Whenever I think about these things, I remember my best friend telling me he was gay and being so afraid to lose me as a friend. I don't want anyone to go through that kind of rejection, not from people and not from any church.
I am now an old man, born 1936. In my hometown I guessed to be the only gay person. I had the chance of meeting a wonderful girl, very attractive, intelligent, good character and prepared to try together the most extravagant things, as emigrating to the Amazonian forests . She was a perfect match. Then there was thiat same sex attraction and I dropped the relation without coming out. I made quite an impressive business career but fell in the trap of wild gay life in Paris and later San Francisco, with sex parties and drugs. I went through hell! It was very difficult to get out of this scene ! In California I met a highly cultivated man, son of a well to do upper class family and very catholic. Without any egoistic intentions he helped me to get free and convinced me to attend mass. He was one of the best persons I have ever met in my life. Now I am living since nearly 40 years with the same partner. We go to mass every Sunday and thank God for a fulfilled life and that we have one another..
A word of caution to my young brothers out there. As a gay man pushing 60, I've been hurt, kicked around, mistreated and used my entire life by gay men. So much so that Jesus and the church have become my refuge. I wish I had dedicated more of my youth to the Lord. Live your life wisely! The gay world does not look kindly upon old men and looks even less kindly upon broke old men. Sometimes the church, like a loving parent knows better. No matter how sinful you are always maintain friendship with Jesus.
It’s the same for me. For any Gay person in the church who thinks they are going to find a good catholic gay man to build a ‘family’ with doesn’t understand the scripture that says; For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. He wants to serve God the way that suits himself but not God. He is not going to be catholic for long. The way I see it is this. If I spend my life here on earth doing my best to live a chaste life as a gay catholic I can have the whole of eternity with Jesus. Even if I live a 1000yrs that is nothing compared to eternity. So I will try my best to not engage in homosexual activities. And if I slip then I am so very grateful I have confession to fall back on. Thank you Jesus. And Jesus please help these two men who need your grace and guidance, just like I still do. Amen 🙏🏽
I defected from the Church to join Buddhism. Humans are religious and I am so happy to be a gay man in a religion that accepts reality. Leaving Christianity was the best decision I ever made.
60 years old Peruvian here. Several elements of your story remind me of my own, though the ecclesial experience “after” has important differences. We all know that in general U.S. Catholics are extremely conservative and traditional, but nevertheless I was impressed to hear some things in your story. I joined a Catholic community (not a parish, but a non-territorial community where young people from all over the city participated) when I was 15 years old. There I received theological and spiritual formation, participated in all kinds of catechesis and social volunteering for years, was an advisor to youth groups, etc. I am still involved, by the way. And since the mid-1990s, I became a member of the secular branch of a religious congregation of which I have been national coordinator several times. When I was 18 years old, I became aware of my orientation, it was a very hard moment, traumatic in fact, and I lived it first as “a test from God”, so the next eight years of my life I fought with all my strength to try to “change”: I went to doctors and psychologists, I sought spiritual guidance, I prayed really a lot, I even resorted to physical punishment on occasions to scare away sexual fantasies. It was a time of so much pain, despair, repression, loneliness. At the age of 26, tired of running away from my shadow, I traveled to Europe (far from everything: family, Catholic community, advised young people). And there I came out… although in a somewhat unusual way. It was the most important moment of my life. I was in Rome, staying at the General House of the Congregation, I was home alone and I went to the chapel feeling tired, without clarity about anything. There, I allowed myself for the first time to ask myself a question: “What if God isn’t asking me to ‘change’? What if God loves me just the way I am?” At that very moment, I was overcome with a feeling of absolute love, of unimaginable peace. It was a true mystical experience like I’ve never had again. For two days I felt as if intoxicated with love. For the first time in years, I was in peace. I felt His Spirit and love. When I returned to Peru, I began to tell who I really was to my family, my brothers and, above all, to each member of my Catholic community, one by one. The responses couldn’t have been more welcoming and loving. Although there was surprise in many, I found rejection in none. I remember one young counselee who told me, “You’re still my friend and my counselor.” Soon after, I dared to have my first relationship and everyone in the community met him with joy. Years have passed and I am currently in a very solid relationship with an amazing guy. He now also belongs to the Catholic fellowship I joined 45 years ago. We go to mass together every Sunday, we take communion together (I will feel very sorry for anyone who thinks I am “eating my own damnation”), pray together and share life. We can't get married because in my country there is no marriage for same-sex couples, not even civil union. But we are accepted and loved by our faith community, our families and our friends. No one sees any opposition between our faith and our sexuality. And yes, there is a contradiction here with the “official teaching of the Church”… but the teaching evolves. Not because the Truth changes, but because we have been developing ou understanding better and better for centuries, unraveling better and better the message of the Gospel. The Church is not an abstract entity, some kind of company whose COs determine norms to be followed. The Church is us. Throughout my life I have met dozens of priests who are for a welcome and accompaniment of those who belong to sexual diversity, without expecting in any way that they live in celibacy. Countless militant lay people in lay movements and parishes who think the same way. And for those who speak about "what de Lord wants", that's exactly what I've been looking for, and I feel His love with med. Let’s keep on moving forward.
The one on the right has his head screwed on, although I fear the one on the left has a long way to go (although can’t judge not least because of how at 22 years old he is still young).
Sister Helen Prejean (who wrote the book 'Dead Man Walking') which was later made into an acclaimed film) came to my University some years ago for a talk. At one point she asked the audience - if Jesus was on Earth right now and ministering, who would He be hanging around with? She said gay people. Not because they desperately needed saving, but because in her view as she explained, Jesus would feel an especial empathy for them and their struggles. How cool for a nun to have said that.
In the Philippines, where Catholicism is very much part of our daily routine, gay Catholics are very much active during church activities. They are of the design and creativity group during processions, beautifying the church, the route of the procession and the costumes. Also, many Filipino gay Catholics are very devout Marian devotees. Whenever there's a Marian procession or devotion, you can always find them there. They pray loud and proud, sometimes even in Spanish.
I was on the same boat before. Until I realized that it isn't about me. It's not about us. Nor was it ever about satisfying our human desires. We are all flawed. And conquering our flaws makes us worthy children of God. Let's not redefine our faith to suit our lifestyles. Let us not live comfortably in sin. Instead, let us rage against our worldly desires and be aflame for God! Let our hearts burn with desire for God, and God alone! It is not wrong to love. God commands us to love. But that love should be oriented towards God. Our love for each other should lead us to God, not to sin; not to hell. Our journey (life) will only lead us to our destination. There are only two choices. And we get to choose where we want to go. I am still struggling with sin. But this life is not meant to be easy. The devil is cunning. He is a deceiver. He wants to separate us from God. Our God who has loved us even before we were born. The God who has created us. The God who waits for us to come home. May God bless us all. 🙏
Thank you for the much needed discussion. I grew up Protestant and was chastised for being feminine and gay in my teenage years. So I went from having the church and my faith ripped away from me to becoming the worldliest gay ever. Then I experienced the world. It got to the point where all the emotional noise had me screaming for mercy inside. Then my best friend’s husband (Gay) started to battle Cancer. He fought a good fight even up until his final day in this world. And his death brought me peace and solace after praying the Rosary for his soul for 40 days. I now find myself devout to it even if it’s just me, by myself, to this day. All that noise is gone. It comes back due to social media and fake news, but I still come back to God and find peace in him. A whole new world is opening up for me. And it’s a spiritual enlightenment that I’ve never felt before. So there is hope! I’m still less than a year in of this newfound unbeknownst blessing. And I’m ready for it with Jesus. Thanks again! It took me almost 20 years to find Jesus had to let me go so I could find him again. I’m 39 now, so when I felt like I had nothing of substance left, I unwillingly fell into this! ❤
This video is not about searching the truth, it is more about self satisfaction. And that is spiritually dangerous. The reason of our lives is not doing what we think will make us happy. We are not in this life to satisfy our fallen desires and tendencies, but to carry our cross and live according to God’s will. Whatever cost. We are all called for chastity, in a certain way, but homosexuals are specially called to it. Don’t deceive yourselves. Once you spiritually understand this concept you will find peace.
I love this and I really do hope that your Catholic journey continues ❤ I tried very hard to reconcile catholicism with my own sexuality, but just couldn't quite get past the second class citizen within the church stigma. So, in the end I discovered the Anglo - Catholic church (Episcopalian in USA) I have had to adjust a few Catholic beliefs, but anything I have had to compromise has been overwhelmingly compensated by the welcome of both myself and my partner.
I left the Catholic church when I was about 19, so in 2007. I was attending a young adult retreat, and there was one guy at this retreat that gave a talk. It was a pretty generic talk, but at the end he said something to the effect of "Follow your heart, it cannot lead you astray." That stuck with me, and during a meditation later that day, I had my own heart-to-heart with Jesus. He said that no matter where I go, he will always be with me in my heart. I was still young and naive, but those words have stuck with me through the years. In my mind, Jesus gave me permission to be free and follow my heart that day. Has it always been easy? F*ck NO!!! But even through the worst of it, there has always been a deep inner calm in my heart. It beats alongside my heart relentlessly. A call to live my deepest inner Truth. I'm still finding it and figuring it out what it is, but this I know to be true: My heart's deepest desire is, "To live as authentically as possible". Do I have religious trauma? Yes. Have I let it hold me back from living life to the fullest. No. Am I healing? Absolutely. Will I be perfect? Only after I'm dead. My point is: My end goal has always been the same. To seek Truth. To know Truth. To live Truth. To be Truth. I like to think I'm living proof now.
