I bought a NS4710 a few months ago w/cab. I wish I bought a tractor 25yrs ago! Back in Sept, we had days hitting 113 degrees, and I actually had to turn the a/c up a little because it was too cold. Not a bad problem to have when working land.
Another example of why I subscribe to GWT. Your honest enough to say you don’t know. This is t Oo important a question, especially from a safety perspective, to B.S. your way thru just to make a sale. Thanks for the tip on TractorbyNet. Looks like a worthwhile source for info that websites & brochures don’t cover.
Courtney, As an alternative not already suggested, may I humbly suggest that he consider using the 3-point with a forklift mast instead of the FEL to meet his 2,000 lb. at 48 inches requirement? WIFO make them specifically for a category 1 hitch, Models H150 and H160. If he is only taking that weight off a semi trailer, dropping it to near the ground and then transporting it, tractor stability might be less of a factor. He could then get a smaller frame tractor to meet his width requirements, general chore use and still be within a reasonable budget constraint. Not knowing his implement needs or transmission requirements, but sticking with your Kioti reference, he could go with a DK20SE series tractor (40-60hp), HST and a 3-point lift capacity 24" behind the hitch of over 2,700 pounds, and a minimum width advertised at about 49.5 inches. The matched FEL to the DK20SE is the KL5520, which has a lift capacity of 2,474 at the pins to full height. I am not a physics expect, but once I factor in the center of a 1-ton pallet a minimum of 20 inches in front of the pallet fork frame (at least 24 inches forward of the pins), I would not have much confidence that the loader could lift that weight at all, let alone safely. WIFO, out of Canada, is not well known here in the U.S., so here is a link to their website showing their 3-point forklifts: wifo.ca/products/forklifts/forklifts.html And no, I do not work for WIFO, Kioti or any other equipment manufacturer. I’m just trying to add some thought and value to the discussion.
I think he would be much happier with 2 machines. Unless he has huge horse stalls, a tractor is going to be to clumsy to maneuver around inside them. An articulated loader like an Avant might be the machine.
@GoodWorksTractors that's the downside of those loaders. Maybe an option would be to just not worry about getting in the stalls with the tractor allowing him to get a plenty big enough one to lift that weight and get a cheap older mini skid steer for the stalls 🤷♂️
I have a 2023 Dk5320se. Love this tractor. I did have an issue getting the correct HST Hydraulic filter for the first 50hr service. The owners manual calls for a T4125-38022, this is the incorrect filter. The correct filter number is TD24-0257A, and is only available from KIOTI. I could now cross reference this filter into WIX or any other brand. I hope this is useful to someone out there.
TYM T474 would probably fit his needs. I have a T494 and I'm almost positive it could do the lifting, but the width might be an issue unless using Ag tires. You can flip the rims around to narrow it a bit more with R4s but I think the front axel is wider than his requirement.
Kioti DK series is the right call if he wants one tractor to meet the lift and width requirements. My DK5310SE is spec'd to lift nearly 2500 lbs at the pivot pin to full height. Subtract 350 lbs for the weight of pallet forks and the capacity would be close. And the tires can be adjusted to meet the width, but they'd have to find a 60" bucket, as the normal bucket sizes for the DK are 66" or 72".
Have to be very careful with only 1/2 inch working space on each side, any exposed bolt heads or nail heads will tear up tire sidewalls, better not turn front tires with that heavy load on or will tip over !! Sounds like a perfect skid steer application instead of tractor
I also believe is best a skid steer on this case, but if he needs and don't want to pay for a skid steer which is also more expensive. The problem with AG tires is if a horse farm those tires will tear up all soil and arenas, I dont like ag tires on my driveway either.
Concur. Skid steer would be perfect, but probably wouldn’t work as a one machine does it all. Also would likely be more expensive than a tractor; if a TYM, LS or Kioti, a lot less expensive.
Bobcat makes mini track, loaders, and articulated loaders that are pretty thin and remember one of the old models had a boom on the left I think.. There are a lot of walk behind loaders and track loaders that are very thin and made to go through small doorways and open openings. That might be a good option if he needs to get into a stall through a small door, and that would allow him to maneuver inside easier as well
John Deere 5075GN, minimum width is 48.5" I think, pretty sure you can fit a loader to them to. One consideration is also the total length and turning circle. But for that kinda requirement I'd be looking at orchard/vineyard tractors.
