The reason lightning mcqueen didnt upgrade himself or his engine, is because the type of racing lightning partakes in is stock car racing, meaning if he upgraded his engine or added performance parts he's no longer stock and therefore could not participate in the races.
@@_SaikatBanerjee_ bro that racing category have rules, the car has to be stock is first rule of that racing that's why no car in cars movie upgraded. It's not just that creators of movie were lazy..
@@_SaikatBanerjee_ the creators werent lazy, in fact they had cruiz in there for a reason. to allow cruiz to take over as the next racer. Lighting mcqueen was getting older and even if he did replace his engine he could only top 290 any futher he probably wouldnt be allowed to race.
@@_SaikatBanerjee_ Lmao that’s not even close to true and you know it. You’re just upset that it wasn’t the same old story of Lightning winning yet _another_ race. He was getting old. His engine couldn’t keep up with the newer cars. It happens.
TBH, the only way for Jackson Storm to be humbled is for him to have a similar experience to Lightning's from the 1st movie. Maybe have his career take a downturn after a false accusation-based scandal, that way, while Lightning, Sally and Mater look into the matter on the pleas of Cruz, she invites Jackson to stay at Radiator Springs for a while till the backlash dies down. There, he loses the attitude, starts making friends and embracing some old ways, maybe even gets himself a repaint. Rather than the town just teaching him, however, Storm also shows his best side by helping the town modernize a bit.
I think there's only two ways for Jackson Storm to go: either he'll end up like Lightning and be humbled or he'll end up like Chick Hicks and be bitter the rest of his life.
I always thought about it like basketball, The newer generation grows up watching the older generation and are implementing pro skills at a young age and becoming more comfortable and advancing those skills for years as a kid.
We see that Storm and the Next Gens took over the racing league. Storm's winning streak is so huge and he became the first rookie to win the Piston Cup in his first season and became rookie of that year. Later on, he attempted to make record breaking top speeds and his top speed is 214 mph which would make him unbeatable. Even though Lightning is older, he may not be as fast as Storm, but he can be smarter than Storm, just like what Smokey said.
@@richconsparartbro4971, also Francesco is lighter and is designed for straightaways and technical turns when the road is made of tarmac, but not for off-road.
A fun theory i've seen is that mcqueen had slowly gotten slower over the years, as i believe it was stated in cars 2 mcqueen had gone over 216. The same theory says that after mcqueen crashed, he had gained his speed back once he was repaired. He only switched out with cruz to give her a chance to win.
One of the things I have a hard time keeping in mind is that at this point it's implied that lighting is as old as the king was in cars 1. also Storm reminds we of how arrogant lighting was before radiator springs. the only difference is that storm knows the value of teamwork and is alot more passive aggressive
how old is lightning, anyways?? google says he’s in his early forties in the 3rd movie, but cars 3 takes place like 11 years after the first one, and he was in his early twenties in the first one, so he should be in like his mid thirties
@@CheeslingHe's getting old and slower and maybe becomes slower even in his 30s or 40s, Google also said that IF McQueen is at his prime age, He would defeated Jackson storm. Also the fact that Francesco Bernoulli is faster than him with the top speed of 220 MPH while Mcqueen in his prime has (MAYBE) 225 MPH.
I honestly think it sucks they made Storm a stereotypical douche. I think he would have been a more interesting character if he were a nice guy, who is just part of this next generation of racers taking over. Make time the real enemy of Lightning's story.
I like this idea more than what we got. If you want a final opposite and opposing force to McQueen, then it would mostly be a humble racer instead of another snarky dude with an ego. That’s exactly how McQueen at the beginning of the movie was, and we already saw this exact type of antagonist in cars 1 and cars 2 with that F1 racer guy.
These movies are the kind things where you really not wish going depth, because prize for returning will come with more questions than answers. Anyone else feels this way, just blow hot air myself?
@@IsaacCarlson. There are many cases where both have been achieved. I'm just saying that sometimes, it's better to leave things to the audiences imaginations!
As an engineer I can tell you this: the biggest problem with upgrading old cars is compromise with their identity. For example lets take the Golf GTI, it was one of the first compact sportscars ever manufactured. To keep up with modern day compact cars u could swap Engines and stuff... but the space is limited. You could just grow the frame by changing the chassis and body, but by doing that it will loose its identity, that can't be called a Golf anymore. This happened to many cars that came from tuning lines and not from the Manufacturers themselves. Shelby made some models where they remade the body and the car had a new Identity. Mercedes AMG borders that philosophy as well.
Ive wanted a custom 1967 CHEVROLET IMPALA for so many years but I wanted the interior to be modernized automatic and you just helped me understand that its as possible as it is complex….I guess Ill just let it go lol
@@ElusivEnigma swaping to Automatic is not as hard as an engine swap, but you will need money for it. If you want to do that by yourself, you need knowledge about how the car is built and the compatibility of certain gear boxes. Also since it is Automatic, you might need knowledge about the electrics as well, depending on which gearbox and transmission you use. But it is easier to learn how to drive manual. And believe me when I tell you that it is really easy. I learned it in literally 15 minutes.
I believe that cars like humans have their prime time. Lightning had that time for quite a bit. Besides he did what was best in the third movie. Giving Cruz the chance to become a racer!
I mean that's pretty much it I guess. Lightning's prime time just passed and during his selfish journey throughout the third movie trying to keep his spot in the racing world and surpass Storm he realises that and decides it was time to retire from racing and bet on the next generation and become a mentor for Cruz just like Doc was his mentor as well.
@@rodrigosezequiel to bad that he couldn't upgrade he'd would have easily won his races once he to used to his new specs in terms of car racing age isnt much of a factors just depends how good you perform
I disagree... Yes Lightning did have his prime time but no, he didn't have it for "quite a bit" Case in point - Strip Weathers, competing with several generations of cars... Competitively.
My running theory for as to why he didn’t upgrade is because obviously the racing he’s in is their version of NASCAR which carries a list of regulations for the cars. Because he’s not a next-gen model car, he has to follow the regulations of his veteran class. Therefore he cannot simply be upgraded because it’s against the rules. My other theory being plot.
@CJ-xx5msif you assume that cars in this universe are naturally what they are, then not really, he would just be a newer Cup car that has more natural ability. Racecars are like athletes in this universe so upgrading yourself would be seen as cheating like if an athlete took steroids. While McQueen himself doesn’t get slower, the class he races in naturally becomes faster as younger racers come with more natural ability.
I think that just like humans cars have their prime and by cars 3 lightning was a legend much like the King was on the First film. The logic conclusion for his story was shown: become a mentor for a Future legend.
Obviously, but that also raises the question of if that were the case, why wasn't Lightning portrayed like he was? King was obviously a lot older, like Lightning was, but he was implied to still be consistently defeating the younger racers and being right there with em. McQueen should've been like that in the film.
I love how he says that McQueen is prob just too old to drive competitively anymore. But decides to go deeper and find the real reason, just for him to say he’s too old
Fun Fact: Some of the Racers from Cars 1 appear again in Cars 3 as veterans with different models, while still being the same racer. An example is Spare Mint Racer Ernie Gearson, who appears in Cars 1 as a 70s-80s body model racer, but appears again in Cars 3 with a more rounded body that is completely different to his old one. How this fits into the theory I don’t know. I think how it works is that Stock Cars can upgrade to other Stock Cars models, but can not upgrade to next gens due to vast mechanical distances. Why the lemons can’t upgrade while these racers could, inconsistent writing ig 🤷.
Storm had so much potential to be a great friend for mcqueen, they'd be a great duo together! And mcqueen could've taught Storm to be more humble cuz he was like the same in the 1st movie!
@@IsaacCarlson Hey Isaac just wanted to touch on the fact that some of the veteran racers from cars 3 were actually the same people in the original (eg Murray Clutchburn) Cars so therefore they were able to change not only their shape and transform into newer gen models
This is something i wonder ever time i watch cars 3. Wasn't it also becuase lighting started to overthink racing when it came to new gen racers appearing on the scene especially when Jackson Storm arrived? Its like smoky said, its funny what a racer can do when he isn't overthinking things, and lighting even nearly beat cruz during training with smokys techniques.
I believe Lightning broke from the new racers. You think Doc, who literally said "I still had so much left in me...I never got the chance to show 'em", would've agreed to McQueen quitting, just like that? OF COURSE NOT. I believe the lesson should've been "Age doesn't equal ability." Yes, age exists, but that doesn't mean you should quit. Many people became famous by showing their skill by continuing their profession past the age most retire.
