Booker DeWitt (BioShock Infinite): The Story You Never Knew | Treesicle
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Booker DeWitt (BioShock Infinite): The Story You Never Knew | Treesicle
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"Yes, indeed. Booker DeWitt, the man of infinite possibilities, performed the *ultimate* "stop hitting yourself".
Hilarious.
Ben Hicks yep
10:52 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think you got it wrong about how booker dies. While the previous 122 bookers died, it wasn't because of the magnetic repulsion field. some of them may have but the other deaths were because of songbird. As you recall when you meet old Elizabeth, she says "Songbird always stops you". So there had to have been quite a few out of the 122 bookers that survived the magnetic repulsion field and went on to try to save Elizabeth but also failed
So.... The Booker 123 lived because he destroyed the Siphon which activated her true power to teleport Songbird to the Rapture and Crush him!?
+SDS Overfiend what?
He lived because he Manage to destroy the Siphon... That unleashed her true power.. She teleported everybody to the rapture.. Songbird on the outside. He was crushed by the water pressure.
+SDS Overfiend no, before that happens in the game, booker goes to save Elizabeth after songbird takes her away. As you’re going after her, Booker gets killed and it happens many in every time line that he tried as indicated she old Elizabeth says “ Songbird always stops you”. The whole reason why Elizabeth takes you to the future is because she knew you were gonna die like all the others did. As you know that part of the game takes place way later in the story after Booker takes the magnetic repulsion filed. So that means that these guys who made this video are wrong about that being the reason why 123 was different
samdiego I see what you are saying.. Interesting... Great observation.
Speaking of the Luteces, Lutèce is the Roman-era name of the city of Paris, which gives a new twist on Elizabeth's fascination with it.
interesting
Rosalind: *suddenly exists* "Hello dear, my name is Rosalind Lutece."
Elizabeth: *not surprised* "Lutece? I wonder what that name means..."
Rosalind: "My, you're a curious one. It's the Roman-Era name of the city of Paris, France. A beautiful city, I would say."
Elizabeth: *whispers* "Paris..."
Elizabeth: *reads books to find out about Paris*
This is one of the most mind-blowing plots I've ever experienced in a game. Also, probably my favorite shooter game.
Yeah BioShock is the greatest gaming franchise IMO, I've never seen a game actually make you think like that. I've seen plenty that are deep and cause an emotional response (other than anger from the multiplayer lol) but never the way BioShock does
I know right
go watch singularity (its a game)
don't be stupid multiverse theory has been done to death.
+Biddybalboa So that means I can't appreciate the game? You're a special kind of stupid with that logic.
I still play bioshock, anyone else?
Still playing Infinite hahaha Finished it a million times
Same lol
+TheTerrorByte played it on every levels 6 times in 4 days
Treetalk Me that why we here
did any of you complete 1999 mode
this was actually one of your more informative videos, you actually touched on things I never knew
Ben Connor Sweet! We've been trying to improve there so that's awesome!
Treesicle Hey side note, would you mind giving my channel a look, I do anime reviews similar to the videos you make.
Now I feel weird because I shipped Booker and Elizabeth before I knew that they were father and daughter.....
Did you notice that every time you die you are playing a new Booker who didn't die? That means it didn't took Booker 123 times. It took him 123+(all the times you died) times
And if you didn't die? What happens? Good finish? xdd nah, I don't know what happens if you didn't die in the game
Every time you die you are in fact not playing a new Booker, Elizabeth revives you every time you die. During the parts in the story when Elizabeth isn't with you when you die you simply pass out. Your theory is interesting but definitely not quite accurate.
Augustus Sinclair Due to the fact the Booker you play as is the original Booker you can not fail on your journey until you reach the end where Elizabeth reveils the truth so I'd say yes he just passes out. I remember coming up with a little bit better explanation but I'm a little rusty on my Infinite info since I've been playing a lot of other games lately.
Original Booker? what? the fuck you talking about?
Jesus M. I'm talking about the Booker you play as in Infinite
God damn you guys explain it way better than any Bioshock Infante explain video I have ever seen. :0
Pablo Cordova huzzah! we did it! Glad you liked it :)
Treesicle I'm damn glad Microsoft was nice enough to give this game free for downloading to any Xbox live gold members that so chose to download it. First Bio Shock game I ever played and good thing too since it's set in time before the first two games. Bought Bio Shock 1 and 2 immediately afterwards. Is this what I have been missing all these years?
Bone Drone You need to buy also Burial at sea part 1 and 2, they complete the storyline, gap between bioshock infinite and bioshock 1 and have a great story too
abecadlo15
I have after I beat the campaign. Sorry about the delay in communication. Vacation time.
i agree
Isn't the ending a massive paradox? He dies before he becomes Comstock, meaning he never has to get killed, meaning nobody killed him, meaning someone is going to kill him, meaning he never existed, meaning this never happened, so he now exists, and then has to die again...
