The INHE Drama Makes Me Sick...

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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
  • there's nothing special about this video. I don't want to spread facts or rumors or anything watch these videos if you want to learn about the situation. But this seriously makes me sick, I hate the feeling of being attached to a community where one of the literal managers has committed these acts. Moral of the video guys, please stay safe.
    These videos sum it up:
    • TTD Manager Inhe Groom...
    • The Inhe Situation Got...

Комментарии • 697

  • @kw_il
    @kw_il 4 месяца назад +518

    Apparently, theres 5 more victims

  • @Araswastaken
    @Araswastaken 3 месяца назад +53

    4 months ago: "Why i REMOVED bemmyblox's partner"
    4 months later: "Why i REMOVED bemmyblox's pants"

  • @BakedChimez
    @BakedChimez 3 месяца назад +16

    hooplas, Thanks for always looking out for us ❤

  • @MRL-Studio
    @MRL-Studio 4 месяца назад +5

    there is also some drama in the fnaf td comunity the developer Jivid is removing devs and calling a lead dev a nobody an the owner F1reGoo cant do anything, Jivid is also promoting a competing game so yeah

  • @Cyphalopod
    @Cyphalopod 4 месяца назад +8

    I feel bad, bro is so underrated and 2 posts per day

  • @BrACANN
    @BrACANN 4 месяца назад +38

    I'm just gonna say one joke but I know this is NOT a joke but making a 15 year old do something but making racist remarks is crazy and I won't be suprised if bro turns into a minecraft youtuber but this is just weird INHE is just gross...

    • @Sinister27363
      @Sinister27363 4 месяца назад +2

      Minecraft is crazy ☠️

    • @orcaplayzsomethingidrk
      @orcaplayzsomethingidrk 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Sinister27363 But its true

    • @BrACANN
      @BrACANN 4 месяца назад

      @@Sinister27363 fr dream

    • @AngelVendrel
      @AngelVendrel 3 месяца назад

      Helll nah not just that I was playing Roblox and have a recorded some and inhe scamming not kidding

  • @Nafnapane
    @Nafnapane 4 месяца назад +18

    Hoplas im sorry that you had to hear about that. It is really traumatic even if i am just 12 And i still understand this. This has kinda been solved but not fully.roblox terminated his acc.but if toilet tower defense go down because of not having a community manager is inhe's fault.this is DISGUSTING but dont worry it wont be able to affect the game.let's just forget about it for the sake of the kids.
    So it wont make drama/hate to you.
    And hoplas dont worry to much as it can cause you stress and your viewers.
    God bless and also if you heart this comment i WILL make a mewing tv man santa tv man grinding method for endless and clock event.
    Just dont stress to much i just want you to be a good creator

    • @Abacon53
      @Abacon53 4 месяца назад +1

      Yes ty

    • @Liandymarin
      @Liandymarin 4 месяца назад +1

      👊😠👍

    • @Kid-mlg
      @Kid-mlg 4 месяца назад +1

      🥲

    • @Kid-mlg
      @Kid-mlg 4 месяца назад +1

      Made me share a tear

    • @JohnelijahFernandez
      @JohnelijahFernandez 4 месяца назад

      Im fucking ten and i never seen a p3do ever until now and i still cant forgive inhe for the trauma

  • @TaimHS
    @TaimHS 28 дней назад

    ‘’INHE INHE GO AWAY GO RIZZ 15 YEARS OLD ANOTHER DAY MOMMY SAYS ITS NOT OKAY INHE INHE GO AWAY’’🗣️🔥

  • @rahatislam4002
    @rahatislam4002 4 месяца назад +7

    Inhe was one of the main people part of telanthric's channel and its disappointing to see him like this now

    • @Feishy
      @Feishy 4 месяца назад +2

      they were friends, both having cool dominuses.. i feel bad for telanthric

    • @Noobie_321
      @Noobie_321 4 месяца назад

      Besides inhe being telanthric's best friend, he didn't rlly do anything and i mean ANYTHING for ttd

    • @onlinerobloxkid
      @onlinerobloxkid 4 месяца назад

      inhe kinda brought a whole lot of nothing except of being friends with telachric

    • @Pony_PlayZ12
      @Pony_PlayZ12 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@FeishyYeah I feel bad for Telanthric, IamEvan and the minors who got groomed

