Hope you guys enjoyed this one!! Slightly different style let me know if you want me to collab more :)) Thanks to @gadgetsjon for helping, check him out!
It would be amazing to see what a professional can do with the pro mode, and if it helps to make the shot look much better than auto if you know what you are doing
This is the ONLY* video on RUclips depicting the 50MP sensor compared to anything else. Everyone else compares the 12MP images against competing phones at max resolution and I really don't consider that fair! Great job! ____________________________ *at time of writing
You can attach big full frame lenses onto smartphones now, it definitely closes the gap if you want that cinematic look. A $600 smartphone actually has more processing power and AI enhancements/features than a $5,000 camera. Some of the newer phones even have large 1 inch sensors or double stacked sensors. Is crazy how much phones have improved.
actually...the pixel is better. unless your pixel peeping... 98% of people couldn't give a shit about anything that $5k camera can do. it's all about good pictures that can be shared quickly and easily.
I think it's very much dependent on what you want from your camera. I prefer a lot of the shots from the Pixel because it would be very easy for the average person to go in and add more contrast, deepen the black levels, bump up the highlights etc. I'd rather it capture all the info than crush blacks, blow out highlights and make it unrecoverable. The Pixel gives you choices and it's ultimately easier for your average person to do. And as you said, you can shoot in RAW if you want to too.
Hi there! My RUclips algorithm got trained to respond to "pixel 8" in the last days so your video was recommended to me. I just want to say that I'm impressed how straight to the point and professional this video was. Very refreshing compared to the usually loud and flashy world of RUclips. Thanks :)
Good review. You didn't mention the addition of pro manual settings on the 8 Pro. So some of the auto adjustments you didn't like could be tweaked to be much closer to the A7 images.
You're right about that part. I think for the general sake of this specific video. He is assuming that most people who possess a smartphone will just point and shoot and let the phone worry about the rest of the tweak versus manually setting up the phone and etc. I love taking photos myself and have the Pixel 7 Pro and honestly...I am a big fan of lighting exposure and night shots and Pixel just has a way of getting better and better at astrophotography. The motion shot can also be applied to waterfalls background where oftentimes people don't think of how much it enriches the photo. I am buying the Pixel 8 Pro just for the sake of having manual control now! That or Sony 5V
@@xianshep Just a passing reference but no coverage of it specifically for compensating for some of the complaints he had with the auto processing. It's the first phone Google has included manual controls so seems worth a bit of focus in a camera review.
How do you use the Pro Manual Setting? Can you give any tips on this phone, I just got it & I'm going to Hawaii SOON. Trying to figure out the type on this phone. Thank you
@@Seek_Him If you are not an experienced photographer I would advise just using it in the normal auto mode. It does a very good job in most situations of producing nice quality images. The Pro mode allows taking 50MP images, as well as raw format, but most users don't need those options. The addition of manual controls for ISO, white balance and shutter speed are long overdue, and very useful for those who know how to use them. My best advice would be to practice taking inside and outside photos before your trip to learn how to use the different lenses, focusing, and other options you may want, so that when you're on your trip you'll be able to easily capture the photos you want. Have a great trip.
Wow, the pixel images are just mindblowing! Thanks for this very interesting video, now i know my next phone. Good thing i just thought about a upgrade, so I’ll get it tomorrow 😁👍
*One can use dual exposure sliders to adjust the contrast and HDR on Pixels.* The Pixels photos look like your RUclips video, less contrasty and more neutral. Great for post-edits. Iphones by default nowadays shoot high contrasty images; would love to see how the P8pro competes with 15 pro. Cheers 🥂
I use the exposure/ shadow slider on my pixel device ( not the pro manual settings as my pixel doesn't have this feature) essentially, this isn't that much different to the manual pro settings when it comes to exposure sort of semi automatic
Something to note is that the Pixel will not always use the telephoto if the lighting conditions are too low so it's possible in some shots you may have shot a 5x crop of the main camera Unless Google changed that this year and the 5x is good now in lower light conditions
Yes! This explains why most often when you put your finger on the 5x lens you can still take a picture despite having selected 5x zoom in the camera app! This is most annoying! What's the point of having a dedicated lens and sensor if you then use a crop anyway?
well this video convinced me to sell my A7C system and upgrade my budget phone to a pixel 8 pro. Better have a good camera with me at all times, then have an amazing camera which doesnt get the use it deserve.
you can adjust HDR intensity when you shoot (HDR slider) or post processing in Google photos. it's also better to reduce HDR in post processing (making blacks black again) than the opposite, because you are reducing information. increasing HDR is trying to recreate missing information. possible somehow if you shoot in raw with very high bit depth
Review can better, because I wanted to see RAW on pixel, manual controls Vs camera on around same price point as pixel! Because I am thinking to buying camera or new Pixel 8 pro! I think, pixel did good job compare to size and availability.
This RUclipsr has to realize that 95% of smartphone users don't give a damn about photographic "orthodoxy" and as a result would often consider that the pixel 8 pro pic is better or at least as good as the professional camera version. Smartphone cameras have accomplished amazing progress in the last 5 years thanks to AI, which makes them far better options for taking pics than bulky expensive cameras in almost all situations. This is why I entirely gave up on buying a camera a few months ago.
I don't think anyone thinks mobile phone cameras are better than standalone cameras, especially not high end stuff. Phones are just way too practical and give us quality thats more than good enough to capture all specials moments we need without having to carry a massive camera with us. Obviously special events and such should always be done with a proper camera and more important by someone who can actually use it properly as everyone these days think they're a pro photographer. Great video, I enjoyed it and I'm still impressed by Pixel 8 Pro, glad I bought it, will probably agree with you that I prefer blacks to be blacks and have bit more contrast than what Pixel gives us, but that is easily adjustable
"I don't think anyone thinks mobile phone cameras are better than standalone cameras" A lot of people actually do believe that lol. People who use both can't fathom such thinking (for good reason), but your average consumer at the very least thinks they are at parity or that there is now no need for dedicated equipment.