McQueen only needed 10 percent less drag coefficient, 16 MPH more, less drag and more aerodynamics and needs to have the optimal race line and exploit the numbers to beat Storm.
@@_SaikatBanerjee_ 1- at that point he wouldnt be the same car anymore 2- that sounds painful considering that the Cars are alive, so that would be some very expensive surgery 3- i think that's not allowed, cuz if it was they would keep upgrading the previous racers And life is not all bright colors, McQueen was gonna get washed at one point, he's not in his prime anymore
If you’re a car guy, it’s really no mystery why Lightning couldn’t beat storm. Less horsepower, aerodynamics, newer cars almost always beat older cars, etc
The thing that really bothers me is that Strip Weathers and Chick Hicks, both older models compared to McQueen, were still able to keep up and Strip himself was also a very smart racer. He knew how to beat the younger models with timely pit stops and optimal driving. I don't see any reason why Lightning couldn't have done that, too. Maybe the difference between him and the new gen was too great but honestly, even if he couldn't be upgraded fully to a brand new model, he was still fast enough to keep up with some of the new gens. And with how they built up his arc for one final climactic race against Storm, it made the ending ridiculously disappointing. Rather than go out on a high, he literally just gave up. In the first film, Strip Weathers was still shown to be capable of winning, even if Lightning could have beat him in the end. In the third film, Lightning is shown to be outright obsolete. It's not so much the fact that Lightning needs to step down that bothers me. It's how they handled it. Cruz looks like the same model as Lightning. How could she possibly keep up with the new gen, not to mention beat a champion in her very first race? The nail in the coffin was her getting Doc's number instead of Lightning making her 95 while he became 51. Just all around a very disappointing movie.
I agree with you. I don't think there was a lot of decisions that were made that allowed the story to feel completely satisfying. I just wish we could have seen Lightning win one Piston Cup.
Something unique about Storm's Generation (Generation 6) is that it was unlike any other change between generations in Piston Cup history. With all the others, the older racers were slowly replaced over the course of several years, whereas with Gen 6, it all happened in 2 seasons. With Gen 1 (Doc's Generation), it started in 1949, and most racers from then were racing until the 60s, but then Gen 2 came in in the early 60s and by the 70s, there's only 1 or 2 Gen 1 cars left. Then, when Gen 3 entered in the early to mid 70s, Gen 2 started getting slower, and the only one able to keep up and still be a champion was Strip Weathers. Then Gen 4 entered in the 90s, but they didn't start winning Piston Cups until 2000. Then Lightning McQueen was the first racer for Gen 5, entering in 2005, and from then, Gen 5 cars were appearing every year, like Cal Weathers, Brick Yardley, and Bobby Swift. 2015 was the only year to have all Gen 5 cars as Jackson Storm entered in 2016, and interest in Next-Gen racers rose. They were designed to be the perfect racers, and that's why they were entering every race. As Natalie Certain said, "Every week, we've seen veteran racers either retire, like Cal Weathers tonight, or fired to make room for these younger, faster racers."
All of this can be just explained with their names. In the first film, he made a joke to Thunder and saying that it always comes after "lightning" ca-chow.. but Storm is the forefront of the storm, storm will bring the lightning.
I think it’s important to acknowledge the parallels to actual racing, not only NASCAR but things like F1 and Indy also. Generations of racers come and go, quick on their day, but when the new blood comes in and their age starts to show, eventually they have to hang it up because the sport outgrows them regardless of their legendary status. Motorsports always evolve also. NASCAR today sure isn’t the same as it was two decades ago nor F1 was the same then as it is now. New technology and ideas also play a role. When Michael Schumacher came into F1, he brought with him a training regimen that wasn’t very practiced by the elder racers of his time. In the 50s, anyone could race. But by the 90s and now the 2000s, you have to be in peak shape to endure the conditions and forces that comes with racing. Age plays a role too but drivers like Fernando Alonso show that fitness and the will to keep going is key even when you keep racing past your “prime” (42 years old in a sport averaged by 20-30 year old racers).
Yeah I was about to say, optimization killed the fun people had watching NASCAR. Two Examples; Michigan Speedway in 2005 (just before Cars) could use 4 racing lines to win the race and it was drivers choice. Today, only the high and low side are used. Daytona and Talladega are the next one. You used to see 3 and 4 wide racing at almost any point in the race for almost the entire thing. Now it’s almost entirely single file racing for almost the entire thing, and at most it’s side by side racing. The “big one” (the big wreck that occurs in the race) almost never happens. Not to mention the playoff rules are stupid. And because optimization has caused less yellow flags, NASCAR had to implant a rule to have “in race yellow flag” stoppages. It’s actually really sad. Optimization makes sports in racing very boring. F1 is an exception because they are racing on road courses on open wheels, but without quality competition and balanced playing field, Mercedes and Redbull have dominated the past Decade and a Half.
So they are sort of like hyper advanced arthropods. Like it's a different level of hermit crab. Like they can grow bigger. But at some point it's just not practical or necessary and obviously it is incredibly difficult to grow smaller.
It seems like the "Assembly Line" might be the equivalent of a "Birthing Unit" at a hospital. So think of it as like "Car Healthcare". This also lends itself to both the idea of mechanical repair and the limitation of parts. There's a reason there are waiting lists for organ replacements, it's because there are a limited number of organs that are donated per year. Likewise, there may be limited numbers of parts that can be used for repair.
Theory idea when shrek goes into the alternate timeline in shrek forever after what happened to fairy godmother. Does she just go about business as normal? Does rumple make her disappear in a different way than in shrek Two, or does she disappear because there's a lack of hope, faith, and nonbelief?
There's an old classically animated cartoon (I think it was produced in the 60's or 70's - and I saw it on Cartoon Network back the late 90's) that is aesthetically the same style as cars (windshield are eyes, etc.). Quick synopsis: It was about a family of cars with the Dad encouraging his son to follow in his footsteps (or would that be tire tracks) and become a livery cab/taxi. The kid has other aspirations (he wants to become a race-car and compete in the local derby) and get's tricked out as a hot rod - new body, new engine - the whole nine. He's punished for it and despondent tries to run away from home. The dad tries to chase him but the son is too fast. The dad struggling to keep up overheats and ends up stuck at an intersection with an oncoming train. The kid circles back and helps his dad off the tracks but gets hit instead. Thankfully the kid recovers and he and his family reconcile - he adopts his family profession and reverts his body back to that of a taxi...but he keeps the supped up engine. When Pixar's Cars was released the style was instantly recognizable. So assuming it follows the lore established by that cartoon, then reproduction is possible...just don't ask me the mechanics of it.
Technically in Cars 2,Lighting McQueen was a *next gen* racer,with a more simplified and quicker Engine,Also instead of the spoiler that the older generation of nascars have,lighting has a flat and modified spoiler in cars 2,so he could of been a next gen racer,it’s just for some reason,they changed him back to his original design
Cars 2 was McQueen’s racing prime, the fastest he’s ever been. No amount of upgrading would’ve changed McQueen being old in Cars 3. The way I see it, the racers have their rookie phase, their prime phase which is when they’re at their fastest and their veteran phase where they’re old and past it. McQueen was at the veteran stage in Cars 3
I honestly think this works, even though the Cars movies were never intended to have any logic behind them lol. Cars must stay in their adult frame, but they can modify that frame to fit certain jobs, it just cannot change shape much, or have newer/incompatible technology added. Like you said, Mator has had every different look and car parts added, in the book, but his main body shape never changed(Even when he got the shapeshifting thing in Cars 2 but that was just holograms). Closest we got was the American Spy, being able to change himself from the blue sports car(I don’t know cars, so he may not have been one) into looking like a lemon car, but its clear he had a shell climb over his body to change how it looked on the outside(as his transformations was different to Finns and Mators). Another is Dusty Crophopper had his whole body overhauled, twice, but his frame stayed the same. He had his wings traded out for better ones, he got landing gear that could be raised and lowered, his propellor changed, he had his wings swapped again, he had a water/retardant tank added on, he had pontoons added, which shifted his landing gear. But his main body shape never changed. Even Harvey and Winnie(the two RVs from Planes Fire and Rescue) talk about different jobs they had when they were younger. Harvey was a taco truck before he was an RV, and Winnie mentions being half a ton lighter when she and Harvey met.
That is such a good point about Dusty! No matter what changes occurred to Dusty, he remained in main shape which shows that everything that keeps him alive is all within that main shape.
The important thing to learn from this video is that whether you're a vehicle or a human time will be your enemy, and it'll make you old and obsolete when life goes on.