    • @yocosmicstar
      @yocosmicstar 3 месяца назад

      yo wsp

  • @InfiniteGluttony
    @InfiniteGluttony 3 месяца назад +4

    I love how bro just Causally basically plays an asmr attention retaining game for the video😭💀😈😈🍄

  • @LifeIsRoblox78
    @LifeIsRoblox78 2 месяца назад +1

    Inhe makes me sick even though I don’t have a cold🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @Xaxaxaxa-w1p
    @Xaxaxaxa-w1p 13 дней назад

    This is why I quit TTD but still watches

  • @codmastermovies3708
    @codmastermovies3708 4 месяца назад +4

    I was wondering why they got rid of inhe’s boat in the endless lava lake then I saw this and it made alot of sense

  • @Cogs_Works
    @Cogs_Works 4 месяца назад +7

    Inhe is literally a discord mod how did we not know

  • @laimonaslb
    @laimonaslb 2 месяца назад

    Tyler was a good friend on my channel years ago, what a disturbing downfall….

  • @Voltrix.3
    @Voltrix.3 4 месяца назад +21

    2 videos a day is crazy

    • @ballerslapbattles
      @ballerslapbattles 4 месяца назад

      yo bro why did u quit ttd?

    • @Voltrix.3
      @Voltrix.3 4 месяца назад

      @@ballerslapbattles it's a boring ah game

    • @ballerslapbattles
      @ballerslapbattles 4 месяца назад

      @@Voltrix.3 what about the titan sigma giveaway

    • @Voltrix.3
      @Voltrix.3 4 месяца назад

      @@ballerslapbattles gone into atoms

    • @ballerslapbattles
      @ballerslapbattles 4 месяца назад

      @@Voltrix.3 rip but how tho?

  • @HOW10873
    @HOW10873 4 месяца назад +1

    That's why we shouldn't trust ANYONE in the internet, you don't know what might happen, we are blinded by their power and influence that will lead us to trust those strangers.

  • @stephadamroberts
    @stephadamroberts 2 месяца назад +1

    Play toilet tower defence❌
    Play with 15 year old girls✅

  • @KhangLe-p2t
    @KhangLe-p2t 4 месяца назад +2

    looking back at inhe old video i see that telanthric was still his friend and this makes me sad because one of telanthrics best friends is now gone but what inhe did was gross he should be locked up immediately

    • @midnightexe7248
      @midnightexe7248 2 месяца назад

      it must feel even worse to know that your best friend is a pedo

  • @locosword3985
    @locosword3985 2 месяца назад

    Ngl glad I found this Hoplas video by accident, this just gives me more respect to Hoplas, he’s a genuine guy, he makes some goofs but he’s actually really good.

  • @November_rain19
    @November_rain19 4 месяца назад +8

    the moment I return to the ttd community this happens

  • @Noob_with_AK-47
    @Noob_with_AK-47 4 месяца назад +21

    Inhe like toliet tower defense because he know there's alot kids on this game💀

    • @Jts587
      @Jts587 3 месяца назад +1

      Fr, That’s Why I Like It
      (Mods An Joke)

    • @UltraDetainersimp
      @UltraDetainersimp 3 месяца назад +1

      Because skibidi toilet generally have a lot of fans that are minors

  • @Letmesleep.1994
    @Letmesleep.1994 4 месяца назад +1

    Back when I first knew about inhe I respected him for some many reasons and I thought nothing would go wrong until. He pulled a EDP445.

  • @ULTRA_EDITZ2009
    @ULTRA_EDITZ2009 4 месяца назад +1

    Bro I’m 16 and I realised how messed up this is

  • @therandomgamermonkey6259
    @therandomgamermonkey6259 4 месяца назад

    Imagine your friend probably for years just to do that “stuff”

  • @DnxyalPrime
    @DnxyalPrime 4 месяца назад +2

    W video|
    the ending make me smile
    you area great youtuber i may not know if you bad on the other side
    but i like your video man keep grinding!

  • @YoitsIsHereBestays
    @YoitsIsHereBestays 3 месяца назад

    4 months ago:Why i REMOVED bemmyblox’s partner
    1 month ago: Why i REMOVED a 15 years old pants

  • @Jack-me167
    @Jack-me167 3 месяца назад

    I would resist if anyone tries to uh do "that thing" at me. I think people at the internet must learn and stand up for this. Dont be afraid to get evidence, spread them. Do not keep them personally, people must realise.