Yes it's a paradox because if he dies as Comstock he would never exsist meaning the game never happened meaning that nobody killed him meaning the game happened meaning that it didn't happen meaning... Ever heard of the grandfather paradox this is basically that except you're killing yourself not your grandfather
***** But Zachery Comstock would still be alive in one of the millionth universes.
Michael Simonsen exactly meaning that Booker's sacrifice was for nothing considering that Ana Dewitt is omniscient she should know that...there would be at least 1 universe where Booker didn't let himself be killed
Drake Richardson in multiverses every time a decision is made a different multiverse is created where he did it differently this would still hold true for this where in a multiverse was created where Booker DeWit did not let himself be killed he can't simply mind control every other Booker to do what he does that would require him to have the power of mind control and multiversal communication that is infinite and originals have no effects on the other multiverse versions of them
honestly if we're being honest the only explanation that makes sense would be that Ana can merge every universe in existence (which is impossible that's like trying to get infinity into one small spot) temporarily but even if that's the case Booker DeWit could deny the priest in this universe as well completely eradicating Comstock by making him Booker DeWit (or kill the priest) before this event in every universe or during the event preventing the struggle from happening
Devin Venneman Only if all parties were still trapped within their timelines, Elizabeth is just the opposite. With her power she can alter and kill off any universes where Columbia happened.
Booker: "Fine, we'll go to fucking Paris. What am I, your father?"
I - um... Yes, you are.
i just made a parallel universe by posting this comment
+YAY and another
+YAY and another
+YAY Or maybe you didn't. You can't know for sure. As you know, it's all about constants an variables.
What if you posting this comment is not a variable, but a constant? Therefor you would post this comment in every possible universe, hence, not creating new ones ; )
+YAY I also made one
Seth Cowling wow i just made another
God i love Bioshock, its a piece of art.
Yes indeed
THE ULTIMATE STOP SLAPPING YOURSELF!
Great video, but I disagree on a few points. I didn't see anything that said all 122 of the previous Bookers died from the shield thing, just that he was in the minority for surviving. In fact, the Booker that led the Vox revolution proves that. Without Comstock there was no Columbia. Those universes had Rapture or some other city with a lighthouse. The revolutionary Booker was fighting Comstock, which means he started the game on that row boat, same as you. So there were multiple Bookers who survived the shield potion thingy.
Maybe they died later, idk im no expert.
+Nick Campbell I explained it under Theevil6ify's comment below. There really is no explanation other than the fact that it's a major plot hole. My reply to him explains it in much greater detail.
+Nick Campbell I agree, its possible that 123 wasn't the only booker to survive the shield vigor; heck after 122 failures why would the lutece's think its worth it to keep trying? Others may have survived (though the chances may be low) but they may have instead died following a different path. Multiverses are spawned from the various decisions that people make. Those bookers or other people in the same universe as those bookers may have made a choice somewhere that resulted in their failure... In one universe Comstock chose to hide Elizabeth away thus leading Booker to join the Vox and die during the revolution... maybe in another universe Booker chose to steer the ship to Paris instead of New York and thus was not betrayed by elizabeth, but this meant he was awake when the vox showed up to steal the ship and died trying to fight them off; or maybe they avoided the Vox, only to get caught by Songbird instead and died. There are many ways the other Bookers could have failed
And heck, If all the multiverses exist at the same time, 123 might not even be the LAST booker. That other booker we saw with the other Elizabeth at the lighthouses might have been booker 293 who also managed to make it the end of the game. Heck each elizabeth we see at the end of the game could each be an elizabeth that a different version of Booker was successful in unlocking her true powers. There's a lot of possibilities.
When i heard that "there will always be a lighthouse a man a city" i thought of dishonored the city dunwall, the man corvo. A lighthouse the last mission involved you going into a light house to save emily
+Nick Campbell Many survived the shield, but 123 was the only one to survive songbird at the end because of the future Elizabeth. Which this video, as good as it was, did not mention.
it is called bioshock infinite because thers infinite universes
christy darner Du'h....
christy darner it's called Bioshock because it's a shock... to.. the bio..logy...of - shit never mind.
+Patrick Grant Its called Bioshock because you can alter genetics with adam.
Julian H haha dude I was kidding, but you're right, and it's an awesome premise
christy darner no shit
You guys definitely deserve more subs! It is amazing how much work you put into your videos. You should be at 1,000,000 by now :)
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Well, I hope you get there soon :)
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So i just watched the 10k sub special video and you said you were going to try to improve your quality. but your quality already is top notch, if you guys started this 2 years ago you would have like 5 million subs + so don't worry about the quality. the script, the editing everything is so damn good congrats!
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An excellant video though the only nitpick i have is the point you make about Booker joining the Vox. Booker did NOT join the vox because he wanted to help save the minorities from oppression like you said; he joined the Vox because in that universe he needed their help to get to elizabeth.
