Ah yes the classic -ate ability + boom burst combo. Super common combo in BH that's just as nightmarish as it sounds on stuff like Kyurem Black and Mega Diancie. Luckily for AAA Boon burst doesn't have the widest learnset
Tbh I was thinking of getting into something like hackmons or AAA and using Aerialate Boomburst Specs Chatot, but I don't know if Chatot can get boomburst so it might not work
Radical Red Swellow with a puny 75 SpA terrorised everything. What do you expect from Noivern doing the exact same thing? Specs Boomburst with any -ate is basically a nuke.
keld gained a few points in my book today. went from being walled by pex to obliterating it, anything that kills pex is a friend to me. still love how mr. fish can ohko pex in the rain...
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 I’m VERY late, but basically you get 5 OU or below pokemon and one Uber. That Uber has 6 slots relating to each of its stats, and the Pokémon in those slots get those stats. For example, if you put something like a Zygarde 10% in slot 2(the attack slot) with Necrozma Dusk Mane not in slot 2, it will have Necrozma Dusk Mane’s base 153 attack.
Love how as soon as I saw Noivern, I knew it was Aerilate Boomburst that made it busted. I play Mix & Mega and one of my favorite set was a Salamencite Noivern, where he gets +10 Special Attack and +20 Speed making him have an op 143 Speed, and finally +50 Defense giving him a fat 130 Defense.
This video has made me interested in actually getting into competitive with this tier - seems so interesting to basically have to really know your stuff and can't just rely on a bunch of OU standard sets (which is fun but you don't get truly surprised often)
I remember somewhere around the ORAS era when Weavile ran refrigerate feint to kill aerialate Dragonite's extremespeed. 30 power was enough because obviously no multiscale. My favorite silly set from then was klutz assault vest gengar - lots of things ran poison heal and magic guard (toxic orb), but hated the permanent taunt.
You know for the magic guard mind blown there is a meta where that actually is a obtainable thing. It is called radical red, the showdown server is called radical red showdown, and the combo was seen on delphox. And it also was banned from ou
I can see Delphox getting Magic Guard instead of nearly-useless Magician, but Mind Blown sure pushes over the top as expected in something like Radical Red.
@@TheCommenterSam Delphox was one of the most buffed Pokemon in RR for what it's worth. The only other Pokemon in RR Ubers that aren't normally Ubers are Pirouette Meloetta who no longer requires using Relic Song in battle, Mega Gallade with Blademaster boosting the power and crit-rate of its Sacred Swords and Psycho Cuts, and Toxtricity with its shiny new Punk Rock-powered Mega. Delphox didn't need a Mega to get banned
In Gen 7, my favourite mon to use was Tinted Lens Infernape. It's not the best Pokemon in the world but it's my favourite and I even managed to beat its counters at certain situations.
I’m seeing a lot of clips with Poison Heal in them. Are these clips all taken from before the Poison Heal ban? On that note, it would be fun to hear about what abilities were banned and why, considering the Primal weathers and things like No Guard are allowed
Poison Heal was such a stupid ability anyway, everybody knows that it's gonna invariably get banned for how unironically toxic it is. I recall very early in gen 8 how frankly stupid PH Snorlax was, with the limited pokedex, Snorlax was once again pretty damn good stat wise and there weren't that many strong fighting types that could threaten it out, and if it ever got a curse, it was worse, and considering how difficult it can be to chip Snorlax down with PH, it was a very potent late game sweeper in the meta. It wasn't the strongest or most centralizing by quite a margin, but it definitely was one of the least fun to deal with
@@sephikong8323 Wasn't Gliscor really good in OU for quite a while mainly because of Poison Heal? It's such an OP ability. You can't get statused, and you heal every turn.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Not only that but you cannot prevent the healing once it got poisoned and so after just one turn, the PH Pokemon becomes a perfect Knock Off sponge, allowing it to greatly alleviate pressure on the rest of your team. This ability is so busted even freaking Breloom had a legit and quite threatening defensive set in gen 4 and 5 thanks to it, and Breloom's bulk is similar to that of Weavile ffs
Versatility is sometimes a Pokemon's strongest asset. If Buzzwole was always just the triage set then you could play around it, but you're guessing between 2-3 viable sets. Sometimes just forcing your opponent to scout and figure out what you're doing is enough to win.
I honestly love this tier so much it is so fun to mess about with friends with, with sets like mega launcher lucario or unburden throat spray clangorous soul kommo-o, it is a small shame that basically everything just benefits from magic guard life orb because of how good it is
I feel like you do a good job of explaining *why* a ban is necessary for the health of the meta. I feel like a lot of ban explanations are just like "well you had to teambuild around it" which is stupid because yeah, you've always gotta build around meta threats. You do a good job of explaining that, for example, a mons counters are heavily limited/unviable in their own right/whatever
What is interesting is that a lot of the banned Pokémon are too strong due to either tinted lens or sheer force, and I find it odd that every Pokémon that can abuse those get banned instead of the abilities themselves
This generally means that there are other users of the ability that are able to use it without being overbearing alongside their other sets. You need something like that if stuff like RegenVest is running around.
I t was a few years ago, I think it was on almost any ability, (or maybe it was balanced hackmons) I used to love to run imposter on really weird mons and, or disguise my imposter Pokémon with really strong mons. I had a team that did this with Dialga, and pheramosa, tho I forget wich one wis disguised as the other. When I tried to go back and do it again some part of it had been banned. My go-to thing on the almost any ability, STAB mons, and mix and mega metagames is find ways to get twice-hitting moves on a Pokémon with technician. I also like to get megalauncher on hydreigon. In almost any ability it’s free game, but in mix and mega I put scicorite on klingklang and blastoiseite on hydreigon. This makes klinklang’s gear grind, and hydreigon’s dark pulse effectively 150 base power(if you don’t miss), and dragon pulse even higher. Loved doing that.