I'm in the market for a new phone. Upgrading from a galaxy 21 and have been interested in the new P8P mainly for its reputation with photos. I enjoyed this unique comparison video much more than the standard reviews that I've been seeing. It's honest and less generic.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. No one checks how insanely current smartphones process images. It's very clear when having access to natural shots. But seems like not a single smartphone has this option available these days! Great for social media, but probably excessive when printed.
One problem with most smartphone camera sensors is that only delivers 10bit raw for speed reasons. Stacking 20 raw images is compute power consuming and time consuming even with dedicated hardware, so smartphones can shoot raw at 10bit and even at 8bit most times HDR and night modes kick in. Most flagships can deliver 12bit too, but not in all conditions, maybe only in single shot. Midrange and low range sensors can only output 8bit and 10bit. So, with midrange and low range smartphones sometimes is worthless to shoot raw. The raw in this case have only small amount of latitude to edit, but the smartphone JPG is the result of stacking A LOT of images and processing it. The pro cameras raw output is 14bit most of the time (some models output 16bit raw) and 12bit when high speed burst shooting.
Great comparison and I the dedicated camera images look much better. The Pixel over processes and I really dislike how it balances the exposure across the whole image. I disagree with your point on the editing on the phone though. For a start, your Magic Eraser demo showed the bags removed, but the Pixel did a pee poor job of rendering the wall properly behind, just left an ugly blur. Secondly, I use an Xperia 1 V with Google Photos and Lightroom Mobile, and I get the same if not better post editing on the go with those two apps than the Pixel. Sure it means hopping between the two apps, but they work really well, especially as Google Photos app has limited RAW support. But I do think the Pixel is a great phone for people just wanting a quick way to take a great picture straight out of their pocket. Can't go wrong with an iPhone Pro or Samsung S series either. The last Pixel I had was the 7 and I really thought it was amazing with the photos! That was until I started to get more into photography and get a dedicated mirror-less entry level Canon M50 MKII! Then I really began to appreciate manual mode and natural shots and just started to dislike AI processing, hence the Xperia 1 V.
Are you kidding? The Camera A (Pixel) was consistently the better image in the Cam A/B sequence. I was most surprised in the beer bottles zoom shot, because the first image was comically oversaturated and blurry, which is a trademark of small-sensor zoom lenses found on smartphones. The Pixel obviously doesn't have the depth of field of a full-frame sensor, but was clearly capturing more detail, and has more balanced lighting. The camera was having blown out highlights, oversaturated parts, which the Pixel balanced fantastically well. If you really prefer, or want high contrast or saturation, just swipe up on the Pixel, and dial up the contrast, or capture without the post-processing (RAW). Don't mix conversation on preference/artistic vision, and quality. If you want a certain look, the Pixel will accomplish it in a fraction of the work as well. It is rare to say, but the Pixel made a mockery of the Sony except for 2-3 low-light 5x Zoom shots. I was really waiting till the end for you guys to just say "SIKE, the bad images were all the Pixel's, we fooled ya"
I think the pixels profile is ideal for filters. It gives room for additional editing. So ie a flat image can be edited to look more impactful. But you can't revert the other way around.
It would be interesting to see you try to replicate the results from the pro camera on the Pixel using the 'pro controls' on the P8P. Also, as far as increasing the sensor size on smartphones, wouldn't it make more sense to basically put the pixel smarts into a good professional camera? I know there have been products that have kind of tried that in the past but everything has come so far processing wise. I think it would make a lot more sense now.
Yes, please! This was already such a good video showing where the Pixel falls down compared to big cameras, but seeing how far you can truly push the Pixel to delivering those big camera results using the whole suite of tools would be 👌👌👌
The uses for the $5000 camera is much different than the Pixel 8 Pro, which is fundamentally a camera that you carry with you versus a studio camera. A proper comparison is with a compact sized high-quality travel/street camera like the Fuji X100 series or the Ricoh GR !!!. I shot a trip recently with an X100f primarily and my Pixel 6 when I wanted an image to send to family and I was so pleased with the Pixel 6 images that I bought a Pixel 8 Pro for future trips instead of upgrading the X100f.
The real camera's images are what I would print in a magazine, whereas the Pixel really ruins the darks and highlights. But what really matters to me is what happens when you zoom in -- which photo has a natural, more film-like look when you zoom in / enlarge the photo? Which photo can be enlarged to make a good looking print? Viewing the images on a PC or phone screen really doesn't really show which one is truly better. For example, if you zoom into a photo taken with a Samsung Galaxy, it looks like complete crap -- like digital paint. Whereas the Google Pixel tends to have a more 'organic noise' look when you get closer to the pixels. The organic noise look is more suitable for enlargement, whereas the digital paint look is absolute shit.
I get that you think the professional cameras more contrast looks better in the portrait. Meanwhile my opinion is I want to see the subject in which case the far better dynamic range looks better. A guy who has a camera is gonna say the camera is better. A guy who has a phone is gonna say the phone is better
What about the regular 8? It would be interesting since I tried both and honestly I ended up kinda disappointed by the 5x of the Pro. The computational power of the Gcam is so good thay makes the 5x on the regular 8 to appear close to the Pro. This would be interesting to test actually.
These phone cameras are still way ahead of consumer level SLRs in my opinion. I'm referring to sub $1k cameras with changeable lenses or high zoom cameras like the Lumix's. These consumer level cameras a behind the curve on the software on the camera compared to phones like Pixels. They've only recently introduce wifi or bluethooth transfer on some of them.