Unlike the original universe, in THAT universe Comstock made the choice(the heads or tails decision that multiverses are created from) to take Elizabeth from her prison in the monument and bring her to his palace before booker got to her. Booker realized that the palace was too heavily fortified for him to break in alone an thus needed help. He soon found his old acquaintance Slate who was part of the Vox; They made a deal, if Booker helped them with their revolution they would help him break into the palace a get to get the girl. Booker however was killed with slate in the hall of heroes. Booker didn't actually care about their fight, but Fitzroy framed his death as a heroic act of martyrdom to serve their cause. The posters we see are just Vox propaganda. Booker was just a selfish man who helped the vox for his own self-interest, but to fitzroy his death served their narrative of the Vox being heroes against oppression.
This video first made my mind be blown into a million pieces then it reconnected all of it together through the jokes and hilarity. And now all I can think about is riding into war on a moose. Great video guys!
Zachary Isawesome Right?? Thats some elvish shit right there!
ShakespeareDude you are in a parallel universe :)
Damn, that entire ending portion of your script was brilliant and somehow heartwarming. You really nailed how by spending time with his daughter, Booker had basically inadvertently absolved himself of his deeds and finally became a tragic hero.
But this did bring up one issue that struck me as odd. If the version of Booker that became Comstock did so as a result of forgiving himself for his racist atrocities at Wounded Knee... Why would he then choose to embrace the same racism that caused him so much guilt? It's not like mistreating other races is a huge step down from straight up murdering them.
And I shall forever refer to Dewitt as 123.
That's why I dislike the ending for the Burial of the Sea Part 2.
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While the end was beautiful and genius just like the Infinite ending but this time from the CONSTANT side. In the end whatever they did they had a part to fill which no matter how much they tried to get away from they WILL end up there.
Without everything that went through Elizabeth Bioshock's story would have never happened.
All of that is really amazing and I could talk about it for hours but like I said I DO dislike the ending. WHY?
Booker. That's why. Booker has made the Ultimate sacrifice dying millions of times just to make sure that Anna could have a better happy life.
But than Anna simply throws her life away to save the Little Sisters and to make a difference in Rapture's fate.
Which I STILL understand and it's a really heroic thing. But I think that Booker's death was completely unnecessary by the end of the Burial at the Sea 2.
What's more I think it was a dick move from Anna to go to Rapture after so many years and remind Comstock who was a completely different person by than (Booker) and still punish him in a brutal way even tho he was a much better man and even took care of an orphan girl Sally.
I think that Comstock in that universe has suffered enough already in fact he suffered SO MUCH that he rather fled to Rapture just to forget what he have done.
Did he deserve it? Yes he did but at the same time I think that he should have given another chance.
what?
Moreno Gentle
What I meant is that Booker's sacrifice was pointless since Elizabeth decided to throw away her life.
Even if it's for the greater good it makes Booker's ultimate sacrifice pointless.
It's pretty sad.
Krisztian Bari now i get it
Booker sacrificed himself so that Comstock could not exist, nothing more or less.
Niklas Rosén
And why do you think he did that genius?
It was for Elisabeth of course. I mean wasn't that CRYSTAL CLEAR?
Wow....great fucking episode guys!!! Definitely can't wait for the next one.
Metal Gear!!!
Mike Cirillo Thanks man! We're excited too!!
"The man of infinite possibilities, performed the ultimate stop hitting your self."I just died. XD
Isn't Booker's death a serious paradox?If he's drowned by Elizabeth, then he would never go on to become the man who fathered her, thus she would not exist. This means that she wouldn't be able to go back in time and drown him.
If that's the case though, then Booker would survive, go one to father Elizabeth and then get drowned by her, meaning that he wouldn't exist to father her and then...
...why is my nose bleeding?
I think she was already born or had his wife pregnant with her by time of the battle.
11:50 that moment... that moment right there, no game has every given me the same emotional response. Amazing
When the laws of probability no longer work, something is wrong with the quantum world.
+Trinexx360 I really like your icon a lot!
honestly this quantum idea has barely any stake in actual science.
and this is why bioshock infinite is one of my favourite games of all time
Well,there's only one issue with Liz's idea of drowning Booker and saving all universes. If she drowns Booker, there would be another universe where they failed at it and hence there comes Comstock. But this is not a flaw since they didn't conclude anything judging by the post-credits scene. They left it ambiguous. We don't know whether she's in the crib or not, just like Schrödinger's cat.
10.Sofia Lamb
8.Fitzpatrick
7.Daisy Fitzroy
6.Atlas
5.Slate
4.Subect Delta
3.Sander Cohan
2.Elizabeth
1.Booker/Comstock.
The whole multiverse aspect of this game was fascinating and the ending was touching. This game is really an experience.
But, I see a huge plot hole...
