How to Slash Your Electricity Bill with LED Tubes
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- The fastest lighting energy reduction payback we've ever seen. We replaced a traditional T8 fluorescent tube with a Philips CorePro T8 Led tube.
Replacing T8 fluorescent tubes is an easy process that, as we find out in this video, yields excellent energy savings.
== Chapters =====================
00:00 Replaceing fluoresent tube with led tubes
01:40 What is the return on investment - no rewiring
02:00 Why a retrofit is often the best solution
02:30 Power consumption of 58 Watt fluoresecent T8 tube
03:50 Running costs of existing fluoresent fixtures
06:16 Fitting and LED tube to conventional control gear with starter
07:20 Conventional gear and universal tube options
08:10 Emergency conversion option?
08:40 You may want to replace existing control gear - direct to mains
09:20 Power consumption Philips Corepro LED tube
10:35 Massive energy cost savings
11:50 LED tube retrofit process.
13:00 Philips safety approvals
13:50 Colour temperature options
14:14 It's the end of the road for fluorescent tubes
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Part 2 of this series is out now - DON'T cut the Wire - CALL the ballast disposal squad!
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Great advice👍. Ive been doing this for a few years now. Amazing how technology has moved on. I Changed a 12W BC LED Lamp at home to a 18W LED for my wife to see better working at home. Even with the greater light output, the efficiency of the fitting was significantly better, with less current draw. I worked out the replacement lamp would pay for itself in 8 months!
Years ago a client of my work had us change loads in his shops. We had to bypass all the ballast and starter which with the time cost a bit. He then decided to to do this himself with the tube and starter. He then wanted more lights and we was checking the current and was shocked how much was lost via the ballast. We found that bypassing the ballast made more savings
Absolutely brilliant , I have been looking into doing this for my daughter as she has two Florissant’s in her kitchen / dinner. But I can’t find the right replacement LED tubes
I love this video well done guy’s
Brilliant video as always ❤️❤️👍👍👍👍
Great video and I like the easy conversion by removing the control gear, a proper money saver in materials and energy used 👍
See part 2 - DON'T cut the Wire - CALL the ballast disposal squad!
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great video, I'm just about to do a similar video for my customers to show the benefit of changing to LED in terms of cost saving.
Keep up the good work people
Swapped the 1200mm tube in my kitchen years ago when they were new and is still working fine. No difference in light intensity but at least half the power to 18W instead of 40W. Left the ballast or inductor in as it would reduce the inrush current. I have quite a number of LED lamps in the house and a few have failed mainly due the input filter.
Great money saving idea. Help customers save money means more paying work for the electrician.
A good video I give free energy saving advise and highlight the standard 4 GU10 halogen track fitted in the kitchen converted to LED goes from 200watts to 20watts but with the newer LED lamps is 16watts. Its not easy though as customer mentality is "Why do I want to change a working bulb"
My calculation for kitchen spots was 3 hours a day on average with a £12 conversion cost
I fit a 120cm Philips LED replacement batten a couple of years ago, bypassing the existing ballast and starter. It’s still going strong, I only wish more attractive, diffused fixtures for battens were available. They’re usually either very bulky (possibly extra IK protection for industrial use) or just very curvy-plasticy. The old one I want to replace, the diffuser’s yellowed and I very much doubt they still make replacement parts.
Great videos guys.
Used many LED tubes when they first appeared on the market but never really got on with them and customers didn’t think the light out put was that great. But these look really good and for the price are a no brainier.
The mains option LED (blue end) what is that like on energy consumption when still using a Mag ballast vs to taking the ballast out ?
Great video ⚡⚡⚡👍
Super video- would be good to publish a table of the cost of running different lights - a good rule of thumb for lights is 1w equates to £1 (based on 9hours a day) - so £50 for a 50 watt fitting. More than Double that for appliances that are left on 24/7 such as items on standby…..