McQueen in Cars 2 was able to beat Francesco Bourneli, and Francesco was 220 mph. So, McQueen could've kept the same body he had in 2012. Jackson Storm was 214 mph, so McQueen would not have needed Cruz's help, and McQueen would have won another Piston Cup, and the entire storyline would have changed.
You missed the fact that some of the veteran racers from cars 3 were actually the same people in the original (eg Murray Clutchburn) Cars so therefore they were able to change not only their shape and transform into newer gen models
Lightning was literally upgraded in Cars 2, maybe not heavily, but he did get headlights, a different spoiler, different wheels etc. it’s just that he wasn’t allowed to upgrade in stock racing because the rules state that he needs to be stock.
stock car racing hasnt been about stock cars for a long time. especially generation (4) that mcqueen is based on (from wikipedia): "The generation has been described as the generation that removed all "stock" aspects from stock car racing"
0:48 All of this isn’t needed the only reason He couldn’t beat Jackson Storm was because of plot In cars 2 the movie before cars 3 Lighting MacQueen was going top speed 225-230 they nerfed him by 35 mphs.
@@dutiestcorgi8951It’s a 6yr difference and McQueen isn’t even 35. He’s 22-34 and men physically peak between 20-35 yrs of age. But let’s say he did begin to lose speed he would have lost that much speed in that short amount of time especially since he was still training he would’ve lost 5-7 mphs or probably even less but that would still put him above Jackson storm.
@@dutiestcorgi8951 wdym only 20 kilometers per hour difference it’s a 51kph difference and it isn’t reasonable especially since he was still considered in his prime and we know that he didn’t stop training he should’ve only lost 2-7 mphs not 35mphs. Putting him 20mphs above Jackson storm lighting McQueen lost to Jackson because of plot you can’t justify losing that much speed
The fact that The King, Strip Weathers could still keep up with racers 1-2 generations ahead of him but Lightning somehow couldn’t just makes no sense. I get the wanted to centralize the theme of passing the torch to the next generation but Strip Weathers existence itself makes that theme hold no weight. And let’s not get started with Cars 2 lightning McQueen. I wish they kept Smokey’s philosophy intact for Lightning character arc in the film where instead of relying merely on his talent and skill he outsmarts his opponents on the track. Veteran athletes in sports do this as well all the time once they are at the end of their prime. Using experience and knowledge to beat younger more athletic opponents
@@deshawnedwards6412 I knew that, but what I figured was that by Wish's time, Chernabog hadn't been on the surface of the Earth like he was in Night On Bald Mountain for centuries
Damn I'm 24 soon and whenever I go to a party or in a club I feel exactly like Mcqueen in this movie. He were a legend back than but suddenly realized he's not in the age for that stuff anymore.
i think one of the reasons McQueen couldnt defeat storm was his mind, remember thunder hollow, mcqueen didnt even got a scratch cause he wasnt overthinking, his mind was taking him down, with all that "McQueen is fading" or when in his final practice race, he was so confident about passing cruz he didn't even think she could pass him, that's why he lost that final practice, cause of his mind
What stumps me is lightning beat a f1 car Francesco Bernoulli who was faster than storm at a top speed of 220mph or 354km/h Jackson storms top speed is 214mph or 345 km/h I get the concept is of aging however it doesn’t make sense that lightning with his top speed being 200mph or 322km/h was able to beat Francesco Bernoulli but not Jackson Storm
There could also be Restrictions placed on Race Cars and Planes that would prevent them to upgrade their bodies too much, like atheletes using steroids. It could be a way to make sure that the new generation will actually get a chance to compete instead of a bunch of Old cars with upgrades just winning everything
cars 4 (if it ever happens) should be about years later and storm being humbled seing himself getting old, and then finally understanding how McQueen felt and finally letting his ego go and feeling sorry is that too much for a kids movie? absoloutely but is it what would be the best story-wise? absoloutely
I watched Cars 3 in the summer of 2017 (I think) and I feel like Lightning couldn't beat Storm because Storm was new car coming from a training "car training camp" for rookies to train with the top car trainers and Lightning couldn't keep up because of the training that Storm had at the "car training camp."
Bro went around the world to explain that cars grow up when in cars 3 Cruz herself said "I grew up watching you on TV" and Cruz's Mom had once told her "Be small cruz..."
Well it's just like real life motorsport - pilots of each generation become more and more precise, mastering and improving on techniques that the generation before them discovered. Storm took McQueen philosophy of "i am speed" and improved upon it with the latest that was on the market for his generation. Irl we had that same thing happening even in F1. There was a time when the older drivers refused to train in a simulator, because they didn't believe it was of any use. Nowdays we know they all spend A TON of time there and in sim-racing to keep their skills sharp. But back to the movie - i think they got too hung on the plot of Lightning becoming the master than the racer himself. I am sure if he spent time in the simulator and perfected his driving, he would've been a good competition to Storm. We see this in the technology center where the new recruitments were training. They were on the treadmills doing 186mph, while we saw multiple times Lightning had no trouble going 194mph. He has the speed to rival the new generation, he simply lacked the technique and focus needed to use it on the track. His driving was enough for the old generation where he was told he had talent is spades, but with the new generation, raw talent would only get him this far. Yes, the technology plaid some role into that, but even if Lightning had upgraded himself with a more powerful engine and some aero, he lacked the experience of racing with that kind of gear. There is always a learning curve and he simply was behind the new generation.
The difference was Lightening was trying to go as fast as he can on the simulators. Jackson Storm was simply working out, practicing technique, and gaining knowledge of the strategy to use. Like how athletes would approach working out. Doing reps makes you faster* and stronger over time. Even with how the simulator was used, Jackson was using it more effectively.
@@m.c.martin That's what i'm saying. The real problem wasn't the lack of speed or power, it was the lack of razor-sharp technique on Lightning's behalf. His raw speed is what won him the races thus far. But this was as far as raw speed was going to take him. If he applied everything he taught Ramirez on the track himself, like following the slipstream, not overthinking and so on, he could've won easily.
One thing that rubbed me the wrong way was that both the King and Doc were said to constantly defeat rookies in races. We even see this in the first one, where Lightning and Chick Hick, despite both being obviously younger and faster, they were rarely able to pass and couldn't get the King out of their way. Smokey says that Doc Hudson humiliated new generations of cars through his experience. Why wasn't McQueen treated that way in Cars 3? Why is such a great racer who is implied to have broken the King and Doc's records, not like them? Why wasn't his experience enough to keep him ahead like King and Doc? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Notice how Mqueen could change his spoiler is cars 2 but has it the same during his nascar racing? That could simply be because of the rules behind the nascar racing
Well what about Francesco? He is still 221MPH as far as I remember in Cars 2, and if Cars 4 is really confirmed by Pixar then they better do right this time. I want to see Cruz and Jackson Storm come back but who knows XD Edit: I do believe in your theory. Technology has been changing for decades and it could only be chosen and maybe Lightning didn't want to change into a new body or "metal" per say. Who knows but I really liked this video. Thanks Issac! :D
I have a theory that Francesco faced a similar case Since he's based on a 2009-2013 F1 car. He remained super competitive even when the new gen cars arrived (aka the turbo hybrid 2014-2016) until another gen appeared (2017-2021) But still racing in other classes
Cars logic: We can’t make you better than you already are, what’s that? You crashed? Sorry, no upgrades. Planes Logic: you’re made for crop dusting, sure you can beat a racing plane. What’s that you crashed? Here’s a bunch of new upgrades!
Hey Issac can you at any point discuss the Disney Multiverse? Because with the upcoming Disney Jr Ariel series I think it’s something in the Disney fandom that needs to be addressed and explored similar to your explanation on Cinderella 2 & 3.
3:25 Considering that these cars have actual, not even kidding, organs, can eat and that manufacturing is treated as the miracle of creation or something along those lines in this universe… yeah, I believe they funk wholeheartedly
I still don’t know what made my brain search up McQueen crashes and finding out cars 3 exist. Legit struggling to find out what was the origin thought that got me to this video.
This is probably the only movie that i still haven't changed my opinion on since my childhood. I don't really care about Cruz, she just appeared out of nowhere and took over Storm's position instantly, there was practically no actual buildup, so everything just seemed forced, there was no actual reason behind it. I would have liked if it was someone who already had a good past in the racing career, someone that was already building up a name not some random fan that was a instrunctor for machinery, not even an actual racer
I think Lighting couldn't beat Storm was because of his psychological issues more than physical issues. When Storm beat him for the first time, his cofidence was affected. Storm's ironies, friends' retirements, and media framing just made it worst. He tried too hard to improve that he can still win just made him had that terrible accident, at the moment, the cofidence he used to have was died out.