  • @AdamRamiro-qx4jk
    @AdamRamiro-qx4jk 4 месяца назад +1

    Now I feel bad for the people who lost their partner

  • @salvadorcastro2962
    @salvadorcastro2962 4 месяца назад +4

    4:01 fr. I used to watch Telanthric when he made videos on bedwars and in a lot of his videos Inhe was part of them. I would've never expected Inhe doing such things like that.
    I honestly wouldn't called them ''victims'' as they didn't resist or anything, one literally wrote ''>.

  • @laimonaslb
    @laimonaslb 2 месяца назад

    Bruh Tyler was 16 like 5+ years ago…

  • @BenDovet-fb4uj
    @BenDovet-fb4uj 3 месяца назад

    When I watched telanthric when he was playing bedwars and he was chill in the videos seeing this kinda breaks my heart NGL

  • @Crack_Dmc
    @Crack_Dmc 3 месяца назад

    As a 15 year old who I would dare someone to actually try victimise me and see what happens I completely agree with Hooplas arguement againest this pathetic pedos behaviour, thank you for stepping forward Hooplas and using your platform to provide safety for all of us minors.

  • @Ir1s.
    @Ir1s. 3 месяца назад +4

    6 YEARS OLD ?????

  • @Ultrademon_playz
    @Ultrademon_playz 4 месяца назад +1

    Ngl , i knew there were scammers but i didnt know inhe was one. I feel bad but justice must be delivered

  • @SubhanMussadiq
    @SubhanMussadiq 4 месяца назад +1

    I used to look up to inhe I thought he is a great community manager but now he isn't worthy enough to have this success

    • @ezekiel9323
      @ezekiel9323 4 месяца назад

      same bro, until I heard the news

  • @EpricMemer69420
    @EpricMemer69420 4 месяца назад +1

    Notive - NotOutsideOfJail
    Inhe - InsideOfJail
    Kokenokitten - HasManyE-Kittens

    • @F.B.I._Real
      @F.B.I._Real 4 месяца назад

      Mr. obvious : DONT FORGET ABOUT ME

    • @EpricMemer69420
      @EpricMemer69420 4 месяца назад

      Mr obvious - Mr ObviousPredator

  • @Rattymcratster
    @Rattymcratster 4 месяца назад +1

    At first i thought inhe wasnt getting removed but im so happy that inhe is gone

  • @19fluffypancakes
    @19fluffypancakes 4 месяца назад +1

    BemmyBlox should take Inhe’s place as the community Manager.

  • @justyourtypicalperson
    @justyourtypicalperson 4 месяца назад +2

    hoplas inhe had about 5 victims over the years as community manager in all telanthrics discord servers he even paid a 16yo to go to a condo game with him and do (fun things) i cant say it because i would get banned on yt

  • @enricpaulpableosantos9470
    @enricpaulpableosantos9470 4 месяца назад

    Now ttd has no community manager.
    Ttd is at risk of being deleted.
    They need to get a new community manager quickly

  • @naushadshahid9550
    @naushadshahid9550 4 месяца назад +4

    Inhe was a great person.... I was like "oh telanthric and evan did the right thing hiring him he is nice :) " but after hearing this I started hating him. Because becoming a big person and he thought now he could do anything and no one will know 😏 I got mad of this p**oness (idk if this is a word 😅) and if you don't know..... My sis was another victim.... Before the guy who took the first exposed pic...... Be careful out there.. BUT there is something that no one talks about....what if inhe didn't do anything and he got hacked or something becausee you don't really know the actual truth behind somebody... But be careful.....
    Edit: YO i got 3 likes insane good because maybe hoplas might see this

    • @Pony_PlayZ12
      @Pony_PlayZ12 4 месяца назад +1

      Your sister was a victim too?I feel bad for you

    • @naushadshahid9550
      @naushadshahid9550 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah I did confront him and she is... 16 I think the same age of the girl in the first exposed pic. If she would be 18 then idk if this would be okay... But if he does this to your sis just confront him

    • @Pony_PlayZ12
      @Pony_PlayZ12 4 месяца назад +1

      @@naushadshahid9550 It's never okay if he did it,He should be in prison,Also My Sister only played roblox in 2020 then she stopped playing it and played it one last time in a new account idk probably 2022-2024

    • @naushadshahid9550
      @naushadshahid9550 4 месяца назад +1

      Maybe yeah, he should be in jail. When I was little I almost got kidnapped... Be careful.. Also you never know he might been hacked by a predator who know? Am I right?