@@GoodWorksTractors ohh yeah and Fendt and Deutz Fahr make units even narrower for the European vineyard market. The 5GN, 5GV and 5EN are built for the European, Australian and USA vineyard market with the 5GN and 5GV being Italian built. Kubota also do a narrow M40/60 series as well
Ferrari tractors you should take a look at. Goldoni and Antonio Cararo tractors as well. We run a 40 year old Pasquali still because it can do things our Kioti can't do. Italian tractors ROCK!
I think the Massey 2800M series can go down to 64” wide but I’m not positive. Regular width is just under 72”. I’ve lifted 2200 pound pallets with mine.
New Holland makes a vineyard model. I like the Kioti tractors, looked at the equivalent to my New Holland Boomer according to the salesman, was a little surprised but my Boomer just seems to be beefier. The loader is short compared to the Boomer which aids significantly loading a dump trailer and stacking hay.
A Branson/TYM 2515 is narrow enough and the loader is listed at 2200 lbs full lift, but that's at the pin. If the load is out on forks you would have to de rate that a fair amount. It's probably not quite enough. A skid steer might be a better option for this application.
@@GoodWorksTractors Yeah tools like brush hogs for skid steers are more expensive, but the best tool for the job is rarely the cheapest tool. He may be better off keeping one of his old tractors for that sort of work and getting a skid steer for loader work.
How would that work unless it was essentially a fork lift mechanism designed to mount to the 3PH? Regular forks attached to a rigid frame can't lift that high.
@@Noah_EVermeer used to make hay bale forks that were like that. Haven't seen them in several years. They hooked up to the 3 point to go up and down. They also used the tractors hydraulics to run a fork lift frame like you suggested. They worked for the most part but definitely weren't as successful as a loader.
I had a buddy who was a pig farmer. He had multiple tractors of various sizes, including a compact tractor. Within the barn, he needed to move around feed, clean pens and stalls, and a variety of other uses. He found the only thing that really worked well for him was a wheel loader skid steer. The wheel loader was a little more nimble than a track loader, and WAY more nimble than his compact tractor. The issue comes down to $$'s, and how large a barn this gentleman cares for. Smaller barn with a couple horses may not make financial sense.
I love the new Kioti content, I am looking to purchase one. I am torn between the CK2620 and the 3520 mainly due to the DPF system, it worries me that I may have engine issues 10-20 years down the line? Do you have any videos explaining any long term issues with these new DPF systems?
I personally would go for two machines if width really is a that big kind of a deal. I would go for a similar size tractor as what they have so it easily can handle al the equipment they already have and go for a skid steer or mini loader that has the specs they need. They are way better suited for lifting in limited spaces than tractors. And to me it sounds about they want to narrow their tractor that it gets dangerously narrow. I would rather work a lot safer with older equipment than make eccidents with newer equipment that isn't really up to the task. I would really think this through good if it was me that had to make the decision.
If it was me with those requirements, I would have me an extra set of tires and rims available. When the need to offload a heavy load from a truck, I would place the extra tires on the outside of the tires in close. Then I would have the extra wheel base available to handle the extra loads. These extra tires wouldn’t necessarily need to have rim guard in them. If the tractor could handle the loads without the extra tires. Just roll them up and bolt them on with the other tires. Should be somewhat of a simple task to do, without the liquid in the outside tires.
If the price is not too high, he could jack up the hydraulic output on a 1025R, like Tractor Time With Tim did by upgrading the pump. He would need some significant weight on the back to handle the load.
I have a Kioti nx5010 working on our horse farm. Great lift capacity. Tractor choice for a horse farm is going to be about trade offs, so a lot depends upon how he’s managing his horses. Our horses are kept out in pasture almost all the time, only brought in for bad storms, and left in for limited amounts of time (which is the way horses are intended to be kept, frankly). Thus, stall cleaning is most efficiently done with a wheelbarrow which is dumped into the tractor bucket. The bigger issue for us is land management (tree and brush removal, boxblading) and mowing, for which a tractor of this size is the only practical machine for our property, about 13 acres. If you are dealing with a smaller horse property and indoor manure management is thus more of an issue, I would question what the advantage of lift capacity would be and focus on a smaller, more maneuverable tractor. What exactly is being lifted that requires so much capacity? Surely not bags of grain or manure. If maneuverability and size is the key variable in the decision, manure and grain can be schlepped around in multiple trips. (The one exception I can think of is if they feed using round bales, which is done in some areas of the country). But again, it’s going to be a trade-off if you’re trying to get to having just one machine. For us, at least 85% of the tractor time is spent mowing, and a 6’ implement is pretty much the minimum if you want to spend any time with your horses…
Look into a Bobcat L28 which has a telescoping boom with articulate steering or something similar. Not overly familiar with this model but know some one that bought one this summer. Or a skid steer tractor. GB hope this helps!