Fun fact : jackson didn't reach his prime in the cars 3 Well dude u gotta accept that prime jackson would beat prime McQueen McQueens top speed in the first movies was 185 mph And in second it was 230 mph And in third it was 200 something And jacksons top speed in the third (rookie season) was 218 so if prime jackson would be around 270 😞
Video: why couldn’t lightning beat storm? Well not because he was too old, it was because his model was outdated and upgrades today weren’t compatible (I.e. he was too old) also throw in a couple useless cars and plane’s references. There I explained the video now you can save 12 minutes of your life.
There’s gonna be that moment in life where you just aren’t the best anymore and gotta know when it’s time to let the new group come along. Like McQueen’s still good, but the new cars are running the game now.
In "Cars 3," Lightning McQueen couldn't beat Jackson Storm initially because Storm represented the next generation of racing, equipped with cutting-edge technology and a sleek design that gave him a significant speed advantage. McQueen, while talented and experienced, was struggling to keep up with Storm's speed and agility. Additionally, McQueen was facing doubts and insecurities about his own abilities as he aged and saw newer, faster cars like Storm dominating the racing scene. It wasn't until McQueen embraced new training methods, learned from other racers, and tapped into his own strengths and experience that he was able to compete with Storm on equal footing. So, it wasn't just about raw speed but also about adapting to change, overcoming self-doubt, and finding new ways to compete effectively in a rapidly evolving racing world.
If they repaired the frame parts or strengthened the rigity of Lightning McQueen's old body, he would've performed tons better, with thicker tubing to keep the car stable at high speeds (thats the platform those series or typically Menards series racecars were built on, tube frame) he might have some understeer, but he would've won many races including against Jackson Storm, because even though cars got more efficient at getting up to speed their horsepower got lessened, but I think its due to the fact that lightning's fans would've cheered him on, as they did with the first movie. And sometimes all someone needs to win in life is someone to support them and make them feel wanted, theyre cars but theyre still living beings with real emotions as seen most with 1 and 3
If u didn’t here in cars 3 he can have a upgrade for every thing including his body but it stays the same with better angles for extension for the body but he said he’ll do it like he always have he’s old form but he does realise he could upgrade but he doesn’t wanna because he wants to prove everyone that he can do it with no fancy technology hence why lighting McQueen was asking Cruz to do things outside he wants to prove the people they don’t need technology to win on the one hand it’s been proven that lighting mc queen shattered storms record in cars 4 storm can reach 220 McQueen can reach 310 and Cruz can reach 260 but sadly it’s been cancelled so idk what their planing to do next what do u think about this reply for your thoughts
Tbh the worlds of Cars is confusing. Like: how are cars born? how do cars die? is there kids cars? Why do cars need to eat? can they drink anything else? can a car age? whats insides a car like? and whats their organs? AHHHH!!! SO MANY QUESTIONS!!! 🫨
I believe the manafacturer is just A.i left by the humans. And this Ai just keeps creating cars. And over time they started creating sentient cars that became more human
The point was to show that when McQueen was a rookie he was the champion but when Jackson came he became the champion and goes to show when you’re doing something for a while the rookies will take it
McQueen probably could upgrade and add performance parts to his chassis but you could say that in the case of racecars, which are like athletes, that upgrading yourself is a form of using steroids which is prohibited in a competitive environment.
Personally I just think of it like robots where basically instead of the atom it was a nut and that nut became a robot and that robot made other robots and so on and so on
Actually cars 2 lightning McQueen is actually faster than storm when McQueen was in his prime speed he was able to beat Francesco with top speed of 220 kph with storm being only 214 kph
Upgrades aren’t even an unprecedented idea because of the movie Planes. It would have been very interesting to see what an “upgraded” lightning looked like
It's always good to see one of your videos they're incredible and fantastic, Isaac you're the greatest ❤️😊 keep going this way 😍🤩 your explanations are very accurate 💯
I don't see why McQueen couldn't get an engine or aerodynamic or any upgrade that could make him faster, for example, in real life racing teams every year find areas that are in need of an upgrade because new technology and studies have been released that lead to improvements in races. So those racing teams could improve their already hired racers because that is the point of the sport whether the participants be "stock" or not
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The creator of cars: bro i just wanted to entertain kids not make logic💀
I can't wait for pixar to go so creatively bankrupt, they start making sequels to these!
Cars 3 is fire and you dont understand logic of making movies
Those Meter Fantasies aren't canon
@@stefannikovic3408 still don't get it the creator just wanted to entertain kids and other people right? To spread the kids imagination
@@karlong8100 Get out.
The reason lightning mcqueen didnt upgrade himself or his engine, is because the type of racing lightning partakes in is stock car racing, meaning if he upgraded his engine or added performance parts he's no longer stock and therefore could not participate in the races.
Nah he could have done a whole makeover but makers were to lazy to design him again
@@_SaikatBanerjee_ bro that racing category have rules, the car has to be stock is first rule of that racing that's why no car in cars movie upgraded. It's not just that creators of movie were lazy..
@@_SaikatBanerjee_ the creators werent lazy, in fact they had cruiz in there for a reason. to allow cruiz to take over as the next racer. Lighting mcqueen was getting older and even if he did replace his engine he could only top 290 any futher he probably wouldnt be allowed to race.
@@_SaikatBanerjee_ Lmao that’s not even close to true and you know it. You’re just upset that it wasn’t the same old story of Lightning winning yet _another_ race. He was getting old. His engine couldn’t keep up with the newer cars. It happens.
@@atharvtambekar1552Exactly. That guy just wanted a copy paste story of Lighting winning _again_
TBH, the only way for Jackson Storm to be humbled is for him to have a similar experience to Lightning's from the 1st movie. Maybe have his career take a downturn after a false accusation-based scandal, that way, while Lightning, Sally and Mater look into the matter on the pleas of Cruz, she invites Jackson to stay at Radiator Springs for a while till the backlash dies down. There, he loses the attitude, starts making friends and embracing some old ways, maybe even gets himself a repaint. Rather than the town just teaching him, however, Storm also shows his best side by helping the town modernize a bit.
I think there's only two ways for Jackson Storm to go: either he'll end up like Lightning and be humbled or he'll end up like Chick Hicks and be bitter the rest of his life.
@@IsaacCarlsonhonestly, I hope it's the former, cause nobody wants another Chick hicks, am I right?
Yeah I think it's better if Jackson does not end up like chick
Isn’t Jackson Storm supposed to be what McQueen would’ve been if he never went to radiator springs/met doc?
@@IsaacCarlson😂😂😂
I always thought about it like basketball, The newer generation grows up watching the older generation and are implementing pro skills at a young age and becoming more comfortable and advancing those skills for years as a kid.
agreed like in the 1979-80 season the highest 3ps by a single player in a season was 90 but in the 2022-23 season 309 3ps were made.
@@sakaguchiseiichi1530it was 301 set by Klay Thompson
god damn that’s actually a pretty good comparison
We see that Storm and the Next Gens took over the racing league. Storm's winning streak is so huge and he became the first rookie to win the Piston Cup in his first season and became rookie of that year. Later on, he attempted to make record breaking top speeds and his top speed is 214 mph which would make him unbeatable. Even though Lightning is older, he may not be as fast as Storm, but he can be smarter than Storm, just like what Smokey said.
Francesco is faster than him.
@@richconsparartbro4971yeah but he had an advantage with the dirt road
Yup
@@richconsparartbro4971, also Francesco is lighter and is designed for straightaways and technical turns when the road is made of tarmac, but not for off-road.
A fun theory i've seen is that mcqueen had slowly gotten slower over the years, as i believe it was stated in cars 2 mcqueen had gone over 216. The same theory says that after mcqueen crashed, he had gained his speed back once he was repaired. He only switched out with cruz to give her a chance to win.
Im honestly just very glad you included the Planes movies, Istg its like everyone forgot that ever existed
I think the Planes movies are actually pretty awesome. I think they absolutely deserve to be included in these kind of discussions!
@@IsaacCarlson i wish Metro hadnt been canceled and the series continued further.
give us Trains, Ships, and then Tanks.