    • @Pony_PlayZ12
      @Pony_PlayZ12 4 месяца назад

      @@naushadshahid9550 Bro are you okay?

  • @billnesh
    @billnesh 3 месяца назад +1

    i hate inhe the stuff he did to the 15 year old girl i feel bad

  • @joeyandali9930
    @joeyandali9930 3 месяца назад

    Pet sim 99 had drama with hackers getting shiny rainbow titanics and now ttd? Somebody is cursing the biggest games

  • @emilythesunflower8693
    @emilythesunflower8693 4 месяца назад

    The stuff inhe said is horrible, he is also back as a community manager on ttd which is making me quit the game overall

  • @cool-kid-2018
    @cool-kid-2018 4 месяца назад +1

    Amazing video😊
    But I knew something was mest up with Inhe😡

  • @ProdostarX
    @ProdostarX 3 месяца назад

    TTD vids in 2023:trying to beat nightmare mode , tring to get all mythics , goong from common to legendary
    2024: why ttd is dying , they shouldnt have added ultimates , why were removing partners , Inhe drama.

  • @JustGD_08
    @JustGD_08 3 месяца назад

    A tip : if anyone does anything like this to you block them

  • @theodorholte
    @theodorholte 4 месяца назад +9

    Yay! Hes not quiting TDD..

    • @NatHan-hr8cu
      @NatHan-hr8cu 4 месяца назад +1

      What the problem About that huh ******

    • @Cozmo_GT70
      @Cozmo_GT70 4 месяца назад

      Don’t you mean tdd

    • @NatHan-hr8cu
      @NatHan-hr8cu 4 месяца назад

      @@Cozmo_GT70 bro is the same like tdd toilet tower defense TDD TOILET TOWER DEFENSE

    • @glenahmariereal9331
      @glenahmariereal9331 Месяц назад

      Yall iys ttd

  • @HammyGaming-cx9tm
    @HammyGaming-cx9tm 4 месяца назад +3

    can we just talk about the fact that bro is playing a game about balls 💀?

    • @Tyranno10
      @Tyranno10 4 месяца назад +1

      This is serious bro no time to talk about hoplas playing a game about balls 💀

    • @Bread_069
      @Bread_069 4 месяца назад

      @@Tyranno10💀

    • @Freemyboycat
      @Freemyboycat 4 месяца назад

      why do kids sexualize even marbles now

    • @Manface_localman
      @Manface_localman 4 месяца назад

      ​@Tyranno10 well if that's the case get ready to oil up

    • @AnaBirtha
      @AnaBirtha 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Manface_localmanBRO WHATT💀

  • @Adam...2we
    @Adam...2we 4 месяца назад +3

    under 10 hours
    👇👇👇

  • @TheReal_CelestialWolfGacha
    @TheReal_CelestialWolfGacha 4 месяца назад

    They better give Bemmys Partner back now. 😡

    • @Swsh136VR
      @Swsh136VR 4 месяца назад

      They won’t do it

  • @bobplayz5570
    @bobplayz5570 4 месяца назад +1

    I completely agree and I’m the 700th like XD

  • @Bubby79
    @Bubby79 4 месяца назад +1

    correction: inhe was banned by roblox, not removed from the group

    • @Ryzz711
      @Ryzz711 3 месяца назад

      His roblox account is deleted by roblox

    • @Bubby79
      @Bubby79 3 месяца назад

      @@Ryzz711 yes i know, thats what i said.

  • @equipTD
    @equipTD 4 месяца назад +2

    very true i agree, thank you for talking about this.

