Have run them with a Judiciar. Such a monstrously threatening unit, even defensively with a heroic intervention. Against a melee focused list, there's no easy way to take them.
@@thecappeningchannel515 He gives the unit Fights first. Means if you charge them, they'll strike first. Same for a heroic intervention, meaning any unit finishing a charge within 6 inches can be punished fairly harshly. Means the only safe way to take them is with ranged damage.
Is... Is it hilarious that Asmodai works well with these guys? Like imagine them having a conversation along the lines of, "You look familiar, have we met?" "You pulled my nails out and water boarded me last year." "OH Yeah... Well it worked.... Also you cry like a female dog."
@@MightyGachiman the Lion probably told him about what he does to Chaplains who refuse his orders, Asmodai is a madman but he probably doesn't want his head punched off.
I don’t know if I’d prefer the survivability of bladeguard with the 4+ invul or the swords of the companions, I guess I wouldn’t really have a choice since I’m not a DA player,
Also now that theyre good, you can use a ton of the heresy era dark angels kits to represent them too. I love the ICC models but theres a ton of good DA sculpts from FW too!
Speaking of I wonder if they'll make Sanguinary Guard into basically the Defensive version of these guys with the squad reduction. Maybe they'll be nice and give the Victrix Honor Guard FNP but probably not.
40k players do complain, but I have to say the Sanguinary guard are quite disappointing. The look like assault intercessors cosplaying as Custodes. They're fairly bland and insipid.
@CuriousLumenwood I think it's fair of me to diss a brand new sculpt when there's a different one that serves the same role which looks a lot better. It shows they can do better and calling them out when they drop the ball is better for both the company and the consumer
As a BT player, I approve, it was fun being awesome for a lil bit with our range refresh, but now all the poster boys make us vanilla af.. sad for you as well as white scars, raven guard, etc, etc, etc...
It’s not a top choice for competitive play, but it’s worth noting that you can attach a standard tacticus apothecary to these guys. A lot of people are salty that you can’t attach the apothecary to bladeguard, but there is no such restriction here!
Get three extra bodies with robes or such like company heros, keep the captain and ancient for characters and use the other 3 bodies to make 3 more ICC with the leftover bits
Bladeguard work amazingly well to make the most of all the extra arms options. I know for a while they were pretty expensive even secondhand but might be worth looking into.
For leaders there are three great options: Judiciar Chaplain Asmodai Judiciar gives first first and will enjoy hitting characters on 2s to start racking up extra attacks. Chaplain gives them +1 to wound, so a great stack buff to allow lethal hits to be a bonus instead of a crutch with -1 to be hit and +1 to hit. Removing battleshock for free is handy but niche. And asmodai giving reroll hits to everyone, gaining CP on character kills, and giving their 2OC an edge with forced battleshock tests every fight phase. Vowed target can easily replace the chaplain, so judiciar or asmodai is my pick in that detachment.
I LOVE these guys, their aesthetic really appeals to me. I'm hardly a competitive player but I like to run ICC with Asmodai. It's actually a good fit; I've had a lot of success with them. I mostly do it though because I like to pretend they are sticking their tongues out and making funny faces at him behind his back LOL ! Seriously, bringing Fallen angels back into the main DA army was not something I thought I'd ever see from a lore/fluff perspective and having them guard Asmodai of all characters is a sweet irony that just makes me laugh. If there is anything I would like changed with them it would be that I wish they all had iron halos. I'd be willing to pay the extra points for those. I mean, they all literally have iron halos on their backpacks yet no rule. Still, it's clear GWs approach was to have Blade Guard be the defensive option while these guys are the offensive option so it is what it is and that's well enough. Thanks for the video ! ❤
I never encountered anyone who had a problem with proxying these. The iron halo on them is 4 ++ as blade guard. The shield doesnt give +1 wound anyway so bladeguard models can also be used as icc.
I wonder how well there durable they are if adding a Primaris Captain for the -1CP when using Armor of Contempt and an apothecary for bringging back any destroyed ICC models.
Those guys have a really good look, and they are maybe strong and good, but the strongest perk they have is proxy/kitbash one can be build as judiciar, another as ancient and thirrd one as any thing you want (well any of those guys can), i make 3 of them as knight lords XD, and second box i use for my black templars as the judiciar,ancient (or bladeguard ancient) and as emperors champion
@@brettmal5298 my problem with the new SG models isn't that they are necessarily bad, it's that they are completely boring and uninspired. They almost look like plain jump intercessors.
Put an LT with them. Run only the sweep profile for both “sustained hits 2” and “lethal hits”. Ive taken down predators, forgefiends, and hivetyrants in one round of combat.