It would be easily OU if it got areialate boomburst. Just spam specs boomburst. It'll hit anything that doesn't quad resist it for huge damage. Also it could run throat spray to clean late game.
Durant’s hidden ability is “truant” literally JUST because it sounds like “true ant,” don’t act like gf is the master of balance focuses on nothing but gameplay
@@ThePenisMan To be fair durant single handled broke the gen 5 single battle tower with it's hidden ability. They literally had different top run's based on if you used durant or not. As in external site's that tracked your best winrate had durant and non-durant team's seperated.
@@danielsmith5032 are you suggesting that there’s a possibility that Durant has slaking’s exclusive ability used to nerf it’s huge base stats for any other reason? Because it sure as hell wasn’t gameplay
this video kinda shows that my opinion of Movepool > Ability > Typing>=stats. Movepool is the most important. Since it can make or break a pokemon. Ability is 2nd most important, since it can make a pokemon overpowered or completely useless Typing is important due to weaknessess and certain protections some types get. Stats is the last important thing since if it got a shitty movepool or ability, doesn't matter if it has good stats. Typing is slightly better than stats if it got great ability & movepool. (see Clefable since gen 6 or Sableye in gen 5) stats is also something you can improved quite easily. (IV, EV, Status moves, Abilities etc) but Typing is quite difficult to change.
I understand banning the specific combo that breaks things would be really hard to implement but damn they really don’t let you use archeops in the metagame that lets it not have Defeatist
This is reminiscent of League of Legends Ultra Rapid Fire (URF) and then the subsequent modifications to later iterations of URF due to incredibly broken strategies of an inherently broken metagame. It's fascinating to see a sort of similar story in another game attempting a similar fun game type.
I remember drafting up a scarf Regen Nihilego back in the day to counter Blace. Sucker was an absolutely beautiful counter to Blace, and it's still a fun anti-meta pick to revenge kill Skewda and other frail attackers.
I used to play a lot of pure hackmons, and I’m still at a 1600 elo. The best sets I found were = Prankster-curse-leech seed-sub-spore-leftovers-giratina aerilate-fake out-extreme speed-ice shard-thousand arrows-lum/safety goggles-ray ray pixilate-fake out-extreme speed-bullet punch-crunch-sash-mega diance mold breaker-water spout-boomburst-any other 2 special moves that’s useful to a team-scarf-primal kyogre Banded-huge power-mega mewtwo Wonder guard is only really good on 3 mons Gyarados with a mega band, so you start with wonder guard, you go for shell smash as long as you can, with sub-extreme speed-waterfall, when you need to you go mega, you get mold breaker, and kill everything with either a fast waterfall, or an extreme speed. Meloetta is also good with it, it only has a weakness to dark, so you just put heal bell-leech seed-toxic-and I like recover, I also prefer using safety goggles as a counter to giratina. And the last one that’s pretty good is a mega manectric with an air baloon, it’s unbeatable without thousand arrows or mold breaker. And I’d also give it thunderbolt-boomburst-shell smash and baton pass. I’ve seen some people run a team of Mega Gardevoirs, and that is actually OP. Deoxys with no guard is very overrated, because you can’t really be scarfed. So any fast scarfer beats it, you need gastro acid and a healthy brain to make it really good. Mega gengar can do something similar to giratina, I just like the bulk, since speed isn’t important. In my opinion, regigigas should just get own tempo or something as a hidden ability, because it’s trash even in pure hackmons, the same could be said for slaking as well, it would just need a slight nerf to it’s spdef. Edit: wrote giratina instead of regigigas lmao.
We aren't on Reddit, nobody cares if you correct a typo, but what's most obnoxious is when you don't even correct the fucking typo and just put it at the end of the comment.
@@jj4123 Writing the wrong word is a type of typo. Going "Edit:" to fix the problem, especially when you don't fix the problem until the fucking end, is some Reddit tier retardation.
@@grim_blazer9120 The big problem a lot of the hyper offensive pokemon face is 4 move syndrome. And in this tier you also have 1 ability syndrome, or 6 pokemon syndrome. Status isn’t really that important in this tier unless used against wonder guard. Or with used with prankset sets. Using mold breaker or huge power over poison heal is always more useful. You have to choose which pokemon to bring very carefully. It’s really a battle of predicting which pokemon have the tools for your tools. If both players make perfect choices, the battle will go on literally forever. So you have to decide exactly when to make the risky play. In a metagame where things can kill you in one hit, a poison heal set is usually pretty useless, and even if it uses moves that can hit your wonderguard pokemon, aerialite/pixlilate fake out/extreme speed, is going to kill. (Giga man is really not that fast, so extreme speed from a faster mon goes first) Regigigas’s set’s just don’t have enough utility to overshadow other more powerful pokemon. In my opinion, the most opressive set of any pokemon is the kyogre set I mentioned earlier. It can kill any shuckle in one hit, it outspeeds most of the metagame, and can also hit through wonderguard. The only real counter is sash, which is rare and underrated in pure hackmons. Rayquaza isn’t necessary, because any pokemon can be mega without items. It’s just very fast, and really only looses to wonder guard meloetta and prankster gengar/giratina. That’s the reason I run safety googles. Mega diancie is really destructive in the metagame. It dies pretty quickly, which is the reason for sash. But the real danger is pixilite, it has so much utility, and also kills any meta set. Bullet punch is for fairies like diancie or xerneas. Crunch is purely for meloetta. If pure hackmons had a 1v1 format, meloetta would be on every single team. It’s just completely impossible to break for some teams. Mega Mewtwo X is what Regigigas tries to be. It can kill anything in one hit. It just really struggles with 1 ability syndrome, and can usually be countered pretty easily. You never want to be forced into loosing your counters before fighting it though, you’ll loose. I always have 2-3 mons with mold breaker, because it’s necessary to break a bunch of strategies. And many abilities are too good to not use. So be very careful when choosing an ability like poison heal instead of something that makes you invincible :)
@@rithakc normalize makes all of target's moves normal type. Gengar is immune to normal types. So if skill swapped to a pokemon it gets its ability and they can't hit gengar. I kinda call it fucking op ngl
I got a good one. If you use helping hand and target an opposing Pokémon, if they attack they get the boost like normal. But if they use a status move, that move is denied and they lose that turn. Almost like helping hand forces an attack move. So if they select for example calm mind. It fails. But if they attack they get the boost.