    • @Dormi_Animations
      @Dormi_Animations 4 месяца назад

      Yeah it's crazy I never thought inhe would do that tbh

    • @Da.real.SD.N
      @Da.real.SD.N 4 месяца назад

      Yeah that's crazy I thought he was a normal youtuber that male's ttd video's before the inhe situation but no he is a pe#o a creep a groo#er

    • @ShadowTheHedgehogB
      @ShadowTheHedgehogB 4 месяца назад

      @@Dormi_Animations same

  • @DJSkully2000
    @DJSkully2000 4 месяца назад

    Man ive already watched to managers for 2 different teams become creeps i dont know whats happening

  • @Male07Edits
    @Male07Edits 4 месяца назад

    There is a reason why ttd added 1 more addable unit slot to place in endless💀

  • @OfficalBlakeGames
    @OfficalBlakeGames 4 месяца назад

    HE DESERVED THAT FOR REMOVING BEMMYS PARTNER

  • @Jaydet2031
    @Jaydet2031 4 месяца назад +3

    Hello hoplas! Ur vids are always great

  • @afsahnawsheen372
    @afsahnawsheen372 4 месяца назад

    I'm guessing the name is blurred out and the blur is so short i have a feeling the 15 year olds name is MIA

  • @lyllianlayann1223
    @lyllianlayann1223 3 месяца назад

    for girl who play ttd: if you meet inhe just leave rn he is a predator.....

  • @hisyamudinbinharunstudent7456
    @hisyamudinbinharunstudent7456 3 месяца назад

    kids are litteraly playing ttd and is a fan of inhe and just drama spreads, they dont even know what “groom” means, poor kids.

  • @LorenzoGeneral
    @LorenzoGeneral 4 месяца назад +1

    Inhe went to seeing his friend lose partner in psx then taking partner away from bemmyblox in ttd and now taking pants off

  • @Nevergiveup79024
    @Nevergiveup79024 4 месяца назад

    Telahantric should give this man a partner

  • @Bonkchoy27
    @Bonkchoy27 Месяц назад

    Inhe --> Inher -->Injail

  • @Icaca_1
    @Icaca_1 4 месяца назад +4

    Inhe? More like injail

  • @logan1244
    @logan1244 4 месяца назад +1

    If this is all true he needs to be locked Behind Bars

  • @Dracoois
    @Dracoois 2 месяца назад

    An arsenal/blade ball RUclipsr I looked up to as a kid turned out to be a scammer and pedo UNPREDICTABLE FPS😭😭😭😭

  • @Doctor_Kleiner0
    @Doctor_Kleiner0 2 месяца назад

    I remember I met inhe on my actually VERY first game on ttd

  • @NUGS76254
    @NUGS76254 4 месяца назад +3

    Bro ur video is so good keep posting! U need to make video alot of not because the viewer deserve the videos u make but u deserved peace and happiness😊

  • @Adamgamer42069
    @Adamgamer42069 4 месяца назад +1

    Waot thats just a 5 year difference how is that grooming?

  • @FastNfurious00
    @FastNfurious00 3 месяца назад

    bad guy❌️
    monster✅️

  • @jembobs7666
    @jembobs7666 4 месяца назад +1

    Inhe is literally disgusting, He just made ‘some’ click bait videos. And basically all he did for the for the community was make the game look bad. HE LITERALLY SUCKS. PLUS HIS AVATAR IS JUST A RIP-OFF TELANTHRIC (this part probably wasn’t important.)

  • @dbplayz1446
    @dbplayz1446 3 месяца назад

    Istg if Inhe tries to find a way to defend himself he’s digging his own grave lil bro is already cooked 💀

  • @wildfire5831
    @wildfire5831 4 месяца назад +1

    Notive vibes man

  • @laimonaslb
    @laimonaslb 2 месяца назад

    Inhe was 16 in 2018 not 2020… I should make a video because I actually know him……

  • @RobloxLover902
    @RobloxLover902 4 месяца назад +1

    I will still support him because he's innocent, all these people are liars!

    • @dbplayz1446
      @dbplayz1446 3 месяца назад +1

      Lil bro it’s over for him just accept it at first it shocked me but it’s all true💀

  • @Shintai_YT
    @Shintai_YT 4 месяца назад

    Make Hoplas new community manger for speaking out about this.

  • @kenanharveybayona2295
    @kenanharveybayona2295 3 месяца назад

    6 year old, that's crazy💀

  • @tournkomvireakreach
    @tournkomvireakreach 4 месяца назад +2

    inhe drama = good movie

  • @amayahburton3217
    @amayahburton3217 3 месяца назад

    6 year old my love for inhe is gone 😢

  • @kathandardanellepelobello5267
    @kathandardanellepelobello5267 4 месяца назад +4

    MORE INHE DRAMA!!!