I am a Catholic and I decide to have a celibate life. I respect what you do to find your path and discuss it openly. Sometimes when I feel lonely and will rewatch this video again. Thank you
@GayExTrad Though the interpretation of Catholic church is not always correct (eg for sure there is no ground to claim that priests should be single), God exists, only the church (especially religious Order) not follows God's will.
I'm curious about what your motivations are to be celibate. Also, do you find it reasonable to expect every gay person to be celibate? I (not gay) see celibacy as a personal choice and it doesn't make sense to me to expect every gay person to be celibate, while straight people are given a choice, especially because I believe that being gay is not a choice.
@@diedertspijkerboer yes, gay is not a choice, but celibacy is. I am comfortable to be celibacy so I chose it. One priest after my confession told me that even the heterosexuality are sometimes attracted by same sex. But in my case, I 100% love man. If man and woman are having sex, I don't think it is beautiful; but if two gorgeous men are making out, I feel so exciting. No one around me is gay, and I even found difficulties to make a friend, so I don't expect I can find a gay soul mate -- this life is too short for me to do so. So being single is an easier way to live and safer for me because no way to see any guarantee in this world
This is SO AMAZING. Lately, I have been questioning myself how to “bond” together being gay and Catholic. Being Catholic is hugely important to me while also being gay. Thank you so much for this video. I would love to connect with Justin or others to “guide” me a little bit more - but don’t have social media outside of LinkedIn. Thanks for sharing this video - it’s amazing.
I like your conversation and as Catholic Latino therapist I’m always open to learn from everyone talking about this important topic of faith and sexuality which I had treated and I’m not referring to any conversion therapy. Those who had come to therapy were happy to understand that they can be sexually beings and have faith.
As a gay man, with the help of God, I gave up homosexual acts years ago... It's been the hardest thing I have ever done, but God has never disappointed, He is my Father and see my heart and my desire for Him. Of course, I have fallen in the process but God has unbelievable rewards for those who lay down their lives for Him. "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."
As an ordained Episcopal Priest going on 26 years, I find your work to be healing, especially for gay Catholics trying to find their way thru the challenge of being fully authentic. I actually went thru the ordination process during the 1990s and was completely out during formation. I had considered becoming a Roman Priest, including discerning a Jesuit or diocesan path; but I decided it would not be good for me to go in that direction. During the Episcopal process, I was in a committed relationship with another man. The Anglican Communion was blowing up over this in those days (still is at some level), with pushback primarily coming from Africa and Southeast Asia but also within the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, South America, and New Zealand. The process was consequently very difficult for me and persons like me. But I'm here to witness to you and all: things do get better! Now, it's canonically a non-issue for non-celibate gay persons to enter formation for ordination to the Priesthood or the Diaconate in the Episcopal Church. I would encourage you to contemplate the Blessing of Same-Gender Relationships authorized by Pope Francis I. Yes, how it has been explained and rolled out is of-concern. However, the blessing rite itself, to even exist, states explicitly that times are changing. The old guard doesn't like change, but nothing stands in the way of God's will. There were many bigots and homophobes who didn't want for me to be ordained; but in the end, God said in effect, "no, Geoff will be ordained." And so it was. Imagine 100 years ago, that we are even speaking about this in an open forum is a step in the right direction, like you are speaking about it openly and honestly on your program. Recall the words of Julien of Norwich, "all will be well, and all manner of things will be well." But this will take time, especially in the massive, world-wide Roman Catholic Church, in which there are so many interests at play.
especially when these priests and popes tell YOU being gay is a sin all while they are sexually abusing under aged boys themselves. These people have turned religion into a scam and a cash grab more than anything else and hide behind it
But God can, and that is what maters. When you realise that your opinion and goals have no importance when it’s not according to God’s plan, you become really humble, take your cross and follow Jesus. Otherwise you are not worthy of Him.
Some good one-liners. I will go back and listen again and jot a few of them down. As a 60-ish year old, single, never partnered, and (not fully) fallen away catholic (I still hold on to the 'real presence' doctrin somehow while even thinking if J. was even real). Anyhow, all I can say it is tougher to 'date' as you grow older - young love is good love, less baggage, less finances, more time ahead of you. That being said, Justin said (paraphrasing) "it is tough navigating/finding love', it is actually 'mathematically' more challenging less of a population to choose from if 10% of the population are gay, and half of that population is cis-the-other-gender the math is working against you - so you have to bring a lot to the table and be bold earlier on. Say, YES more often. Define what you need and want, and what is acceptable at a minimum (non-smoker, not a drug addict, stable, etc.) Don't exactly look for the 10 (if it even exists), look for the 5+, and work on getting each other up to a 10, and heaven - and the people you meet on the way. It will become your journey together. Stay safe, be happy, take chances, be true to yourself and others. Note: I like how Justin said something like: When I tell God what I did with my life.
Singlehood and celibacy are not viable or even doable options for gay people.Most of us have the same need for warmth,love and companionship that straight people here.Involuntary celibacy causes depression,deep loneliness and mental decline.The need for love,emotional and physical intimacy,practical and emotional support is a fundamental human need-depriving people of it is like a slow,cruel sentence of death.
Love seeing video of you speaking with other on thier experience and spiritual journey. I hope you can get more people to interview with. Lot's of love from the Philippines 😊
Love Justin! I honestly don’t know how he does it, the level of vitriol and hatred directed to him by so called loving Catholics in his IG comment sections is off the charts. I honestly believe that for many of them being a gay affirming Catholic is seen as much worse than being a gay atheist. Kind of interesting to witness.
I'm glad you are expanding your podcasts. Was this done at your new studio you were talking about. You are a very good interviewer. I just saw your second interview on the Dragons of victory. Have you considered sort of turning the tables and interviewing Anthony from the dragons of victory on one of your shows ? Both times I had to go back and watch your interviews with him twice because there was so much interesting substance in what the two of you were talking about. Thank you for doing what you are doing. These are conversations that I have been hoping to find but have not until I discovered you and your podcasts. I can't wait to see what you have coming up next. Keep up the great work you are doing !
Braver than the marines is quite the compliment - but yes, Justin is a strong dude who's out there speaking his truth, and getting shellacked by bigots online in the process
Justin, as a young man in my 20s and a devout Catholic, I too, struggled with my Catholic Christian identity and queerness. However, I never doubted that God had a purpose for me and His love for me and that He made me the way I was as God does not make mistakes. I only asked Him of one thing and prayed vigilantly one prayer every night with my prayers that He sent me a partner of my caliber and boy did He send me someone that met my match and then some! And so I ask you as in the second letter of Timothy to “ keep fighting the good fight … and to keep the faith.”. I found him later at the university library, I’m 51 years old and have been married for quite a long time now. I’ll keep you in my prayers my friend. All my best to you God Bless! Dave😅
When I returned to the church (Traditional Latin Mass), regular attendance, daily rosary prayer, all aspects of my life improved without effort, and sexual temptation and obsession disappeared 🎉
@@terrlaw328 I remain SSA to a degree, men still capture my attention, but I have no lustful compulsion to indulge; this is a radical change from the very active lascivious and indulgent lifestyle I used to live, and again, it just fell away, I did not have the intention to change that part of me.
When we first meet Jesus, I don't think the first thing will be telling him what a wonderful life we've lived; if we're going to believe what the Bible says, it will rather be "standing before the Judgement Seat of Christ". He already knows everything about your life, and now it's time to "burn" away everything that's not of him ( = good and holy) in us. Totally redefining "suffering". The early Christians: being persecuted and killed for their faith. In this podcast: dating is "suffering". Quite typical for our time and culture.
@@GayExTrad I am not a catholic though ;-) My basic point is that what he's describing as "suffering" is not specific to gay people; so it's him that takes on that "complex".
As a gay man, I would encourage you to reflect deeply on whether the Catholic Church aligns with your values and supports your journey toward happiness. While it’s worth having open conversations with Church leaders about their stance on homosexuality, it’s also important to acknowledge that many find fulfillment and authenticity outside its structure. Exploring communities that fully embrace and affirm LGBTQ+ identities might lead to a more supportive and enriching spiritual experience.
as a gay woman, and a convert to Catholicism…. there are things higher than our own limited powers of reason. Your proposal seems almost like backwards logic. When we pursue God, we are pursuing truth, in order to align ourselves with that Truth, whose name, we find, is Jesus. If I could simply choose to believe everything that was most convenient to me, how could I know that I am following God rather than my own flawed understanding? If the Christian life, for *everyone*, queer or not, must include bearing the Cross that saves us, who am I to say the cross doesn’t happen to be in this particular matter of sexual morality? One that not only gay people feel, but also the millions of straight people who die in the midst of aching for a marriage or a relationship that never, or could not have, happened. “I don’t need a church to tell me I’m wrong where I already know I’m wrong; I need a Church to tell me I’m wrong where I think I’m right.” - G.K. Chesterton Of course I am not saying to continue participating in a church that goes against your conscience. But our consciences do need right formation, just like any other aspect of the human person. And I am not saying that people don’t experience fulfillment outside the church. But Jesus wants to give His whole self to us, not just the earthly joys!! Joy and fulfillment in this life are shadows and fractions of the life to come. Christian hope longs for and expects this future fulfillment; Jesus makes it available to us now in the ways we can physically, emotionally, and spiritually handle, through His gift of the sacraments.
