Canon C70 & What We Want From a C70 Mkii
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2024
- After years with the Canon C70 and recently buying a second one, I discuss the cameras strengths, flaws and what I want in it's successor - The Canon C70 Mkii???
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I've been using the C70 since launch and basically agree with all of this, though I think the C70 is good enough and I'm trying to get it out my head that the next camera will be 'the one' somehow. At the end of the day I feel like we've reached peak camera for the time being. Everything being released over the past 5 years feels like minor tweaks and improvements that aren't necessarily going to change our lives overnight. I also agree that spending over 10k on a camera now feels like diminishing returns and I'm just not sure there is any benefit, you might as well rent an Alexa Mini/35 or a RED Raptor if a project is really asking for it. In the real world the gap has closed so much, and the difference between a project shot on a C70 or FX6/3 and a project shot on an Alexa is more to do with skills and story really.
Yeah agreed. There is a difference at the Alexa level... but that's a tool for a different type of shooting. As an all rounder the C70 is stellar. But, with how much market ground Sony have made I think Canon is going to need to respond. Whatever's coming I expect it's already in the pipe line
I switched to the C70 middle of last year from a RED DSMC2 Dragon and glad I made the move. Way better battery life, autofocus for interviews, and internal NDs! Honestly, most of my clients didn’t know or care I was shooting RED. Definitely seems like Canon needs to either release a C70 MKII or other RF cinema camera to keep things moving. Feels like they haven’t shown a lot of love in that area for a while.
Also, totally agree with your Arri comment. They hold their value like nothing else.
Yes the battery life is so good. Things like that make a world of difference. No longer packing a load of vlocks on planes lol!! I loved our dragon. It is a wonderful camera but the c70 is so freaking versatile. I reckon we’ll get some big announcements from Canon this year and hopefully a 35mm 1.2!
There's one big thing I don't like about this camera (and I've got two of them as well, and an r5c): I don't like the weight and size.
I often use the C70 handheld, and I never enjoy the experience. My left hand is uncomfortably twisted underneath the camera to support the weight, to keep it stable enough, and I get wrist strain. On top of that, I have to remove my hand from that position to adjust focus/zoom, which means I don't react as fast as I like. And while the camera is being supported just by my right hand in the camera grip, the image is shakier than I like.
So, when I can, I prefer to use the r5c for handheld (despite the fact that the battery life on the r5c kills me).
The physical size and weight also makes the C70 a lot less convenient than smaller bodies when you're packing a cabin bag for air travel, or just any time you want to take as few bags as possible. Not to mention for gimbal work.
But I understand that smaller and lighter body is probably an impossible wish to grant...
So, what to change for a C70 Mk II?
Well, the main thing for me is just more of everything where image quality is concerned. More dynamic range, better autofocus, better stabilisation, higher frame rates, cleaner lowlight performance.
Full frame vs super 35 -- well, full frame is great, but I also love the boost in light you get when using the Canon speedbooster EF to RF adapter. So, if it means sacrificing that extra stop of light for full frame, I'd probably prefer super 35 + speedbooster.
I can live without a better LCD screen or SDI connections or full XLR ports (although changing those things would be great).
The auto-ISO doesn't work under some frame rates / picture profiles. I can't remember exactly, but I think it doesn't work for slow motion, and doesn't work for raw.
And the tripod-plate holes on the bottom of the camera -- why aren't they in alignment with the lens? Why, Canon, why?
But at the end of the day, the question for me is, "Why would I upgrade from a C70 Mk I? What would get me to make that jump?" I used a 5D Mk III camera for years without upgrading. Well, the weight/size is one thing that would get me to upgrade. Another is if there's a significant jump in image quality. But I probably wouldn't upgrade just to get a brighter LCD screen and an SDI port. There's countless other filmmaking toys to spend money on instead...
Where the r5c is concerned, though -- upgrade the battery life significantly, and I'll take out my wallet. It's that big of an annoyance to me...
Yeah I hear you. I like the r5c for handheld too, particularly pairing with a 24-70... But I actually add weight with a Zacuto rig to the C70. I'm used to much heavier cameras in the past (Ursa G2, Alexa, RED) and the weight really stabilizes handheld footage in a natural way.
When I just shoot stripped back you can really see the stabilization difference at 25 and 50p... not so much at 100.
We're in no rush to upgrade, C70 is still delivering great for us. But I do think a successor is around the corner sooner rather than later and if it does deliver improved DR, 120fps without long gop and SDI it'll be hard for me not to buy
SDI out is the number one request I'd make. And fix the bottom screw holes on the camera. Maybe add one on each side would be amazing. I love the camera and everything about it, I hope they release some nice portrait lenses to match.
@@deroux yeah no excuse not to have SDI out on the next one. Do you mean some nice APSC/super 35 sized lenses or just some more L series primes? I'm hanging out for the 35mm (using a Sigma Art for now) but the RF's autofocus is better and they're all much closer in look and feel
Now that the C400 has been announced, I'm figuring that Canon will release a C70 Mk ii or a C90 or whatever in about 6-12 months. They've got form for this.
-- They brought out the C300 in November 2011, then the C100 in August 2012. At the time, Andrew Reid on EOSHD called it the C300's "younger, sexier sister". Same sensor, slimmer body, half the price -- at the cost of no SDI, and (I think) fewer slow motion options. I don't think you could do 1080p50. From Canon's perspective, this makes sales sense, right? -- you take the sensor you've already spent millions developing and drop it in a new body to milk money from a different segment of the market.