I have that very thing in my kitchen light fitting, I wired mine direct.👍🏻😎🐔
Retrofit led tubes are great at energy saving. A standard 5ft tube will usually be rated at either 18 or 20 watts depending on the manufacturer. While the ordinary gas filled tubes of the same length are rated at 58 or 65 watts.
And how many lumens? From everything I've seen, LED retrofits produce around 37% less light than the t8 fluorescent they are replacing.
Thanks for this good video. Mr. Arkwright from Open All Hours (and me!) would like lke to know how to save more electricity, as the energy pricing is getting higher and higher. As you guys have the equipements to measure, could you compare boiling 250cc hot water for making a cup of tea, at 5 different times through out the day, and compare to boiling all 1250cc in one go, drink the first cup (250cc) and pour the rest 1000cc of that hot water into a flask, to consume through out the day, which one actually consumes less electricity? Assuming it is a fast kettle of 3000w, but a low-end cheap model, as it is Mr. Arkwright asking...
To be fair, the net energy savings seen by replacing indoor lighting is more complicated than discussed here. The extra energy used by the older fittings at the end of the day is heat that is added to the interior space. In the summer avoiding this extra heat is great - the space will stay cooler. But, in the winter the heat will have to be provided by another source - eating into your savings. Upgrading is still a win, just not as big a one.
*do you import voltage surge protector?*
But look at the power factor as we know smart meters can be changed to apparent power ( I belive they will at some date spon)
Are these available with external drivers? If not do you know of any that are?
That old fitting was designed to be used with the large diameter 65 watt tubes.
In all fairness I don’t know what make they are but I have seen these used in quite a few shops. The light output is a diabolical colour, almost burns your eyes out. In fact our local WH Smith had them ,not for long though. They changed the whole fittings in the end .As I said I have no idea of the make.
LED's are the death of warm white. Something to do with the lumens per watt is better with cold white.
As a DIYer I follow you channel to get safe tips on domestic electricity. I have three fluorescent lights in my garage and found this video really useful. So will be going for universal tubes to replace the ones I have. I won’t be messing about removing the ballast etc: because the amount of time they are on the saving would hardly be noticed. But the tubes themselves would be worth the saving.
We replaced a lot of tubes as you are in a shoe factory in Northampton (they supplied tubes) with those Philips ones the output was impressive compared to other cheap brands I have seen however I never got to get to the bottom of what to do with the emergency fittings?
Great feedback👍
Philips? You surely mean Signify, the Chinese company who trade under the Philips marque? All the best with that. Do be sure to keep the receipt.
David what brand would you recommend?
Signify (head quarters - Netherlands) is the new name adopted when Philips split the business a few years ago. Philips is now a healthcare business. The former Philips Lighting is now Signify - www.signify.com/global - but still use the Philips brand for the products.
All LED tubes are chinese. Many factories around the globe closed when fluorescent tubes stopped being made. Now all made in china. Every LED is made in China.
You didn't mention how much the new parts cost to buy....would be nice to know in terms of payback!
Been doing the swap for years ... flouries are so out dated.. the led tube replacements tend to last 3-5 years (i only fit branded) .. amazing how many shops are still running 2700k flouries.... its a cheap alternative to a new fitting but from experience new fittings last longer .... Gordon been raiding his old workshop .. don't see a cliff quicktest very often
Love a quick test 👍
You don't see 2700k fluorescent tubes used in stores very often! Normally they are 3500k at the warmest.
What's the price of the led tubes you used?
Would be interesting to see how much difference bypassing the ballast makes.
Tune in later today!
With changing the LED tubes, you would still have 240v at each end right??? So if you had a driver built into an led tube wouldn’t you have to make it so only one end of the lamp holders has 240v so you don’t blow any lamps up?
Only one end of the tube is connected internally, the pins on the other end are purely to hold it into the fitting.
I wont replace my always on cfl's in the bunker...they last forever if not turned off/on. Leds do burn out faster if left on all the time.