Very interesting conversation. I agree that there should be a universal pastoral approach by the Church to address these issues and create structures to help, welcome, and teach how to live the Christian life and chastity. However, with all due respect, I fear that this absence does not justify distorting the teachings of the Church, much less the Bible, which are older, to adapt them to a situation and attempt to justify them with what psychology supposedly says. I know it’s difficult, but we cannot negotiate with the truth, and it is very dangerous to start from the point of interpreting what God is, what I experience, or what I understand makes me happy. That is a completely Protestant criterion, and that’s why there are thousands of churches. Following that same logic, divorced and remarried individuals would feel free to take Communion, or why get married if I feel good and happy as I am? It is a very, very dangerous path. God bless you."
While I ultimately believe the Catholic Church will never truly, fully, affirmingly make space for queer people, I fully respect you and Justin for having this conversation. While I (cishet ally) have gone fully ex-Catholic and personally believe the Church deserves to be abandoned, I get that faith and humans are complicated, and we all need to find what works for us.
I'm with you, Emma - I've fully left religion. And as you pointed out, these conversations with progressive catholics are incredibly helpful for those who want to maintain their queer and religious identities
Very inspiring to see a couple of young men taking up this important topic with depth, commitment and maturity. Please continue to set this needed example for many in our community. God bless you both!
It is more progress than I could have hoped for in my life that the topic is even discussed publicly. For me, coming out has been a very long process, not an event. It still is not perfect or total, but certainly light years from the padlocked closeted existence of my troubled youth. Best to both of you beautiful boys. God's love is unimaginable, and sadly, His church often gives him very poor P.R.
An important point is raised in the video as to the fact that little to no church teaching has been brought forth on the topic of sexuality, despite its relevance. The question arises, why has the Catholic Church been silent, or near silent on the topic? Some might take this silence as condemnation of homosexuality. However, couldn't the same point be made in reverse? There are numerous Protestant denominations who have been far more outspoken against homosexuality with statement after statement after statement of the strongest condemnation from their church leaders. Why is this voice of condemnation so much quieter or far less frequent in their response to the topic of homosexuality in the Catholic Church?
If you’re guiding principle is not love for Christ and obedience to him and his church, then you’ve lost the thread, no matter what false pretenses you spout about following the magisterium. To admit that you fall into sin and disorder is not that dreadful of a thing, the dreadful thing is insisting that sin is not sin and disorder is order. Every day, all of us fail in small or big ways to live up to the good truth and beauty of our faith and of our Lord, to do so is part of our fallen nature, but the point of falling is to get back up and try again, not to insist that the ground is an illusion.
@@GayExTrad To be Catholic is to accept the incredible idea that something else in this world is wiser than you are. Saying the magisterium is wrong because the church is corrupt is a copout and not a very intelligent one at that, it is like saying you don’t have to pay your taxes because the US government has done horrible things, only instead of the laws of men and the IRS being what you have to contend with, you have to contend with the logos and the will of the Almighty. If you wish to marry the spirit of the age and soon become a widower, you’re welcome to do so though I would advise against it, however perhaps you should cease trying to drag others down to the depths of predation with you?
@@GayExTrad If you think the magisterium is wrong because there’s corruption in the church, then stop calling yourself catholic, you can’t go around, saying I’m Catholic and then reject church teaching if it doesn’t suit whatever lifestyle you’ve chosen for yourself, to be Catholic is to accept the extraordinary idea that something in this world is wiser than you are. I find it interesting how all of these folks who talk about “building bridges” with a certain community seem to think that the issue is long established, consistent, and well reason, church teaching, rather than the idea that maybe we should do as Christ asks of us, repent, and sin no more. It’s almost like its just an extremely thinly veiled Trojan horse for modernists and worse groups to introduce error and heresy into the church, you know because that’s exactly what it is.
„He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.“ (Matthew 10:37-40)
I believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary and I am so enamoured with Roman Catholic piety and religiosity. To me that is more important than the sexuality because the Blessed Trinity is inherent in all human conscience. ♥️
@ I believe that the Holy Trinity made humans in his own image and likeness and we possess a small part of divinity in our Mind and Soul, which guides our Free Will and conscience. Being Gay is a non-issue for me as long as we worship Jesus Christ and the Blessed Mother who is the replacement of Adam + Eve according to Traditionalist Catholic theology.
@@GayExTrad excuse me ☝️ if you demand for the Catholic Church to affirm queer identities unconditionally then why do you sound annoyed when a someone of Catholic faith is talking about God and the trinity. Can we put away the double standards for these kinds of discussions please?
TRUE. Self-negation is a crucial element of catholicism as it was demanded by the Lord HIMSELF. Sexual Problems do Not affect homosexual people only. The Position of the Church about sexual deviations is clear: they Are SIN, sometimes a Crime, but NOT a shame. If You Read the genealogies of the Lord in the Gospels, they Are Full of prostitution, adultery and crime: He came to Save, to heal, Not to condemn. But SIN IS SIN notwithstanding.
This might be off topic but can you tell me the name of the religious cult you joined and then left? The reason I ask is because someone I know is set to join the discalced Carmelite hermits in PA. He is 19. Can you give me the details of this group and your experience with them?
10 years ago, I would have LOVED seeing this video. Sadly, there was nothing like it. I had to come to terms with my sexuality by my own despite the shame and fear. Creating a community for catholics is a contribution incredibly needed at this moment. Thanks for sharing
God is understood in various ways in various religions. Sex is viewed as an honest part of life where people can have fun in life as part of a religious husband and wife in Hinduism. That is not the attitude in the Catholic church.
I'm curious as to whether or not many, if any, gay catholic people would let themselves be open to a life with a non-catholic or non-religious person or is it a strict matter of following the, "Do not be unequally yoked" idea.
I was religious when I first came out (Mormon not Catholic) and my partner is atheist. I was always taught that kind of relationship would never work, but we have done great.
As a gay former Catholic and seminarian, I left the church many years ago and am a happy agnostic. Funny questions for an church where more than half the clergy are closeted gays.....lol
I'm seriously interested in joining the Catholic Church, but even though I'm not gay, I find its stance on gay relationships very problematic and sometimes even disturbing.
@GayExTrad I'm not convinced of that right now. I do think that there are some serious problems. One can choose to work on those from the inside, though. I see Catholicism as a big ship that doesn't turn easily. Note that I'm not gay, so they're not asking the impossible from me personally.
@@Liam-c4s2v I like Anglicanism, but there's no church near me that I can go to. I'm also interested in Eastern Orthodoxy, even though they seem to be even more conservative. I expect that my eventual choice will have to be pragmatic at least in part. My current view is that all denominations probably have flaws. We're all human after all.
@@diedertspijkerboer That’s right about every denomination having flaws. My advice based on your situation geographically is still to consider which denomination makes the most theological sense to you and not feel you have to compromise on that in your head. And then perhaps attend a church near you where your soul is fed, even if it’s not your ideal denomination. You can still always attend a Catholic Church for the liturgy and community and disagree with certain dogmas. I’m from the UK so I’m fortunate to have Anglican churches around me, my local one is high church, inclusive and open to different views.
Thanks for your sincere sharing. Unfortunately, your questions are all humanistic. You should ask God centric questions and see the difference. Your answer to who is God should be about what He says about Himself in the Bible, not giving Him the attributes you WANT Him to have...in effect making up your own Jesus. Human psychology studies are irrelevant...humanism to the max. Instead of asking what life you want to give to God you need to ask "what life does God want me to lead for His glory?" Those answers are dramatically different. Praying for both of you as I believe you both sincerely have a desire to know and live for God.
Thanks for watching! Yes, these questions are definitely humanistic. I prefer questions that way, because we don't have any solid or investigable way to investigate what a divine agent may want to communicate, let alone of they exist or have the capacity to communicate an imperative.
@GayExTrad God clearly speaks in the Bible. The problem is we don't often like what He says so we say it "isn't clear" when actually it's crystal clear. I find myself often wanting to trust my rational intellect rather than the Bible. The Bible tells us that it contains ALL we need for life and Godliness (2 Peter 1.3) Of course, God instructs us not to lean on our own (humanistic) understanding (Proverbs 3.5) but instead to completely trust Him.
The idea of “getting to heaven” was mentioned. This deserves more discussion. Being spiritual beings we are all going to survive the change called death with our same mind, character, personality and a spiritual body. The physical body disintegrates where it is recycled into something else. People who are near death report seeing, hearing and feeling deceased relatives, angels and others. There will be someone who will great us when we make that change called death and we find ourselves back home in the Spirit World. Most Christians do not realize that when Moses and Elias appeared materialized on the mount of transfiguration Jesus was a medium who held a séance. The spirit guide, Evening Star, told us in a seance, “What is Heaven for one person is Hell for another.” She cited the example of listening to rock n roll music. Some people listening to hard rock would be in Heaven, while others would be in Hell. We need to realize that people are different and their idea of heaven and hell are going to be different and change over time. When we were young getting a toy made us happy, later in life we want something different. Heaven and hell are mental and emotional states of consciousness that we experience on Earth and in the Spirit World. Rod McKuen would say words similar to the following at the end of every act. “It does not matter who you love or how you love, but that you love. The good in man is God made manifest and loving is the contribution to that good and to that only God. For in the end the act of loving anyone is the act of loving God.”
@@GayExTrad So, when you have a stroke and one part of your brain is damaged, you loose the ability to walk. A different stroke and you loose the ability to speak. Yet a different stroke and you loose the ability think. Then you die and the entire brain is damaged and you float off, personality intact, with the same mind and the same character. Religion has nothing to do with the hereafter. It has to do with what some people have to believe to get through the HERE.