Sehr gutes Video, das war viel Arbeit. Danke dir dafür. Und trotz allem, das Pixel ist absolut der Hammer. Für immer dabei, absolut perfekt.Geiles Teil
I think it's already a huge win for smartphones that we even consider comparing them to professional gear. Anyway, I can always carry my smartphone what is the biggest advantage for me! 😊
I love the Pixel 8 Pro's camera for some reason it's way better than the iPhone and S24 Ultra combined, already did a comparison for myself. Sadly I did not use any camera when I was doingthe comparison.
So your downside of the pixel is that it's taking hdr pics and you'd rather the camera throw that information away instead of storing it. You can always get a camera app that lets you adjust the exposure settings and contrast of the images as you take them.
*The processing on the full size images (50Mp) seems different - contrast is higher on 12Mp?* Tom, if you check out the Verge review, they noted that the Pixel 8 Pro had more contrast than the iPhone 15 Pro. Which is the opposite of what you found. However, you are not using the same image size. Can you confirm this difference?
Great review, it would be good to also have the video and talk about the pro settings. Besides this being a quick 'great photo' phone many of those users may use it as a gateway camera to get into professional cameras and a review of using the pro features would be cool to see how you use it and your thoughts there as well.
Have the DSLR shots been processed, were you shooting in raw or JPG? Were you using functions of the DSLR (like taking the images in manual mode rather than auto) which you weren't on the Pixel? Because a comparison like this, should really be a level playing field, right? We need the detail to better understand the comparison.
From the start before I even knew which is which, my preferred choice was the photo with a perfectly exposed softbox which you can see all the details on it, because in the other photo, the softbox is so over exposed, but when I saw the one I chose is actually the Pixel 8 pro, I was surprised because the phone is so amazing 👍
hahahaha i love the RED HORSE BEER that you include on the photo comparison my friend... it is a well known beer in our country Philippines..... i just happened to know now that it is sold internationally already...
There is no question that a 5k camera is way better than a smartphone camera , what we wanna see is how good the smartphone camera compared to an inexpensive camera
Seeing the detailed analysis here, now I strongly believe that in the coming days, phones are going in the direction of over-processing rather than equipping advanced hardware, which kind of makes sense as well in keeping a check on the price. But the hardware evolution should be synchronous with the software advancements, and not something of a lower priority, as Google has always considered when it comes to the Pixel line.
Really wish they would give the option to choose how much HDR to apply. Almost all phones over do it, not all the time, but it does mess up a lot picture because all the shadows for some reason need to be bright. It's like in smart phone photography true black doesn't exist. It's a shame because the tech is there, but just need to be able to tweak the settings. I've been taking HDR pictures with my DSL for the last 15 years and you can absolutely make it look good / natural and still get the benefits of HDR to bring more detail.
I have Pixel 6a and I love my camera shots. But pictures on 8 pro are also great. I think $ 5k won, but this video made me love the 8 Pro a lot. In the future I am focused to buy it! Great video and great tips, thanks!
I took a picture on my tv from the studio comparison and just higher the contrast on the pixel, looks amazing. Would be hard to see difference by the small pictures after edit. It would be very interesting to se a comparasion where you edit the pictures to look like the camera, how good the pixel could be.
At 9:38 you've said long exposures can't be done with a camera without a tripod. Actually it can be done on most of M43 cameras and some of the new FF Nikons, Canons and Panasonics. Unfortunately it can't be done with Sony cameras as they have too small bayonet diamter and worst IBIS on the market because of this design flaw. Btw, I shoot Sony A7III myself when doing wedding sessions or shoot with old manual legacy glass. However I use old Olympus OMD OM1 Mark II when I want to achieve long exposures handheld or I just want to travel light. And noise on Oly is not a problem as I can use base ISO200 most of the time (which is similar to ISO800 on my A7III).
There cant be a serious comparison vs an expensive ILC or DSLR, because the tiny phone sensors can't physically collect as much info as the cameras , so everything that is sharpened or color corrected in a phone is fake. Blow up any camera photo and you get out of focus evenly. Blow up phone photos and you get "strange looking stuff"...lol.. But it is true, the excellent flagship phones are so much more handy for social media, unless your actual hobby is ILC/DSLR photography.
Terrible to see Google didn't fix the horrible magenta/purple cast that happens to blacks that's been present since the 7 (I went with the 7a partly because it didn't have that problem). Ugh.
That Piccadilly circus W1 shot is interesting. The goods behind the vendor are overexposed on the A7IV, but viewable on the 8pro. Not to mention, the Google camera software is getting an update two weeks from now, so it'll get even better (noise and artifact reduction)
Issues when comparing mobile to camera is processing. Cant process an already processed jpeg, but raw from camera, is easier to tailor the outcome to suit your taste. Other thing is, not everyone can be great using adobe and find simple point and shoot of a phone easier and cheaper. (adobe cost/month)
I think going for too much contrast simply crushes the inbetweens and eliminates alot of detail/colours. In any case, I would rather have it like this, and to be honest, pixel photos look stunning and the dynamic range is just incredible. I believe Google does a tremendous job with what is has, but even so, no phone camera can actually rival a pro camera at the time moment. Cheers!
Honestly, I would rather see RAW on both, and processed the same. Using the JPEG off the pixel isn't the right approach. The JPEG is meant to ensure everything gets exposed. The last thing you want is to be taking a quick family photo and have all of the faces in pitch black. You use RAW when you want to use a camera artistically -- that goes for both smartphone and DSLR. So, show us the artistic capacity of the cameras.
You do not mention if the Sony images have been edited as you would have to if you shot it in raw. Or are they sooc jpegs? Which they should be if you are comparing to sooc pixel 8 Pro images.
In all such phone vs. camera comparisons, I see biased frames where the phone does just fine. You don't need $5,000, just $600-800 is enough to easily beat the quality of the phone. If we compared a camera for $400 and a macro/telephoto lens for $200 or a super wide-angle lens like 20mm or wider, then the phones would look terrible. The phones only perform decently if we use the main sensor, which is almost always an equivalent between 24mm and 26mm, which are extremely boring.