When Elizabeth takes you (at the end of the game) to the universe where Booker accepted the baptism, she isn't drowning the Booker who accepted the baptism. She's drowning the guilt-ridden, gambling-addicted Booker we've played the whole game as. They kinda gloss over that whole bit.... She hasn't killed Comstock.
Oh, and also it's literally impossible to "stop Comstock from ever existing" because in multiverse theory there are INFINITE universes in which Booker accepts the baptism and becomes Comstock. I mean, when you throw multiverse theory into anything, action of any kind becomes meaningless. Even from her omniscient, god-like stance at the end of the game, Elizabeth can't do crap against the concept of eternity.
"Elizabeth regains her full power because they destroyed the thing I never told you about."
bwahahaa I love how that plot point could be cruised over
HOLY......I can't wait for the next episode....Snake is the boss....the Big Boss. Make sure that one is awesome guys.
PastorGains He's a complicated character but that means there's lots of interesting stuff to cover. The blessing and curse of Metal Gear's crazy plot. Glad you're looking forward to it :)
Treesicle his name is venom snake In phantom pain
Thank you for doing what you do. I have been binge watching these videos. Keep up the good work.
William Watson Thanks a lot William! We definitely will!
mind=blown
After both this and playthrough of Infinite
Quantum physics are so awesome to use in games.
There need to be more games about quantum physics.
Thank you this is the BEST EXPLANATION OF BIOSHOCK INFINITE, I could have found, have found or will find on the web!
Ehhhhh the only thing Booker did was stop that universe from dealing with a comstock it means nothing in the other universes, this is where messing around with the idea of multiverse just muddles everything
Universe 1 Booker takes part in the battle of wounded knee and feels guilty.
Universe 1023 Booker takes part in the battle of wounded knee and takes pride in what he did
Universe 2079 Booker guilt leads him to religion and he becomes Comstock but is a champion of the oppressed
Universe 5025 Booker kills Elisabeth
Universe 5026 Booker kills Elizabeth by accident
Universe 10986 Booker never took part in the battle of wounded knee
Universe 20369 Booker died in the battle of wounded knee
Universe 30512 Booker never sells his child
basically what im saying is Comstock is not gone. there is no way to get rid of him, some where in infinity he will be there. the idea that Elizabeth can see infinity is preposterous as she wouldn't be able to see infinity as ever changing and warping. i think what she was seeing was billions upon billions of universe that were similar to hers
Very well done Sir you put him in a light that even I didn't didn't consider and I played the game at least 4 times. Excellent job.
you lost me man. you lost me. it's like my chemistry class all over again.
+abdou salem It's not chemistry mate, it's physics. But don't worry in another universe it may be referred to as chemistry. :P
+Chris R. (Roodey) ayy :)) quantum physics has made all of us wiser
+Chris R. (Roodey) ayy :)) quantum physics has made all of us wiser
Except this is a LITTLE more complicated.
+Khoa Pham You can say that again. What's funny is that this game got me into Quantum Mechanics. I recently read a treasury on Physics, Astronomy, and Mathematics, where I drew many comparisons to BioShock Infinite. You know what's funny though? The experiments that were mentioned here (Such as Schrödinger's Cat) were directly mentioned in the book. The odd thing was, I never seen this video until now. When I ultimately stumbled upon this video, I had the most fantastic nerdgasm! Hahahahahaha. Even then, there were some other experiments like the CERN particle collider and the experiment with the suspension of particles at a fixed height ( using liquid nitrogen and the use of an electromagnetic field) that also made me draw comparisons to Infinite.
This is still one of the most moving video games I've ever played. Incredible! Awesome re-cap/analysis guys!
I KNEW YOUD GET HUGE!!! I love you guys, keep it up!
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That's what she said
Sigh....
"booker performed the ultimate stop hitting yourself" ahahah see that's why i love this channel so bad,the researc,the discussion,the editing the effort you put into it and the smart humor. i'll keep following and supporting you it's really well done you should get more views,i think it's becoming one of my fav
Yay baguettes!
I just played this game for the first time a couple of days ago and I still can't get over the ending. I didn't see it coming at all. thank god that I wasn't spoiled somehow, after having waited to play it for so long.
Please do Geralt of Rivia!
+SketchTM We did! Check out our Story You Never Knew playlist to see it :)
Ah, sorry guys. Thanks for letting me know!
That rendition of "Will The Circle Be Unbroken" is so beautiful and fitting for this story. just finished my 4th playthrough. by far one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had.
Great you've peaked my intrest. Now I have to research Undertale and Bioshock Infinite.
***** Sadly I'm not sure my parents would approve of a game with swearing. Sad, it looks fun though.
+Ninja Reaper if your parents dont want to it, than just turn off your sound when they are near
That glitch at 9:52 was hilarious
Why would it really matter if Comstock was around in other universes? If we take the idea that there's infinite universes with infinite possibilities into consideration, then no matter how many times they undo the possibility of Comstock (or try to) then he'll just show up in another reality.
...Unless there's something about quantum physics that I'm missing?