Sadly, the basic theological perspective of 'reward and punishment' makes any idea of a totally inclusive and loving God impossible. The whole set up is rigged into a 'win/lose' scenario for everyone. That is not a religion that I want any part of.
I am gay. I left the Catholic Church many years ago. I am an Episcopalian now. I love the Episcopal Church. It is so accepting of gay people. We have same-sex marriage, openly gay priests, etc. I strongly urge anyone interested to give this wonderful church a try.
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Catholic teaching come from Aquinas...........the end does not justify the means. So, how much good the gay relationship produces the end is not justified. As a Catholic I think we must question NON GAY theology and Philosophy . We must. God bless.
I genuinely don't like abrahamic religions. It stem from an area of the world where violence were a common occur ancestors, oppressive control were a common accournace due to kings and tribes, amd they do have oppressive ways of thinking that few other religions outside the abrahamic trifecta has. Tbh it wouldn't of had spread without the war fare. Christians across Europe and teh America's spread through war and conquest, islam across north Africa and Middle East, and Judiasm is the only one that didn't spread much through war. I think the real discussion is that are we really considering the abrahamic religions that shaped our ancestral minds and culture through force or aquesition of following power or can we do away with such book and ideology and go back tonthe basics in actually following what makes our lives truly better
Coming from a Mormon background, I had a very similar experience religious wise! Very grateful gor my journey, I still maintain a strong relationship with God, but no longer feel the burden to listen to the middle man. You can learn great things from church, but a true relationship with Diety comes from within. 🩵 Great video!
1 Corinthians 9 never said homosexuality was a sin until after 1946 with the new revised version. Even the translation from original Greek text doesn’t. Bible translations mattter.
The true original texts said a man shall not lie with an adolescent boy….it DIDNT say man. You have to think of how things were in Biblical times and back then men would sleep with young males “to teach them how to perform in the bedroom.” However, the term used in the original text was changed as if it were speaking of it being a sin for two men.
That's.... not true. The Greek word used is arsenokoitai, which literally means "men-bed", and it's a reference to Leviticus 18:11 which condemns homosexuality.
So many Christians I listen to, like here, seem to require a guidebook by which to live their lives. There is something to be said for using one's own inner guidance to make decisions in life, without having a religious rule-book defining every step you make, isn't there? I left Catholicism as a college student over 40 years ago, never looked back, and have had a full and spiritual life without Catholic doctrine defining my every footstep. It takes courage in oneself to listen and trust what can truly prompt one towards fulfillment. I know there are many other benefits to religion than the rules, but those benefits seem to be much more accessible once the rule-book is discarded.
This may hurt you, but that is not what I intend, just consider other points of view and think for yourselves --> You are free to believe whatever you want, but you can't go around the Bible and Church teaching. It's either Christ or the World, you can't make both things fit in, it's either one or the other. You can't serve two masters at once. It requires picking up the Cross and denying one's desires, just because I feel the urge to go and sleep with women doesn't mean I must go and scratch the itch. Everyone has his struggle, the worst thing you could do is lying to people and telling them it's Ok. What is the next video going to be: polygamist Catholics? Also, not having children isn't a part o marriage by the way, intentionally childless marriage and contraception wasn't intended by God. Still, God's love is for everyone but it requires accepting Him and His Holy Law! And He can only be found in His Holy Orthodox Church ☦, unlike the imposter and liar pope Francis is.
"you can't go around the bye bol" I beg to differ. You definitely can. That's why not even people from the same faith can agree on the interpretation. As the institutions that once held monopoly over faith fractured, new sects appeared, each one claiming to be the one and only truth. Even you are going around the bible right now, when you worry more about the speck of dust in your brother's eye, rather than the splinter in your eye. Even though you commit sin every day and get away with it, you still feel the need to distill poison to other sinners, disguised as faith.
@@Captain_Autismothis might be mind blowing for you. Think of how you feel about women...now imagine you feel that way about men. And BAM you understand 😉
it's always tough to figure out how much processing I should do - in this case, the cuts make the conversation shorter by about 6 minutes and allows reaching more people
This was a great interview. And I’m pretty sure your struggle with your sexuality and the Catholic faith is not an easy one. I will start by saying that the church was made for man and not man for the church. I’m not sure that I’m the one that’s qualified to say anything here, but I will say that the marriage covenant is between a man and a woman because it comes with a command to be fruitful and multiply. Same sex couples cannot achieve that through natural means. And just like single straight people you’re called to a life of Chastity and celibacy. I don’t think the church expects you to live your life alone. I don’t think the church has a problem with you having a companion, but you would still have to be chaste and celibate. The church will not go against your free will, God will not go against your free will. but at the same time, I understand that God doesn’t change and neither does his laws. Sometimes we have to pray for certain things to be removed from us. Sometimes we have to pray for understanding. I would say surround yourself with people that try to understand you with love in their hearts and to guide you in the right direction.There’s a difference between criticism and correction criticism is not always going to help you. Anyway, feel free to ask me questions if you like. God bless you both.
Christianity is about your character, you dont have to be in church to be a Christian, Jesus loves everyone and he wants us to live happy lives not causing harm or sadness to anyone. Other Christians who think you are wronged Because of your sexuality should have God to content with. You don't have to beg the church or anyone for acceptance. Dont fake your life for anyone, it's traumatising.
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Whenever I think about these things, I remember my best friend telling me he was gay and being so afraid to lose me as a friend. I don't want anyone to go through that kind of rejection, not from people and not from any church.
Yesssss
I am now an old man, born 1936. In my hometown I guessed to be the only gay person. I had the chance of meeting a wonderful girl, very attractive, intelligent, good character and prepared to try together the most extravagant things, as emigrating to the Amazonian forests . She was a perfect match. Then there was thiat same sex attraction and I dropped the relation without coming out. I made quite an impressive business career but fell in the trap of wild gay life in Paris and later San Francisco, with sex parties and drugs. I went through hell! It was very difficult to get out of this scene ! In California I met a highly cultivated man, son of a well to do upper class family and very catholic. Without any egoistic intentions he helped me to get free and convinced me to attend mass. He was one of the best persons I have ever met in my life. Now I am living since nearly 40 years with the same partner. We go to mass every Sunday and thank God for a fulfilled life and that we have one another..
its wonderful to see that
@@JorgeStein-q6h sorry a little confused-is your partner that highly cultivated man or did you meet someone else?
Wow, that's so awesome!! I love that for you
And you love as brothers.
So happy for you! The wild promiscuous gay sex can be very destructive-I know! May God give you both peace and happiness!
A word of caution to my young brothers out there. As a gay man pushing 60, I've been hurt, kicked around, mistreated and used my entire life by gay men. So much so that Jesus and the church have become my refuge. I wish I had dedicated more of my youth to the Lord. Live your life wisely! The gay world does not look kindly upon old men and looks even less kindly upon broke old men. Sometimes the church, like a loving parent knows better. No matter how sinful you are always maintain friendship with Jesus.
It’s the same for me. For any Gay person in the church who thinks they are going to find a good catholic gay man to build a ‘family’ with doesn’t understand the scripture that says; For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
He wants to serve God the way that suits himself but not God. He is not going to be catholic for long. The way I see it is this. If I spend my life here on earth doing my best to live a chaste life as a gay catholic I can have the whole of eternity with Jesus. Even if I live a 1000yrs that is nothing compared to eternity. So I will try my best to not engage in homosexual activities. And if I slip then I am so very grateful I have confession to fall back on. Thank you Jesus. And Jesus please help these two men who need your grace and guidance, just like I still do. Amen 🙏🏽
@@allforyouii2 What is your advice to all those divorced people who marry again? Are they all going to hell for eternity?
I’m so sorry to hear that you’ve been reared horribly by gay men! That is completely unacceptable and I wish you only the best in your journey.
@@GayExTrad was wasn't reared by gay men.
I'm a gay man and I had the exact opposite experience, I am now an athiest because of my mistreatment by christianity
I found peace as a gay man. I left the church and religion altogether. Best decision I ever made.
Leaving the Church means leaving Jesus of Nazareth! Is it worth it?
I defected from the Church to join Buddhism. Humans are religious and I am so happy to be a gay man in a religion that accepts reality. Leaving Christianity was the best decision I ever made.
@@kitiowayep. Leaving Christianity is so freeing ❤
So happy for you!
Just don't leave the Father. He doesn't care who or what we are. Best to you.
60 years old Peruvian here. Several elements of your story remind me of my own, though the ecclesial experience “after” has important differences. We all know that in general U.S. Catholics are extremely conservative and traditional, but nevertheless I was impressed to hear some things in your story.
I joined a Catholic community (not a parish, but a non-territorial community where young people from all over the city participated) when I was 15 years old. There I received theological and spiritual formation, participated in all kinds of catechesis and social volunteering for years, was an advisor to youth groups, etc. I am still involved, by the way. And since the mid-1990s, I became a member of the secular branch of a religious congregation of which I have been national coordinator several times.
When I was 18 years old, I became aware of my orientation, it was a very hard moment, traumatic in fact, and I lived it first as “a test from God”, so the next eight years of my life I fought with all my strength to try to “change”: I went to doctors and psychologists, I sought spiritual guidance, I prayed really a lot, I even resorted to physical punishment on occasions to scare away sexual fantasies. It was a time of so much pain, despair, repression, loneliness.