I also have a good one: What if there is a physical orb and a special orb? The physical orb makes special moves turn into physical moves and use the physical attack stat. The opposite is true for the special orb
@@BladeTNT2018 I feel like that make it a little op. I could see how it would be useful tho. Like having a physical water type be able to use scald. I guess it depends on those few mons that have high damage moves that are special and are physical.
@@juanfritze4808 This can be somewhat useful for pokemon who have bad movesets from one and good for the other. Like for example, a physical attacker who has a bad physical movepool, but a great special movepool
I’ve got some ability ideas for abilities that will save terrible Pokémon: -Filter and its clones: Halves damage from super effective moves. -Illuminate: Ignores stat-protecting effects. -Light Metal: Increases Speed by 20%, but lowers defenses by 10% each. -Heavy Metal: Increases defenses by 10% each, but decreases Speed by 20%. -Permafrost/Hard Ice (still thinking of what name is better): Quarters damage from Fire, Fighting, Rock, and Steel, including damage from Stealth Rock. Given to defensive Ice-types like Cryogonal and Avalugg. -Smog Absorb: If hit by a Poison-type move, instead of taking damage, is healed by 1/4 of max HP. Given to defensive Poison-types like Swalot and Garbodor. -Wind Rider: Give it to Shiftry already! I kinda find it sad that Weavile is not allowed in the format that lets it run abilities that it can actually use as a fast frail physical attacker. Like, I would give it Tough Claws and Slush Rush, if it was up to me.
The ability is broken because it removes the concept of resistances in Pokémon another key feature Arena trap is broken because it prevents switching out another core mechanic
No, not really. For one, wandering spirit works on contact only which doesn't stop most of the list. Of the ones it does, it doesn't matter because you take 50% or more from the first attack. Plus, they can always just switch out
I remember how awful the Aerilate Dragonite metagame was, Dragonite getting banned was a blessing. There were also talks of just banning Aerilate outright (especially because of Noivern), but I felt pretty good about just getting rid of Dragonite at the time.
@@SeriousStriker given how Gyarados use bounce for max airstream and Z-fly Landorus, the lesson is: keep good physical flying move only to Bird pokemon
You know what would be busted? Giving Gengar an immunity. Could you imagine Levitate Gengar tearing up OU? Going from being countered by ground types to checking them?
Hey Freezai, remember the LC team making tutorial? How about making amother video like that for another tier like NAt Dex? Would help a lot of new commers!
Melmetal in Main Sseries: [gets the best Steel move] [actually good mythical steel type] [superior design] Melmetal in GO: pwease don't use fwamefwower togakish i'm just a wittle lump of meddal,,,,, I really with they'd give us DIB already lol
quick suggestion: throw a quick description of the abilities when you mention them, especially the ones that are signature abilities and arent common in standard play :)
This video reminded me clearly why I quitted showdown: I disliked a lot of ban decisions. For instance, if aeriliate makes plenty of pokemons super broken in AAA, why not just banning aeriliate instead of banning a dozen of pokemons? Also in 6G meta, I hated how landorus-T had over 50% usage in OU, I wished it got banned because it was both too versatile and meta defining, but people kept saying he was fine. Another example is zygarde: he got banned because of thousand arrows, but I wished they just banned the move and not the pokemon. Sure after all, all these decisions can't appeal everyone, but since it's a take or go, I left.
Yeah lando t is fine due to how many pokemon can still destroy it like buzzwole, urshifu, tapu fini etc. The biggest issue is that it doesnt have any good recovery meaning you can chip away at it pretty fast
Weavile has always been a very powerful pokemon with an unfortunate movepool and defensive typing. If those issues are fixed it immediately becomes a huge threat; see gen 6 AAA or, for that matter, SwSh OU.
6:18 The only time I saw someone using legitimately Noivern as a tech for some team was me before the crown tundra dlc in sword's battlespot, and I chose it over dragapult despite being overall inferior just to win some match-ups with Airstream (a stab airstream which at the time I thought that it was a HUGE plus over dragapult), Tailwind and no dark weakness against specifically Grimmsnarl, Malamar and later in the Isle of armor, Incineroar
Well I still to prefer my Melmetal to have Iron Fist. I like making boxing teams and of course I am foaming at the current unavailability of Hitmonchan in SV.
I think alohan Raichu could be a sleep hitter, if soul heart isn't banned, it has insane coverage and is speedy, so a moveset like: Timid, 252 speed, 252 sp.att @focus sash/life orb, soul heart Agility Thundershock Psyshock Surf I feel like he was kinda strong in gen7 ou, he has the kit if being fast and access to nasty plot and psyshock ruining spec walls, dunno how that would translate to AAA, but feel free to try if ya wanna ^^
Problem is that there are a lot of triage mons used, most of these run leech life wich OHKO's alolan raichu, also I use a prankster drampa with nature's power and specs and he OHKO's as well
Based on the title I can tell you why wyverns banned bommburst and aerialite means stab 1.2 boomburst with tailwind set up means that with scarf or specs it’s a op sweeper
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I'm not gonna lie, watching Gengar OHKO a Blissey with Focus Blast was awesome.
Word. Cuz that’s how it’s sposed to be
That’s like killing God.