I loved the planes movies but sadly others did not
I liked the dogfighting plane as the mentor for dusty
@@F14thunderhawkTanks would be absolutely awesome. Imagine the gore of Hacksaw Ridge but Pixar style
i enjoyed planes
One of the things I have a hard time keeping in mind is that at this point it's implied that lighting is as old as the king was in cars 1. also Storm reminds we of how arrogant lighting was before radiator springs. the only difference is that storm knows the value of teamwork and is alot more passive aggressive
except King was from 69 where as Mcqueen was from 05 (Mcqueen is essentially half Corvette half Camaro). 12 years against 36
how old is lightning, anyways?? google says he’s in his early forties in the 3rd movie, but cars 3 takes place like 11 years after the first one, and he was in his early twenties in the first one, so he should be in like his mid thirties
@@CheeslingHe's getting old and slower and maybe becomes slower even in his 30s or 40s, Google also said that IF McQueen is at his prime age, He would defeated Jackson storm. Also the fact that Francesco Bernoulli is faster than him with the top speed of 220 MPH while Mcqueen in his prime has (MAYBE) 225 MPH.
I honestly think it sucks they made Storm a stereotypical douche. I think he would have been a more interesting character if he were a nice guy, who is just part of this next generation of racers taking over. Make time the real enemy of Lightning's story.
That actually sounds like a good idea but they had to reinforce Cruz’s backstory somehow.
They had a good chance to do it in the Storm Chasing book but still made him a douche
I would've enjoyed it if he was a huge fan of Lightning who was just...the one to put him to rest. So to speak.
I like this idea more than what we got. If you want a final opposite and opposing force to McQueen, then it would mostly be a humble racer instead of another snarky dude with an ego. That’s exactly how McQueen at the beginning of the movie was, and we already saw this exact type of antagonist in cars 1 and cars 2 with that F1 racer guy.
He already was, he just got that racing attitude!
These movies are the kind things where you really not wish going depth, because prize for returning will come with more questions than answers. Anyone else feels this way, just blow hot air myself?
Yeah I don't think I necessarily want a full explanation. I think it's more fun to just talk about and for the filmmakers to laser in on the story.
@@IsaacCarlson. Sometimes both can be done. But since all this identity politics nonesense infiltrated Hollywood, it can't be seporated.
@@IsaacCarlson. There are many cases where both have been achieved. I'm just saying that sometimes, it's better to leave things to the audiences imaginations!
As an engineer I can tell you this: the biggest problem with upgrading old cars is compromise with their identity. For example lets take the Golf GTI, it was one of the first compact sportscars ever manufactured. To keep up with modern day compact cars u could swap Engines and stuff... but the space is limited. You could just grow the frame by changing the chassis and body, but by doing that it will loose its identity, that can't be called a Golf anymore. This happened to many cars that came from tuning lines and not from the Manufacturers themselves. Shelby made some models where they remade the body and the car had a new Identity. Mercedes AMG borders that philosophy as well.
You swap in an Audi/VW 20V racing engine for 500hp. This assumes a racing budget.
Ive wanted a custom 1967 CHEVROLET IMPALA for so many years but I wanted the interior to be modernized automatic and you just helped me understand that its as possible as it is complex….I guess Ill just let it go lol
@@ElusivEnigma you could do it yourself for 20k+base car in good shape. It would prob be 40-60k to have it done in a shop(very few I'd trust).
The ship of theseus theory pretty much
@@ElusivEnigma swaping to Automatic is not as hard as an engine swap, but you will need money for it. If you want to do that by yourself, you need knowledge about how the car is built and the compatibility of certain gear boxes. Also since it is Automatic, you might need knowledge about the electrics as well, depending on which gearbox and transmission you use. But it is easier to learn how to drive manual. And believe me when I tell you that it is really easy. I learned it in literally 15 minutes.
I believe that cars like humans have their prime time. Lightning had that time for quite a bit. Besides he did what was best in the third movie. Giving Cruz the chance to become a racer!
You know it's a good choice when a veteran practically gives his spot to a rookie. Cruz could not have had a better integration into the racing world.
I mean that's pretty much it I guess. Lightning's prime time just passed and during his selfish journey throughout the third movie trying to keep his spot in the racing world and surpass Storm he realises that and decides it was time to retire from racing and bet on the next generation and become a mentor for Cruz just like Doc was his mentor as well.
Let's be real tho, nobody cared abt cruz lol, weoon even kno lil bro
@@rodrigosezequiel to bad that he couldn't upgrade he'd would have easily won his races once he to used to his new specs in terms of car racing age isnt much of a factors just depends how good you perform
I disagree... Yes Lightning did have his prime time but no, he didn't have it for "quite a bit"
Case in point - Strip Weathers, competing with several generations of cars... Competitively.
My running theory for as to why he didn’t upgrade is because obviously the racing he’s in is their version of NASCAR which carries a list of regulations for the cars. Because he’s not a next-gen model car, he has to follow the regulations of his veteran class. Therefore he cannot simply be upgraded because it’s against the rules. My other theory being plot.
true everyone thinks its simple to get upgrade just like that is illegal in nascar too
@CJ-xx5msif you assume that cars in this universe are naturally what they are, then not really, he would just be a newer Cup car that has more natural ability. Racecars are like athletes in this universe so upgrading yourself would be seen as cheating like if an athlete took steroids. While McQueen himself doesn’t get slower, the class he races in naturally becomes faster as younger racers come with more natural ability.
@@jorhop4005 but prime McQueen was faster than storm which means every car has a prime
I dont think the creators of cars expected anyone to analyze it this deeply
I think that just like humans cars have their prime and by cars 3 lightning was a legend much like the King was on the First film. The logic conclusion for his story was shown: become a mentor for a Future legend.
No sh1t, but the point of the video is what's the objective logic behind that in the cars world.
Obviously, but that also raises the question of if that were the case, why wasn't Lightning portrayed like he was? King was obviously a lot older, like Lightning was, but he was implied to still be consistently defeating the younger racers and being right there with em. McQueen should've been like that in the film.
@@TillmanStudiosisnt lightning still like top 10 even among the new racers
I love how he says that McQueen is prob just too old to drive competitively anymore. But decides to go deeper and find the real reason, just for him to say he’s too old
Fun Fact:
Some of the Racers from Cars 1 appear again in Cars 3 as veterans with different models, while still being the same racer. An example is Spare Mint Racer Ernie Gearson, who appears in Cars 1 as a 70s-80s body model racer, but appears again in Cars 3 with a more rounded body that is completely different to his old one. How this fits into the theory I don’t know. I think how it works is that Stock Cars can upgrade to other Stock Cars models, but can not upgrade to next gens due to vast mechanical distances. Why the lemons can’t upgrade while these racers could, inconsistent writing ig 🤷.
Also in cars 2 the yellow car racer
I think it’s because racers retired and then were replaced by more updated cars
Don’t forget that Mack said “thank the manufacturer, you’re alive!” In the first cars movie when they found McQueen
Storm had so much potential to be a great friend for mcqueen, they'd be a great duo together! And mcqueen could've taught Storm to be more humble cuz he was like the same in the 1st movie!
your theory reminds me of the 2005 film Robots. Robots start out as baby models then “grow up” by installing new parts
Edit: thanks for all the likes
Thats my favorite movie!
"Upgrades people, upgrades"!
Was just going to say exactly that. I only watched it once, but the concept is fresh in the back of my mind!
I was thinking the same thing the whole time, heck that's what I thought years ago
I love that movie
Fun how I just rewatched Car 1,2,3 just now
Oh perfect! This was a great time to make this video then!
@@IsaacCarlson Hey Isaac just wanted to touch on the fact that some of the veteran racers from cars 3 were actually the same people in the original (eg Murray Clutchburn) Cars so therefore they were able to change not only their shape and transform into newer gen models
This is something i wonder ever time i watch cars 3.
Wasn't it also becuase lighting started to overthink racing when it came to new gen racers appearing on the scene especially when Jackson Storm arrived?
Its like smoky said, its funny what a racer can do when he isn't overthinking things, and lighting even nearly beat cruz during training with smokys techniques.
He got soo close to cruz and would have beaten if he had mind
I believe Lightning broke from the new racers. You think Doc, who literally said "I still had so much left in me...I never got the chance to show 'em", would've agreed to McQueen quitting, just like that? OF COURSE NOT.
I believe the lesson should've been "Age doesn't equal ability." Yes, age exists, but that doesn't mean you should quit. Many people became famous by showing their skill by continuing their profession past the age most retire.
McQueen only needed 10 percent less drag coefficient, 16 MPH more, less drag and more aerodynamics and needs to have the optimal race line and exploit the numbers to beat Storm.
Makers where to lazy to give McQueen a full makeover and tech advancement they screwed the movie
@@_SaikatBanerjee_
1- at that point he wouldnt be the same car anymore
2- that sounds painful considering that the Cars are alive, so that would be some very expensive surgery
3- i think that's not allowed, cuz if it was they would keep upgrading the previous racers
And life is not all bright colors, McQueen was gonna get washed at one point, he's not in his prime anymore
"Why didn't McQueen get upgrades to help his aging tech?"