At the age of 26, tired of running away from my shadow, I traveled to Europe (far from everything: family, Catholic community, advised young people). And there I came out… although in a somewhat unusual way. It was the most important moment of my life. I was in Rome, staying at the General House of the Congregation, I was home alone and I went to the chapel feeling tired, without clarity about anything. There, I allowed myself for the first time to ask myself a question: “What if God isn’t asking me to ‘change’? What if God loves me just the way I am?” At that very moment, I was overcome with a feeling of absolute love, of unimaginable peace. It was a true mystical experience like I’ve never had again. For two days I felt as if intoxicated with love. For the first time in years, I was in peace. I felt His Spirit and love. When I returned to Peru, I began to tell who I really was to my family, my brothers and, above all, to each member of my Catholic community, one by one. The responses couldn’t have been more welcoming and loving. Although there was surprise in many, I found rejection in none. I remember one young counselee who told me, “You’re still my friend and my counselor.” Soon after, I dared to have my first relationship and everyone in the community met him with joy.
Years have passed and I am currently in a very solid relationship with an amazing guy. He now also belongs to the Catholic fellowship I joined 45 years ago. We go to mass together every Sunday, we take communion together (I will feel very sorry for anyone who thinks I am “eating my own damnation”), pray together and share life. We can't get married because in my country there is no marriage for same-sex couples, not even civil union. But we are accepted and loved by our faith community, our families and our friends. No one sees any opposition between our faith and our sexuality.
And yes, there is a contradiction here with the “official teaching of the Church”… but the teaching evolves. Not because the Truth changes, but because we have been developing ou understanding better and better for centuries, unraveling better and better the message of the Gospel. The Church is not an abstract entity, some kind of company whose COs determine norms to be followed. The Church is us. Throughout my life I have met dozens of priests who are for a welcome and accompaniment of those who belong to sexual diversity, without expecting in any way that they live in celibacy. Countless militant lay people in lay movements and parishes who think the same way. And for those who speak about "what de Lord wants", that's exactly what I've been looking for, and I feel His love with med. Let’s keep on moving forward.
this is awesome and you have no idea how long I have been waiting for this
So glad that you're enjoying it!!
Thank you so much for this video, it's nice to know I'm not the only gay Christian out here
🙏🙏🙏
There are many nowadays 😊
In a support group environment I was a mediator in a Catholic church between a group of men. This is huge and insightful.
hmm?
I have been a priest for over 40 years and this is the firt video that maes perfect sense and isa great encouragement and guide for people. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed!
As a former cleric I agree with you 100%.
The one on the right has his head screwed on, although I fear the one on the left has a long way to go (although can’t judge not least because of how at 22 years old he is still young).
Are you literate?
Sister Helen Prejean (who wrote the book 'Dead Man Walking') which was later made into an acclaimed film) came to my University some years ago for a talk. At one point she asked the audience - if Jesus was on Earth right now and ministering, who would He be hanging around with? She said gay people. Not because they desperately needed saving, but because in her view as she explained, Jesus would feel an especial empathy for them and their struggles. How cool for a nun to have said that.
Loooooove that
She is wrong.
This was well-timed as I just came out to one of my friends last night. And we kind of had a similar conversation like this.
So happy for you!!
In the Philippines, where Catholicism is very much part of our daily routine, gay Catholics are very much active during church activities. They are of the design and creativity group during processions, beautifying the church, the route of the procession and the costumes. Also, many Filipino gay Catholics are very devout Marian devotees. Whenever there's a Marian procession or devotion, you can always find them there. They pray loud and proud, sometimes even in Spanish.
Very cool!!
Absolutely true!
I was on the same boat before. Until I realized that it isn't about me. It's not about us. Nor was it ever about satisfying our human desires.
We are all flawed. And conquering our flaws makes us worthy children of God. Let's not redefine our faith to suit our lifestyles. Let us not live comfortably in sin. Instead, let us rage against our worldly desires and be aflame for God! Let our hearts burn with desire for God, and God alone!
It is not wrong to love. God commands us to love. But that love should be oriented towards God. Our love for each other should lead us to God, not to sin; not to hell.
Our journey (life) will only lead us to our destination. There are only two choices. And we get to choose where we want to go.
I am still struggling with sin. But this life is not meant to be easy.
The devil is cunning. He is a deceiver. He wants to separate us from God. Our God who has loved us even before we were born. The God who has created us. The God who waits for us to come home.
May God bless us all. 🙏
naw, I'm good fam
You strike me as one of those weirdos who's 'in love' with Jesus 😅
Thank you for the much needed discussion. I grew up Protestant and was chastised for being feminine and gay in my teenage years. So I went from having the church and my faith ripped away from me to becoming the worldliest gay ever. Then I experienced the world. It got to the point where all the emotional noise had me screaming for mercy inside. Then my best friend’s husband (Gay) started to battle Cancer. He fought a good fight even up until his final day in this world. And his death brought me peace and solace after praying the Rosary for his soul for 40 days. I now find myself devout to it even if it’s just me, by myself, to this day. All that noise is gone. It comes back due to social media and fake news, but I still come back to God and find peace in him. A whole new world is opening up for me. And it’s a spiritual enlightenment that I’ve never felt before. So there is hope! I’m still less than a year in of this newfound unbeknownst blessing. And I’m ready for it with Jesus. Thanks again! It took me almost 20 years to find Jesus had to let me go so I could find him again. I’m 39 now, so when I felt like I had nothing of substance left, I unwillingly fell into this! ❤
This video is not about searching the truth, it is more about self satisfaction. And that is spiritually dangerous. The reason of our lives is not doing what we think will make us happy. We are not in this life to satisfy our fallen desires and tendencies, but to carry our cross and live according to God’s will. Whatever cost. We are all called for chastity, in a certain way, but homosexuals are specially called to it. Don’t deceive yourselves. Once you spiritually understand this concept you will find peace.
blah blah blah
"And that is spiritually dangerous"
Spirituality is dangerous in itself. And now?
Paul wasn’t in favor in forcing chastity on others
Sounds like you are the one being deceived and unable to find peace Luis 😂
An incredible episode. I am getting so much confirmation of my own journey of reconciling my Catholic faith and my sexuality. Thank you.
I love this and I really do hope that your Catholic journey continues ❤ I tried very hard to reconcile catholicism with my own sexuality, but just couldn't quite get past the second class citizen within the church stigma. So, in the end I discovered the Anglo - Catholic church (Episcopalian in USA) I have had to adjust a few Catholic beliefs, but anything I have had to compromise has been overwhelmingly compensated by the welcome of both myself and my partner.
I left the Catholic church when I was about 19, so in 2007. I was attending a young adult retreat, and there was one guy at this retreat that gave a talk. It was a pretty generic talk, but at the end he said something to the effect of "Follow your heart, it cannot lead you astray." That stuck with me, and during a meditation later that day, I had my own heart-to-heart with Jesus. He said that no matter where I go, he will always be with me in my heart. I was still young and naive, but those words have stuck with me through the years. In my mind, Jesus gave me permission to be free and follow my heart that day. Has it always been easy? F*ck NO!!! But even through the worst of it, there has always been a deep inner calm in my heart. It beats alongside my heart relentlessly. A call to live my deepest inner Truth. I'm still finding it and figuring it out what it is, but this I know to be true: My heart's deepest desire is, "To live as authentically as possible".
Do I have religious trauma? Yes. Have I let it hold me back from living life to the fullest. No. Am I healing? Absolutely. Will I be perfect? Only after I'm dead.
My point is: My end goal has always been the same. To seek Truth. To know Truth. To live Truth. To be Truth.
I like to think I'm living proof now.
Thanks for sharing!
I am a Catholic and I decide to have a celibate life. I respect what you do to find your path and discuss it openly. Sometimes when I feel lonely and will rewatch this video again. Thank you
So thankful to have you listening - wishing you the best on your journey!
@GayExTrad Though the interpretation of Catholic church is not always correct (eg for sure there is no ground to claim that priests should be single), God exists, only the church (especially religious Order) not follows God's will.
I'm curious about what your motivations are to be celibate.
Also, do you find it reasonable to expect every gay person to be celibate?
I (not gay) see celibacy as a personal choice and it doesn't make sense to me to expect every gay person to be celibate, while straight people are given a choice, especially because I believe that being gay is not a choice.
@@diedertspijkerboer yes, gay is not a choice, but celibacy is. I am comfortable to be celibacy so I chose it. One priest after my confession told me that even the heterosexuality are sometimes attracted by same sex. But in my case, I 100% love man. If man and woman are having sex, I don't think it is beautiful; but if two gorgeous men are making out, I feel so exciting. No one around me is gay, and I even found difficulties to make a friend, so I don't expect I can find a gay soul mate -- this life is too short for me to do so. So being single is an easier way to live and safer for me because no way to see any guarantee in this world
This is SO AMAZING. Lately, I have been questioning myself how to “bond” together being gay and Catholic. Being Catholic is hugely important to me while also being gay. Thank you so much for this video. I would love to connect with Justin or others to “guide” me a little bit more - but don’t have social media outside of LinkedIn. Thanks for sharing this video - it’s amazing.
Thanks for watching! You might enjoy my active discord community to ask for advice/thoughts
I like your conversation and as Catholic Latino therapist I’m always open to learn from everyone talking about this important topic of faith and sexuality which I had treated and I’m not referring to any conversion therapy. Those who had come to therapy were happy to understand that they can be sexually beings and have faith.
That's awesome!
As a gay man, with the help of God, I gave up homosexual acts years ago... It's been the hardest thing I have ever done, but God has never disappointed, He is my Father and see my heart and my desire for Him. Of course, I have fallen in the process but God has unbelievable rewards for those who lay down their lives for Him.