@@averygamerdude7911 killing a god specialized in killing humans
The awesomeness comes from how focus miss actually landed
Glad you didn't lie!
Love how in Gen 6, Weavile was banned and people just used Sneasel.
Like people using frogadier/raboot with protean/libero
like in gen 5 1v1 they banned whimsicott so everyone used cottonee
I was one of those
@@pogchimp9452 remember Jamie Boyt won a vgc regional with Cottonee over Whismicott to prove a point
When dugtrio was banned in gen 5 people start using diglett which has pathetic attack but barely enough to take down something like heatran
I find it hilarious that I never knew double iron bash flinches because melmetal is so dirt slow
Shit I didn’t know that until now LOL
That's why we run thunder wave and trick room and tailwind people
It's a comically busted move lmao
VGC series 13 allows Melmetal.
@@dabmonstr7403 Ah yes from 30 to 60 speed LMAO
Whoever wrote that text on Dragonite deserves a raise. That line "Extreme[ly] Speed[y cleanup of offense]" is just soo good.
IMFAO, didn’t even see that during the video. That’s funnyaf.
I feel like I get half the joke here
I don't think smogon mods get paid
Aerilate Extreme Speed
Basically a stronger Flying type First Impression that can actually be spammed
lol
Ah yes the classic -ate ability + boom burst combo. Super common combo in BH that's just as nightmarish as it sounds on stuff like Kyurem Black and Mega Diancie. Luckily for AAA Boon burst doesn't have the widest learnset
Sylveon makes a deadly user of it in STABmons as well. Very fun.
@@GeneralForster Like it 3 hit ko Blissey
Tbh I was thinking of getting into something like hackmons or AAA and using Aerialate Boomburst Specs Chatot, but I don't know if Chatot can get boomburst so it might not work
Radical Red Swellow with a puny 75 SpA terrorised everything. What do you expect from Noivern doing the exact same thing? Specs Boomburst with any -ate is basically a nuke.
I remember a time when contrary v create was not ban in balanced hackmon. This thing was dope XD
keld gained a few points in my book today. went from being walled by pex to obliterating it, anything that kills pex is a friend to me. still love how mr. fish can ohko pex in the rain...
Mr. Fish two hit koes palkia in rain (with choice band
@@dabmonstr7403 is that on a switch in? because i dont think vish ever outspeeds palkia to get that extra damage outside of tailwind or trick room.
@@pikminman13 yeah but you get the point. Also if you don't use tailwind support why use dracovish anymore?
@@dabmonstr7403 i dont know i dont play ubers im used to the scarf ou era
tintend lens is enough vs toxapex
It would be interesting to see a series of this weird bans in other metagames... like godly gift or balanced hackmons
Freezai made a video on the most surprising ban of all time: Cramorant, in balanced hackmons
What is Godly Gift, anyways? I'm unfamiliar with that.
@@adrianclamens6679 It's weird that in Pokemon Unite a glitch made Cramorant literally invincible for the entire game.
@@adrianclamens6679 in gorging form that is
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 I’m VERY late, but basically you get 5 OU or below pokemon and one Uber. That Uber has 6 slots relating to each of its stats, and the Pokémon in those slots get those stats. For example, if you put something like a Zygarde 10% in slot 2(the attack slot) with Necrozma Dusk Mane not in slot 2, it will have Necrozma Dusk Mane’s base 153 attack.
dragonite and noivern seem pretty straightforward, actually
aerilate + boomburst/extremespeed goes _brrrrrrr_
Love how as soon as I saw Noivern, I knew it was Aerilate Boomburst that made it busted. I play Mix & Mega and one of my favorite set was a Salamencite Noivern, where he gets +10 Special Attack and +20 Speed making him have an op 143 Speed, and finally +50 Defense giving him a fat 130 Defense.
I'm so proud of Noivern. I've always wanted Noivern to get some good competitive use (doesn't really matter what format), and here we are.
As someone who's favorite Pokémon is Noibat and really likes Noivern too, I feel really happy about this. (EDIT: Spelling error)
Noivern is just awesome
A video on this metagame (for example the most used sets) would be interesting
agreed the AAA format seems like it would open up alot of different unique playstyles
True, free AAA meta vid
Let’s get a video on belly drum charizard so that people other than me will use it
This video has made me interested in actually getting into competitive with this tier - seems so interesting to basically have to really know your stuff and can't just rely on a bunch of OU standard sets (which is fun but you don't get truly surprised often)
@@Lambeaux0 do it, I’ll see you on the ladder
Not surprised huge power /
& pure power were banned considering how busted they are, especially with top base attack mons.
Huge Power regigigas sounds so fun
Huge Power Regigigas seems an obvious choice.
You telling me you DON'T want to see Huge Power Urshifu-S OHKO'ing your Togekiss with a banded Close Combat?
I wanna see Huge Power banded Kartana ohko Heatran with Smart Strike
I'd love to see huge power slaking
I remember somewhere around the ORAS era when Weavile ran refrigerate feint to kill aerialate Dragonite's extremespeed. 30 power was enough because obviously no multiscale. My favorite silly set from then was klutz assault vest gengar - lots of things ran poison heal and magic guard (toxic orb), but hated the permanent taunt.
You know for the magic guard mind blown there is a meta where that actually is a obtainable thing. It is called radical red, the showdown server is called radical red showdown, and the combo was seen on delphox. And it also was banned from ou
Ye but that's also due to its coverage like grass know scorching sands etc
I can see Delphox getting Magic Guard instead of nearly-useless Magician, but Mind Blown sure pushes over the top as expected in something like Radical Red.