You want Lightning McQueen to take the kid-friendly steroids for cars?
LOL WHAT 🤣
If you’re a car guy, it’s really no mystery why Lightning couldn’t beat storm. Less horsepower, aerodynamics, newer cars almost always beat older cars, etc
The thing that really bothers me is that Strip Weathers and Chick Hicks, both older models compared to McQueen, were still able to keep up and Strip himself was also a very smart racer. He knew how to beat the younger models with timely pit stops and optimal driving. I don't see any reason why Lightning couldn't have done that, too. Maybe the difference between him and the new gen was too great but honestly, even if he couldn't be upgraded fully to a brand new model, he was still fast enough to keep up with some of the new gens. And with how they built up his arc for one final climactic race against Storm, it made the ending ridiculously disappointing. Rather than go out on a high, he literally just gave up. In the first film, Strip Weathers was still shown to be capable of winning, even if Lightning could have beat him in the end. In the third film, Lightning is shown to be outright obsolete. It's not so much the fact that Lightning needs to step down that bothers me. It's how they handled it. Cruz looks like the same model as Lightning. How could she possibly keep up with the new gen, not to mention beat a champion in her very first race? The nail in the coffin was her getting Doc's number instead of Lightning making her 95 while he became 51. Just all around a very disappointing movie.
I agree with you. I don't think there was a lot of decisions that were made that allowed the story to feel completely satisfying. I just wish we could have seen Lightning win one Piston Cup.
Something unique about Storm's Generation (Generation 6) is that it was unlike any other change between generations in Piston Cup history. With all the others, the older racers were slowly replaced over the course of several years, whereas with Gen 6, it all happened in 2 seasons.
With Gen 1 (Doc's Generation), it started in 1949, and most racers from then were racing until the 60s, but then Gen 2 came in in the early 60s and by the 70s, there's only 1 or 2 Gen 1 cars left. Then, when Gen 3 entered in the early to mid 70s, Gen 2 started getting slower, and the only one able to keep up and still be a champion was Strip Weathers. Then Gen 4 entered in the 90s, but they didn't start winning Piston Cups until 2000. Then Lightning McQueen was the first racer for Gen 5, entering in 2005, and from then, Gen 5 cars were appearing every year, like Cal Weathers, Brick Yardley, and Bobby Swift. 2015 was the only year to have all Gen 5 cars as Jackson Storm entered in 2016, and interest in Next-Gen racers rose. They were designed to be the perfect racers, and that's why they were entering every race. As Natalie Certain said, "Every week, we've seen veteran racers either retire, like Cal Weathers tonight, or fired to make room for these younger, faster racers."
All of this can be just explained with their names. In the first film, he made a joke to Thunder and saying that it always comes after "lightning" ca-chow.. but Storm is the forefront of the storm, storm will bring the lightning.
So the next gens best is going to be called something like Calm or Mellow?
I think it’s important to acknowledge the parallels to actual racing, not only NASCAR but things like F1 and Indy also. Generations of racers come and go, quick on their day, but when the new blood comes in and their age starts to show, eventually they have to hang it up because the sport outgrows them regardless of their legendary status. Motorsports always evolve also. NASCAR today sure isn’t the same as it was two decades ago nor F1 was the same then as it is now.
New technology and ideas also play a role. When Michael Schumacher came into F1, he brought with him a training regimen that wasn’t very practiced by the elder racers of his time. In the 50s, anyone could race. But by the 90s and now the 2000s, you have to be in peak shape to endure the conditions and forces that comes with racing.
Age plays a role too but drivers like Fernando Alonso show that fitness and the will to keep going is key even when you keep racing past your “prime” (42 years old in a sport averaged by 20-30 year old racers).
Yeah I was about to say, optimization killed the fun people had watching NASCAR.
Two Examples;
Michigan Speedway in 2005 (just before Cars) could use 4 racing lines to win the race and it was drivers choice.
Today, only the high and low side are used.
Daytona and Talladega are the next one.
You used to see 3 and 4 wide racing at almost any point in the race for almost the entire thing.
Now it’s almost entirely single file racing for almost the entire thing, and at most it’s side by side racing. The “big one” (the big wreck that occurs in the race) almost never happens.
Not to mention the playoff rules are stupid.
And because optimization has caused less yellow flags, NASCAR had to implant a rule to have “in race yellow flag” stoppages. It’s actually really sad.
Optimization makes sports in racing very boring.
F1 is an exception because they are racing on road courses on open wheels, but without quality competition and balanced playing field, Mercedes and Redbull have dominated the past Decade and a Half.
So they are sort of like hyper advanced arthropods. Like it's a different level of hermit crab. Like they can grow bigger. But at some point it's just not practical or necessary and obviously it is incredibly difficult to grow smaller.
Isaac is over here solving one of life’s biggest mysteries, good job Carlson😉😁
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
upgrades are indeed possible we see how the tuner cars seemed to be running mods, especially Snot Rod fitted with a huge supercharger
It seems like the "Assembly Line" might be the equivalent of a "Birthing Unit" at a hospital. So think of it as like "Car Healthcare". This also lends itself to both the idea of mechanical repair and the limitation of parts. There's a reason there are waiting lists for organ replacements, it's because there are a limited number of organs that are donated per year. Likewise, there may be limited numbers of parts that can be used for repair.
Speaking of Lightning McQueen, do you still plan on doing a full backstory on him at some point?
Oh yes I'm sure I'll go do Lightning McQueen at some point!
When @@IsaacCarlson
@@IsaacCarlson Great! I can’t wait to see it!
ned wheeler done that i dont if its true what he said
Theory idea when shrek goes into the alternate timeline in shrek forever after what happened to fairy godmother. Does she just go about business as normal? Does rumple make her disappear in a different way than in shrek Two, or does she disappear because there's a lack of hope, faith, and nonbelief?
I been thinking about that as well since she wants her son and Fiona together throughout the 2nd movie.
There's an old classically animated cartoon (I think it was produced in the 60's or 70's - and I saw it on Cartoon Network back the late 90's) that is aesthetically the same style as cars (windshield are eyes, etc.).
Quick synopsis:
It was about a family of cars with the Dad encouraging his son to follow in his footsteps (or would that be tire tracks) and become a livery cab/taxi. The kid has other aspirations (he wants to become a race-car and compete in the local derby) and get's tricked out as a hot rod - new body, new engine - the whole nine.
He's punished for it and despondent tries to run away from home. The dad tries to chase him but the son is too fast. The dad struggling to keep up overheats and ends up stuck at an intersection with an oncoming train. The kid circles back and helps his dad off the tracks but gets hit instead. Thankfully the kid recovers and he and his family reconcile - he adopts his family profession and reverts his body back to that of a taxi...but he keeps the supped up engine.
When Pixar's Cars was released the style was instantly recognizable. So assuming it follows the lore established by that cartoon, then reproduction is possible...just don't ask me the mechanics of it.
would you happen to know or be able to find out the name of this?
I remember watching that exact episode of that show when I was a kid. I know what you’re talking about but I forgot the name of it
Technically in Cars 2,Lighting McQueen was a *next gen* racer,with a more simplified and quicker Engine,Also instead of the spoiler that the older generation of nascars have,lighting has a flat and modified spoiler in cars 2,so he could of been a next gen racer,it’s just for some reason,they changed him back to his original design
He probably would’ve been as fast as Storm,if he still has his Cars 2 design.
Umm you know he's a Hybrid right? Emotors provide electric boost.
Cars 2 was McQueen’s racing prime, the fastest he’s ever been. No amount of upgrading would’ve changed McQueen being old in Cars 3. The way I see it, the racers have their rookie phase, their prime phase which is when they’re at their fastest and their veteran phase where they’re old and past it. McQueen was at the veteran stage in Cars 3
I honestly think this works, even though the Cars movies were never intended to have any logic behind them lol. Cars must stay in their adult frame, but they can modify that frame to fit certain jobs, it just cannot change shape much, or have newer/incompatible technology added. Like you said, Mator has had every different look and car parts added, in the book, but his main body shape never changed(Even when he got the shapeshifting thing in Cars 2 but that was just holograms).
Closest we got was the American Spy, being able to change himself from the blue sports car(I don’t know cars, so he may not have been one) into looking like a lemon car, but its clear he had a shell climb over his body to change how it looked on the outside(as his transformations was different to Finns and Mators). Another is Dusty Crophopper had his whole body overhauled, twice, but his frame stayed the same.