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."
Very based
That's funny, God introduced me to my husband 😂
As an ordained Episcopal Priest going on 26 years, I find your work to be healing, especially for gay Catholics trying to find their way thru the challenge of being fully authentic. I actually went thru the ordination process during the 1990s and was completely out during formation. I had considered becoming a Roman Priest, including discerning a Jesuit or diocesan path; but I decided it would not be good for me to go in that direction. During the Episcopal process, I was in a committed relationship with another man. The Anglican Communion was blowing up over this in those days (still is at some level), with pushback primarily coming from Africa and Southeast Asia but also within the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, South America, and New Zealand. The process was consequently very difficult for me and persons like me. But I'm here to witness to you and all: things do get better! Now, it's canonically a non-issue for non-celibate gay persons to enter formation for ordination to the Priesthood or the Diaconate in the Episcopal Church. I would encourage you to contemplate the Blessing of Same-Gender Relationships authorized by Pope Francis I. Yes, how it has been explained and rolled out is of-concern. However, the blessing rite itself, to even exist, states explicitly that times are changing. The old guard doesn't like change, but nothing stands in the way of God's will. There were many bigots and homophobes who didn't want for me to be ordained; but in the end, God said in effect, "no, Geoff will be ordained." And so it was. Imagine 100 years ago, that we are even speaking about this in an open forum is a step in the right direction, like you are speaking about it openly and honestly on your program. Recall the words of Julien of Norwich, "all will be well, and all manner of things will be well." But this will take time, especially in the massive, world-wide Roman Catholic Church, in which there are so many interests at play.
No one, no priest, no pope, no king, no one, can tell me who I can or cannot love.
@@joekeller5067 true
say it louder for folks in the back!
@@joekeller5067 if that were true Chrst wouldn’t have said those who divorce and marry another commit adultery.
especially when these priests and popes tell YOU being gay is a sin all while they are sexually abusing under aged boys themselves. These people have turned religion into a scam and a cash grab more than anything else and hide behind it
But God can, and that is what maters. When you realise that your opinion and goals have no importance when it’s not according to God’s plan, you become really humble, take your cross and follow Jesus. Otherwise you are not worthy of Him.
Some good one-liners. I will go back and listen again and jot a few of them down. As a 60-ish year old, single, never partnered, and (not fully) fallen away catholic (I still hold on to the 'real presence' doctrin somehow while even thinking if J. was even real). Anyhow, all I can say it is tougher to 'date' as you grow older - young love is good love, less baggage, less finances, more time ahead of you. That being said, Justin said (paraphrasing) "it is tough navigating/finding love', it is actually 'mathematically' more challenging less of a population to choose from if 10% of the population are gay, and half of that population is cis-the-other-gender the math is working against you - so you have to bring a lot to the table and be bold earlier on. Say, YES more often. Define what you need and want, and what is acceptable at a minimum (non-smoker, not a drug addict, stable, etc.) Don't exactly look for the 10 (if it even exists), look for the 5+, and work on getting each other up to a 10, and heaven - and the people you meet on the way. It will become your journey together. Stay safe, be happy, take chances, be true to yourself and others.
Note: I like how Justin said something like: When I tell God what I did with my life.
Love it!
@@df29208 this was great, great advice.
Thanks! Very interesting interview. 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Singlehood and celibacy are not viable or even doable options for gay people.Most of us have the same need for warmth,love and companionship that straight people here.Involuntary celibacy causes depression,deep loneliness and mental decline.The need for love,emotional and physical intimacy,practical and emotional support is a fundamental human need-depriving people of it is like a slow,cruel sentence of death.
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Great and very thought-provoking video. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love seeing video of you speaking with other on thier experience and spiritual journey. I hope you can get more people to interview with. Lot's of love from the Philippines 😊
Yes - please checkout my second channel: intrinsically ordered. I have many interviews with folks who are still religious
Love Justin! I honestly don’t know how he does it, the level of vitriol and hatred directed to him by so called loving Catholics in his IG comment sections is off the charts. I honestly believe that for many of them being a gay affirming Catholic is seen as much worse than being a gay atheist. Kind of interesting to witness.
Yeah, Justin practices a lot of strength in pushing through so much hate online. Terminally online catholics are so terrible to deal with
I am a gay-celibate-Catholic-Christian. A convert. I LOVE my faith.
I am very happy and at peace.
I'm glad you are expanding your podcasts. Was this done at your new studio you were talking about. You are a very good interviewer. I just saw your second interview on the Dragons of victory. Have you considered sort of turning the tables and interviewing Anthony from the dragons of victory on one of your shows ? Both times I had to go back and watch your interviews with him twice because there was so much interesting substance in what the two of you were talking about. Thank you for doing what you are doing. These are conversations that I have been hoping to find but have not until I discovered you and your podcasts. I can't wait to see what you have coming up next. Keep up the great work you are doing !
Definitely an idea that I've had! Anthony is great
I saw that guy on insta, damn he gets so much hate in the comments, braver than the marines
Braver than the marines is quite the compliment - but yes, Justin is a strong dude who's out there speaking his truth, and getting shellacked by bigots online in the process
Justin, as a young man in my 20s and a devout Catholic, I too, struggled with my Catholic Christian identity and queerness. However, I never doubted that God had a purpose for me and His love for me and that He made me the way I was as God does not make mistakes. I only asked Him of one thing and prayed vigilantly one prayer every night with my prayers that He sent me a partner of my caliber and boy did He send me someone that met my match and then some! And so I ask you as in the second letter of Timothy to “ keep fighting the good fight … and to keep the faith.”.
I found him later at the university library, I’m 51 years old and have been married for quite a long time now. I’ll keep you in my prayers my friend. All my best to you God Bless! Dave😅
I'll pass this on to Justin :)
Thank you for this conversation.
🙏🙏🙏
When I returned to the church (Traditional Latin Mass), regular attendance, daily rosary prayer, all aspects of my life improved without effort, and sexual temptation and obsession disappeared 🎉
How long ago was that?
@@GayExTrad February 2022
I think you mean to say that you suppressed them temporarily. Been there, none that. You cannot deny your true nature.
@@terrlaw328 I remain SSA to a degree, men still capture my attention, but I have no lustful compulsion to indulge; this is a radical change from the very active lascivious and indulgent lifestyle I used to live, and again, it just fell away, I did not have the intention to change that part of me.
@@terrlaw328 You haven't been nor done where he is. That's such a played out phrase. Nature is more than sexuality and its idolization.
When we first meet Jesus, I don't think the first thing will be telling him what a wonderful life we've lived; if we're going to believe what the Bible says, it will rather be "standing before the Judgement Seat of Christ". He already knows everything about your life, and now it's time to "burn" away everything that's not of him ( = good and holy) in us.
Totally redefining "suffering". The early Christians: being persecuted and killed for their faith. In this podcast: dating is "suffering". Quite typical for our time and culture.
bruh, what is with catholics and martyrdom/suffering complexes
@@GayExTrad I am not a catholic though ;-) My basic point is that what he's describing as "suffering" is not specific to gay people; so it's him that takes on that "complex".
As a gay man, I would encourage you to reflect deeply on whether the Catholic Church aligns with your values and supports your journey toward happiness. While it’s worth having open conversations with Church leaders about their stance on homosexuality, it’s also important to acknowledge that many find fulfillment and authenticity outside its structure. Exploring communities that fully embrace and affirm LGBTQ+ identities might lead to a more supportive and enriching spiritual experience.
I fully agree - I've left all together but wanted to post this interview to help folks still wrestling from within the church
as a gay woman, and a convert to Catholicism…. there are things higher than our own limited powers of reason. Your proposal seems almost like backwards logic. When we pursue God, we are pursuing truth, in order to align ourselves with that Truth, whose name, we find, is Jesus. If I could simply choose to believe everything that was most convenient to me, how could I know that I am following God rather than my own flawed understanding? If the Christian life, for *everyone*, queer or not, must include bearing the Cross that saves us, who am I to say the cross doesn’t happen to be in this particular matter of sexual morality? One that not only gay people feel, but also the millions of straight people who die in the midst of aching for a marriage or a relationship that never, or could not have, happened.
“I don’t need a church to tell me I’m wrong where I already know I’m wrong; I need a Church to tell me I’m wrong where I think I’m right.” - G.K. Chesterton
Of course I am not saying to continue participating in a church that goes against your conscience. But our consciences do need right formation, just like any other aspect of the human person. And I am not saying that people don’t experience fulfillment outside the church. But Jesus wants to give His whole self to us, not just the earthly joys!! Joy and fulfillment in this life are shadows and fractions of the life to come. Christian hope longs for and expects this future fulfillment; Jesus makes it available to us now in the ways we can physically, emotionally, and spiritually handle, through His gift of the sacraments.
Very interesting conversation. I agree that there should be a universal pastoral approach by the Church to address these issues and create structures to help, welcome, and teach how to live the Christian life and chastity. However, with all due respect, I fear that this absence does not justify distorting the teachings of the Church, much less the Bible, which are older, to adapt them to a situation and attempt to justify them with what psychology supposedly says. I know it’s difficult, but we cannot negotiate with the truth, and it is very dangerous to start from the point of interpreting what God is, what I experience, or what I understand makes me happy. That is a completely Protestant criterion, and that’s why there are thousands of churches. Following that same logic, divorced and remarried individuals would feel free to take Communion, or why get married if I feel good and happy as I am? It is a very, very dangerous path. God bless you."