@@TheCommenterSam Delphox was one of the most buffed Pokemon in RR for what it's worth. The only other Pokemon in RR Ubers that aren't normally Ubers are Pirouette Meloetta who no longer requires using Relic Song in battle, Mega Gallade with Blademaster boosting the power and crit-rate of its Sacred Swords and Psycho Cuts, and Toxtricity with its shiny new Punk Rock-powered Mega. Delphox didn't need a Mega to get banned
don't break counters, respect your furniture
This is such genuinely good content. The level of insight into anything niche is quite rare to begin with. Just fantastic quality work
In Gen 7, my favourite mon to use was Tinted Lens Infernape. It's not the best Pokemon in the world but it's my favourite and I even managed to beat its counters at certain situations.
I’m seeing a lot of clips with Poison Heal in them. Are these clips all taken from before the Poison Heal ban? On that note, it would be fun to hear about what abilities were banned and why, considering the Primal weathers and things like No Guard are allowed
Most of those mons were banned before p heal was banned, which is why most clips have p heal in them
Poison Heal was such a stupid ability anyway, everybody knows that it's gonna invariably get banned for how unironically toxic it is.
I recall very early in gen 8 how frankly stupid PH Snorlax was, with the limited pokedex, Snorlax was once again pretty damn good stat wise and there weren't that many strong fighting types that could threaten it out, and if it ever got a curse, it was worse, and considering how difficult it can be to chip Snorlax down with PH, it was a very potent late game sweeper in the meta. It wasn't the strongest or most centralizing by quite a margin, but it definitely was one of the least fun to deal with
@@sephikong8323 Wasn't Gliscor really good in OU for quite a while mainly because of Poison Heal?
It's such an OP ability. You can't get statused, and you heal every turn.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Not only that but you cannot prevent the healing once it got poisoned and so after just one turn, the PH Pokemon becomes a perfect Knock Off sponge, allowing it to greatly alleviate pressure on the rest of your team.
This ability is so busted even freaking Breloom had a legit and quite threatening defensive set in gen 4 and 5 thanks to it, and Breloom's bulk is similar to that of Weavile ffs
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 It healing is usually the double than from Leftovers and Black Sludge
Versatility is sometimes a Pokemon's strongest asset. If Buzzwole was always just the triage set then you could play around it, but you're guessing between 2-3 viable sets. Sometimes just forcing your opponent to scout and figure out what you're doing is enough to win.
I honestly love this tier so much it is so fun to mess about with friends with, with sets like mega launcher lucario or unburden throat spray clangorous soul kommo-o, it is a small shame that basically everything just benefits from magic guard life orb because of how good it is
My dream (Because I'm a madman) was always to run Double Iron Bash on a fast Mon and give it Serene Grace. Doesn't quite work, and rightfully so
Double Iron Bash is such a broken move that you can't even run it in Balanced Hackmons lol
Hear me out. Double iron bash serene grace zacian
@@dabmonstr7403 doesn’t zacian need it’s ability for +1 attack? It won’t come into the field with 7 million attack which seems like a nerf.
@@The_Lightless Still has 1200 BST
@@tr4shpanda 120
I feel like you do a good job of explaining *why* a ban is necessary for the health of the meta. I feel like a lot of ban explanations are just like "well you had to teambuild around it" which is stupid because yeah, you've always gotta build around meta threats. You do a good job of explaining that, for example, a mons counters are heavily limited/unviable in their own right/whatever
What is interesting is that a lot of the banned Pokémon are too strong due to either tinted lens or sheer force, and I find it odd that every Pokémon that can abuse those get banned instead of the abilities themselves
This generally means that there are other users of the ability that are able to use it without being overbearing alongside their other sets. You need something like that if stuff like RegenVest is running around.
Any ability was prob one of the few tiers Regi could have shine and they, yet again, blue balled him
There’s balanced hackmons
Regieleki?
@@hatslapper6860 regigigas
i mean, regigigas is one of the best and most meta defining mons in balanced hackmons
@@grim_blazer9120 whoops I'm dumb lol
There was so magic guard/sheer force + life orb. And a decent amount of tinted lens. Sounds like it's those abilities and not the mons lmaooo
I t was a few years ago, I think it was on almost any ability, (or maybe it was balanced hackmons) I used to love to run imposter on really weird mons and, or disguise my imposter Pokémon with really strong mons. I had a team that did this with Dialga, and pheramosa, tho I forget wich one wis disguised as the other. When I tried to go back and do it again some part of it had been banned.
My go-to thing on the almost any ability, STAB mons, and mix and mega metagames is find ways to get twice-hitting moves on a Pokémon with technician. I also like to get megalauncher on hydreigon. In almost any ability it’s free game, but in mix and mega I put scicorite on klingklang and blastoiseite on hydreigon. This makes klinklang’s gear grind, and hydreigon’s dark pulse effectively 150 base power(if you don’t miss), and dragon pulse even higher. Loved doing that.
I immediately realized before watching that Aerilate Noivern would be RIDICULOUS
Boomburst in action
Tbh wasn't surprised pult was ban
same
Noivern is my second favorite Pokémon and it was cool to see her amazing in a tier. I do hope that Noivern gets aerialate somehow in normal Pokémon.
That would make it broken as discussed in the video.
@@The_Lightless yes which would be awesome
@@superfrubblez6123 But i want to actually use Noivern :(
It would be easily OU if it got areialate boomburst. Just spam specs boomburst. It'll hit anything that doesn't quad resist it for huge damage. Also it could run throat spray to clean late game.
I also really like Noivern and Noibat is literally my all-time favorite Pokémon, so I love seeing it shine
It makes you think ... "hm. Maybe this is why the designers of the game gave specific Pokemon the moves/abilities they did for a reason"
Durant’s hidden ability is “truant” literally JUST because it sounds like “true ant,” don’t act like gf is the master of balance focuses on nothing but gameplay
@@ThePenisMan To be fair durant single handled broke the gen 5 single battle tower with it's hidden ability. They literally had different top run's based on if you used durant or not. As in external site's that tracked your best winrate had durant and non-durant team's seperated.
