I've tried this before, one further trick to add would be: take the track, either run thru Melodyne or program it by ear, use Odin as a "replacement" guitar and THEN run thru an amp sim and copy the eq from the reference...
I’ll do you one better. What I try to do is get the amp on the scratch guitar as close as possible and then BYPASS the cabinet of the plug-in track. EQ match the real guitars to that awful scratchy sound and then drop an IR loader and go to town picking a cabinet that works better for the mix. I’ve gotten a couple garbage tracks that I effectively removed the cab from and then rolled with an IR I made with my rig. BOOM!
bro, I'm about to cry, I am mixing an album right now and I was given no DI just amped guitars with two different tones, this is the solution. Thank you Andrew you rock!!!
I do not know if anyone has done that, but I usually do it for me. I use Izotope Equalize to capture DI guitar and capture my DI guitar. Then EQ match and use it before the Amps. It usually works for me since i dont like my EMG707 so much.
That's amazing! And in this example, it actually retained the "real cab", reverberant lows, making it superior to the straight emulation it was cloned from. Cool!
Wait ... I just read the title again and I don't get it. Why is this called reamping? This is matching. Reamping would be getting the distorted sound back to a DI level and applying a different amp/cabsim later on. Now that would be way harder. I tried it with a reamped signal and the original DI tracks and you can't get a clean sound again, that would be awesome but is nearly impossible with matching.
@@ayeapprove noticed the " " arount the word reamping? Obviously it's not re-amping, it's just "re-cabbing", which makes much more of a difference than just switching the amp and keeping the cab. So basically it is the bigger part of "re-amping".
@@YeOldeFrancke As much as I agree on the fact that the cab/mic plays a huge part in the sound "reamping" means changing the actual amp which would be impossible.
Wow. Our brains really did collectively explode. I have never heard of this trick. Also nice to hear that I'm not the only one whose re-recorded all the guitar parts on an album myself.
Im a guitar nerd so knew about this already BUT ALSO dont forget you can reverse engineer this too. Meaning you can have a ready made tone that you have always liked , ask the guitar player you're recording to play the riff, then match it and boom theres your guitar tone for the session. Its great if someone rocks up to your studio and wanting to use "their equipment".
I've reamped a guitar in logic that I felt was lacking with no DI and without replaying though. Just sent it through logics stock heads and blended it with the original.
This just blew my brains out my ass... Such a easier method instead of having to rerecord a DI and reamp for old guitar tracks / projects, or that moment a week after tracking when you figure out a better guitar tone.
The title kind of suggest that we aren’t using DI to re-amp. In the video, you suggest to replay the part in order to capture a similar better DI track to the original performance. Re-amp then use EQ matching to match a specific tone? Useful technique without a doubt but kind of misleading title on the video.
This is how Dan Swano got Bloodbath's Resurrection Through Carnage tone by matching their guitars to the intro of Entombed's Drowned using the Voxengo CurveEQ. Also, just make it a point that if they don't provide a DI you're gonna whoop their collective asses. This is way more effort than what is necessary in this day and age.
@@atma6178 Dan replied to an old forum back in 2004-2006. I believe he also mentioned that he later he said that for the Entrails records produced after he used Entombed's Chaos Breed tone from the intro instead of Drowned
This is called match eq and you can even create your own IR out of it. But unlike a kemper it's a snapshot of one soundsample. In this case you've played palm muted stuff and matched the same playing with it. It's not gonna sound that close with strumming and open strings. You can however create multiple match eq IRs and combine them with for example LeCab or any loader that allows more then one impulse per side. Also it's not only the guitar and pickups used - even the strings make a great difference.
Okay this is crazy. If anyone knows a cheap/free EQ that does EQ matching, please tell me ! I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist though, but still I try ! :')
I searched quite extensively yesterday and found absolutely nothing (or dead links). But Voxengo make an EQ that does spectrum matching for 75$ I guess. Still cheaper than the 200$ Ozone Izotope 5.