Quid est veritas?
Excellent discussion!
Glad you enjoyed!
Justin and I were at the same campus ministry when he was a missionary! Hi Justin, let's catch up soon! :)
What a small world!
While I ultimately believe the Catholic Church will never truly, fully, affirmingly make space for queer people, I fully respect you and Justin for having this conversation. While I (cishet ally) have gone fully ex-Catholic and personally believe the Church deserves to be abandoned, I get that faith and humans are complicated, and we all need to find what works for us.
I'm with you, Emma - I've fully left religion. And as you pointed out, these conversations with progressive catholics are incredibly helpful for those who want to maintain their queer and religious identities
Thanks for this. Thanks for helping!
You bet!
Very inspiring to see a couple of young men taking up this important topic with depth, commitment and maturity. Please continue to set this needed example for many in our community. God bless you both!
It is more progress than I could have hoped for in my life that the topic is even discussed publicly. For me, coming out has been a very long process, not an event. It still is not perfect or total, but certainly light years from the padlocked closeted existence of my troubled youth. Best to both of you beautiful boys. God's love is unimaginable, and sadly, His church often gives him very poor P.R.
Yes, exactly - coming out is an on-going journey we do every day - not just a one time event
An important point is raised in the video as to the fact that little to no church teaching has been brought forth on the topic of sexuality, despite its relevance. The question arises, why has the Catholic Church been silent, or near silent on the topic? Some might take this silence as condemnation of homosexuality. However, couldn't the same point be made in reverse? There are numerous Protestant denominations who have been far more outspoken against homosexuality with statement after statement after statement of the strongest condemnation from their church leaders. Why is this voice of condemnation so much quieter or far less frequent in their response to the topic of homosexuality in the Catholic Church?
Good point!
I’m a celibate gay Christian, I left Courage Apostolate after they endorsed Fiducia Supplicans. I don’t need easy, empty liberal faith.
lmfao
Love is Love !!!
stop seeing your sexuality as something political
Oooh you are one of the crazy gay conservatives aren't you? 😂
You open my deepest heart to live as I have been called. Thank you.
Wow, thank you
Amazing content thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you’re guiding principle is not love for Christ and obedience to him and his church, then you’ve lost the thread, no matter what false pretenses you spout about following the magisterium.
To admit that you fall into sin and disorder is not that dreadful of a thing, the dreadful thing is insisting that sin is not sin and disorder is order.
Every day, all of us fail in small or big ways to live up to the good truth and beauty of our faith and of our Lord, to do so is part of our fallen nature, but the point of falling is to get back up and try again, not to insist that the ground is an illusion.
Correct, my guiding principle is not obedience to a corrupt institution of men who say that’s what a divine agent wants
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To be Catholic is to accept the incredible idea that something else in this world is wiser than you are.
Saying the magisterium is wrong because the church is corrupt is a copout and not a very intelligent one at that, it is like saying you don’t have to pay your taxes because the US government has done horrible things, only instead of the laws of men and the IRS being what you have to contend with, you have to contend with the logos and the will of the Almighty.
If you wish to marry the spirit of the age and soon become a widower, you’re welcome to do so though I would advise against it, however perhaps you should cease trying to drag others down to the depths of predation with you?
@@GayExTrad
If you think the magisterium is wrong because there’s corruption in the church, then stop calling yourself catholic, you can’t go around, saying I’m Catholic and then reject church teaching if it doesn’t suit whatever lifestyle you’ve chosen for yourself, to be Catholic is to accept the extraordinary idea that something in this world is wiser than you are.
I find it interesting how all of these folks who talk about “building bridges” with a certain community seem to think that the issue is long established, consistent, and well reason, church teaching, rather than the idea that maybe we should do as Christ asks of us, repent, and sin no more.
It’s almost like its just an extremely thinly veiled Trojan horse for modernists and worse groups to introduce error and heresy into the church, you know because that’s exactly what it is.
„He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.“ (Matthew 10:37-40)
based?
I think people should stop reading the "book" that was written by men, not God.
for sure
I believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary and I am so enamoured with Roman Catholic piety and religiosity. To me that is more important than the sexuality because the Blessed Trinity is inherent in all human conscience. ♥️
Bruh, how in tf is the trinity inherent in all human conscience?
@ I believe that the Holy Trinity made humans in his own image and likeness and we possess a small part of divinity in our Mind and Soul, which guides our Free Will and conscience. Being Gay is a non-issue for me as long as we worship Jesus Christ and the Blessed Mother who is the replacement of Adam + Eve according to Traditionalist Catholic theology.
@@GayExTrad excuse me ☝️ if you demand for the Catholic Church to affirm queer identities unconditionally then why do you sound annoyed when a someone of Catholic faith is talking about God and the trinity. Can we put away the double standards for these kinds of discussions please?
TRUE.
Self-negation is a crucial element of catholicism as it was demanded by the Lord HIMSELF.
Sexual Problems do Not affect homosexual people only.
The Position of the Church about sexual deviations is clear: they Are SIN, sometimes a Crime, but NOT a shame.
If You Read the genealogies of the Lord in the Gospels, they Are Full of prostitution, adultery and crime: He came to Save, to heal, Not to condemn.
But SIN IS SIN notwithstanding.
This made me cry 😢
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Very inspiring
thank you 🙏
God loves everyone.
Great sentiment
„Together with God all things are possible.“ (Dolly Parton)
dolly moment
I’m glad to come out as lgbt in December 2024
So happy for you!!
This might be off topic but can you tell me the name of the religious cult you joined and then left? The reason I ask is because someone I know is set to join the discalced Carmelite hermits in PA. He is 19. Can you give me the details of this group and your experience with them?
10 years ago, I would have LOVED seeing this video. Sadly, there was nothing like it. I had to come to terms with my sexuality by my own despite the shame and fear. Creating a community for catholics is a contribution incredibly needed at this moment. Thanks for sharing
thanks for watching! We neeeeed more voices in this space to help folks like you and I - wish we could've started pushing back earlier
God is loving and patient 🙏💕💕🙏❤
Yes to the next step ❤😊
Good interview. You should do one with Brandan Robertson
I may reach out - thanks for the suggestion!
God is understood in various ways in various religions. Sex is viewed as an honest part of life where people can have fun in life as part of a religious husband and wife in Hinduism. That is not the attitude in the Catholic church.
correct
I'm curious as to whether or not many, if any, gay catholic people would let themselves be open to a life with a non-catholic or non-religious person or is it a strict matter of following the, "Do not be unequally yoked" idea.
I would imagine most gay catholics are open to being in relationship with non-religious folks
I was religious when I first came out (Mormon not Catholic) and my partner is atheist. I was always taught that kind of relationship would never work, but we have done great.
As a gay former Catholic and seminarian, I left the church many years ago and am a happy agnostic. Funny questions for an church where more than half the clergy are closeted gays.....lol
yesssss, it's a wild institution made of men who are both victims or perpetrators of homophobia/religious trauma
Amazing, being Queer & having a relationship with God is not mutually exclusive.
For many, that’s very true!
God loves you. God loves us all. Just as you are.
Based?
REALLY?!?!?! Hu ? … sounds like the blind leading the blind.
bruv
I'm seriously interested in joining the Catholic Church, but even though I'm not gay, I find its stance on gay relationships very problematic and sometimes even disturbing.
I'll save you a few years of life by saying: don't join. They don't have any good reasons to join
@GayExTrad I'm not convinced of that right now. I do think that there are some serious problems. One can choose to work on those from the inside, though. I see Catholicism as a big ship that doesn't turn easily.
Note that I'm not gay, so they're not asking the impossible from me personally.
Consider the Anglican/Episcopal church which is more progressive if you can't find a home in Catholicism :)
@@Liam-c4s2v I like Anglicanism, but there's no church near me that I can go to. I'm also interested in Eastern Orthodoxy, even though they seem to be even more conservative.
I expect that my eventual choice will have to be pragmatic at least in part. My current view is that all denominations probably have flaws. We're all human after all.
@@diedertspijkerboer That’s right about every denomination having flaws. My advice based on your situation geographically is still to consider which denomination makes the most theological sense to you and not feel you have to compromise on that in your head. And then perhaps attend a church near you where your soul is fed, even if it’s not your ideal denomination. You can still always attend a Catholic Church for the liturgy and community and disagree with certain dogmas. I’m from the UK so I’m fortunate to have Anglican churches around me, my local one is high church, inclusive and open to different views.
Thanks for your sincere sharing. Unfortunately, your questions are all humanistic. You should ask God centric questions and see the difference. Your answer to who is God should be about what He says about Himself in the Bible, not giving Him the attributes you WANT Him to have...in effect making up your own Jesus. Human psychology studies are irrelevant...humanism to the max. Instead of asking what life you want to give to God you need to ask "what life does God want me to lead for His glory?" Those answers are dramatically different. Praying for both of you as I believe you both sincerely have a desire to know and live for God.
Thanks for watching! Yes, these questions are definitely humanistic. I prefer questions that way, because we don't have any solid or investigable way to investigate what a divine agent may want to communicate, let alone of they exist or have the capacity to communicate an imperative.
@GayExTrad God clearly speaks in the Bible. The problem is we don't often like what He says so we say it "isn't clear" when actually it's crystal clear. I find myself often wanting to trust my rational intellect rather than the Bible. The Bible tells us that it contains ALL we need for life and Godliness (2 Peter 1.3) Of course, God instructs us not to lean on our own (humanistic) understanding (Proverbs 3.5) but instead to completely trust Him.
