'd stare right at it until my eyes melt😊 off
Aaawe how cute.... wait... oh no, things have taken a turn
why is the elf so casually cute its honestly distraction from the funny lol
But if the Kobold wants to show you what it can do, it means rhat he has already done so, or it wouldn't want to show it.
So it must have already exploded the sun ateast once.
Where... How...there's more than one sun?
@@jamiechurch2473 So, he can dimension hop as well, huh?
What an asshole!
So he blew up the sun, saw what that would do and proceeded to do it again UNPROMPTED?!!
That's not the sun, that's just absolute radiance slowly making it's way towards earth in its ancient form.
There are 2 types of kobolds
The cute and lovable
The absolutely insane ones
There is one type of kobold, and it is both those things.
@@n.henzler50 that's the special difficulty option unlocked after the end game
I can do this really cool trick, but I can only do it once.
And that's how the Darksun setting started
Idk why. BUT THIS. THIS! Broke me! I pulled a muscle in my back, scared my dog AND laughed so long and loudly it genuinely made my girlfriend AND my roommates upset.
Watched it again 😂😂😂😂😂😂 it's still funny. This shit tickles me to no end wtf I can't stop.
It would be a kobold that does something like this.
It’s either scorpions or blowing up the goddamned sun, there is no in between.
Kobolds have no chill.
That adventurer is cute
cast minor illusion.
Minor illusion Implies major illusion...
That's scary
@@FierceDeity35 hey buddy, bad news
I know that sometimes stuff I write is interpreted as an angry rant. Especially in the dnd community. Please understand that this is just me theorizing about physics, math, and magic. There are no emotions in this comment.
All it takes is to make it seem like a piece of glass with just the right shape is in front of their eyes.
But I guess illusion magic messes with how a brain interprets sensory input, and doesn't actually bend any light, so the "piece of glass" idea would probably not work.
Maybe if there is a spell that creates a slowing field, and the field shape can be modified and bound to a point in space between each of someone's eyes and the sun, with a direction that is based on gravity.
Still, a mirror or other reflective surface would instantly break such an illusion, and I don't see a way around having to make the shape of the slowing field adapt to the way the person is positioned. Afterall, your eyes are not the only part of your body that can detect sunlight.
Additionally, even if the illusion is perfect, one would still be able to figure out that the sun isn't gone, because if it was, the planet would slowly get colder by radiating heat into space in the form of infrared light.
But magic breaks the laws of thermodynamics.
So to make perfect illusion of the sun being blocked out, you would have to cast an illusion on every creature, and absorb more energy than hits the earth constantly.
So basically, that just circles back to just blocking out the sun.
the sun is already a giant explosion, so isn't he just making it...bigger?
Roses are red, cacti is prickly, holy shit that escalated quickly.
Question is how did the kobold get a chance to try it the first time to even know he could do it? 🤔
another Kobold can reverse time
He correctly predicted the exact time the sun would explode and instead of telling anyone he took it to fuck with one traveler
This kobold is an interdemensional scourge that has destroyed dozens of solar systems and will already be destroying another adjacent one by the time that planet is vaporized.
PUN PUN IS IMMUNE TO ALL TYPES OF DAMAGE 😂😂😂
@@dotdedo this makes the most sense
Major Image is a hell of a drug.
“Pretty cool right!?”
I mean I guess you wouldn't actually know for about 8 minutes whether or not the sun actually exploded.
Unless the Kobold timed it and actually started the explosion 8 minutes before!
They did it earlier
They a prepared lil guy
The Kobold didn't make the sun explode, the Kobold can simply see the future and thought it would be a great joke.
Pretty sure as it approaches things would kinda speed up, stupid
@@svant3he threw that shit before he came in the room!
Kobold learned solar flare. 😂
He just a wittle guy :3
Oh, so he’s going to blow up pancakes with- No, this one works that’s better😂
What a coincidence! The Kobold was just going to use create water and offer the adventurer a drink at the same time the sun randomly exploded. What are the odds!
It's always a kobald.......
Hes not a kobold he is mind goblin (its psionic)
Come on, Gricko, what’s a mind goblin? How am I supposed to know what a mind goblin is if you don’t articulate it?
@@ChillBill327 *painful silence*
@@ChillBill327*evil smile*
So this is an illusion?
A single tear runs on my cheek...@@ChillBill327
My last word would be: nice trick
I wonder how he tested that…
you missed his cool trick, he can grow tulips out of any dirt
Reading the explanations, I am just going to headcannon an elaborate plan involving illusions or charms to steal the adventurer's belongings.
Like one pretending to do something, one using the magic, and another going through pockets.
I was expecting the moon from Majora's Mask.
But that's worse.
*blows up sun with mind*
Muh fuckin sun br-
*dies*
my fuckin sun-
That feels like the kind of thing you can only find out once
So..... what could the kobold do?
Explode da sun..... obviously.
There's a main comment that brought this up but I'll repeat it, all credit goes to @MasterZenll
The joke is that there was an ability that let's you "end" a negative effect you are experiencing, as in its source ends. Kobold suffer negative effects from the sun, and thus would end the sun 😂
Ah looks like a start to when day breaks
Uncanny dodge this super nova.
Seems kind of impractical.
how did he learn he can do this
Yeah, he got me with that one too. I blacked out from the shock and when I came to, the little bugger had ran off with my packed lunch, bedroll and one of my dang boots! These kobold illusionists are getting trickier with every day that passes.
>:(
It concentrated so hard it broke physics and made light travel faster than light speed
Little guy looks like that but is in fact a level 20 sorcerer
"Stewart! You know better than to blow up the sun!"
Ah yeeeees, good old kobold shenanigans
3.5 was wild
best edition
@@lizrengaming5133 Indeed, best edition of them all! Hence why Pathfinder 1E survived another 10 years, as it was 99% D&D 3.5 :)
He killed the sun god
I wouldnt have been mad, i think i wouldve started praying to the cobalt lmao
• plays Lux Aeterna
• rembers the internet from 20 years ago
O_o
Scary thing is, he did it 8 mins prior to running up to you
That took a turn
Nah, just an action. The kobold still got to move first.
damn THAT IS ONE TALENTED KOBOLD