Hey thanks ! I already know about these, and use them for about a year. I often use the ModernConsoleEQ trying to replicate CLA EQing technique. Also the LostAngel (LA2A inspired) and SeventhSign (1176 inspired) are very good. The Vacuumer compressor is handy too, for shaping material such as a too flat snare. You can give some attack back, coupling with a transient shaper (Transient, from Audio Assault does the job quite well). Also I recently found out the Optron 3A, which is a LA3A inspired compressor. Definitely check this one ! ;)
Keeping the "smooth" slider at a low value may introduce crazy resonant peaks or even worse, that can cause the phase to shift in some unpredictable way.. Am I wrong?
What current Izotope product has an EQ capable of the same trick? I don't mind paying for the product (as long as it's cheaper than a Kemper -- otherwise I'll get a Kemper).
With this method, could you take the distorted track and have it essentially create a DI track, by matching the dist. to the section of recorded DI so essentially the first bit but reversed I mean, so that you can reamp and experiment with the DI through various amps etc with?
@@AmperageBassist Well, I wouldn't call it supporting but necessary evil. If you have clients which just don't know what they are doing but of course complain if the recording doesn't sound as their favourite hit record, you go through the hassle of negotiation, additional studio time and multiple stem versions maybe once or twice. After that, you fix the problem just quickly by yourself if you identify clients like that and everybody is happy. And btw. this is usually lost money for the engineer.....
nice trick man. but dude come to the point. video could have been 1:30 min. instead. and it´s not re-amping because if you don´t have any DI you have to play the tracks agian.
Track 35 is hypothetically the one new performance you recorded with the new cab/tone you wanted so you can use it to prime Ozone 5's EQ Matching to apply the new cab/tone to your previously guitar tracks you wanted to change but didn't have DIs for; EQ match old tracks to new tone
"You've captured the cabinet of..." Uhm, nope. A cabinet IR consists not just of an EQ profile, but also of a room profile. All you can do with this trick is approximate EQ curves. But if the amped track you want to correct contains some unwanted room content (like an ugly ambience, shitty room echo, etc.) then it will still be there after applying this EQ trick, maybe even pronounced by the EQ-ing. I agree, it's a neat hack for fast EQ matching, but it has nothing to do with "capturing a cabinet", and it won't fix room issues, which are often worse than just the spectral/tonal issues.
Hi Andrew ...is there a Video for that Bass tone? It sounds awesome... I seen theres a DI Track and a Midi track? Are both running in the song ? Thanks
This is an excerpt from the full Nail The Mix session. In the full session Andrew goes over the entire process of the mix. Check out the notes above for the link.
What's The Ruckus DI means Direct Input. Basically you can plug your guitar directly into the interface and record it that way without having to plug it into an amp
I don't really get it, he does in fact have a DI. It says DI right there in his PT project and you can hear it's dry. He reamped with pod farm and then tone matched abit with an EQ with that capability. How does that mean he reamped without a DI exactly? Is it as in reamping without a reamp box and amp (very obvious how to do relly with a sim) or is it reamping when you don't even have a dry track? I thought it would be trcik to somehow strip off the distortion from a recorded track but i guess that's impossible =/.
You must have missed the part of the video where Andrew talks about playing the part himself. He leans back and asks the other engineers in the room if they have ever played. The response is a definite yes to not just guitars but bass and drums as well. I have received tracks where the amateur players just totally botched the tone and part. I went in as the mix engineer and replayed the part. That's why he talks about having some knowledge about the gear. You need to be able to listen to a mix that's been handed to you and discern whether the guitar being played is a Telecaster or a Paul Reed Smith with double humbuckers. A Gibson Les Paul or a Fender Strat. You should even be able to tell if it's a jazz type base a Precision type base or a straight up metal type Bass with active pickups. You should be able to tell what types of heads were used what type of beater was on the kick drum as well as the depths and she'll type just from hearing the part. I can tell you whether a drum set is birch or Maple just by the way it sounds on the recording before any e queuing has occurred. These are important techniques that should be learned and are an important part of your job as a mix engineer. By the way I am not griping or barking at you or trying to put you down. It is late I'm bored and staying in a hotel... your comment spurred on a dissertation. That is all.