@@gentrybnnot really. He actually doesn't speak much at all if you read it.
The idea of “getting to heaven” was mentioned. This deserves more discussion. Being spiritual beings we are all going to survive the change called death with our same mind, character, personality and a spiritual body. The physical body disintegrates where it is recycled into something else.
People who are near death report seeing, hearing and feeling deceased relatives, angels and others. There will be someone who will great us when we make that change called death and we find ourselves back home in the Spirit World.
Most Christians do not realize that when Moses and Elias appeared materialized on the mount of transfiguration Jesus was a medium who held a séance.
The spirit guide, Evening Star, told us in a seance, “What is Heaven for one person is Hell for another.” She cited the example of listening to rock n roll music. Some people listening to hard rock would be in Heaven, while others would be in Hell. We need to realize that people are different and their idea of heaven and hell are going to be different and change over time. When we were young getting a toy made us happy, later in life we want something different. Heaven and hell are mental and emotional states of consciousness that we experience on Earth and in the Spirit World.
Rod McKuen would say words similar to the following at the end of every act. “It does not matter who you love or how you love, but that you love. The good in man is God made manifest and loving is the contribution to that good and to that only God. For in the end the act of loving anyone is the act of loving God.”
Prove it!
Someone joined a cult
@@GayExTrad So, when you have a stroke and one part of your brain is damaged, you loose the ability to walk. A different stroke and you loose the ability to speak. Yet a different stroke and you loose the ability think. Then you die and the entire brain is damaged and you float off, personality intact, with the same mind and the same character. Religion has nothing to do with the hereafter. It has to do with what some people have to believe to get through the HERE.
Sadly, the basic theological perspective of 'reward and punishment' makes any idea of a totally inclusive and loving God impossible. The whole set up is rigged into a 'win/lose' scenario for everyone. That is not a religion that I want any part of.
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I am gay. I left the Catholic Church many years ago. I am an Episcopalian now. I love the Episcopal Church. It is so accepting of gay people. We have same-sex marriage, openly gay priests, etc. I strongly urge anyone interested to give this wonderful church a try.
Very cool!
@@GayExTrad Thank you. I subscribed to your channel. I look forward to seeing more videos from it. All the best.
If it occurs in nature, then it is natural. The whole argument around "natural law," which is so old and stale, just doesn't make any sense.
This is an awful argument
exactly
interesting video
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Beautiful guys.
thanks haha
We help each other get to Heaven 💗🙏❤
I just want to say, "Who cares."
Hmm?
Oohh I’m seated😊
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Washed and Waiting: Reflections on Christian Faithfulness and Homosexuality
Washed and Waiting: Reflections on Christian Faithfulness and Homosexuality
by Wesley Hill and Kathryn Greene-McCreight and Eve Tushnet | Sep 13, 2016
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What’s the thesis?
Catholic teaching come from Aquinas...........the end does not justify the means. So, how much good the gay relationship produces the end is not justified. As a Catholic I think we must question NON GAY theology and Philosophy . We must. God bless.
catholic teaching came from aquinas? lmfao
It's easier to forsake abrahamic religions altogether. We can find our spirituality in the least probable places, specially closer to nature.
I fully agree
I genuinely don't like abrahamic religions. It stem from an area of the world where violence were a common occur ancestors, oppressive control were a common accournace due to kings and tribes, amd they do have oppressive ways of thinking that few other religions outside the abrahamic trifecta has. Tbh it wouldn't of had spread without the war fare. Christians across Europe and teh America's spread through war and conquest, islam across north Africa and Middle East, and Judiasm is the only one that didn't spread much through war. I think the real discussion is that are we really considering the abrahamic religions that shaped our ancestral minds and culture through force or aquesition of following power or can we do away with such book and ideology and go back tonthe basics in actually following what makes our lives truly better
Let's become pagan? Great take for Gay Christian. Our sexual inclinations take us out of the church.
Religion tarnishes everything...even love that does not suit their belief system..this guy needs some psychological counseling...
Coming from a Mormon background, I had a very similar experience religious wise! Very grateful gor my journey, I still maintain a strong relationship with God, but no longer feel the burden to listen to the middle man. You can learn great things from church, but a true relationship with Diety comes from within. 🩵
Great video!
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1 Corinthians 9 never said homosexuality was a sin until after 1946 with the new revised version. Even the translation from original Greek text doesn’t. Bible translations mattter.
Interesting
Paul was a false prophet
The true original texts said a man shall not lie with an adolescent boy….it DIDNT say man. You have to think of how things were in Biblical times and back then men would sleep with young males “to teach them how to perform in the bedroom.” However, the term used in the original text was changed as if it were speaking of it being a sin for two men.
That's.... not true. The Greek word used is arsenokoitai, which literally means "men-bed", and it's a reference to Leviticus 18:11 which condemns homosexuality.
It's is 1 Cor 6:9-11 Not 1 Cor 9. "Malakos" actually means what it means.
This conversation sounds a lot like Stockholm Syndrome.💙
basically
The main difference is I can prove sex exists 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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So many Christians I listen to, like here, seem to require a guidebook by which to live their lives. There is something to be said for using one's own inner guidance to make decisions in life, without having a religious rule-book defining every step you make, isn't there? I left Catholicism as a college student over 40 years ago, never looked back, and have had a full and spiritual life without Catholic doctrine defining my every footstep. It takes courage in oneself to listen and trust what can truly prompt one towards fulfillment. I know there are many other benefits to religion than the rules, but those benefits seem to be much more accessible once the rule-book is discarded.
I salute you for bringing up this subject. The Catholic Church is like an large ship It takes many nudges for it to change direction.
Thanks for watching!
This may hurt you, but that is not what I intend, just consider other points of view and think for yourselves --> You are free to believe whatever you want, but you can't go around the Bible and Church teaching. It's either Christ or the World, you can't make both things fit in, it's either one or the other. You can't serve two masters at once. It requires picking up the Cross and denying one's desires, just because I feel the urge to go and sleep with women doesn't mean I must go and scratch the itch. Everyone has his struggle, the worst thing you could do is lying to people and telling them it's Ok. What is the next video going to be: polygamist Catholics? Also, not having children isn't a part o marriage by the way, intentionally childless marriage and contraception wasn't intended by God. Still, God's love is for everyone but it requires accepting Him and His Holy Law! And He can only be found in His Holy Orthodox Church ☦, unlike the imposter and liar pope Francis is.
Not the ortho bros spewing half-baked apologetics on my ex-catholic RUclips channel
@@GayExTrad This doesn't make for an argument neither does it display Christian values
@@GayExTrad That doesn't make for an argument, neither does it display Christian values.
@@GayExTrad Neither does deleting comments
"you can't go around the bye bol"
I beg to differ. You definitely can. That's why not even people from the same faith can agree on the interpretation. As the institutions that once held monopoly over faith fractured, new sects appeared, each one claiming to be the one and only truth.
Even you are going around the bible right now, when you worry more about the speck of dust in your brother's eye, rather than the splinter in your eye. Even though you commit sin every day and get away with it, you still feel the need to distill poison to other sinners, disguised as faith.
I still have a hard time believing ppl can be naturally attracted to the same sex like that it’s kinda gross
Bruh, how can men like women? They’re so gross
@ If you say so, probably are it’s just what I like
@@Captain_Autismothis might be mind blowing for you. Think of how you feel about women...now imagine you feel that way about men. And BAM you understand 😉
Yeah, it's pretty wild that different people are into different things.
the cuts and edits are excessive and distracting
it's always tough to figure out how much processing I should do - in this case, the cuts make the conversation shorter by about 6 minutes and allows reaching more people
How can I contact you?
Instagram DM’s or my Patreon
For me leaving the RCC and just becoming a non believer I’ve found happiness and peace. #HAPPYAPOSTATE
Love that for you!!
Thanks for the great video. I’m trans and Anglican.
Thanks for watching!
And that’s why I’m Episcopal
Love it!
Same. I left the RC Church many years ago and now I’m discerning the Diaconate in my Episcopal Church.
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This was a great interview. And I’m pretty sure your struggle with your sexuality and the Catholic faith is not an easy one. I will start by saying that the church was made for man and not man for the church. I’m not sure that I’m the one that’s qualified to say anything here, but I will say that the marriage covenant is between a man and a woman because it comes with a command to be fruitful and multiply. Same sex couples cannot achieve that through natural means. And just like single straight people you’re called to a life of Chastity and celibacy. I don’t think the church expects you to live your life alone. I don’t think the church has a problem with you having a companion, but you would still have to be chaste and celibate. The church will not go against your free will, God will not go against your free will. but at the same time, I understand that God doesn’t change and neither does his laws. Sometimes we have to pray for certain things to be removed from us. Sometimes we have to pray for understanding. I would say surround yourself with people that try to understand you with love in their hearts and to guide you in the right direction.There’s a difference between criticism and correction criticism is not always going to help you. Anyway, feel free to ask me questions if you like. God bless you both.
Sure seems like God’s laws sure have changed a lot …
@ in what way?
@@jameshebert8186slavery
Christianity is about your character, you dont have to be in church to be a Christian, Jesus loves everyone and he wants us to live happy lives not causing harm or sadness to anyone. Other Christians who think you are wronged Because of your sexuality should have God to content with. You don't have to beg the church or anyone for acceptance. Dont fake your life for anyone, it's traumatising.
Don't sin
Say it louder for folks in the back!
@@GayExTrad you cant be christian if youre simply going to ignore the bible lol
I want to marry Justin 😊
he's taken, haha