I have to say that in few cases I have preferred google photos (for example when there were the wine bottles). By the way google is doing a great job, I'm very curious to see how Samsung 24 will reply
You used the old magic eraser and it is fine but the new one that uses AI (with the colorful icon on the botton left part of the Google Photos editor) is much better as it "imagines" what is behind the objects you want to delete
I see you praise the P8P yet a few videos back your set up incorporates an iPhone and the 23ultra. Is that still your current setup? I have a Fujifilm xt30II and I love it. I pre ordered the 24ultra and at times I think about canceling my order. I didn’t buy the 24 ultra simply for its camera abilities, but for AI, the s-pen and for productivity etc. I am just second guessing my self as I think I might be better served by the P8P? Was hoping I could get your thoughts on that.
I love the P8P to be honest, it’s a sick phone. But I use an iPhone for work cos I use Mac’s and the S23U isn’t my daily driver just have been using it cos of the 24 coming out. You won’t regret your order I’m sure :)
@@ItsTomRich I think you mentioned being in the Apple ecosystem and I am in the same boat. But I have always been willing to any phone regardless of who makes it, if it is a good phone. Apple is not the only company that makes good phones. We certainly now know one of the reasons why Apple chose to have a closed ecosystem, it’s somewhat difficult (or makes you feel as if it is) to get out! Does/is the Ultra feel much bigger than the P8P? I really like the Pixels call screening function. Have you tested or looked at the Ultras call screening through Bixby (Textcall). I am curious how much different that is. I think that we are about the same age, and it’s really unfortunate to see where we have come, that decisions about buying a phone are made by how well it’s camera and video features are? How about as you mentioned I believe, the productivity, multitasking and in this case s-pen features? Thanks for your honesty, as I can see it in your videos that you mean what you say! Are you planning on getting the 24 Uktra?
I am glad this is not another "a smartphone is just as good as a professional camera" videos. It's not even close. Smartphone photos always look like they were taken on a smartphone. Oddly enough, if you want an imaging tool, a smartphone is what you need because it will capture everything in the scene and in very good detail too but for photos, they look digital and over-processed. Too sharp, HDR bleaches colours, brightens shadows, everything is evened out, and they lack natural bokeh, which makes such a big difference. At night light cannot diffuse naturally because smartphones capture multiple frames and stick them together, that's why neon lights don't have that softness. Check at 1:14, yes, the Pixel capture the sky in the background, but the photo has a blue tint, the Porsche looks much more pleasant on the A7IV. Video is even worse when you compare smartphones to cameras.
Did the pro mode help or did you use it to try and get closer to the Camera? i have not played a lot with the pro mode on the P8P yet. but on My LG G4, V30, V40 and V60 i made a lot of use of that feature to get certain things close to what i saw especially at night. Those did less processing compared to what the P8P does. The P7P did not have it (used that phone previous year). I will be looking into that HDR exposure after seeing this comparison. You can off course disable HDR might help for the indoor portrait but outdoors that might not give the best result.
Include taking a portrait shot with the 5x lens, not portrait MODE, just a portrait shot in the normal camera mode zoomed in 5x, at least you get some natural bokeh plus its more flattering than a wide lens, and thats how i take portrait shots on my pixel 6 pro :D
Hope you guys enjoyed this one!! Slightly different style let me know if you want me to collab more :)) Thanks to @gadgetsjon for helping, check him out!
Really like your vids Tom, I take so much inspiration from your content 👍🏿👍🏿
I appreciate that man 🙌
@@ItsTomRich thanks, hope to have as many subs as you one day!
It would be amazing to see what a professional can do with the pro mode, and if it helps to make the shot look much better than auto if you know what you are doing
This is the ONLY* video on RUclips depicting the 50MP sensor compared to anything else. Everyone else compares the 12MP images against competing phones at max resolution and I really don't consider that fair!
Great job!
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what a surprise, a 5k camera with a huge lens is significantly better than any smartphone on the market lol.
You can attach big full frame lenses onto smartphones now, it definitely closes the gap if you want that cinematic look.
A $600 smartphone actually has more processing power and AI enhancements/features than a $5,000 camera. Some of the newer phones even have large 1 inch sensors or double stacked sensors. Is crazy how much phones have improved.
I like Pixel mmore honestly.
actually...the pixel is better. unless your pixel peeping... 98% of people couldn't give a shit about anything that $5k camera can do. it's all about good pictures that can be shared quickly and easily.
Who would have guessed! 🤣
wouldn't even call it "significantly"
I think it's very much dependent on what you want from your camera. I prefer a lot of the shots from the Pixel because it would be very easy for the average person to go in and add more contrast, deepen the black levels, bump up the highlights etc. I'd rather it capture all the info than crush blacks, blow out highlights and make it unrecoverable. The Pixel gives you choices and it's ultimately easier for your average person to do. And as you said, you can shoot in RAW if you want to too.
Yeah I like almost every Pixel photo more in this video. It has waay more detail. Just edit it later if you want it different.
@@HannesDev but for people that likes photography, they look fake
@@ghfsd786faI see people constantly posting photos with high-end cameras that look like complete trash as well, it really depends
@@ghfsd786fano different to somebody overcooking a RAW photo taken on a DSLR
@@ghfsd786fa so which phone could do photo like DSLR? i am looking for phone with very good camera, hope you could have some idea for me..
Brilliant work mate! Youve done a great job of contextualising how the Pixel 8 Pro's cameras perform.
Pleasure to have you on the channel bro 🙌
Hi there! My RUclips algorithm got trained to respond to "pixel 8" in the last days so your video was recommended to me. I just want to say that I'm impressed how straight to the point and professional this video was. Very refreshing compared to the usually loud and flashy world of RUclips. Thanks :)
Cheers dude for the nice comment. thank you for watching 🙏
Good review. You didn't mention the addition of pro manual settings on the 8 Pro. So some of the auto adjustments you didn't like could be tweaked to be much closer to the A7 images.