He had his wings traded out for better ones, he got landing gear that could be raised and lowered, his propellor changed, he had his wings swapped again, he had a water/retardant tank added on, he had pontoons added, which shifted his landing gear. But his main body shape never changed. Even Harvey and Winnie(the two RVs from Planes Fire and Rescue) talk about different jobs they had when they were younger. Harvey was a taco truck before he was an RV, and Winnie mentions being half a ton lighter when she and Harvey met.
That is such a good point about Dusty! No matter what changes occurred to Dusty, he remained in main shape which shows that everything that keeps him alive is all within that main shape.
The world-building in ROBOTS make more sense than the Cars/Planes world....
When you look at Doc Hudson, Lightning McQueen and Jackson Storm's racing careers, it's pretty much history repeating itself
The important thing to learn from this video is that whether you're a vehicle or a human time will be your enemy, and it'll make you old and obsolete when life goes on.
McQueen in Cars 2 was able to beat Francesco Bourneli, and Francesco was 220 mph. So, McQueen could've kept the same body he had in 2012. Jackson Storm was 214 mph, so McQueen would not have needed Cruz's help, and McQueen would have won another Piston Cup, and the entire storyline would have changed.
You missed the fact that some of the veteran racers from cars 3 were actually the same people in the original (eg Murray Clutchburn) Cars so therefore they were able to change not only their shape and transform into newer gen models
Lightning was literally upgraded in Cars 2, maybe not heavily, but he did get headlights, a different spoiler, different wheels etc. it’s just that he wasn’t allowed to upgrade in stock racing because the rules state that he needs to be stock.
stock car racing hasnt been about stock cars for a long time. especially generation (4) that mcqueen is based on (from wikipedia): "The generation has been described as the generation that removed all "stock" aspects from stock car racing"
0:48 All of this isn’t needed the only reason He couldn’t beat Jackson Storm was because of plot In cars 2 the movie before cars 3 Lighting MacQueen was going top speed 225-230 they nerfed him by 35 mphs.
Cars 2 the movie before Cars 3 also featured a younger McQueen, try running a track now and repeat when you get older
@@dutiestcorgi8951It’s a 6yr difference and McQueen isn’t even 35. He’s 22-34 and men physically peak between 20-35 yrs of age. But let’s say he did begin to lose speed he would have lost that much speed in that short amount of time especially since he was still training he would’ve lost 5-7 mphs or probably even less but that would still put him above Jackson storm.
@@artix755 McQueen on cars 3 is in his early forties, you clearly don't know enough about the movies to be talking
@@artix755 Also going from 230 mph to 200mph it's losing less than 20 kilometers per hour which seems reasonable for an aging car that cannot keep up
@@dutiestcorgi8951 wdym only 20 kilometers per hour difference it’s a 51kph difference and it isn’t reasonable especially since he was still considered in his prime and we know that he didn’t stop training he should’ve only lost 2-7 mphs not 35mphs. Putting him 20mphs above Jackson storm lighting McQueen lost to Jackson because of plot you can’t justify losing that much speed
The fact that The King, Strip Weathers could still keep up with racers 1-2 generations ahead of him but Lightning somehow couldn’t just makes no sense. I get the wanted to centralize the theme of passing the torch to the next generation but Strip Weathers existence itself makes that theme hold no weight. And let’s not get started with Cars 2 lightning McQueen. I wish they kept Smokey’s philosophy intact for Lightning character arc in the film where instead of relying merely on his talent and skill he outsmarts his opponents on the track. Veteran athletes in sports do this as well all the time once they are at the end of their prime. Using experience and knowledge to beat younger more athletic opponents
Technology is the issue
Wish Theory: Chernabog was King Magnifico's Teacher.
That seems far fetched. I would think that Wish takes place long after Chernabog's time
@@marcusblackwell2372 but Chernabog is basically Disney Devil, that would mean he would exist before the event of Wish.
@@deshawnedwards6412 I knew that, but what I figured was that by Wish's time, Chernabog hadn't been on the surface of the Earth like he was in Night On Bald Mountain for centuries
Damn I'm 24 soon and whenever I go to a party or in a club I feel exactly like Mcqueen in this movie. He were a legend back than but suddenly realized he's not in the age for that stuff anymore.
“Cartholicism”
“Eastern Carthodoxy”
“Cartestant”
Jackson storm: thinks he’s the fastest.
Cruz: beats Jackson storm and thinks she’s faster.
Mater wearing the 2 rockets from cars 2:
Imagine dying because a company stopped producing replacement organs for you
i think one of the reasons McQueen couldnt defeat storm was his mind, remember thunder hollow, mcqueen didnt even got a scratch cause he wasnt overthinking, his mind was taking him down, with all that "McQueen is fading" or when in his final practice race, he was so confident about passing cruz he didn't even think she could pass him, that's why he lost that final practice, cause of his mind
They should’ve done something with McQueen since he’s the main character
What stumps me is lightning beat a f1 car
Francesco Bernoulli who was faster than storm at a top speed of 220mph or 354km/h
Jackson storms top speed is 214mph or 345 km/h
I get the concept is of aging however it doesn’t make sense that lightning with his top speed being 200mph or 322km/h was able to beat Francesco Bernoulli but not Jackson Storm
There could also be Restrictions placed on Race Cars and Planes that would prevent them to upgrade their bodies too much, like atheletes using steroids. It could be a way to make sure that the new generation will actually get a chance to compete instead of a bunch of Old cars with upgrades just winning everything
cars 4 (if it ever happens) should be about years later and storm being humbled seing himself getting old, and then finally understanding how McQueen felt and finally letting his ego go and feeling sorry
is that too much for a kids movie? absoloutely
but is it what would be the best story-wise? absoloutely
I watched Cars 3 in the summer of 2017 (I think) and I feel like Lightning couldn't beat Storm because Storm was new car coming from a training "car training camp" for rookies to train with the top car trainers and Lightning couldn't keep up because of the training that Storm had at the "car training camp."
Bro went around the world to explain that cars grow up when in cars 3 Cruz herself said "I grew up watching you on TV" and Cruz's Mom had once told her "Be small cruz..."
imagine the depression of being a train in this universe
This type of high quality content is why I love RUclips So much
Well it's just like real life motorsport - pilots of each generation become more and more precise, mastering and improving on techniques that the generation before them discovered. Storm took McQueen philosophy of "i am speed" and improved upon it with the latest that was on the market for his generation. Irl we had that same thing happening even in F1. There was a time when the older drivers refused to train in a simulator, because they didn't believe it was of any use. Nowdays we know they all spend A TON of time there and in sim-racing to keep their skills sharp. But back to the movie - i think they got too hung on the plot of Lightning becoming the master than the racer himself. I am sure if he spent time in the simulator and perfected his driving, he would've been a good competition to Storm. We see this in the technology center where the new recruitments were training. They were on the treadmills doing 186mph, while we saw multiple times Lightning had no trouble going 194mph. He has the speed to rival the new generation, he simply lacked the technique and focus needed to use it on the track. His driving was enough for the old generation where he was told he had talent is spades, but with the new generation, raw talent would only get him this far. Yes, the technology plaid some role into that, but even if Lightning had upgraded himself with a more powerful engine and some aero, he lacked the experience of racing with that kind of gear. There is always a learning curve and he simply was behind the new generation.
The difference was Lightening was trying to go as fast as he can on the simulators.
Jackson Storm was simply working out, practicing technique, and gaining knowledge of the strategy to use.
Like how athletes would approach working out. Doing reps makes you faster* and stronger over time.
Even with how the simulator was used, Jackson was using it more effectively.
@@m.c.martin That's what i'm saying. The real problem wasn't the lack of speed or power, it was the lack of razor-sharp technique on Lightning's behalf. His raw speed is what won him the races thus far. But this was as far as raw speed was going to take him. If he applied everything he taught Ramirez on the track himself, like following the slipstream, not overthinking and so on, he could've won easily.
Not only is there a pope in the car’s universe… but theres ALSO a pope mobile which has its OWN historical implications
I think Lighting could beat Storm after all but he didnt want beacuse of cruz.Anyway im so excited beacuse you make Cars videos keep up good work bro
Yeah his training seemed to be paying off because he went from last place to the top ten quite quickly
One thing that rubbed me the wrong way was that both the King and Doc were said to constantly defeat rookies in races. We even see this in the first one, where Lightning and Chick Hick, despite both being obviously younger and faster, they were rarely able to pass and couldn't get the King out of their way. Smokey says that Doc Hudson humiliated new generations of cars through his experience. Why wasn't McQueen treated that way in Cars 3? Why is such a great racer who is implied to have broken the King and Doc's records, not like them? Why wasn't his experience enough to keep him ahead like King and Doc? It doesn't make any sense to me.