@@DanTheMan-n5p unless your opponent's a dick I don't think anybody would take any issue if you put your own grand master/chapter master model in place of Azrael and just used his rules as a representation It's down to what you want though, merely a suggestion to consider
I’ve played with people who with a straight face told me I wasn’t technically allowed to bring any named Dark Angels characters, because I had painted mine in the successor Guardians of the Covenant theme because I didn’t like normal DA colors, and was just saying “oh sure they Guardians” if anyone asked why I painted em differently. It’s not like you’re mixing any different faction keywords like black templars and blood angels together; successor chapters don’t have units with their own faction keywords. Anyone who tries to tell you that you can’t bring your Lion or Azrael just because you’ve painted your army in a successor chapter’s colors or call them a successor chapter is just being an asshole; you literally gain no advantage in game or play any different than a non-successor chapter.
I've been fielding them in a 6 man squad with Azrael in an Impulsor in a Inner Circle Detachment. Had them one shot a Norn Emmissary in one round of combat without even needing Azrael!
Hey, I'm starting with Wh40k and I wanted to buy or start with DA things, the combat patrol didn't convince me, so I wanted to buy an Azrael, Belial and Deathwing Knights to start. Alright? In Combat Patrol or in different formats, can two units be used as leaders? I say this because I don't know much, I know that more than one leader cannot be attached unless the unit says otherwise.
Can you do a video on space wolves or Votann? I’m a new Votann player and I haven’t really figured it out yet, they crushed at 1000, can’t seem to do much in 2k for me, space wolves is just because I stopped using Storm Lance for the flavor and idea of COR but I don’t know what to do now without all the unstoppable Thunderwolves and speed
They're a big pain in the ass to get rid off with Azrael . I threw them in a big unit Deathkorps of Krieg and cleared them all but the commander . My friend had to put the complete killing power of his three Leman Russes and some extra's just to clear them off the board (And that was with me forgetting their special rules . lol ) . Next on my list of tries is both the Judiciar and Asmo . And Ezekiel is also on the to do list .
Truly, smoking the Balance Herb until theyre high enough to be called The Risen. A Cheech and Chong style smoke cloud rolls out the Impulsor as the doors open, as the Omnissiah's bass gets louder
Not sure why you think that.. The top palyers using the top dark-angels lists (3x Deathwing knights and a smattering of ICC) are just managing to scrape a 52% winrate now - with the best SM detachment for melee (Gladius). 52% is where they should be - not broken...
If you think Dark Angels are broken are OP right now you are hilariously delusional. They are finally borderline viable again since our initial underwhelming codex launch. They’re nowhere near dominating the meta in any way.
@@oldmangames9292 look man, I play casual, they need to start making new rule sets for competitive and keep those separate from casual games, everygame I have fought a DA player, he has HANDLILY trounced me, with minimal losses, I don't know a single player atm who isn't sick and fed up of DA players whine about how under powered they are while having like a 70%+ win rate anywhere we play, they might be "balanced" for hyper competitive sweat lord games of cheese in competitive, but for a casual game they steam roll any and all factions, right now casual games are two people racing each other in their cars, competitive is a guy racing in a car and another guy on a pogo stick and the pogo stick winning every race because he can hop over the boundary lines and run around the corner to cross the finish line while the guy in the race car as to do the entire track still, they are just not comparable forms of gaming and GW needs to stop basing casual match play rules based off of cheesy gimmicky sweat lord players, it never ends well or balances well for the casuals.
98% of RUclipsrs will ban /shame you for this blatant wrong think Maybe even call you a bigot, cause why not? But you're absolutely 💯 Personally I feel that highlander type lists need to be the norm for tournament lists. It'll nullify anyone from meme type lists, force players to use strategy instead of OP units, and would force GW to write better data sheets all around instead of just onesies twosies op units added to balance things out.. 10th had so much potential but greed and dei are the only things they care for now more than ever
@@sgthunt118 the DEI stuff I dunno how that plays into the rules imbalance but everything else you said I couldn't agree more, right now armies have this really bad problem over overall being terrible balance wise, but the faction gets ONE very gimmicky tricksy rule that is abused to no end and thus gw will say they need to nerf it, the moment they "Nerf" said rule (Remove it from game) you always see these factions drop to near bottom tier of competitive lists. I get 90% of the player base is LSM players who only want to see SM be the top dominant competitor, but Im just tired of my fun casual games being dictated by cheesy try hard sweat lords who's only idea of fun is denying someone else any fun.
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Balance aside, these are easily some of the best models they've done in ages.