You're right about that part. I think for the general sake of this specific video. He is assuming that most people who possess a smartphone will just point and shoot and let the phone worry about the rest of the tweak versus manually setting up the phone and etc. I love taking photos myself and have the Pixel 7 Pro and honestly...I am a big fan of lighting exposure and night shots and Pixel just has a way of getting better and better at astrophotography. The motion shot can also be applied to waterfalls background where oftentimes people don't think of how much it enriches the photo. I am buying the Pixel 8 Pro just for the sake of having manual control now! That or Sony 5V
Didn't he mention it between 2:10 and 2:20?
@@xianshep Just a passing reference but no coverage of it specifically for compensating for some of the complaints he had with the auto processing. It's the first phone Google has included manual controls so seems worth a bit of focus in a camera review.
How do you use the Pro Manual Setting?
Can you give any tips on this phone, I just got it & I'm going to Hawaii SOON.
Trying to figure out the type on this phone.
Thank you
@@Seek_Him If you are not an experienced photographer I would advise just using it in the normal auto mode. It does a very good job in most situations of producing nice quality images. The Pro mode allows taking 50MP images, as well as raw format, but most users don't need those options. The addition of manual controls for ISO, white balance and shutter speed are long overdue, and very useful for those who know how to use them. My best advice would be to practice taking inside and outside photos before your trip to learn how to use the different lenses, focusing, and other options you may want, so that when you're on your trip you'll be able to easily capture the photos you want. Have a great trip.
Wow, the pixel images are just mindblowing! Thanks for this very interesting video, now i know my next phone. Good thing i just thought about a upgrade, so I’ll get it tomorrow 😁👍
*One can use dual exposure sliders to adjust the contrast and HDR on Pixels.* The Pixels photos look like your RUclips video, less contrasty and more neutral. Great for post-edits.
Iphones by default nowadays shoot high contrasty images; would love to see how the P8pro competes with 15 pro.
Cheers 🥂
I use the exposure/ shadow slider on my pixel device ( not the pro manual settings as my pixel doesn't have this feature) essentially, this isn't that much different to the manual pro settings when it comes to exposure sort of semi automatic
Would love to see how the two compare if you put them both in manual mode and try to use them as though you was doing a photography work
Something to note is that the Pixel will not always use the telephoto if the lighting conditions are too low so it's possible in some shots you may have shot a 5x crop of the main camera
Unless Google changed that this year and the 5x is good now in lower light conditions
I didn’t know that good insight :)
Yes! This explains why most often when you put your finger on the 5x lens you can still take a picture despite having selected 5x zoom in the camera app!
This is most annoying! What's the point of having a dedicated lens and sensor if you then use a crop anyway?
@@vueport99 it will only crop when the subject is too close or the lighting is too low, or even sometimes the telephoto is blocked
well this video convinced me to sell my A7C system and upgrade my budget phone to a pixel 8 pro. Better have a good camera with me at all times, then have an amazing camera which doesnt get the use it deserve.
Its easy to spot the pixel photos because of that magenta tint in the mids and lows.
Thanks for mentioning and taking the photos in 50mp allot of other reviewers don't mention it and usually just keep it stock
you can adjust HDR intensity when you shoot (HDR slider) or post processing in Google photos. it's also better to reduce HDR in post processing (making blacks black again) than the opposite, because you are reducing information. increasing HDR is trying to recreate missing information.
possible somehow if you shoot in raw with very high bit depth
Review can better, because I wanted to see RAW on pixel, manual controls Vs camera on around same price point as pixel!
Because I am thinking to buying camera or new Pixel 8 pro! I think, pixel did good job compare to size and availability.
This is just a great video. Exciting to see how the Pixel compares to a professional camera
I have that phone. I'm so glad I never let the Apple ecosystem suck me in...
This RUclipsr has to realize that 95% of smartphone users don't give a damn about photographic "orthodoxy" and as a result would often consider that the pixel 8 pro pic is better or at least as good as the professional camera version. Smartphone cameras have accomplished amazing progress in the last 5 years thanks to AI, which makes them far better options for taking pics than bulky expensive cameras in almost all situations. This is why I entirely gave up on buying a camera a few months ago.
correction 99% of all people dgaf about photographic orthodoxy.
Maybe they can have a setting to have three "levels" of HDR? One with no HDR, one with some, the other like it already has.
Agreed this would be a good option
I don't think anyone thinks mobile phone cameras are better than standalone cameras, especially not high end stuff.
Phones are just way too practical and give us quality thats more than good enough to capture all specials moments we need without having to carry a massive camera with us.
Obviously special events and such should always be done with a proper camera and more important by someone who can actually use it properly as everyone these days think they're a pro photographer.
Great video, I enjoyed it and I'm still impressed by Pixel 8 Pro, glad I bought it, will probably agree with you that I prefer blacks to be blacks and have bit more contrast than what Pixel gives us, but that is easily adjustable
Thank you for watching 🙏
"I don't think anyone thinks mobile phone cameras are better than standalone cameras" A lot of people actually do believe that lol. People who use both can't fathom such thinking (for good reason), but your average consumer at the very least thinks they are at parity or that there is now no need for dedicated equipment.
I'm in the market for a new phone. Upgrading from a galaxy 21 and have been interested in the new P8P mainly for its reputation with photos. I enjoyed this unique comparison video much more than the standard reviews that I've been seeing. It's honest and less generic.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. No one checks how insanely current smartphones process images. It's very clear when having access to natural shots. But seems like not a single smartphone has this option available these days! Great for social media, but probably excessive when printed.
One problem with most smartphone camera sensors is that only delivers 10bit raw for speed reasons. Stacking 20 raw images is compute power consuming and time consuming even with dedicated hardware, so smartphones can shoot raw at 10bit and even at 8bit most times HDR and night modes kick in. Most flagships can deliver 12bit too, but not in all conditions, maybe only in single shot. Midrange and low range sensors can only output 8bit and 10bit.