Here's another great trick: you play it on the guitar, then record it. Voila - you have a guitar track. Even works to record it with a better guitar, on click!
Dear Andrew it's 2017 not 2007, do You even know we not only match eq but whole amps and we call it Kemper Profiling Amp? xD I was ho hyped that he would somehow reverse distortion from track using some magic shit, and in result we would have clean DI xD Oh boy...maybe in 2027 :D
this seems to be a bunch of time wasting mumbo jumbo. If I'm replaying the original track, just reamp that shit and bypass all this nonsense of eq matching
This was a quick example of how to do it; I'm sure in an actual song mix situation more care would be taken for stuff like that. Plus, if it sounds good in the mix, phase issues don't matter
He literally says in the video how he wasn't bothering to tweak the new one and with the original one it's meant to be a bad guitar tone for the sake of reamping without the DI
Who's tried this trick??
I've tried this before, one further trick to add would be: take the track, either run thru Melodyne or program it by ear, use Odin as a "replacement" guitar and THEN run thru an amp sim and copy the eq from the reference...
I tried it with John brownes guitar tone
I am now.
I’ll do you one better. What I try to do is get the amp on the scratch guitar as close as possible and then BYPASS the cabinet of the plug-in track. EQ match the real guitars to that awful scratchy sound and then drop an IR loader and go to town picking a cabinet that works better for the mix. I’ve gotten a couple garbage tracks that I effectively removed the cab from and then rolled with an IR I made with my rig. BOOM!
when he played the DI that he made I thought he was gonna say just retrack the song hahaa
As soon as he started talking about playing a similar guitar thats where I thought things were going too, lol
Haha right!
Same lmaooo
bro, I'm about to cry, I am mixing an album right now and I was given no DI just amped guitars with two different tones, this is the solution. Thank you Andrew you rock!!!
Fabfilter Pro-Q2 has eq matching...will definitely be using this trick. Awesome!
yeah. about to say that. I use the pro-Q2 all the time, but izotope in this video performed very close in eq matching. gonna try this one
edit: just tried it. I'm fucking amazed. it's so close
At first I was like "he's just telling us to replay all their parts?" and then he reveals an absolute mindfuck of a tone tip
I do not know if anyone has done that, but I usually do it for me.
I use Izotope Equalize to capture DI guitar and capture my DI guitar. Then EQ match and use it before the Amps. It usually works for me since i dont like my EMG707 so much.
holy shit. this makes so much sense. Thanks for the idea man. gonna try this soon.
.... and totally fixed my tone problems. Thanks.
that's the most mind blowing trick I've ever seen/heard
That's amazing! And in this example, it actually retained the "real cab", reverberant lows, making it superior to the straight emulation it was cloned from. Cool!
Wait ... I just read the title again and I don't get it. Why is this called reamping? This is matching. Reamping would be getting the distorted sound back to a DI level and applying a different amp/cabsim later on. Now that would be way harder. I tried it with a reamped signal and the original DI tracks and you can't get a clean sound again, that would be awesome but is nearly impossible with matching.
im sure this guy hates the fact that noobs comment stuff like this.....
@@jaredchristianson7108 I don't quite get what you mean.
@@ayeapprove noticed the " " arount the word reamping? Obviously it's not re-amping, it's just "re-cabbing", which makes much more of a difference than just switching the amp and keeping the cab. So basically it is the bigger part of "re-amping".
@@YeOldeFrancke As much as I agree on the fact that the cab/mic plays a huge part in the sound "reamping" means changing the actual amp which would be impossible.
You're right. They are probably trying to use trending words to get more exposure, with the cost of misleading
Wow. Our brains really did collectively explode. I have never heard of this trick. Also nice to hear that I'm not the only one whose re-recorded all the guitar parts on an album myself.