  • @AngelroseFurever
    @AngelroseFurever 3 месяца назад

    I have a big question. Has ANYONE confirmed that the account that predated teens actually the real Inhe?

  • @AlbertoZacatenco
    @AlbertoZacatenco 3 месяца назад

    Inhe used to be so funny😭 but justice MUST BE SERVED✊✊✊✊

  • @AnthonyHiiinoob
    @AnthonyHiiinoob 4 месяца назад +1

    So does that mean his YT is getting banned

    • @AnthonyHiiinoob
      @AnthonyHiiinoob 4 месяца назад

      yt stands for RUclips I think

    • @amyharrison9763
      @amyharrison9763 4 месяца назад

      stuu pid yt is youtube what else i think e condo a girl thats 16 thsn make drama💀@@AnthonyHiiinoob

    • @JakeWextra
      @JakeWextra 4 месяца назад

      It does

    • @AnthonyHiiinoob
      @AnthonyHiiinoob 4 месяца назад

      @@JakeWextra ok ty

  • @marymargaretrhodes7376
    @marymargaretrhodes7376 4 месяца назад

    I literally didn’t know any of this happens and I wish I didn’t.

  • @newbloxandmexi01
    @newbloxandmexi01 3 месяца назад

    If my discord dms got leaked.
    Deathsentence straight up

  • @nerdzikpro
    @nerdzikpro 4 месяца назад +4

    that marble game is the best

  • @nicoledidaniele7895
    @nicoledidaniele7895 4 месяца назад +13

    Poor 15 year old girl.....😭 Btw inhe bribed the girl with robux to do bad stuff in a con game.....😧

    • @ninjajethrotheo6272
      @ninjajethrotheo6272 4 месяца назад +2

      Well it's also a bit of fault of the girl since she agree and didn't say for some time

    • @Prrovokker
      @Prrovokker 4 месяца назад +2

      Its kinda her fault for just accepting the robux

    • @Ilija15934
      @Ilija15934 4 месяца назад

      @@Prrovokkerikr these kids these days like before I found out about the inhe situation now I unsubed from inhe

    • @demonbro7518
      @demonbro7518 4 месяца назад

      it was treatment😏 and atlest she got Robox and it was just Roblox it’s not real life

    • @Mr_Nateeeeeeee
      @Mr_Nateeeeeeee 4 месяца назад +1

      the girl is just so dumb 💀

  • @Nanobread471
    @Nanobread471 4 месяца назад +1

    it's not even funny bro, like imagine preston aka the owner of pet sim 99 just dm you and give you like idk 100k robux just to play a con game with him

  • @Tango_lovesnuggets
    @Tango_lovesnuggets 2 месяца назад

    I almost quit as well cus when i found out inhe was a creep i nearly quit playing ttd and started playing skibidi tower defense but since inhe is removed from the group i still play toilet tower defense

  • @mohammadreza7852
    @mohammadreza7852 3 месяца назад

    this is the first time I AM LISTENING TO THIS WHAT

  • @Adrianssodumb
    @Adrianssodumb 3 месяца назад

    Hoplas becoming a comentary yt is a w

  • @orangemaneq
    @orangemaneq 3 месяца назад

    soon she'll be 15 years old

  • @PamelaDelacruz-do1fc
    @PamelaDelacruz-do1fc 4 месяца назад +36

    Who thinks hoplas2 ma's be a partner

  • @WhoStoleMyToastonrblx
    @WhoStoleMyToastonrblx 4 месяца назад

    Game in the background: marble racing with 100 marbles

  • @thefiles1000
    @thefiles1000 4 месяца назад +1

    I dont know the situation with inhw yet

  • @JulianBarajas-kk2wi
    @JulianBarajas-kk2wi 2 месяца назад

    This is nonsense to say but what was that marble run game

  • @laimajonkiene9576
    @laimajonkiene9576 4 месяца назад

    Its time for to join everyone else who has been exposed

  • @TheAllMightyTabby
    @TheAllMightyTabby 4 месяца назад +1

    Ruben sim is NEVER wrong