So, with midrange and low range smartphones sometimes is worthless to shoot raw. The raw in this case have only small amount of latitude to edit, but the smartphone JPG is the result of stacking A LOT of images and processing it. The pro cameras raw output is 14bit most of the time (some models output 16bit raw) and 12bit when high speed burst shooting.
This is a great point :)
Great comparison and I the dedicated camera images look much better. The Pixel over processes and I really dislike how it balances the exposure across the whole image.
I disagree with your point on the editing on the phone though. For a start, your Magic Eraser demo showed the bags removed, but the Pixel did a pee poor job of rendering the wall properly behind, just left an ugly blur. Secondly, I use an Xperia 1 V with Google Photos and Lightroom Mobile, and I get the same if not better post editing on the go with those two apps than the Pixel. Sure it means hopping between the two apps, but they work really well, especially as Google Photos app has limited RAW support.
But I do think the Pixel is a great phone for people just wanting a quick way to take a great picture straight out of their pocket. Can't go wrong with an iPhone Pro or Samsung S series either.
The last Pixel I had was the 7 and I really thought it was amazing with the photos! That was until I started to get more into photography and get a dedicated mirror-less entry level Canon M50 MKII! Then I really began to appreciate manual mode and natural shots and just started to dislike AI processing, hence the Xperia 1 V.
I got my Pixel 8 Pro almost a month ago, and it has a really good camera.
So you compare auto mode on pixel 8 with manual mode on a camera?
Are you kidding?
The Camera A (Pixel) was consistently the better image in the Cam A/B sequence. I was most surprised in the beer bottles zoom shot, because the first image was comically oversaturated and blurry, which is a trademark of small-sensor zoom lenses found on smartphones.
The Pixel obviously doesn't have the depth of field of a full-frame sensor, but was clearly capturing more detail, and has more balanced lighting. The camera was having blown out highlights, oversaturated parts, which the Pixel balanced fantastically well.
If you really prefer, or want high contrast or saturation, just swipe up on the Pixel, and dial up the contrast, or capture without the post-processing (RAW). Don't mix conversation on preference/artistic vision, and quality. If you want a certain look, the Pixel will accomplish it in a fraction of the work as well.
It is rare to say, but the Pixel made a mockery of the Sony except for 2-3 low-light 5x Zoom shots.
I was really waiting till the end for you guys to just say "SIKE, the bad images were all the Pixel's, we fooled ya"
I think the pixels profile is ideal for filters. It gives room for additional editing. So ie a flat image can be edited to look more impactful. But you can't revert the other way around.
Pixel 8 Pro now shoots RAW images, xould you compare these with RAW images from A7iv? Just to see how closer the imagery has become?
It would be interesting to see you try to replicate the results from the pro camera on the Pixel using the 'pro controls' on the P8P. Also, as far as increasing the sensor size on smartphones, wouldn't it make more sense to basically put the pixel smarts into a good professional camera? I know there have been products that have kind of tried that in the past but everything has come so far processing wise. I think it would make a lot more sense now.
I might do a segment like this in my photography review!
do it!
@@ItsTomRich
Yes, please! This was already such a good video showing where the Pixel falls down compared to big cameras, but seeing how far you can truly push the Pixel to delivering those big camera results using the whole suite of tools would be 👌👌👌
@@ItsTomRichdoes the pixel have an exposure meter displayed on the screen ?
@@ItsTomRichyou need it
Great work as always, Tom! love your video.
The uses for the $5000 camera is much different than the Pixel 8 Pro, which is fundamentally a camera that you carry with you versus a studio camera. A proper comparison is with a compact sized high-quality travel/street camera like the Fuji X100 series or the Ricoh GR !!!. I shot a trip recently with an X100f primarily and my Pixel 6 when I wanted an image to send to family and I was so pleased with the Pixel 6 images that I bought a Pixel 8 Pro for future trips instead of upgrading the X100f.
The real camera's images are what I would print in a magazine, whereas the Pixel really ruins the darks and highlights. But what really matters to me is what happens when you zoom in -- which photo has a natural, more film-like look when you zoom in / enlarge the photo? Which photo can be enlarged to make a good looking print? Viewing the images on a PC or phone screen really doesn't really show which one is truly better. For example, if you zoom into a photo taken with a Samsung Galaxy, it looks like complete crap -- like digital paint. Whereas the Google Pixel tends to have a more 'organic noise' look when you get closer to the pixels. The organic noise look is more suitable for enlargement, whereas the digital paint look is absolute shit.
I get that you think the professional cameras more contrast looks better in the portrait. Meanwhile my opinion is I want to see the subject in which case the far better dynamic range looks better.
A guy who has a camera is gonna say the camera is better. A guy who has a phone is gonna say the phone is better
Your friend is talking bs about lenses having hit their mark !
But he is correct shout processing .
Imagine a point and shoot camera with changeable lenses and the pixel processing and ui.
Would certainly be fun
What about the regular 8? It would be interesting since I tried both and honestly I ended up kinda disappointed by the 5x of the Pro. The computational power of the Gcam is so good thay makes the 5x on the regular 8 to appear close to the Pro. This would be interesting to test actually.
These phone cameras are still way ahead of consumer level SLRs in my opinion. I'm referring to sub $1k cameras with changeable lenses or high zoom cameras like the Lumix's. These consumer level cameras a behind the curve on the software on the camera compared to phones like Pixels. They've only recently introduce wifi or bluethooth transfer on some of them.
disappointed you didnt use the pro mode for the camera in this video
Sehr gutes Video, das war viel Arbeit. Danke dir dafür.