***** Yeah, I'd say that Infinite and it's add on are the weakest entries in the series in terms of story. It just doesn't work if you put too much thought into it.
Lucas Brock I think that when the Elizabeths kill Booker at the baptism they just erase all the branches that separated from one couple of universes A (Booker) and B (Comstock). There are other infinite universes A and B, but they don't count as they are completely separate universes. I hope to have been clear, sorry for bad English.
Sasy Ryan
Wait, if those branches are infinite then they can't be erased because there's no end to them. The only way Elizabeth could stop Booker from being Comstock in some universe would be to basically erase Booker himself from existence, which still wouldn't work because of the whole infinite universe deal.
Jewbear1884 Yes, they are infinite, but they all have the same origin, so that can be virtually possible.
***** but what if in a universe Booker isn't eliminated mindfuck
NO, it's not some random anomaly because of the magnetic shield that broke the cycle, it was the intervention from the future, old Elizabeth! Sure, maybe half the time Booker did die from the magnetic shield and that's why the Luteces were surprised, but it was because future Elizabeth gave present Elizabeth the card with the cage symbol on it. That's how she was able to stop Songbird from taking her back to the tower and killing Booker like he does almost EVERY time. I can't believe you guys completely left that out.
So by killing all versions of Booker during the baptism after wounded knee, does that mean Elisabeth also kills herself since she hasn't been born at that point?
yep
Mirza Taufikurahman I actually thought about it a little more and I think this is the answer: when the Booker who accepted the Baptism is killed (drowned by Elisabeth), preventing Comstock from being born, all version of Elisabeth with powers dies but the alternate universes were Booker is her father (and she isn't kidnapped) lives on.
+Davpe357 You got it, only the Bookers that would accept the Baptism, thus becoming Comstock, would get drowned, the Bookers that refuse would live on, have a child but never sell it because Comstock doesn't exist to try and steal her.
You guys are great. please don't stop doing what you're doing. a lot of us love and appreciate it. plus, the negotiator has the same name as me
You should do one of Jack Ryan from BioShock 1.
Did you play the game or not?I mean he was Andrew Ryan not Jack Ryan
Amazing. This game changed my life, and this video reaffirmed it.
...Am I the only one who doesn't get confused by Quantum Physics and Quantum Theories?
+ThatOneGuy EveryOneKnows no, I understood it, too.
We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us. intriguing how much meaning that simple line from 1960 under the Atlantic Ocean has had throughout all these games.
Can u explain Burial At Sea?
so much detail and possibilities this game has
i love the story you never knew
Ties Vermeulen And it loves you
Treesicle yes someone/somefing loves me
this really explains the true significance of the whole story the first time i finished the game i felt unsatisfied like all my hard work was for nothing when the answer was so simple but after watching this video i realized that this was a story about choices and how truly powerful they are and that even though we might regret them we just have to learn to make better ones in the future
Aaron Eckhart would be the best booker for a bioshock infinite movie
In the second universe Booker didn't become a member of the vox for his sins or because he wanted redemption.
He joined the vox so they can help him to save Elizabeth, who is not in the statue but in the Comstock's house.
Great video anyway!
If this Booker is 123, then where's the door giveaway?
Many people are missing the whole storyline of burial at sea , the dlc showed how the whole drowning thing failed it instead made booker never to sell his child, so then Comstock alive from another universe lives as booker in Rapture and tells us how Bioshock:Infinte is a prequel to the REAL GAMES
wow your channel is very underated. you are funny! im subcribing
Nate Wagenblast Thanks man! We appreciate it!
wow just noticed spelt subscribing wrong
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God damn it! The freaking soundtrack in the background brought back all the feels
Ikr
I love this serie btw but there is a hole in this theory. If it's indeed about parallel universes then cumstock is not in every universe dead. There needs to be a universe where he didn't accept dead and flee. Probably more then 1. But yea that happens if you start talking about parallel universes. (Sorry if there is any bad grammer, I'm from the netherlands so yeah :) )
Treesicle I think at the end, when you said he went to a universe where he accepted the baptism, becoming Comstock and Elizabeth drowned him, it's actually a moment BEFORE he accepts the baptism, meaning the universes couldn't happen. I watched a really good video on it that explained that there are constants and variables. The constant in the story is Booker being at the baptism. The variables are when the choice is made. It just introduced more variables if he's drowned after accepting it. If he's drowned before it branches off, it cuts it off so that no Bookers OR Comstocks exist, effectively destroying all of the universes that existed, exist, or will exist.
I love his voice
Crafting Menace and his voice loves you
And Change_Da_World loves both of you....
Change_Da_World I do??????
Change_Da_World Yep, I love you too.....me
Its called the Potato voice.
That multi-theory spectrum with Bioshock reminds me a ton of the Higurashi series. They go through multiple outcomes until they finally get one to break the cycle of destruction and death. If you haven't seen Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, I highly recommend it for it's similarities to Bioshock in the importance of choices and various outcomes.