How did you redo the vocals without the artist noticing? I hope it was just bgv 😂
Im a guitar nerd so knew about this already BUT ALSO dont forget you can reverse engineer this too. Meaning you can have a ready made tone that you have always liked , ask the guitar player you're recording to play the riff, then match it and boom theres your guitar tone for the session. Its great if someone rocks up to your studio and wanting to use "their equipment".
I've been doing this for years to steal tones from my favorite records! Never thought to do this in a reamp situation
Rory Langdon does this only work for recorded guitars or are you able to get amp and pedal eqs from doing that?
Aa... was thinking, why not just use your recording then, but you only have to record a few seconds to be able to match the tone later in ozone
This guy just saved my band's EP
I've reamped a guitar in logic that I felt was lacking with no DI and without replaying though. Just sent it through logics stock heads and blended it with the original.
This just blew my brains out my ass... Such a easier method instead of having to rerecord a DI and reamp for old guitar tracks / projects, or that moment a week after tracking when you figure out a better guitar tone.
can't believe I've never thought to try this when I pretty much did the same thing to make IRs
The title kind of suggest that we aren’t using DI to re-amp. In the video, you suggest to replay the part in order to capture a similar better DI track to the original performance. Re-amp then use EQ matching to match a specific tone? Useful technique without a doubt but kind of misleading title on the video.
I believe the intention of using 'without a DI' in the title is suggesting you're mixing without having been given a DI.
Think you should try this trick on Rings of Saturn kind of song =))
This is how Dan Swano got Bloodbath's Resurrection Through Carnage tone by matching their guitars to the intro of Entombed's Drowned using the Voxengo CurveEQ.
Also, just make it a point that if they don't provide a DI you're gonna whoop their collective asses. This is way more effort than what is necessary in this day and age.
sick. how did you find out about that?
@@atma6178 Dan replied to an old forum back in 2004-2006. I believe he also mentioned that he later he said that for the Entrails records produced after he used Entombed's Chaos Breed tone from the intro instead of Drowned
i cant believe how close the match was. way better than bias' tone match
This is called match eq and you can even create your own IR out of it. But unlike a kemper it's a snapshot of one soundsample. In this case you've played palm muted stuff and matched the same playing with it. It's not gonna sound that close with strumming and open strings.
You can however create multiple match eq IRs and combine them with for example LeCab or any loader that allows more then one impulse per side.
Also it's not only the guitar and pickups used - even the strings make a great difference.
well. I usually do this trick with eq match in fabfilter Q2. I don't know that izotope can perform a very amazing eq matching
this is amazing
Good luck trying this with a Vitalism song ;-)
2:21 EMG actually has Singlecoils as well ;)
I think he's speaking in terms of traditional singlecoil tones. EMG singlcoils certainly don't sound like stock Fender pickups.
Well that’s Andrew Big Boss Wade for ya. Making magic as usual.
So it is a EQ over original tone. This way u can EQ clone any guitar tone and apply it to a track or a whole mix
wait?? so i guess you could use this to tone match your favourite guitar tones?
Great idea especially for mixing a band who wants their musicians to not be replaced by the producer or session musician. Or if the budget sucks.
This is fucking genius
BAM! Andrew Wade is the man!
That's the sickest thing I have ever seen !!!!! Way to go technology. My mind exploded too !
1:38 I guess that was a day to remember?
Okay this is crazy. If anyone knows a cheap/free EQ that does EQ matching, please tell me ! I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist though, but still I try ! :')
I searched quite extensively yesterday and found absolutely nothing (or dead links). But Voxengo make an EQ that does spectrum matching for 75$ I guess. Still cheaper than the 200$ Ozone Izotope 5.
Logic Pro has one built in called the Match EQ so i would suggest checking to see if your DAW comes with a stock EQ with matching capabilities
Hey, thanks for the info !
I'm running Sonar X3 and I don't think the stock EQ has such feature, but I'll check for it.
Thanks ;)
Hey thanks ! I already know about these, and use them for about a year. I often use the ModernConsoleEQ trying to replicate CLA EQing technique.