@@XenithShadow yeah that makes it even worse
It’s joke ability was used for a broken cheese strat
@@ThePenisMan Is "that" why they gave it truant? If so, provide where you got that information please
@@danielsmith5032 are you suggesting that there’s a possibility that Durant has slaking’s exclusive ability used to nerf it’s huge base stats for any other reason? Because it sure as hell wasn’t gameplay
this video kinda shows that my opinion of Movepool > Ability > Typing>=stats.
Movepool is the most important. Since it can make or break a pokemon.
Ability is 2nd most important, since it can make a pokemon overpowered or completely useless
Typing is important due to weaknessess and certain protections some types get.
Stats is the last important thing since if it got a shitty movepool or ability, doesn't matter if it has good stats. Typing is slightly better than stats if it got great ability & movepool. (see Clefable since gen 6 or Sableye in gen 5)
stats is also something you can improved quite easily. (IV, EV, Status moves, Abilities etc) but Typing is quite difficult to change.
I’d say they are equally as important. There are so many examples of Pokémon that get “carried” one of these 4 traits (or more)
@@azuma_playlist8708 if a pokemon have a bad movepool and a bad ability, it's always a bad pkmn
@Grunty Boi laughs in wonder guard
delibird:
mentioning Steelworker and Tinted Lens on Melmetal, meanwhile I'm thinking of Technician. Anotherbone is Serene Grace with Choice Scarf
I wish regigigas wasn't banned. I love that it had one area that it wasn't absolute trash
there's always Balanced Hackmons
@@goGothitaLOL in balanced hackmons a lot of things are better than a normal type that hits pretty hard
@@azelfie1041 ik I’m a month late, but…have you even played BH?
It would be cool to see more AAA videos or balanced hackmons videos, it's so interesting to see how broken some pokemon can be with the right set
>1:51
>Buzzwole named Grindr
This vid title=Aerilate Noivern(it should have been a thing btw)
“Sheer Force” is such a fitting ability for Victini lmao
Hmmm not sure if you've covered it yet, but the Calm Mind ban in Camomons is definitely unituitive and pretty interesting!
5:35 Desolate land chandelure seems a really Giga-chad pick that will differentiate from your average 300 Iq teambuilder
I love how 80% of showdown bans are “it’s too hard to guess the set”
There should be an "Almost Any Ability Ubers" Tier where you can use these Pokémon.
That entire tier will be aerilate extremespeed dragonanite
I understand banning the specific combo that breaks things would be really hard to implement but damn they really don’t let you use archeops in the metagame that lets it not have Defeatist
Archeops is almost a legendary with 567 BST GameFreak had to nerf it somehow 💀
This is reminiscent of League of Legends Ultra Rapid Fire (URF) and then the subsequent modifications to later iterations of URF due to incredibly broken strategies of an inherently broken metagame. It's fascinating to see a sort of similar story in another game attempting a similar fun game type.
LoL player
League 🤮f legends
@@dabmonstr7403 Noice. thanks brother 👍
How about the same concept but for monotype?
Unrelated but that Gengar Focus Blast OHKOing Blissey is nuts
There's a world out there where noivern is sound type and stab boom burst put it in ubers
Even stab boomburst isn't that strong on a noivern. Noivern offensive stats suck
I remember drafting up a scarf Regen Nihilego back in the day to counter Blace. Sucker was an absolutely beautiful counter to Blace, and it's still a fun anti-meta pick to revenge kill Skewda and other frail attackers.
I used to play a lot of pure hackmons, and I’m still at a 1600 elo. The best sets I found were
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Prankster-curse-leech seed-sub-spore-leftovers-giratina
aerilate-fake out-extreme speed-ice shard-thousand arrows-lum/safety goggles-ray ray
pixilate-fake out-extreme speed-bullet punch-crunch-sash-mega diance
mold breaker-water spout-boomburst-any other 2 special moves that’s useful to a team-scarf-primal kyogre
Banded-huge power-mega mewtwo
Wonder guard is only really good on 3 mons
Gyarados with a mega band, so you start with wonder guard, you go for shell smash as long as you can, with sub-extreme speed-waterfall, when you need to you go mega, you get mold breaker, and kill everything with either a fast waterfall, or an extreme speed.
Meloetta is also good with it, it only has a weakness to dark, so you just put heal bell-leech seed-toxic-and I like recover, I also prefer using safety goggles as a counter to giratina.
And the last one that’s pretty good is a mega manectric with an air baloon, it’s unbeatable without thousand arrows or mold breaker. And I’d also give it thunderbolt-boomburst-shell smash and baton pass.
I’ve seen some people run a team of Mega Gardevoirs, and that is actually OP.
Deoxys with no guard is very overrated, because you can’t really be scarfed. So any fast scarfer beats it, you need gastro acid and a healthy brain to make it really good.
Mega gengar can do something similar to giratina, I just like the bulk, since speed isn’t important.
In my opinion, regigigas should just get own tempo or something as a hidden ability, because it’s trash even in pure hackmons, the same could be said for slaking as well, it would just need a slight nerf to it’s spdef.
Edit: wrote giratina instead of regigigas lmao.
We aren't on Reddit, nobody cares if you correct a typo, but what's most obnoxious is when you don't even correct the fucking typo and just put it at the end of the comment.
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Didn’t correct a typo, wrote the wrong pokemon lmao. And what typo?
@@jj4123 Writing the wrong word is a type of typo. Going "Edit:" to fix the problem, especially when you don't fix the problem until the fucking end, is some Reddit tier retardation.
@@jj4123 I don’t play bh but I thought regigigas was one of the biggest meta defining threats with its poison heal facade set
@@grim_blazer9120 The big problem a lot of the hyper offensive pokemon face is 4 move syndrome. And in this tier you also have 1 ability syndrome, or 6 pokemon syndrome. Status isn’t really that important in this tier unless used against wonder guard. Or with used with prankset sets. Using mold breaker or huge power over poison heal is always more useful.