Wait how is this "the story you never knew"? If someone has beaten the game, they already know all of this....
That's what I was thinking. But it's a nice reminder of how awesome and beautiful the game was, especially if you haven't played it in a while.
+AlutaShade I came here thinking that was something I didn't know too xD
But there's people that didn't understand in game, I think
***** I didn't mean that. And you just said yourself what I did, some people didn't understand things and that's it. No shame at all.
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hahahahaha you're cute, mate. I beat the game twice (including the DLCs) before I watched this video. I thought this video was going to reveal some aspects that maybe I missed, but it just talked about everything I already knew after the first play through. It's hilarious you call me the "dumb ass kid" when you're too mentally incapable of grasping the concepts of parallel universes and have to play through the game multiple times just to understand it all. GG buddy.
Everyone else who attempts to make sense of Bioshock Infinite's story whines about how Booker accepted his death far too easily and how the game never explains how Elizabeth got her powers, this is the first proper explanation for these things I've seen. Amazing video, you've earned yourself a subscriber.
It just takes intelligence to figure out all the answers in this game... and well a few playthroughs. Anyone who didn't like or didn't understand this game at all probably smoked kool-aid packets as a kid.
I truly love this game, as it is an amazing work of art, but there's STILL, after all the analyzing people have done on it, some aspects that don't really add up about it like:
1. If Booker originally gave up baby Anna because of a gambling debt, then how did Comstock get her? Was he the owner of a casino or something?
2. The whole thing of the cat experiment and the npc's being dead and alive simultaneously has never made sense to me. They can only be dead and alive simultaneously from the point of view of the person simply *wondering* whether or not they're alive. That doesn't add up to them EXISTING in a state of flux between life and death. It's just a perspective thing. And in the game, why are SOME characters in a death/life flux and getting nose-bleeds and whatnot and not ALL of them? If there are infinite universes, then obviously some versions of people's selves will be dead while others are still living. What makes some of them experience this and not others when everyone should have died in other universes?
3. If Elizabeth's finger was caught in just one separate universe, why is she able to travel to any one of them instead of just that one, since that's the only reality that a part of her singular self resides?
4. Why is the entire multi-verse that exists depend entirely on Booker and his baptism? Shouldn't each reality diverge from the very instant time and space began, and not just this one guy's life?
5. How did Elizabeth think that killing that one version of Booker, the one she traveled with in the game's main story, would erase all the other Bookers and effectively Comstock, when he wasn't the "original" Booker? He was the 123rd, so how would all the possible universes diverge from him and his choice on the baptism? She clearly was wrong about it, hence the events that took place in the DLC, so...wtf?
6. WHO the fuck was that Booker in the game's final post-credits shot? Just some random Booker in another universe or what?
***** After hours of Wiki-reading and rewatching the ending about seventeen times, this is all my understanding:
1. Comstock agreed to pay off Booker's gambling debts in exchange for Anna, so I always thought it went: Booker hands Anna over to Comstock, Comstock gives him money, Booker gives money to debt-collectors.
2. This is probably just a plothole that the devs ignored for the sake of an understandable story, but my idea is that Elizabeth's presence in such worlds is the key. These dead-or-alive NPCs would go on just fine as they would in their respective lives as people normally do, but Elizabeth, manipulator of time and space, is a disruptive variable in all of these times and her very presence. Her traveling to one universe after having just arrived from a universe in which NPC 1/2/3 is dead could upset the balance of 1/2/3's identities and mental stability. Who knows. Could just be all the weird freaky tear shit that seems to follow her around; simple exposure to the tear machine aged and made Comstock sterile, so who knows what prolonged exposure to tears/Elizabeth could do (I'm thinking of the "72 hour quarantine" signs within Monument Island).
3. She was never limited to just traveling between just two worlds; the mere act of her body existing into two universes was enough for her abilities to start "breaking the rules" of the multiverse. This isn't exactly a phenomena that's ever been studied before, lol, so we can't assume she'd only be able to travel between one or two worlds. But I follow your logic and agree that would/possibly should have been an understandable limitation.
4. The multiverse isn't reliant on only Booker, but this story is. There are a "million million worlds," but Elizabeth and Booker consider Columbia their problem to fix in a way, so that's what they and the ending focus on. In those last few minutes she's not trying to study the entire world's problems or say EVERYTHING revolves around them (though preventing a lot of deaths does), she's just make him understand his role in the story so he will help her destroy Comstock forever.