Also the LostAngel (LA2A inspired) and SeventhSign (1176 inspired) are very good. The Vacuumer compressor is handy too, for shaping material such as a too flat snare. You can give some attack back, coupling with a transient shaper (Transient, from Audio Assault does the job quite well).
Also I recently found out the Optron 3A, which is a LA3A inspired compressor. Definitely check this one ! ;)
Izotope will give u trial periods maybe 10 days
Keeping the "smooth" slider at a low value may introduce crazy resonant peaks or even worse, that can cause the phase to shift in some unpredictable way..
Am I wrong?
Awesome trick. I've done similar with fabfilter pro q 3
I hit the like button after I wiped my brain off the screen
What current Izotope product has an EQ capable of the same trick? I don't mind paying for the product (as long as it's cheaper than a Kemper -- otherwise I'll get a Kemper).
Ozone should do the trick
Super -- thanks ;-)
Didn't even think this was possible. Thanks for the info!
With this method, could you take the distorted track and have it essentially create a DI track, by matching the dist. to the section of recorded DI so essentially the first bit but reversed I mean, so that you can reamp and experiment with the DI through various amps etc with?
For anyone in the plugin collective I got EQuivocate for free some time ago.
Never pay this guy an hourly rate
That's unbelievably close! Holy shit!
Andrew is really struggling to finish his sentences here
3:50 "It's good to know how to play" tell me you're not talking about re-playing your client's parts yourselves
This is common practice. Just make really sure your client will never know...
@@delamar6199 That's fucking disgusting.
Are you supporting this?
I have witnessed this many times.
@@AmperageBassist Well, I wouldn't call it supporting but necessary evil. If you have clients which just don't know what they are doing but of course complain if the recording doesn't sound as their favourite hit record, you go through the hassle of negotiation, additional studio time and multiple stem versions maybe once or twice. After that, you fix the problem just quickly by yourself if you identify clients like that and everybody is happy. And btw. this is usually lost money for the engineer.....
@@AmperageBassist You've never had musicians ask you to build a Ferrari out of parts from a rusted out Buick Skylark?
nice trick man. but dude come to the point. video could have been 1:30 min. instead. and it´s not re-amping because if you don´t have any DI you have to play the tracks agian.
Man you need to learn to get to the point, made me wanna pull my hair out haha
Old trick but still cool
Gonna try this. Just got some tracks with some seriously butts tones
wow this is amazing
how do you unsubscribe from a channel twice
The dude with the beard is this video's Andy Richter.
Hi,
Track 35 is a DI track, isn't it?... I'm sorry but I didn't understand.....
Track 35 is hypothetically the one new performance you recorded with the new cab/tone you wanted so you can use it to prime Ozone 5's EQ Matching to apply the new cab/tone to your previously guitar tracks you wanted to change but didn't have DIs for;
EQ match old tracks to new tone
Fucking love Andrew Wade, would be a dream to intern him.
That is a really cool trick.
"You've captured the cabinet of..." Uhm, nope. A cabinet IR consists not just of an EQ profile, but also of a room profile. All you can do with this trick is approximate EQ curves. But if the amped track you want to correct contains some unwanted room content (like an ugly ambience, shitty room echo, etc.) then it will still be there after applying this EQ trick, maybe even pronounced by the EQ-ing. I agree, it's a neat hack for fast EQ matching, but it has nothing to do with "capturing a cabinet", and it won't fix room issues, which are often worse than just the spectral/tonal issues.
thank you rob chokehold, very cool!
Who would've thought? You can substitute a DI with a DI?
holy shit that's awsome
Yep. I have done this numerous of times. It's a really dirty trick but it works.
How did Eyal re-record vocals for a band without them knowing lol
thanks Man! great trick!!!
So record the guitar again?! Wtf
My mind is blown!
wow. bang.