You have to choose which pokemon to bring very carefully. It’s really a battle of predicting which pokemon have the tools for your tools. If both players make perfect choices, the battle will go on literally forever. So you have to decide exactly when to make the risky play.
In a metagame where things can kill you in one hit, a poison heal set is usually pretty useless, and even if it uses moves that can hit your wonderguard pokemon, aerialite/pixlilate fake out/extreme speed, is going to kill. (Giga man is really not that fast, so extreme speed from a faster mon goes first)
Regigigas’s set’s just don’t have enough utility to overshadow other more powerful pokemon.
In my opinion, the most opressive set of any pokemon is the kyogre set I mentioned earlier. It can kill any shuckle in one hit, it outspeeds most of the metagame, and can also hit through wonderguard. The only real counter is sash, which is rare and underrated in pure hackmons.
Rayquaza isn’t necessary, because any pokemon can be mega without items. It’s just very fast, and really only looses to wonder guard meloetta and prankster gengar/giratina. That’s the reason I run safety googles.
Mega diancie is really destructive in the metagame. It dies pretty quickly, which is the reason for sash. But the real danger is pixilite, it has so much utility, and also kills any meta set. Bullet punch is for fairies like diancie or xerneas. Crunch is purely for meloetta.
If pure hackmons had a 1v1 format, meloetta would be on every single team. It’s just completely impossible to break for some teams.
Mega Mewtwo X is what Regigigas tries to be. It can kill anything in one hit. It just really struggles with 1 ability syndrome, and can usually be countered pretty easily. You never want to be forced into loosing your counters before fighting it though, you’ll loose.
I always have 2-3 mons with mold breaker, because it’s necessary to break a bunch of strategies. And many abilities are too good to not use. So be very careful when choosing an ability like poison heal instead of something that makes you invincible :)
I would love to see you keep making content on OMs like Mix and Mega and AAA
mnm vids mmmmmmmm
You should do a video of how meta would shift greatly if Physical/Special split never happened
you forgot to mention skill swap + normalize gengar that beated every mon that are slower than him
doesnt seem that good
@@rithakc normalize makes all of target's moves normal type. Gengar is immune to normal types. So if skill swapped to a pokemon it gets its ability and they can't hit gengar. I kinda call it fucking op ngl
@@dabmonstr7403 ok but it can still be hit by chip damage like burn or sandstorm
I must try an Aerilate ExtremeSpeed Dragonite at least once in my life. It must be so empowering
It's legal right now so I think you should go ahead
When will theory mon Thursday return?
Thursday
I got a good one. If you use helping hand and target an opposing Pokémon, if they attack they get the boost like normal. But if they use a status move, that move is denied and they lose that turn. Almost like helping hand forces an attack move. So if they select for example calm mind. It fails. But if they attack they get the boost.
I also have a good one: What if there is a physical orb and a special orb?
The physical orb makes special moves turn into physical moves and use the physical attack stat.
The opposite is true for the special orb
@@BladeTNT2018 I feel like that make it a little op. I could see how it would be useful tho. Like having a physical water type be able to use scald. I guess it depends on those few mons that have high damage moves that are special and are physical.
@@juanfritze4808 This can be somewhat useful for pokemon who have bad movesets from one and good for the other.
Like for example, a physical attacker who has a bad physical movepool, but a great special movepool
Level one bulbasaur with sturdy and leech seed is nearly immortal
I think a list of Pokemon that are bad in a certain tier for an interesting reason like the Celebi video could be interesting.
I took park in getting noivern banned the video thumbanail wasn’t even loading and I knew aerilate boomburst noivern was the main menace
With so many bans maybe they should create an Ubers AAA tier where nothing is banned lol
I’ve got some ability ideas for abilities that will save terrible Pokémon:
-Filter and its clones: Halves damage from super effective moves.
-Illuminate: Ignores stat-protecting effects.
-Light Metal: Increases Speed by 20%, but lowers defenses by 10% each.
-Heavy Metal: Increases defenses by 10% each, but decreases Speed by 20%.
-Permafrost/Hard Ice (still thinking of what name is better): Quarters damage from Fire, Fighting, Rock, and Steel, including damage from Stealth Rock. Given to defensive Ice-types like Cryogonal and Avalugg.
-Smog Absorb: If hit by a Poison-type move, instead of taking damage, is healed by 1/4 of max HP. Given to defensive Poison-types like Swalot and Garbodor.
-Wind Rider: Give it to Shiftry already!
I kinda find it sad that Weavile is not allowed in the format that lets it run abilities that it can actually use as a fast frail physical attacker. Like, I would give it Tough Claws and Slush Rush, if it was up to me.
Yooo they actually gave Shiftry Wind Rider, congrats!
Tinted lens is BROKEN
*on the right mons.
The ability is broken because it removes the concept of resistances in Pokémon another key feature
Arena trap is broken because it prevents switching out another core mechanic
"or Water absorb togekiss which is as bad as it sounds". That one got me. Very good.
You do not fuck around with Sheer Force + Life Orb. I run it on Volcanion and very few mons can survive his might.
One of my favorite Pokémon to use is flash fire ferrothorn, heatran thinks they have won until their move does nothing and I use body press
I absolutly hate flash fire ferrothorn, one of the post annoying pokemon to deal with
This brings me back. The noivern test was the first suspect I ever participated in
I wish some of these abilities were canon
Specifically Triage Buzzswole and Arielate Dragonite/Noivern
It occurs to me that Wandering Spirit would probably be a counter to a lot of these banned threats.
No, not really. For one, wandering spirit works on contact only which doesn't stop most of the list. Of the ones it does, it doesn't matter because you take 50% or more from the first attack. Plus, they can always just switch out
A nickname of Grindr on a Buzzwole? I’d like to meet the out player who thought of that one.