5. I didn't understand this at first either, and people seem to interpret it two ways: either this is still just one Booker among many and there are other godly Elizabeths out there that got to drown Booker, the cycle goes on, etc., but I think that defeats the purpose of you completing the game, so I think it's idea 2: Elizabeth has brought Booker to a nexus of universes; the final baptism in which she drowns him is at once every baptism he ever took that made him Comstock. I mean, she's like God now, so she kind of transcends and SETS the rules of time-travel/multidimensional possibility. I know it's highly unlikely and barely explained, but that's the only thing that makes sense to me personally. (As for the Comstock in the DLC, this is one reason among many why the DLC makes no sense to me, but my friend postulated that since this Comstock comes from a universe where Anna died as a baby, she never grew up to drown him in the past, thus he survived. I don't buy that bc I personally think BAS's entire premise is totally illogical, but whatevs.)
6. If we accept that Elizabeth drowned all the baptism Bookers, then the post-credits man would be the Booker who never became Comstock, therefore had Anna, and did not sell her since Comstock no longer exists to buy her. It could be any of those Bookers or all of them at once; I don't imagine it matters. (Perhaps the next multidimensional deviation occurs when he walks into the room and discovers whether Anna's actually in her crib or not?)
***** Well... kinda sorta. I agree that the exact Booker and "Elizabeth" that we knew first no longer exist (Especially after Burial at Sea), but I would argue that Booker as well as "Anna" would have memories of their "past life". After the credits, Booker clearly shows signs of remembering the events of the game, and since Booker with all of his memories lived on, who's to say that Elizabeth, now Anna, wouldn't live on as well, with her memories of her" past life" coming to her over time as well?
kero110 With number 4, you said "There are a million million worlds". This is close but still incorrect. For the multiverse theory to hold any legitimacy there would have to be an infinite amount because the way a new universe is created is at each time a variable can be changed a new universe or universes are created. So for example, Booker had the choice to become baptized, in one universe he chose not to and that creates the Booker that is our protagonist of the game. At the same time another universe is created and in this one Booker chose to be baptized and chooses to change his name to Zachary Comstock, our antagonist. There is an unfathomable amount of different universes created at this moment that has Booker choosing different names and what he chooses to do after baptism and so on but in the game the two main universes are the most important because those two Bookers clash.
One Hat Pat I was quoting Elizabeth's explanation because it's the easiest method of explanation and for all we know, possibly the most accurate, since she is God at this point and would know if it's really a multiverse or not. There are a lot of things that hint this ISN'T actually an infinite multiverse, one of which is the existence of the unavoidable "constants" that always remain in effect no matter what Booker or Elizabeth do in Columbia, and the fact that if it were an infinite multiverse, that means Booker stayed Booker in half and became Comstock in the other half. How do you have half of infinite? Two infinite numbers? Furthermore, how could they have destroyed an infinite number of worlds (in which Comstock existed) in the ending? I can sort of handwave this because, yeah, Liz = God at this point, but the mythos of this world so far has given us boundaries, so I'm inclined to believe for the point of narrative coherency, the only worlds that exist for the story - or at least the ones Booker and Liz have access to - are finite. It's not as poetic as infinite universes, but it's more consistent with the parameters of the mechanics and storytelling in the game.
+Theevil6ify To answer Number 2: The fact that they fluctuating is entirely due to the fact that he killed them in another timeline while the Booker in their timeline didn't. However, when he went into their timeline, his timeline bled into theirs, thus making them feel the strain of both timelines at the same time, and, thus, causing them to experience both timelines at the same time.
This is awesome. Very well put together. Makes a lot of sense. And whoever didn't like it must be slow or can't comprehend
*Comments on how this is related to illuminati and how short Tyler is*
Not Cookie classic
Everything from 13:50-16:00 was just beautiful and inspiring. The rest was just hilarious. thanks for both.
Can someone explain what the lutecce's motivations where?
Why are they helping booker?
Guilt, the Luteces helped Comstock and by doing so gave Booker the option to sell Elizabeth, "Bring us the girl, and wipe away the debt.", Booker being confused from the war and in debt from gambling did so and right away realized he had made a horrible mistake and tried to get her back, if you played Infinite then you know he failed and because he failed Elizabeth lost her Pinkie, after that Booker went into deep depression for 20 years in his apartment but one day the Luteces decided they wanted to help him due to their own guilt from what happened.
"Bring us the girl, and wipe away the debt."
DukE_HenrY I have played infinite and love it! It's just been a few years and after watching this video, it got me thinking.
That makes sense, thanks for the explanation!
+Edgar Patlan No Problem, if you have any other questions feel free to ask me them.
also Comstock killed them. they then wanted revenge on Comstock and they did it by helping booker take elizibeth from comstock
So they waited for almost 20 years or did they just teleport Booker from 1893 to 1912?
I truly live this series, its like finding the deeper meaning in books but with subjects i personally care about. And the best part is that each person could read their meanings differently. Props to you guys, i will be tuning in to more of these! (Btw, do handsome jack)
"I used to be a Booker Dewitt like you, then I took a wound to the knee."