I appreciate your information on these compact tractors, there is a new guy in my area, and that’s Bobcat , by chance have you any knowledge of this tractor and will you share it with us?
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I bought a NS4710 a few months ago w/cab. I wish I bought a tractor 25yrs ago! Back in Sept, we had days hitting 113 degrees, and I actually had to turn the a/c up a little because it was too cold. Not a bad problem to have when working land.
Another example of why I subscribe to GWT. Your honest enough to say you don’t know. This is t
Oo important a question, especially from a safety perspective, to B.S. your way thru just to make a sale. Thanks for the tip on TractorbyNet. Looks like a worthwhile source for info that websites & brochures don’t cover.
Courtney,
As an alternative not already suggested, may I humbly suggest that he consider using the 3-point with a forklift mast instead of the FEL to meet his 2,000 lb. at 48 inches requirement? WIFO make them specifically for a category 1 hitch, Models H150 and H160. If he is only taking that weight off a semi trailer, dropping it to near the ground and then transporting it, tractor stability might be less of a factor. He could then get a smaller frame tractor to meet his width requirements, general chore use and still be within a reasonable budget constraint. Not knowing his implement needs or transmission requirements, but sticking with your Kioti reference, he could go with a DK20SE series tractor (40-60hp), HST and a 3-point lift capacity 24" behind the hitch of over 2,700 pounds, and a minimum width advertised at about 49.5 inches. The matched FEL to the DK20SE is the KL5520, which has a lift capacity of 2,474 at the pins to full height. I am not a physics expect, but once I factor in the center of a 1-ton pallet a minimum of 20 inches in front of the pallet fork frame (at least 24 inches forward of the pins), I would not have much confidence that the loader could lift that weight at all, let alone safely.
WIFO, out of Canada, is not well known here in the U.S., so here is a link to their website showing their 3-point forklifts:
wifo.ca/products/forklifts/forklifts.html
And no, I do not work for WIFO, Kioti or any other equipment manufacturer. I’m just trying to add some thought and value to the discussion.
I just got my new kioti, only 4 hours on it. I’m super happy with it so far as to be expected.
I think he would be much happier with 2 machines. Unless he has huge horse stalls, a tractor is going to be to clumsy to maneuver around inside them. An articulated loader like an Avant might be the machine.
Yeah, I think he is budget-constrained though, so that's why he wants one do it all machine if possible.
@GoodWorksTractors that's the downside of those loaders. Maybe an option would be to just not worry about getting in the stalls with the tractor allowing him to get a plenty big enough one to lift that weight and get a cheap older mini skid steer for the stalls 🤷♂️
I have a 2023
Dk5320se. Love this tractor. I did have an issue getting the correct HST Hydraulic filter for the first 50hr service. The owners manual calls for a T4125-38022, this is the incorrect filter. The correct filter number is TD24-0257A, and is only available from KIOTI.
I could now cross reference this filter into WIX or any other brand. I hope this is useful to someone out there.
TYM T474 would probably fit his needs. I have a T494 and I'm almost positive it could do the lifting, but the width might be an issue unless using Ag tires. You can flip the rims around to narrow it a bit more with R4s but I think the front axel is wider than his requirement.
Seems the narrow width part is the hard part to find
Kioti DK series is the right call if he wants one tractor to meet the lift and width requirements. My DK5310SE is spec'd to lift nearly 2500 lbs at the pivot pin to full height. Subtract 350 lbs for the weight of pallet forks and the capacity would be close. And the tires can be adjusted to meet the width, but they'd have to find a 60" bucket, as the normal bucket sizes for the DK are 66" or 72".
Have to be very careful with only 1/2 inch working space on each side, any exposed bolt heads or nail heads will tear up tire sidewalls, better not turn front tires with that heavy load on or will tip over !! Sounds like a perfect skid steer application instead of tractor
I think it might be the entrance that's constricted, but more space once inside.