My theory is crazy modification like that are not allowed in the NASCAR racing
Notice how Mqueen could change his spoiler is cars 2 but has it the same during his nascar racing? That could simply be because of the rules behind the nascar racing
I'm going to admit Jackson Storm is a fucking asshold for what he did to Lightning McQueen.
Well what about Francesco? He is still 221MPH as far as I remember in Cars 2, and if Cars 4 is really confirmed by Pixar then they better do right this time. I want to see Cruz and Jackson Storm come back but who knows XD
Edit: I do believe in your theory. Technology has been changing for decades and it could only be chosen and maybe Lightning didn't want to change into a new body or "metal" per say. Who knows but I really liked this video. Thanks Issac! :D
I have a theory that Francesco faced a similar case
Since he's based on a 2009-2013 F1 car.
He remained super competitive even when the new gen cars arrived (aka the turbo hybrid 2014-2016) until another gen appeared (2017-2021)
But still racing in other classes
Cars logic: We can’t make you better than you already are, what’s that? You crashed? Sorry, no upgrades.
Planes Logic: you’re made for crop dusting, sure you can beat a racing plane. What’s that you crashed? Here’s a bunch of new upgrades!
Hey Issac can you at any point discuss the Disney Multiverse? Because with the upcoming Disney Jr Ariel series I think it’s something in the Disney fandom that needs to be addressed and explored similar to your explanation on Cinderella 2 & 3.
3:25 Considering that these cars have actual, not even kidding, organs, can eat and that manufacturing is treated as the miracle of creation or something along those lines in this universe… yeah, I believe they funk wholeheartedly
This is how overthinking looks like
I still don’t know what made my brain search up McQueen crashes and finding out cars 3 exist.
Legit struggling to find out what was the origin thought that got me to this video.
Jackson Storm's greatest weakness is dirt.
Yup
This is probably the only movie that i still haven't changed my opinion on since my childhood.
I don't really care about Cruz, she just appeared out of nowhere and took over Storm's position instantly, there was practically no actual buildup, so everything just seemed forced, there was no actual reason behind it. I would have liked if it was someone who already had a good past in the racing career, someone that was already building up a name not some random fan that was a instrunctor for machinery, not even an actual racer
I think Lighting couldn't beat Storm was because of his psychological issues more than physical issues. When Storm beat him for the first time, his cofidence was affected. Storm's ironies, friends' retirements, and media framing just made it worst. He tried too hard to improve that he can still win just made him had that terrible accident, at the moment, the cofidence he used to have was died out.
McQueen can still overtake most of the next gen racers though
I know those who could take the challenge of being the All known and proclaimed "Jackson Storm".
the lewis hamilton effect 💀
Fun fact: Prime Mcqueen was proven to be faster than Storm
obviously
Fun fact : jackson didn't reach his prime in the cars 3
Well dude u gotta accept that prime jackson would beat prime McQueen
McQueens top speed in the first movies was 185 mph
And in second it was 230 mph
And in third it was 200 something
And jacksons top speed in the third (rookie season) was 218 so if prime jackson would be around 270 😞
@@dhruvishparmar7029 nah id win
Reminds me of upgrading PCs. They eventually cannot be upgraded anymore better because the newer parts are just not compatible for older hardware.
Unless you change the motherboard, but then it can't be considered the same PC anymore
Video: why couldn’t lightning beat storm? Well not because he was too old, it was because his model was outdated and upgrades today weren’t compatible (I.e. he was too old) also throw in a couple useless cars and plane’s references.
There I explained the video now you can save 12 minutes of your life.
There’s gonna be that moment in life where you just aren’t the best anymore and gotta know when it’s time to let the new group come along. Like McQueen’s still good, but the new cars are running the game now.
In "Cars 3," Lightning McQueen couldn't beat Jackson Storm initially because Storm represented the next generation of racing, equipped with cutting-edge technology and a sleek design that gave him a significant speed advantage. McQueen, while talented and experienced, was struggling to keep up with Storm's speed and agility.
Additionally, McQueen was facing doubts and insecurities about his own abilities as he aged and saw newer, faster cars like Storm dominating the racing scene. It wasn't until McQueen embraced new training methods, learned from other racers, and tapped into his own strengths and experience that he was able to compete with Storm on equal footing.
So, it wasn't just about raw speed but also about adapting to change, overcoming self-doubt, and finding new ways to compete effectively in a rapidly evolving racing world.
If they repaired the frame parts or strengthened the rigity of Lightning McQueen's old body, he would've performed tons better, with thicker tubing to keep the car stable at high speeds (thats the platform those series or typically Menards series racecars were built on, tube frame) he might have some understeer, but he would've won many races including against Jackson Storm, because even though cars got more efficient at getting up to speed their horsepower got lessened, but I think its due to the fact that lightning's fans would've cheered him on, as they did with the first movie. And sometimes all someone needs to win in life is someone to support them and make them feel wanted, theyre cars but theyre still living beings with real emotions as seen most with 1 and 3
If u didn’t here in cars 3 he can have a upgrade for every thing including his body but it stays the same with better angles for extension for the body but he said he’ll do it like he always have he’s old form but he does realise he could upgrade but he doesn’t wanna because he wants to prove everyone that he can do it with no fancy technology hence why lighting McQueen was asking Cruz to do things outside he wants to prove the people they don’t need technology to win on the one hand it’s been proven that lighting mc queen shattered storms record in cars 4 storm can reach 220 McQueen can reach 310 and Cruz can reach 260 but sadly it’s been cancelled so idk what their planing to do next what do u think about this reply for your thoughts
9:32 so it's kinda like hermit crabs , they eventually get too big for their old shell so they look for bigger ones
Tbh the worlds of Cars is confusing.
Like:
how are cars born?
how do cars die?
is there kids cars?
Why do cars need to eat?
can they drink anything else?
can a car age?
whats insides a car like?
and whats their organs?
AHHHH!!! SO MANY QUESTIONS!!! 🫨
its simple bro everything is explained in movies
just incase you don't know. If you open the door on the car, it will reveal their brain.
Half of those questions are already answered.
There are kid cars cause you see a lil one with his parents (I think) in the first film shouting "LIGHTING MCQUEEN" it's actually very cute.
I can't believe people missed this. Mack says "thank the manufacturer" when lightning was found, implying that there are factories producing cars.
I believe the manafacturer is just A.i left by the humans. And this Ai just keeps creating cars. And over time they started creating sentient cars that became more human
Jackson storm sounds like an ev when he first pulls along lightning
a transmission should not make noises unless you shift ^^
Jackson Storm is a legit Koenigsegg Jesko
King Dinico: hold my beer 🍺
Fabulous Hudson Hornet: sure about that?
I believe in accordance to the Pixar theory everything that happens in the Cars movies are the same thing that happened in the humans time
The point was to show that when McQueen was a rookie he was the champion but when Jackson came he became the champion and goes to show when you’re doing something for a while the rookies will take it
Cars in an amazing franchise! Thanks For this isaac! 🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗
McQueen probably could upgrade and add performance parts to his chassis but you could say that in the case of racecars, which are like athletes, that upgrading yourself is a form of using steroids which is prohibited in a competitive environment.
Thankfully Cars 3 Driven to Win has McQueen beating Cruz and Jackson Storm in the finale regardless of who you play as 🙏
PR department: “budget simply couldn’t allow it.”
Personally I just think of it like robots where basically instead of the atom it was a nut and that nut became a robot and that robot made other robots and so on and so on
Hybrid, light weight materials and a very aerodynamic body, the Tear drop shape for one makes the most difference.
Actually cars 2 lightning McQueen is actually faster than storm when McQueen was in his prime speed he was able to beat Francesco with top speed of 220 kph with storm being only 214 kph
Upgrades aren’t even an unprecedented idea because of the movie Planes. It would have been very interesting to see what an “upgraded” lightning looked like
It's always good to see one of your videos they're incredible and fantastic, Isaac you're the greatest ❤️😊 keep going this way 😍🤩 your explanations are very accurate 💯
I don't see why McQueen couldn't get an engine or aerodynamic or any upgrade that could make him faster, for example, in real life racing teams every year find areas that are in need of an upgrade because new technology and studies have been released that lead to improvements in races. So those racing teams could improve their already hired racers because that is the point of the sport whether the participants be "stock" or not