I think the spray was called 'Electrolube' spray for contacts and there was also an 'Electrolube' grease spray
Ah yes - we’ll remembered 👍
Looking forward to the follow-up - how much more power would be saved by removing the ballast and going direct to mains?
Also, what's the realistic payback time? Amazon price suggests ~6 months (excluding any labour costs). Other solutions might even halve that. On the other hand replacing the ballast with a driver is more expensive initially subsequent replacement lamps are even cheaper.
Great way to save energy and good information- but not including the approximate cost of the tube and starter does not give a full flavour for the savings, I found similar ones between £5 and £20 per tube for 1500mm with starters. I would assume the project payback time would be between 9 and 18mo and greater savings after 5yrs when those battens are still going (hopefully with no flashing tubes).
The way NOT to do it - is to replace all of your standard tubes with ultrathin ones (with adapter caps), replace them again 2yrs later with LED tubes (with different adapter caps), then replace the whole lot all over again a further 2yrs down the line with LED panels with occupancy detection! It saves energy, but does not save money!
The payback on our example is around 3 months using the EM type Philips LED tubes (£10 each)
Remember to price in lots of twist lamp holders as more than likely an awful lot of them will be perished and fail when you install the new tube.
Jolly good show.
How much did it cost to properly dispose of the old tubes?
In Finland the amount of fuel it takes to drive to the recycling center that is owned by the government. Most electronic waste is taken care of free of charge, and also a lot of dangerous waste like old oil, chemicals
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In the UK, Businesses have to pay to dispose of fluorescent tubes &, where I live, they’re also classified as hazardous waste meaning you have to get a special licence & pay the appropriate charges when tipping too plus all the health & safety assessments & equipment that goes with it. If you take them home & store them, that’s another licence… it gets expensive!
@@jonathanrose456 I also read somewhere someone got fined because he didn't have a license to collect garbage. Because he had his own plastic bag with waste like lunch packaging etc...
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Wouldn’t surprise me.
I know a guy that got fined for taking a sofa down the tip. The sofa… it had been fly-tipped in his back lane!
One of his mistakes was using a commercial waste bag instead of a domestic one.
have a 1966 atlas atlantic 3 in my kitchen, 8 foot 85 watt quickstart 🙂
What is quickstart? Is it like magnetic rapid start?
@@gregorymalchuk272 a quickstart ballast is an old 1960's early 1970's instant start ballast , no starter involved in the circuit, live neutral into the ballast 2 pairs of lamp holder outputs to each end of the tube, the tube lights instantly no flicker, SRS (semi resonant start ) was a simelar gear type, though the tube starts warmly like a slow fade up to full brightness, that circuit uses an 8.4uf capacitor in series with the ballast .
What's the cost of the 10 tubes, to calculate that into the full cost of the install?
www.cp-lighting.co.uk/s.nl?sc=12&category=79104928&search=T8%20corepro
Today, I can only dream of 25p per kwh. Savings are going to be huge now.
I have a whole industrial unit kitted out with 60s and 80s fluorescent and MBFR fittings. Occasionally one starter may play up but in the few years that's all I have had to do. The buy back time in low use applications is negligible. Also I don't get on with led for hertz flickering and the colour rendering isn't the best at all on most lower grade stuff. Also on most led tubes the lumen rating of a 4ft tube is alot less than its equivalent fluorescent counterpart. So in some cases to get the same our put will require 2 led tubes to replace 1 fluorescent tube. So there's an added cost of two tubes a replacement fitting let's say... So not as cost effective as it seems.
Some people I know have gone back to fluorescent tubes after an led tube failed in a few months of installation. Also a fluorescent tube is easy for someone untrained to replace. So if one end is live permanently compared to a normal fluorescent fitting and some one unknown fitted a fluorescent tube back in and bang.
So I'd only bypass in a commercial environment.
Domestic I'd just use the starter shunt and shove led tube in.