Und trotz allem, das Pixel ist absolut der Hammer. Für immer dabei, absolut perfekt.Geiles Teil
I think it's already a huge win for smartphones that we even consider comparing them to professional gear. Anyway, I can always carry my smartphone what is the biggest advantage for me! 😊
I love the Pixel 8 Pro's camera for some reason it's way better than the iPhone and S24 Ultra combined, already did a comparison for myself. Sadly I did not use any camera when I was doingthe comparison.
So your downside of the pixel is that it's taking hdr pics and you'd rather the camera throw that information away instead of storing it.
You can always get a camera app that lets you adjust the exposure settings and contrast of the images as you take them.
Well, they promise a longterm software support, so perhaps they will be able to tweak some details and perhaps give user more options, too
*The processing on the full size images (50Mp) seems different - contrast is higher on 12Mp?* Tom, if you check out the Verge review, they noted that the Pixel 8 Pro had more contrast than the iPhone 15 Pro. Which is the opposite of what you found. However, you are not using the same image size. Can you confirm this difference?
Why did you swap the first photo sample? The pixel was originally on the left, then you put it on the right for the reveal.
Just a mistake :)
Great video and great tips, thanks!
Great review, it would be good to also have the video and talk about the pro settings. Besides this being a quick 'great photo' phone many of those users may use it as a gateway camera to get into professional cameras and a review of using the pro features would be cool to see how you use it and your thoughts there as well.
Have the DSLR shots been processed, were you shooting in raw or JPG?
Were you using functions of the DSLR (like taking the images in manual mode rather than auto) which you weren't on the Pixel?
Because a comparison like this, should really be a level playing field, right? We need the detail to better understand the comparison.
Seems that would be the obvious outcome? So how would the pixel compare to a $1000 Camara?
Bets phone camera Ive ever had was the 2019 P30 Pro, I haven't had a phone since that the camera was even close to that thing.
From the start before I even knew which is which, my preferred choice was the photo with a perfectly exposed softbox which you can see all the details on it, because in the other photo, the softbox is so over exposed, but when I saw the one I chose is actually the Pixel 8 pro, I was surprised because the phone is so amazing 👍
hahahaha i love the RED HORSE BEER that you include on the photo comparison my friend... it is a well known beer in our country Philippines..... i just happened to know now that it is sold internationally already...
I'm going red button babyyyy!
why is he always serious in the Pixel Shot but laughing/Friendly in the Camera shot? :D
Because I can’t model to save my life 🤣
There is no question that a 5k camera is way better than a smartphone camera , what we wanna see is how good the smartphone camera compared to an inexpensive camera
Seeing the detailed analysis here, now I strongly believe that in the coming days, phones are going in the direction of over-processing rather than equipping advanced hardware, which kind of makes sense as well in keeping a check on the price. But the hardware evolution should be synchronous with the software advancements, and not something of a lower priority, as Google has always considered when it comes to the Pixel line.
5:30 bro use the shadow and exposure slider to get the same darker contrast
You use sony cameras and compare them to phone camera's .what the reason you don't test the Sony Xperia phones?
Really wish they would give the option to choose how much HDR to apply. Almost all phones over do it, not all the time, but it does mess up a lot picture because all the shadows for some reason need to be bright. It's like in smart phone photography true black doesn't exist. It's a shame because the tech is there, but just need to be able to tweak the settings.
I've been taking HDR pictures with my DSL for the last 15 years and you can absolutely make it look good / natural and still get the benefits of HDR to bring more detail.
ofc camera is better than the phone. 4000$ better? nope. better comparation would be with a cheaper camera, like less than 1000$
I have Pixel 6a and I love my camera shots. But pictures on 8 pro are also great. I think $ 5k won, but this video made me love the 8 Pro a lot. In the future I am focused to buy it!
Great video and great tips, thanks!
6A is an awesome camera :)
I took a picture on my tv from the studio comparison and just higher the contrast on the pixel, looks amazing. Would be hard to see difference by the small pictures after edit. It would be very interesting to se a comparasion where you edit the pictures to look like the camera, how good the pixel could be.
The photos swapped left to right at 0:30. 😂😂😂😂 Nice play to promote.
Very nice content. I Really want to see, you making a camera comparison between iphone 15 pro and pixel 8 pro.
It’s on the list :)
At 9:38 you've said long exposures can't be done with a camera without a tripod. Actually it can be done on most of M43 cameras and some of the new FF Nikons, Canons and Panasonics. Unfortunately it can't be done with Sony cameras as they have too small bayonet diamter and worst IBIS on the market because of this design flaw.
Btw, I shoot Sony A7III myself when doing wedding sessions or shoot with old manual legacy glass. However I use old Olympus OMD OM1 Mark II when I want to achieve long exposures handheld or I just want to travel light. And noise on Oly is not a problem as I can use base ISO200 most of the time (which is similar to ISO800 on my A7III).
It would be really interesting to get a folder with the original pics from the phone! Do you think you could share it with us?
There cant be a serious comparison vs an expensive ILC or DSLR, because the tiny phone sensors can't physically collect as much info as the cameras , so everything that is sharpened or color corrected in a phone is fake. Blow up any camera photo and you get out of focus evenly. Blow up phone photos and you get "strange looking stuff"...lol.. But it is true, the excellent flagship phones are so much more handy for social media, unless your actual hobby is ILC/DSLR photography.
Terrible to see Google didn't fix the horrible magenta/purple cast that happens to blacks that's been present since the 7 (I went with the 7a partly because it didn't have that problem). Ugh.
Pixel is basically pulling highlights and shadows slider to near extreme
Personally I prefer the less contrasty look. More dynamic range isn't it ?
how 15 pro max stands?
Left and right stereo sounds delayed somehow by some ms
For my audio?
Hate these kind of reviews where in comparing a smartphone with a DSLR... absolutely makes no sense since they both belong to different world's...