-- C300 Mk III announced April 2020, then C70 announced a year later in March 2021. Same sensor, but no SDI. Smaller body.
So... what's the bet that what's basically the next iteration of the C70 comes out in June 2025-ish? It'll have to be hit with some sort of cripple hammer, so it doesn't completely cannabilise C400 sales. I think smaller body and no SDI ports is pretty likely. Probably stay full frame and RF mount, because there's no real upgrade from C70 otherwise. I actually suspect it'll keep the 6K raw recording as well, so that it stays relevant for four years. Meaning, that the premium you pay for the C400 would be mainly for more inputs/outputs, and a body more suited for rigging out for narrative work.
@@Voiceimitator I think you’re spot on. We’ve pre ordered the 35mm 1.4. Although the c400 looks great, and I love that it’s 6k Full frame and 4K s35. That’s perfect IMO. Dynamic range is more important to me than low light capabilities. I think it was CVP groups video that showed this has less latitude than the c300mkiii/c70. I’m hoping canons next cinema camera (in 6-18 months I guess/hope?) has a dual or triple gain sensor instead of triple base iso - with hopefully an extra stop or a half stop at least in the highlights. That’s when we’ll take the plunge I think… but likely keep our c70s and. R5c as B/Ccams. I really hope it has SDI though, as the fx6 does I just think all the Cine line except for hybrid cameras should have at least one SDI output
17-55 F2 of F2.8 ideally with some better optics and maybe a slightly wider range would be nice for RF-s.
Hell yeah. I loved my Fuji xt3 18-55 combo. It was such an awesome small setup.
I am shooting with a Canon R6 MK I and RF 28-70 f/2 to an Atamos Ninja V. My wife won't let me buy any more cameras.
How do you find that combo? I've never used the 28-70 F/2, seems like a great lens
@@AlucinorProductions I got my R6 refurbished right after the MK II came out. I bought the lens for my paid work and it's paid itself off a couple times over already.
Legitimate gripes! SDI is needed for sure. Even "improved" display hinge is a joke - c'mon Canon! I just bought a used C70 (with the newer hinge!), graduating from a C100 M2 and I love it (even though I miss my EVF!). The firmware updates were significant and even when the C70 M2 comes out I'll have no regrets buying this camera.
Same here. The c70s are outstanding for our everyday work. No regrets here either. And fortunately we’re decked out with Evf’s and monitors. We’re trying to reign in our spending this year though… but we’ll see lol
Rolling shutter is not good on C70. I hope C70II will got global shutter sensor (Canon introduce developing 19MPx global shutter sensor). 2x CFexpress type B and SSD recording intead of stupid SD cards. C70II should get much much higher quality back tilt screen! And that`s pretty much it, C70 is great tool for filmmakers.
All great points. Yeah I would love a much better screen and if not global shutter, a much faster reading sensor.
Nice video mate! I like the c300 mk 3 but its too expsensive for the competition available on the market. they need a true fx6 competition in a simular body.
Thanks mate. It’s been almost a year lol. You’re 100% spot on. Canon seems due for some fresh blood/cameras. Let’s hope Sony and Canon keep competing and pushing each other so we all benefit on price and features. And you make a great point. A more m
Symmetrical gimbal friendly body would be rad
Aaaaand box style for a new improved C70. I don't use mine (2) like a mirrorless. If they could pull off a variable ND as well I'd be happy. For those rare shots going from light to dark auto IRIS is not the end of the world. Canon is gonna drop some bombs. No doubt in my mind.
Yeah I think lots of people want that box style or at least more asymmetrical and gimbal friendly design. I'd prefer it but it's not one of my must have's... I certainly hope Canon brings their A game on features and value. C'mon SDI!
The display hinge is just horrible. Don‘t understand why it‘s not the same like on the R5 or R3. They work perfectly fine. But the one on the C70 is just crap.
YES! Someone buy this man a beer
I’ve NEVER had an issue with mine and I’ve owned it since it first came out… Lucky I guess
@@tythebelieveguy4228 that’s great. The difference between our older one and our newer on is chalk n cheese. Very loose on the older one, not so bad yet on its younger sibling.. but it’s definitely a weak point that could do with a revision imo
the question is .... when??? Nikon / Sony/ Panasonic / Blackmagic are moving forward... but canon ? nothing ... depressing... before productions company asked if you where using a canon... today they are asking if you are using a Sony....
When is indeed the question. I think Canon tends to do their own thing in their own time. Or perhaps they’re waiting till Sep/Oct to announce at a time when the limelight is firmly on them?
Our personal experience with cameras and clients is that clients hire us for our team, not the cameras we use. I think the days of getting the gig because of your camera (at least in the commercial / corporate space) are long since over. So many cheap cameras are capable of outstanding images.
To me it’s about what enables you to get the shots reliably and as speedily as possible.
Let’s hope when Canon does “return” they bring it! (With SDI)
With Canon, it's usually a while between drinks.
C300 Mk 1 came out in 2011, Mk II = 2015, Mk III = 2020.
5D = 2005, Mk II = 2008, Mk III = 2012, Mk IV = 2016.
So, around a four-year product cycle.
In return for this, though, you get a well-tested and robust (if perhaps unsexy) camera that (usually, mostly) just works. Just turn it on and film. Canon wants to be able to sell it throughout that four-year cycle.
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