That's what I don't get. Most LED retrofits are 37% dimmer than the T8 fluorescent they are replacing. A 4 foot fluorescent tube is 2900 lumens. A 4 foot led retrofit produces maybe 1800 lumens.
Whats the lumen output of each lamp? The test means nothing unless the lumens of each lamp are equal or similar!
I changed about 100 in a toyshop a few years back to 4000k, no light difference noticed, tubes cost £12, saved £17 each in the first year, so thats cost of tube + £5. £17 next year, tubes guaranteed for 5 years, only had a few fail, none in the first 2 years.
I've seen them have 37% less light than the T8 fluorescent that they replace.
I use 950 a little bit expensive
But more like Sun colour
5.000 Kelvin
I think the video would have benefited from a complete run through of the costs (and savings). Would make it easier for end-users to follow and give electricians a worked example to use with their potential customers. Chatting about the numbers is not as effective IMHO as displaying them on the screen. Great video otherwise and vitally important.
These calculations overestimate the savings. A 1500 fluorescent gives out 5200 lumen for the 70 W if it has a magnetic ballast. The CorePro 1500 only gives out 2700 lumen for a measured 24 W. So if you want the same light output, you need to use a double fitting with 2 x CorePro 1500, so the power draw will go down from 70 W to 48 W.
So your cost for the same light output goes from £54.60 to £37.44, call it a saving of £17 a year for each tube and £170 for the 10 tubes.
Bearing in mind your pair of tubes will cost you £15 and the hassle of the extra holder, there is no obvious and early saving by swapping from fluorescent tubes to LED because the tubular LED.
If your original fitting is a high output T5 with an electronic ballast, that's 4300 lumens at 48 W and savings do not cover the costs of replacement.
From an energy point of view, there's nothing wrong with modern fluorescent fittings. I suspect the reason for banning them is mercury panic.
Aren’t these going to be illegal to buy/sell under the new regs?
Why so ?
Do they do an Oven, hob or immersion heater for real savings 😂
Don't forget that with time the light output of a fluorescent tube reduces.
Light output from LED diminishes with time as well. It just takes a bit longer.
@@rob19632 Yes, I remember it being on another eFIXX video but I don't think it is as much as LED or not what I have noticed however I guess some makes are better than others
@@anthonybragg on display LEDs it might say something like L70 of 25000 hours which means after 25000 hours average light output will have dropped to 70%
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Hate LED tubes, all a cold, unvibrant light. Dont illuminate the ceiling, making places feel darker too. That shop looks less welcoming and warm with those LED tubes.
You can buy the tubes in warm white, cool white or daylight white.
@@stuartrhoades4306 I know, but people always go for the cheapest ones, of which are cold white and never as bright!
It looks a lot better than when we started - tubes out and mixed colour temperatures.
@@efixx Didnt look it from the before and after parts of the vid.
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Well its a nice video, back about 25 years ago I worked in Philips' largest fluorescent lamp plant, in Salina, Kansas. Was so interesting to watch sand turn into glass and the bulbs to take shape and then get packed into boxes and watch the robots move them around the warehouse. We made 4' tubes and 8' tubes at that facility.
I have swapped all my tubes to mains powered LED retrofit bulbs, can remove all the ballasts and just direct wire them. Just have to make sure the tombstones are not shunted.
Just a FYI that as of 4/2022 our power here in Texas runs just under $0.11/kWh with no time of day changes. If I change plans we can go to $0.154 during the day then nights (10pm-6am) and weekends for free, you can use all you want for zero cost. That is why solar is a hard sell here, the payback at these rates are hard to payback in any realistic time.
Thanks for the video and anything to save money is good. Do you have any recommendations for a device we can retrofit to measure power usage?
All depends upon the application - what power level etc
@@efixx I am after something to measure power usage live, so it can be monitored. I would assume it would include a CT clamp on the feed to the consumer unit, then a display in the house. Single-phase normal domestic.