My condolences to Blood Angel players not getting the same treatment.
Have run them with a Judiciar. Such a monstrously threatening unit, even defensively with a heroic intervention. Against a melee focused list, there's no easy way to take them.
How does the jude beef them?
@@thecappeningchannel515 He gives the unit Fights first. Means if you charge them, they'll strike first. Same for a heroic intervention, meaning any unit finishing a charge within 6 inches can be punished fairly harshly.
Means the only safe way to take them is with ranged damage.
@@Caranelen sounds rad
I always feel not solid with Judiciar, but consider the herotic and fight first, they are really good like 7 model size Lion.
And the judiciar will love hitting on 2s to start cleaving heads for his extra attacks
It is so nice to have own unique unit and not rushed old stormcast mold as SG
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Real. I was looking forward to them, but they just look like Ken dolls bro. They lost all their blood-angel-ness
Is... Is it hilarious that Asmodai works well with these guys? Like imagine them having a conversation along the lines of,
"You look familiar, have we met?"
"You pulled my nails out and water boarded me last year."
"OH Yeah... Well it worked.... Also you cry like a female dog."
I imagine him constantly seeting behind his mask when they get assigned to him by Lion. 😂
😂😂😂
@@MightyGachiman the Lion probably told him about what he does to Chaplains who refuse his orders, Asmodai is a madman but he probably doesn't want his head punched off.
I like to think that they all pretend to have taken the penance of silence around him
Was just crunching the numbers on these boys a few days ago, and realized how good they’ve gotten! Pumped to use them!
I don’t know if I’d prefer the survivability of bladeguard with the 4+ invul or the swords of the companions, I guess I wouldn’t really have a choice since I’m not a DA player,
@@Sonof_DRN2004if you attach a librarian they get a 4+ invuln
@@Sonof_DRN2004 Azrael also grants a 4+ Invuln and sustained hits on their strike profile for some really good durability and extra damage!
@@HaydenHaws oh shite yeah they’re way better. Damn I wish Imperial fists had a chapter master model so bad!
Also now that theyre good, you can use a ton of the heresy era dark angels kits to represent them too. I love the ICC models but theres a ton of good DA sculpts from FW too!
These guys look so much cooler than the Sanguinary Guard
Speaking of I wonder if they'll make Sanguinary Guard into basically the Defensive version of these guys with the squad reduction. Maybe they'll be nice and give the Victrix Honor Guard FNP but probably not.
I’d say take a shot every time a 40K player complains about something, but I don’t want to be responsible for someone dying of alcohol poisoning
40k players do complain, but I have to say the Sanguinary guard are quite disappointing. The look like assault intercessors cosplaying as Custodes. They're fairly bland and insipid.
@CuriousLumenwood I think it's fair of me to diss a brand new sculpt when there's a different one that serves the same role which looks a lot better. It shows they can do better and calling them out when they drop the ball is better for both the company and the consumer
Pain as a blood angel though I’m more into Death company… oh wait
as a Salamanders enjoyer it's really fun to see unique units for other chapters.
As a BT player, I approve, it was fun being awesome for a lil bit with our range refresh, but now all the poster boys make us vanilla af.. sad for you as well as white scars, raven guard, etc, etc, etc...
Be glad you're not a deathwatch player 😢
I think they should of been given Plasma pistols instead of bolt pistols just seems more lore accurate
Agreed
It’s not a top choice for competitive play, but it’s worth noting that you can attach a standard tacticus apothecary to these guys. A lot of people are salty that you can’t attach the apothecary to bladeguard, but there is no such restriction here!
At the WTC the French Team had multiple units of ICC with a regular Librarian leading both for the 4++.
I'm about to buy a box! For the Lion!!!
Get three extra bodies with robes or such like company heros, keep the captain and ancient for characters and use the other 3 bodies to make 3 more ICC with the leftover bits
That's so smart thank you@@azrael1045
Bladeguard work amazingly well to make the most of all the extra arms options. I know for a while they were pretty expensive even secondhand but might be worth looking into.
For leaders there are three great options:
Judiciar
Chaplain
Asmodai
Judiciar gives first first and will enjoy hitting characters on 2s to start racking up extra attacks.
Chaplain gives them +1 to wound, so a great stack buff to allow lethal hits to be a bonus instead of a crutch with -1 to be hit and +1 to hit. Removing battleshock for free is handy but niche.
And asmodai giving reroll hits to everyone, gaining CP on character kills, and giving their 2OC an edge with forced battleshock tests every fight phase.
Vowed target can easily replace the chaplain, so judiciar or asmodai is my pick in that detachment.