I also believe is best a skid steer on this case, but if he needs and don't want to pay for a skid steer which is also more expensive.
The problem with AG tires is if a horse farm those tires will tear up all soil and arenas, I dont like ag tires on my driveway either.
Concur. Skid steer would be perfect, but probably wouldn’t work as a one machine does it all. Also would likely be more expensive than a tractor; if a TYM, LS or Kioti, a lot less expensive.
What about one of the specialized machines built for orchards, vineyards, etc that are much narrower than others?
TYM all day long. Start with the 3620. Width of 64.9 inches and lifts 2700 lbs at pins.
Bobcat makes mini track, loaders, and articulated loaders that are pretty thin and remember one of the old models had a boom on the left I think.. There are a lot of walk behind loaders and track loaders that are very thin and made to go through small doorways and open openings. That might be a good option if he needs to get into a stall through a small door, and that would allow him to maneuver inside easier as well
John Deere 5075GN, minimum width is 48.5" I think, pretty sure you can fit a loader to them to. One consideration is also the total length and turning circle. But for that kinda requirement I'd be looking at orchard/vineyard tractors.
Wow, didn't realize those were so narrow
@@GoodWorksTractors ohh yeah and Fendt and Deutz Fahr make units even narrower for the European vineyard market. The 5GN, 5GV and 5EN are built for the European, Australian and USA vineyard market with the 5GN and 5GV being Italian built. Kubota also do a narrow M40/60 series as well
Ferrari tractors you should take a look at. Goldoni and Antonio Cararo tractors as well. We run a 40 year old Pasquali still because it can do things our Kioti can't do. Italian tractors ROCK!
I've heard good things!
This fella definitely needs a skid steer or a mini wheel loader for this application
Thought about it, but he's budget constrained and he wants one machine to do all his other farm work. Skiddy attachments are pricey!
I think the Massey 2800M series can go down to 64” wide but I’m not positive. Regular width is just under 72”. I’ve lifted 2200 pound pallets with mine.
Good to have options!
New Holland makes a vineyard model. I like the Kioti tractors, looked at the equivalent to my New Holland Boomer according to the salesman, was a little surprised but my Boomer just seems to be beefier. The loader is short compared to the Boomer which aids significantly loading a dump trailer and stacking hay.
A Branson/TYM 2515 is narrow enough and the loader is listed at 2200 lbs full lift, but that's at the pin. If the load is out on forks you would have to de rate that a fair amount. It's probably not quite enough. A skid steer might be a better option for this application.
Yeah, maybe. Just seems like all the other farm work would mean more expensive tools for the skiddy?
@@GoodWorksTractors Yeah tools like brush hogs for skid steers are more expensive, but the best tool for the job is rarely the cheapest tool. He may be better off keeping one of his old tractors for that sort of work and getting a skid steer for loader work.
I would suggest fluid in the tires also wheel weights when you go that narrow
If he doesn't need a 3 point hitch, I would say that something like an "avant articulated loader" would be a perfect fit.
Needs to suck it up, shovel an wheel barrow. Or dig into your pockets an remodel barn to be wider.
Sounds like he needs an articulating machine truly for entering stalls etc, and still have other uses. Baumalite makes a mower for them I believe.
A ck10se should be able to do it or very close. Great turning radiusctoo.
Not enough lift capacity unfortunately
Have you thought about maybe the kabota m narrow series 73 hp and at 52 inches wide it might be a possible solution
I don't now anymore but they us to make forks for the tree point. It went up 8 feet. Like I said don't know if they still make them.
How would that work unless it was essentially a fork lift mechanism designed to mount to the 3PH? Regular forks attached to a rigid frame can't lift that high.
Westendorf sells them. I've thought about getting in a set to show off. Pretty slick.
@@Noah_EVermeer used to make hay bale forks that were like that. Haven't seen them in several years. They hooked up to the 3 point to go up and down. They also used the tractors hydraulics to run a fork lift frame like you suggested. They worked for the most part but definitely weren't as successful as a loader.
I had a buddy who was a pig farmer. He had multiple tractors of various sizes, including a compact tractor. Within the barn, he needed to move around feed, clean pens and stalls, and a variety of other uses. He found the only thing that really worked well for him was a wheel loader skid steer. The wheel loader was a little more nimble than a track loader, and WAY more nimble than his compact tractor. The issue comes down to $$'s, and how large a barn this gentleman cares for. Smaller barn with a couple horses may not make financial sense.