It’s just for fun, move on then 🫠
That Piccadilly circus W1 shot is interesting. The goods behind the vendor are overexposed on the A7IV, but viewable on the 8pro. Not to mention, the Google camera software is getting an update two weeks from now, so it'll get even better (noise and artifact reduction)
Where did you get that info from about the update?
Issues when comparing mobile to camera is processing. Cant process an already processed jpeg, but raw from camera, is easier to tailor the outcome to suit your taste. Other thing is, not everyone can be great using adobe and find simple point and shoot of a phone easier and cheaper. (adobe cost/month)
for normal average social media users... I think most of them will choose photos taken by Pixel
The "pro" photographer cut your foot off.
I think going for too much contrast simply crushes the inbetweens and eliminates alot of detail/colours. In any case, I would rather have it like this, and to be honest, pixel photos look stunning and the dynamic range is just incredible. I believe Google does a tremendous job with what is has, but even so, no phone camera can actually rival a pro camera at the time moment. Cheers!
Honestly, I would rather see RAW on both, and processed the same.
Using the JPEG off the pixel isn't the right approach. The JPEG is meant to ensure everything gets exposed. The last thing you want is to be taking a quick family photo and have all of the faces in pitch black.
You use RAW when you want to use a camera artistically -- that goes for both smartphone and DSLR. So, show us the artistic capacity of the cameras.
You do not mention if the Sony images have been edited as you would have to if you shot it in raw. Or are they sooc jpegs? Which they should be if you are comparing to sooc pixel 8 Pro images.
And if you are into sports photography, forget about the smartphone.
Yeah this is pretty true lmao
For me as a basic user - Pixel 8 pro photos looks a bit better.
In all such phone vs. camera comparisons, I see biased frames where the phone does just fine. You don't need $5,000, just $600-800 is enough to easily beat the quality of the phone.
If we compared a camera for $400 and a macro/telephoto lens for $200 or a super wide-angle lens like 20mm or wider, then the phones would look terrible.
The phones only perform decently if we use the main sensor, which is almost always an equivalent between 24mm and 26mm, which are extremely boring.
I have to say that in few cases I have preferred google photos (for example when there were the wine bottles). By the way google is doing a great job, I'm very curious to see how Samsung 24 will reply
having less depth is good when you want whole object as image
Thank you very much ❤
Please make video about pixel (8)
1:00 how u took a pic with ur camera if its in ur hand?
I’m holding an a6500 haha
You used the old magic eraser and it is fine but the new one that uses AI (with the colorful icon on the botton left part of the Google Photos editor) is much better as it "imagines" what is behind the objects you want to delete
Would love to see a comparison like this with Xperia 1 V
compare camera with Xiaomi 13 ultra also
and Leica authentic is great for night shots
I also have the A7 iv and the Pixel 8 pro. Got the pro on the 12th. So you didn't take any of these photos with the pro mode on the pixel 8 pro?
I see you praise the P8P yet a few videos back your set up incorporates an iPhone and the 23ultra. Is that still your current setup? I have a Fujifilm xt30II and I love it. I pre ordered the 24ultra and at times I think about canceling my order. I didn’t buy the 24 ultra simply for its camera abilities, but for AI, the s-pen and for productivity etc. I am just second guessing my self as I think I might be better served by the P8P? Was hoping I could get your thoughts on that.
I love the P8P to be honest, it’s a sick phone. But I use an iPhone for work cos I use Mac’s and the S23U isn’t my daily driver just have been using it cos of the 24 coming out. You won’t regret your order I’m sure :)
@@ItsTomRich I think you mentioned being in the Apple ecosystem and I am in the same boat. But I have always been willing to any phone regardless of who makes it, if it is a good phone. Apple is not the only company that makes good phones. We certainly now know one of the reasons why Apple chose to have a closed ecosystem, it’s somewhat difficult (or makes you feel as if it is) to get out! Does/is the Ultra feel much bigger than the P8P? I really like the Pixels call screening function. Have you tested or looked at the Ultras call screening through Bixby (Textcall). I am curious how much different that is. I think that we are about the same age, and it’s really unfortunate to see where we have come, that decisions about buying a phone are made by how well it’s camera and video features are? How about as you mentioned I believe, the productivity, multitasking and in this case s-pen features? Thanks for your honesty, as I can see it in your videos that you mean what you say! Are you planning on getting the 24 Uktra?
I am glad this is not another "a smartphone is just as good as a professional camera" videos. It's not even close. Smartphone photos always look like they were taken on a smartphone. Oddly enough, if you want an imaging tool, a smartphone is what you need because it will capture everything in the scene and in very good detail too but for photos, they look digital and over-processed. Too sharp, HDR bleaches colours, brightens shadows, everything is evened out, and they lack natural bokeh, which makes such a big difference. At night light cannot diffuse naturally because smartphones capture multiple frames and stick them together, that's why neon lights don't have that softness. Check at 1:14, yes, the Pixel capture the sky in the background, but the photo has a blue tint, the Porsche looks much more pleasant on the A7IV. Video is even worse when you compare smartphones to cameras.
Maybe close the HDR on pixel we’ll be better
Hmmm. Can the A74 send text messages, make phone calls, stream the web? Pixel camera one of the best, if not thee best smartphone camera today.
Pixel photos are crazy
Did the pro mode help or did you use it to try and get closer to the Camera? i have not played a lot with the pro mode on the P8P yet. but on My LG G4, V30, V40 and V60 i made a lot of use of that feature to get certain things close to what i saw especially at night. Those did less processing compared to what the P8P does. The P7P did not have it (used that phone previous year). I will be looking into that HDR exposure after seeing this comparison. You can off course disable HDR might help for the indoor portrait but outdoors that might not give the best result.
Include taking a portrait shot with the 5x lens, not portrait MODE, just a portrait shot in the normal camera mode zoomed in 5x, at least you get some natural bokeh plus its more flattering than a wide lens, and thats how i take portrait shots on my pixel 6 pro :D
finally pixel one thx you