One of the best kits recently. Cool looking and versaitle AF. Alternatively you can use a box to build a Judiciar, a bladeguard ancient and a Cap/LT.
I love this idea
Me wanting to have 18 of them, but dont want to spend the $360
Omg! 6 of these guys with Asmodai! Best looking squad 👌
Unforgiven has a strat for lethal hits and occasionally 5 up crits
Wonderful upload
I always plan on putting Asmodai with them, it’s funny lore wise and with Asmodai it makes them terrifying character hunters
I LOVE these guys, their aesthetic really appeals to me.
I'm hardly a competitive player but I like to run ICC with Asmodai. It's actually a good fit; I've had a lot of success with them. I mostly do it though because I like to pretend they are sticking their tongues out and making funny faces at him behind his back LOL ! Seriously, bringing Fallen angels back into the main DA army was not something I thought I'd ever see from a lore/fluff perspective and having them guard Asmodai of all characters is a sweet irony that just makes me laugh.
If there is anything I would like changed with them it would be that I wish they all had iron halos. I'd be willing to pay the extra points for those. I mean, they all literally have iron halos on their backpacks yet no rule. Still, it's clear GWs approach was to have Blade Guard be the defensive option while these guys are the offensive option so it is what it is and that's well enough. Thanks for the video ! ❤
Do you run Gladius or IC detachment?
Always good to see Auspex late at night!
I'm running 2x6 of these, they're super dangerous.
Models look great but I waited til the rules change to pick some up, glad games workshop fixed our boys!
They all have Iron Halo's so why is there no 4+ invuln. I hate when GW puts things on minis that don't add to their rules.
Those are braziers and are mentioned in the rules for the unit.
Glad they’re looking better
Just got my 2nd set of these bad boys! Such good sculpts!
Glad they’re the same base and unit size as BGV, it’s let me play them as ICC without shelling out more money
I never encountered anyone who had a problem with proxying these. The iron halo on them is 4 ++ as blade guard. The shield doesnt give +1 wound anyway so bladeguard models can also be used as icc.
I wonder how well there durable they are if adding a Primaris Captain for the -1CP when using Armor of Contempt and an apothecary for bringging back any destroyed ICC models.
If you want better deals for you ICCs, get a sword brethren squad or two along with two ICCs, and you get 12 companions
My fav way to run these guys is with Azrael + Apothecary 😂
Those guys have a really good look, and they are maybe strong and good, but the strongest perk they have is proxy/kitbash one can be build as judiciar, another as ancient and thirrd one as any thing you want (well any of those guys can), i make 3 of them as knight lords XD, and second box i use for my black templars as the judiciar,ancient (or bladeguard ancient) and as emperors champion
They are finally not a straight downgrade for a higher price. Yey
I’m so sad blood angels didn’t get anything as cool as these guys in the update
Yeah I'm kitbashing stormcast Prosecutors instead of buying those tubby SG
Losing the wings sucked no doubt but I still think the sang guard models look pretty sick… the inner circle are some amazing lookin sculpts though
@@brettmal5298 my problem with the new SG models isn't that they are necessarily bad, it's that they are completely boring and uninspired. They almost look like plain jump intercessors.
Put an LT with them. Run only the sweep profile for both “sustained hits 2” and “lethal hits”. Ive taken down predators, forgefiends, and hivetyrants in one round of combat.
Or put Azrael and get lethal hits anyway as well as his 4++
@@pierat3338 I run a successor so no azrael for me :(
@@DanTheMan-n5p unless your opponent's a dick I don't think anybody would take any issue if you put your own grand master/chapter master model in place of Azrael and just used his rules as a representation
It's down to what you want though, merely a suggestion to consider
@@pierat3338 yea its def one ive seen a number of ppl run.
I’ve played with people who with a straight face told me I wasn’t technically allowed to bring any named Dark Angels characters, because I had painted mine in the successor Guardians of the Covenant theme because I didn’t like normal DA colors, and was just saying “oh sure they Guardians” if anyone asked why I painted em differently. It’s not like you’re mixing any different faction keywords like black templars and blood angels together; successor chapters don’t have units with their own faction keywords. Anyone who tries to tell you that you can’t bring your Lion or Azrael just because you’ve painted your army in a successor chapter’s colors or call them a successor chapter is just being an asshole; you literally gain no advantage in game or play any different than a non-successor chapter.
I've been fielding them in a 6 man squad with Azrael in an Impulsor in a Inner Circle Detachment. Had them one shot a Norn Emmissary in one round of combat without even needing Azrael!
It is the classic exemple of just slap on my boy azrael and it WILL work
Inner circle with apothecary works nice.