I love the new Kioti content, I am looking to purchase one. I am torn between the CK2620 and the 3520 mainly due to the DPF system, it worries me that I may have engine issues 10-20 years down the line? Do you have any videos explaining any long term issues with these new DPF systems?
TYM 474 biggest bang for the money. Bucket is the widest at 60” tractor 55”. Kioti is a great tractor but more money.
I personally would go for two machines if width really is a that big kind of a deal. I would go for a similar size tractor as what they have so it easily can handle al the equipment they already have and go for a skid steer or mini loader that has the specs they need. They are way better suited for lifting in limited spaces than tractors. And to me it sounds about they want to narrow their tractor that it gets dangerously narrow. I would rather work a lot safer with older equipment than make eccidents with newer equipment that isn't really up to the task. I would really think this through good if it was me that had to make the decision.
If it was me with those requirements, I would have me an extra set of tires and rims available. When the need to offload a heavy load from a truck, I would place the extra tires on the outside of the tires in close. Then I would have the extra wheel base available to handle the extra loads. These extra tires wouldn’t necessarily need to have rim guard in them. If the tractor could handle the loads without the extra tires. Just roll them up and bolt them on with the other tires. Should be somewhat of a simple task to do, without the liquid in the outside tires.
Our dk5310 hse is 63" wide with industrial tires, fwiw
How about a F series fruit / vineyard spec tractor I have a old TN 95 F New holland that can go down to 48'' wide they say Nice video Thanks
Good idea...for some reason I didn't think you could add loaders to those, but maybe you can??
@@GoodWorksTractors Mine has a loader made by MX Thanks for the reply
Kubota has a poultry version of their M series I believe that is narrow.
Kubota can do this also
Small frame skid would be better.
Yeah, but he wants to do lots of other farm work with it as well...skiddy attachments are pricey
What surface is he on? Why not a forklift?
He wants to mow his fields, haul trailers, do other chores as well with one machine.
Why don't you just install a larger barn door
If the price is not too high, he could jack up the hydraulic output on a 1025R, like Tractor Time With Tim did by upgrading the pump. He would need some significant weight on the back to handle the load.
buy two machines... he has 2 purposes needed.
Budget constraint needs to be considered.
@@GoodWorksTractors buy a small tracked vehicle for barn work. Spend major budget for pallet and mowing
I have a Kioti nx5010 working on our horse farm. Great lift capacity. Tractor choice for a horse farm is going to be about trade offs, so a lot depends upon how he’s managing his horses. Our horses are kept out in pasture almost all the time, only brought in for bad storms, and left in for limited amounts of time (which is the way horses are intended to be kept, frankly). Thus, stall cleaning is most efficiently done with a wheelbarrow which is dumped into the tractor bucket. The bigger issue for us is land management (tree and brush removal, boxblading) and mowing, for which a tractor of this size is the only practical machine for our property, about 13 acres. If you are dealing with a smaller horse property and indoor manure management is thus more of an issue, I would question what the advantage of lift capacity would be and focus on a smaller, more maneuverable tractor. What exactly is being lifted that requires so much capacity? Surely not bags of grain or manure. If maneuverability and size is the key variable in the decision, manure and grain can be schlepped around in multiple trips. (The one exception I can think of is if they feed using round bales, which is done in some areas of the country). But again, it’s going to be a trade-off if you’re trying to get to having just one machine. For us, at least 85% of the tractor time is spent mowing, and a 6’ implement is pretty much the minimum if you want to spend any time with your horses…
Look into a Bobcat L28 which has a telescoping boom with articulate steering or something similar. Not overly familiar with this model but know some one that bought one this summer. Or a skid steer tractor. GB hope this helps!
Just sell him a mini dump and a set of ramps 😂
Haha, why didn't I think of that!
Stand on mini skid steer and a forklift
Get a struck Corp 8700 track loader with the 3pt and pto. Will do it all and not tipsy
Magnatrac 8700 may not be the catch all but is 44" wide and are powerful tractors made in America.
I appreciate your information on these compact tractors, there is a new guy in my area, and that’s Bobcat , by chance have you any knowledge of this tractor and will you share it with us?