Neat trick!
no wonder why Glenn rejects any mix request without a DI track, especially with that Geoffsryche fiasco
Hi Andrew ...is there a Video for that Bass tone? It sounds awesome... I seen theres a DI Track and a Midi track? Are both running in the song ? Thanks
This is an excerpt from the full Nail The Mix session. In the full session Andrew goes over the entire process of the mix. Check out the notes above for the link.
Awesome!
Can y’all please do a dial a good metal tone, with the wage war blueprints album sessions. ❤️
Holy shit.
october 14 2014 ... a day to recall
So make your own DI.
FUCKING INSANE
Didn't know there was directional influence in music
Brain : exploded
What's a DI?
What's The Ruckus DI means Direct Input. Basically you can plug your guitar directly into the interface and record it that way without having to plug it into an amp
Dick Infection
Going on two minutes and the guy hasn't done a d*** thing
8:40 as my brain explodes...
I don't really get it, he does in fact have a DI. It says DI right there in his PT project and you can hear it's dry. He reamped with pod farm and then tone matched abit with an EQ with that capability. How does that mean he reamped without a DI exactly? Is it as in reamping without a reamp box and amp (very obvious how to do relly with a sim) or is it reamping when you don't even have a dry track? I thought it would be trcik to somehow strip off the distortion from a recorded track but i guess that's impossible =/.
It's his own DI that he recorded.
You must have missed the part of the video where Andrew talks about playing the part himself. He leans back and asks the other engineers in the room if they have ever played. The response is a definite yes to not just guitars but bass and drums as well. I have received tracks where the amateur players just totally botched the tone and part. I went in as the mix engineer and replayed the part. That's why he talks about having some knowledge about the gear. You need to be able to listen to a mix that's been handed to you and discern whether the guitar being played is a Telecaster or a Paul Reed Smith with double humbuckers. A Gibson Les Paul or a Fender Strat. You should even be able to tell if it's a jazz type base a Precision type base or a straight up metal type Bass with active pickups. You should be able to tell what types of heads were used what type of beater was on the kick drum as well as the depths and she'll type just from hearing the part. I can tell you whether a drum set is birch or Maple just by the way it sounds on the recording before any e queuing has occurred. These are important techniques that should be learned and are an important part of your job as a mix engineer. By the way I am not griping or barking at you or trying to put you down. It is late I'm bored and staying in a hotel... your comment spurred on a dissertation. That is all.
Ha. Magic!
Here's another great trick: you play it on the guitar, then record it. Voila - you have a guitar track. Even works to record it with a better guitar, on click!
Dear Andrew it's 2017 not 2007, do You even know we not only match eq but whole amps and we call it Kemper Profiling Amp? xD I was ho hyped that he would somehow reverse distortion from track using some magic shit, and in result we would have clean DI xD Oh boy...maybe in 2027 :D
Not everybody has an $1800 piece of gear.
roasted
You see that green box on the bottom right hand part of the screen? With the black handle? That's a Kemper.
Please tell him more about a piece of equipment he has right in front of him.
Off its chops
1,000th person to like this vid!
what on earth
Re Recording sounds like alot less work LUL
YOu are soooo slowpoke
WTF !!!!
No flow in the teachings.
this seems to be a bunch of time wasting mumbo jumbo. If I'm replaying the original track, just reamp that shit and bypass all this nonsense of eq matching
Not a very wise trick imo. Introduces nasty phasing and you can actually hear it if you listen close enough.
This was a quick example of how to do it; I'm sure in an actual song mix situation more care would be taken for stuff like that. Plus, if it sounds good in the mix, phase issues don't matter
Good trick but I could totally hear it's not the same thing.
Could be explained in 3 min instead of 9... lots of useless talkings...
It’s free. If you think it’s useless you don’t have to watch.
....am i really the only person who thinks all of those guitars sound like total dogshit??
He literally says in the video how he wasn't bothering to tweak the new one and with the original one it's meant to be a bad guitar tone for the sake of reamping without the DI
wtf?? this is not re amp. just EQ. this is time lost. put an eq in the track and search the tone, and DONE!