Hey, I'm starting with Wh40k and I wanted to buy or start with DA things, the combat patrol didn't convince me, so I wanted to buy an Azrael, Belial and Deathwing Knights to start. Alright? In Combat Patrol or in different formats, can two units be used as leaders? I say this because I don't know much, I know that more than one leader cannot be attached unless the unit says otherwise.
Can you do a video on space wolves or Votann? I’m a new Votann player and I haven’t really figured it out yet, they crushed at 1000, can’t seem to do much in 2k for me, space wolves is just because I stopped using Storm Lance for the flavor and idea of COR but I don’t know what to do now without all the unstoppable Thunderwolves and speed
what paint do you think is used on the first photo of the dark angels?
For Caliban!
Does it make sense to put an apothecary in here with azrael?
These look dope as my sword bretheren
We heard you liked inner circle. So we put inner circle in your inner circle.
I just proxy them as Bladeguard Vets. They look cooler.
Their banner is so much nicer than the new lame Sanguinary Guard pendant…Chapter banner no more 😢
The banner looks weird. Should have been just 1 thin wing instead of this envelop style
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They're a big pain in the ass to get rid off with Azrael . I threw them in a big unit Deathkorps of Krieg and cleared them all but the commander . My friend had to put the complete killing power of his three Leman Russes and some extra's just to clear them off the board (And that was with me forgetting their special rules . lol ) . Next on my list of tries is both the Judiciar and Asmo . And Ezekiel is also on the to do list .
Nice
Ah I get it, they're -1 to hit because of all that smoke
Truly, smoking the Balance Herb until theyre high enough to be called The Risen. A Cheech and Chong style smoke cloud rolls out the Impulsor as the doors open, as the Omnissiah's bass gets louder
The Dank Angels love their green.
3 models for 800 dollars, oh boy.
They are really OP
Coolest Space Marine units ever sculpted
The sweep is also great against elite 3w profiles, as d2 is inefficient
GW continues to begrudgingly accept that the melee phase exists
how are you not talking about the blood angel release?? still on the dA
Lmao imagine doubting Auspex.. he covered them days ago
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+1 ap = they are strong now! Lul
..Yes? +1 AP and +1 sweep attack is a massive buff into lots of targets.
oh boy, more broken and OP stuff for an already broken OP faction.....wooh....
Not sure why you think that.. The top palyers using the top dark-angels lists (3x Deathwing knights and a smattering of ICC) are just managing to scrape a 52% winrate now - with the best SM detachment for melee (Gladius). 52% is where they should be - not broken...
If you think Dark Angels are broken are OP right now you are hilariously delusional. They are finally borderline viable again since our initial underwhelming codex launch. They’re nowhere near dominating the meta in any way.
@@oldmangames9292 look man, I play casual, they need to start making new rule sets for competitive and keep those separate from casual games, everygame I have fought a DA player, he has HANDLILY trounced me, with minimal losses, I don't know a single player atm who isn't sick and fed up of DA players whine about how under powered they are while having like a 70%+ win rate anywhere we play, they might be "balanced" for hyper competitive sweat lord games of cheese in competitive, but for a casual game they steam roll any and all factions, right now casual games are two people racing each other in their cars, competitive is a guy racing in a car and another guy on a pogo stick and the pogo stick winning every race because he can hop over the boundary lines and run around the corner to cross the finish line while the guy in the race car as to do the entire track still, they are just not comparable forms of gaming and GW needs to stop basing casual match play rules based off of cheesy gimmicky sweat lord players, it never ends well or balances well for the casuals.
98% of RUclipsrs will ban
/shame you for this blatant wrong think
Maybe even call you a bigot, cause why not?
But you're absolutely 💯
Personally I feel that highlander type lists need to be the norm for tournament lists. It'll nullify anyone from meme type lists, force players to use strategy instead of OP units, and would force GW to write better data sheets all around instead of just onesies twosies op units added to balance things out..
10th had so much potential but greed and dei are the only things they care for now more than ever
@@sgthunt118 the DEI stuff I dunno how that plays into the rules imbalance but everything else you said I couldn't agree more, right now armies have this really bad problem over overall being terrible balance wise, but the faction gets ONE very gimmicky tricksy rule that is abused to no end and thus gw will say they need to nerf it, the moment they "Nerf" said rule (Remove it from game) you always see these factions drop to near bottom tier of competitive lists. I get 90% of the player base is LSM players who only want to see SM be the top dominant competitor, but Im just tired of my fun casual games being dictated by cheesy try hard sweat lords who's only idea of fun is denying someone else any fun.