-Comstock
Unpopular opinion puffin here, I hated almost every minute of this game. Forced myself to finish so I'd never play it again. Gameplay was meh IMO, the story (which I spoilered on RUclips before buying) wasn't mind blowing like everyone seemed to find it, the ending has what I consider a major plothole which invalidates everything Elizabeth says in the fifteen minutes of exposition (unless 2K and Irrational are using a time travel theory I'm not aware of). One important detail in Burial at Sea kind of invalidates Infinite's ending. Info-dumping everything at the end is not really a good way to tell a story. And Elizabeth, I don't quite see why everyone loves this character. E3 2012 Elizabeth (and Bioshock Infinite) are the versions I would have wanted. This Elizabeth just infinitely spawns ammo and health and the AI are completely blind to her so she doesn't have to hide ever. At least the graphics were..oh wait, way too much vaseline.
The Last of Us is an AI companion and story done right. If you liked this game, then good for you, because I didn't
To sum it up for people who don't want to read this essay:
I don't like this game. It is my opinion and I hope you don't bash me for my opinion. Many of you like this game, but I don't.
14yo Body Builder Listen to this guy! He sums it up nicely :D
siloPIRATE Why thank you PIRATE! :D
14yo Body Builder Think it was about a quarter to halfway through the way through where I began having doubts. Think I looked online or something and it showed me what was going on, but the enjoyment was pretty much over
siloPIRATE I know what you mean. I personally liked the game but not as much as to praise the game and bash others for not liking it. I have common sense to know that this isn't your taste in gaming.
It is weird how a story could be told in a different manner (by you) and feel so refreshing, yet make me feel so emotional at the same time.
I may have made this comment in another dimension, or maybe I did not.
But I'm glad I did. -pats James See #123 on the back-
In my opinion, this is one of the best SYNK. Hands down, so well that this is the video I hit Subscribe.
fun little fact upon completing the game if you go for a second playthrough the coin that was heads turns to tails and the statue displaying the woman at the start turns into a man
Wow. That was quite amazing! The game's storyline by itself blew me away, but the little things I missed the first time through that this video highlights are quite phenomenal.
It’s 2020. I’m watching this video and now I wanna play this game for the 4 time!
The way Booker is described in the beginning makes me think of the flash game series "Myosotis". Detective Rick tries going back in time, multiple times, to save his wife, Lily, from being shot, but each attempt comes out wrong and ends up making his world even worse. Millions of Rick clones appear, making the real one #237, and copies of Lily get fused together into a nightmarish monster.
I was playing this on xbox back in 2017, and I never got past one part because the thing wouldn't stop going in circles. As soon as I got past it, I died, and it brought me back there and I couldn't remember how to get back to that point. So I just said "fuck it" and quit.
*Yeah 10/10 good game best story.*
A dimension is like a picture. It can be made from old or new paper but can last for a mere minute then end in the snap of your fingers. And you can always make a copy of a picture being exact or different or adding something new. There can be 1 dimension that can be made into infinite others, being same or not, ending and beginning at the same time or not. Then there are infinite pictures of a single second. One thing different or not. In short words: "A single picture can be a whole new world... or more" -Joker's Vault 2017
The explanation of the flip a coin thing blew my fucking mind way more than it should have
so you're telling me that i am not the first me. actually makes a lot of sence now that i think about it. bioshock thought me more than school has in my entire life span. thank you
For me the fascinating thing about quantum physics and multiple dimensions is that it completely nullifies the idea of "free will." When Elizabeth takes Booker back to the time when he handed his child over, he refuses to do so. However Elizabeth convinces him when she says, "It doesn't matter. You already have" (or something like that.) After this point is made Booker reluctantly goes through with the deal.
If it's unclear what this means I'll explain; Elizabeth is commenting on the fact that it doesn't matter whether or not he hands over the child because in some dimension somewhere he already did. Basically at every point in life where a decision has to be made, there are an infinite number of alternate universes in which a different decision has been made. So it doesn't really matter whether you do or don't do something, because you, or another version of you, will or won't do that thing anyway.
The ending was mind blowing for me where we understood that Booker is actually Comstock. This game has a special place in my heart.
I really wish we had gotten the game that they showed off at e3 before the one that we got. The graphics and set pieces looked so much better.
Infantry Gaming same here. I feel in love with that e3 gameplay. They made it where elizabeth cant just use tears when ever you want. It was a great game mechanic.
One of my fav games of alllllll times
It wasn't just the shield that killed Booker in his previous 122 times. The game states that Songbird killed him "every time". Further more, the coin flip only happened 123 times during the specific time you as the player flip it at that point in the game, but there are also infinite realities in which the coin flip itself was not included in that universe.
Regardless, great video!
Based Treesicle. Your videos never cease to blow my mind.
Hell Yeah! I was really hoping you guys would do one on Booker soon! great content as per usual, I look forward to the next video! :)
NeoTriicck Always awesome to hear! It's also equally awesome to see recurring commentors :)
You got a sub from me, the comedic nature of this video just makes the knowledge even tastier.
This video taught me more about me than I knew about me, thanks guys