This kind of a format sounds wacky and fun to play ,but is probably a nightmare in terms of team building .
Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Always bring a pokemon with mold breaker, whether it's AAA or a randomizer, it will save your life
dragonite really isnt much of a surprise when you look at the banlist of 99% of the other oms tbh
Whew, now wouldn't it be scary to see a Dragonite use STAB extremespeed! Oh god.... Oh god no... Oh no.
I remember how awful the Aerilate Dragonite metagame was, Dragonite getting banned was a blessing. There were also talks of just banning Aerilate outright (especially because of Noivern), but I felt pretty good about just getting rid of Dragonite at the time.
Lesson learned from Mega Salamence and Aerilate Dragonite: Don't give pseudo legendaries good flying type STAB moves.
@@SeriousStriker given how Gyarados use bounce for max airstream and Z-fly Landorus, the lesson is: keep good physical flying move only to Bird pokemon
0:22 it does surprise me
Huge power learned by low attack poke making them have ok attack..yeah it does
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@@derpnumbers i dont speak sign language sorry friend
You know what would be busted? Giving Gengar an immunity. Could you imagine Levitate Gengar tearing up OU? Going from being countered by ground types to checking them?
I think dragonite was the least surprising for me lol, I remember barely anything could switch into aerilite tera flying extreme speed
Hey Freezai, remember the LC team making tutorial? How about making amother video like that for another tier like NAt Dex? Would help a lot of new commers!
Melmetal in Main Sseries: [gets the best Steel move] [actually good mythical steel type] [superior design]
Melmetal in GO: pwease don't use fwamefwower togakish i'm just a wittle lump of meddal,,,,,
I really with they'd give us DIB already lol
They did and melmetal is the reason I play restricted master league only
quick suggestion: throw a quick description of the abilities when you mention them, especially the ones that are signature abilities and arent common in standard play :)
I mean doesn't he usually put the ability definition in the video
Gengar try not to get banned in some regard challenge (impossible)
The weavile one, I thought it was because of technician (boosting beat up and triple axel)
same
He mentioned it too
Technician was one of the main sets
This video reminded me clearly why I quitted showdown: I disliked a lot of ban decisions. For instance, if aeriliate makes plenty of pokemons super broken in AAA, why not just banning aeriliate instead of banning a dozen of pokemons? Also in 6G meta, I hated how landorus-T had over 50% usage in OU, I wished it got banned because it was both too versatile and meta defining, but people kept saying he was fine. Another example is zygarde: he got banned because of thousand arrows, but I wished they just banned the move and not the pokemon.
Sure after all, all these decisions can't appeal everyone, but since it's a take or go, I left.
Yeah lando t is fine due to how many pokemon can still destroy it like buzzwole, urshifu, tapu fini etc. The biggest issue is that it doesnt have any good recovery meaning you can chip away at it pretty fast
Man this tier is so damn cool
Also great video! Thanks freezing!
Dragonite Aerilate Extremespeed
Yeah that sounds OP
Weavile has always been a very powerful pokemon with an unfortunate movepool and defensive typing. If those issues are fixed it immediately becomes a huge threat; see gen 6 AAA or, for that matter, SwSh OU.
Glad u said SwSh OU. Weavile is easily one of the strongest picks rn.
It's the best swsh ou physical atker atm
@@kingforever5277 doesn’t it only lose to defensive buzzwole
I found Shedinja being banned until I thought of sturdy ...
Hi Freezai, love your videos! If I can make a small comment, triage is usually pronounced TREE-ahj.
🤓
Honestly... Regigigas could be allowed in even if he was the only Pokemon that got to use whatever ability. His stats aren't THAT high.
This really comes to show how one small change can drastically change how good a Pokémon is.
Couldn’t Melmetal run Technician over Steelworker to get strong Rock Tombs and Brutal Swings?
I was thinking the same thing. You still get technician on double iron bash right?
Banned mon :/
6:18 The only time I saw someone using legitimately Noivern as a tech for some team was me before the crown tundra dlc in sword's battlespot, and I chose it over dragapult despite being overall inferior just to win some match-ups with Airstream (a stab airstream which at the time I thought that it was a HUGE plus over dragapult), Tailwind and no dark weakness against specifically Grimmsnarl, Malamar and later in the Isle of armor, Incineroar
I want to see a list with the most drastic tier shifts some mons had between gen or mid gen releases.
6:18 STAB BOOMBURST knew it coming
Well I still to prefer my Melmetal to have Iron Fist. I like making boxing teams and of course I am foaming at the current unavailability of Hitmonchan in SV.
This video just convinced me that there's good reason none of these exist in base games.
I think alohan Raichu could be a sleep hitter, if soul heart isn't banned, it has insane coverage and is speedy, so a moveset like:
Timid, 252 speed, 252 sp.att @focus sash/life orb, soul heart
Agility
Thundershock
Psyshock
Surf
I feel like he was kinda strong in gen7 ou, he has the kit if being fast and access to nasty plot and psyshock ruining spec walls, dunno how that would translate to AAA, but feel free to try if ya wanna ^^
Problem is that there are a lot of triage mons used, most of these run leech life wich OHKO's alolan raichu, also I use a prankster drampa with nature's power and specs and he OHKO's as well
Based on the title I can tell you why wyverns banned bommburst and aerialite means stab 1.2 boomburst with tailwind set up means that with scarf or specs it’s a op sweeper
oh wow, there's a metagame where Cobalion is popular and good? this warms my heart
Mamo is a top AAA Mon? Might have to check it out ngl
been meaning to try this metagame but it's probably riddled with bs like most of them i'll prolly stick to lower tiers and meming in OU and Little cup
I wonder how aerilate Noivern would work in regular OU