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Woah this clears pretty much everything up, I always thought in TLK it was Cybertron combining with Earth never noticed it was technoorganic until now. Still never liked the honey comb design of Cybertron, it never looked like it could've been a liveable space like what if some bots just fell off
The honeycomb design was only ever really used in the Bay movies. Not every Cybertron scene opening the movies had a honeycomb Cybertron, but a usually planned planet with roads and everything. And every other media describes Cybertron as being just a planet made up of metal for the most part and if shown never have the hexagons. Not even in my favorite TF games, the War/Fall of Cybertron
Maybe it's turn into honey comb because of the war?,i Mean cmon if the war could make cybertron surface part missing,then it's possible make the planet turn into that design,also it's possible since remember,cybertron at that time probably still has it's own gravity intact or they got a magnet under their feet
I think the 07 scene could either be the smelting pits of Kaon because of the claws and lava. It could also be the Sea of Rust which is where the Cosmic Rust Cannon could have gotten it’s ammo refined.
In bayverse kaon doesnt really exist instead Trypticon (sadly just a city here) is the decepticon capital so thats probs the location on cybertron shown in the 07 movie
Transformers isnt exactly star wars where some other department can expand on the inconcistency of its movie, by explaining it on a book or comic or something its supposed to be a blockbuster spectacle where the people who decides to view it would be in awe and then promply forget about it in the until next movie comes out
The Cybertron in TF1 was just how Bay probably imagined it would be, before he really started taking these movies seriously. But by the 3rd movie, he had more dedication in the series and gave us a more accurate/proper depiction of Cybertron (which is why it looks so different).
My theory for why cybertron is smaller is that when cybertron was shot back through the space bridge the metal broke and floated to the middle of cybertron and when quintessa brought cybertron she left all of the larger external peices hanging on in deep space to rust and worked with what she had
Yes that’s what I thought as well until I remembered that Cybertron did implode it on itself after the control pillar was destroyed in Dark of the Moon, most likely Quintessa took the leftover fragments she could find and reshaped it to her vision in The Last Knight when when she put to back together
Hey, this may not be a theory, but I have the interesting suggestion of how Optimus’ Sanity levels dropped, stayed the same, or raised throughout the first 3 movies of the Bayverse Edit: Basically what I’m asking is if you could make a video on how Optimus Primes sanity levels dropped theough the first 3 bayverse movies, like how I see it is: - Noble Prime in MV1 - Slightly Irritated, and growing disappointment and obvious signs of him losing hope - Completely irritated, willing to do whatever he can to end this once and for all
I think there's an actual system in transformers, like an inbuilt chip which possesses all the memories and everything, which is especially made for revival of transformer, like the fact that prime becomes very brutal after revival trans theories also made a video about change of nature of prime, May be during the revival that part of chip might be corrupted or something malicious like, which possesses compassion,sanity,etc like feelings .
Same. For me, I always believe that the this version of Prime just has a Post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD and the reason being that he's a soldier and lost his friends during battles similar to real soldiers having PTSD (I use to work for Blooklyn VA hospital and even talk to the veterans there who have them)
I like to think that the Cybertron we see in TLK is like an inner cybertron, and is also what we see in the 2007 film. Meanwhile the Cybertron we see in DotM is the outer "shell" of Cybertron. And you may ask, but why couldn't we see any hexagons in the 07 film? Well this is because Cybertron is a war torn world and some parts have been reduced down to the base level and I also like to think that this is Kaon, which is why the spike growth exists with all the dead autobots. And to explain the smaller hexagons, this is because they are closer to the core which cannot have the large hexagons for size reasons.
Haven't started watching the video yet but I say why Cybertron is so small in The Last Knight was because those are chunks of the planet that were left over and got stitched back together after it was destroyed in Dark Of The Moon
I would like to think that the primes had something to do with the origins of cyberforming because in the g1 quintess prime created the quintessons and coincidentally quintessa has her name similar so maybe she had similar power compared to the primes and when the primes died out she was the only "god" to remain alive.
I didn't notice that the first time I watched The Last Knight in the cinema but, the second time I watched it on DVD I thought "wait, it's smaller." "Why does it have vegetation?" and I came up with some theories, but yours make a lot more sense.
This video is gonna be awesome, can't wait to see some more things about transformers. Watching videos about transformers has always been awesome, thank you Trans theories 💛 💜 💖
wait, u mentioned that DOTM Cybertron was even way bigger than the earth when it was launched, maybe when it was sucked, it must have shrunk when it was being rebuilt, and Quintessa must have found the remaining pieces of Cybertron and had a inspiration of a honeycomb look and wanted to have non Cybertronian robots, so she grew these grasses around Cybertron
I'm a huge fan of the Bayverse movies, I had a lot of questions like "how C-tron survived the wormhole collapse, why was it smaller, how was Optimus a Knight and so on, and I made a lot of assumptions,never quite being sure about them. You're videos have broadened my perspective and answered all my questions. Thanks Theorymus, keep it up:)
I've always seeked an answer for this... although in DOTM Cybertron was way bigger when it was being transporter by the space Bridge, but in the recent movie it was smaller lol
Man I’ve been binge watching your videos a lot and it got me back into rewatching transformers after 14 years also could you do a new series of what if certain decepticons in the bay movies were to turn into autobots
I think here's my theory about why Cyberatron looked so different because I think when Transformers Dark Of The Moon started we a battle happening like I think Autobots and Deceptions war started but over the years Cyberatron became a wasted land like we see in Transformers 1 I don't think Quintessa use broken parts of Cyberatron to make a new one but I think she made a new Cyberatron in her own image like she wanted life in it so she had to add plant life in it
I agree with you because in Transformers Dark of the Moon when Bumblebee tackled the control pillar Cybertron collapsed in oneself and there was big explosion.
Ayyy it all makes sense now, also it really would have been really great to see Unicron on the big screen like just imagine what type of toys would have came with that, also I'm back after some long I still watch your videos but didn't have anything to say ,anyway keep up the hard work man🤙
Hey Trans do you remember when I told you about my idea of transformers revenge of Starscream? Well I said It might be done by the end of the year? Well...... it may be pushed back the 1st - 5th month of 2022 cuz I'm lazy. LOL! Also could you maybe make a vid called did canopy and trench still have their weapons from tf2. Basically did canopy still have his blades from when he was payload in tf2 and did Trench still have his wrecking ball he had when he was scrapper in tf2.
Quintessa is not a Creator, She is the Creator of creators. She is the version of Quintis Prime in Bayverse. She calls herself 'The Prime of Life'. She is the progenitor of the Quintessons.
One thing some don't think about is that planets aren't one type of "Biome." In sci fi, if it's one biome fits all (entire planet is one biome), we have poor world building...looking at you SW... I like to think that the aria with the lava pit and "towers" was once a "Forest" regain. And City reigns have the hexagon's as bridges, like we have crazy overpasses.
7:34 fun fact:the lightining bolt looking thing in optimus primes body is acutaly quintessas work its reparing primes insides and outsides and reformating him
I always thought that the hexagons around Cybertron is some sort of "shell" and that inside the hexagons Cybertron is more like a regular planet like seen in other Transformers continuity and that there are massive, enormous pillars across the planet keeping the hexagon structures in place, with the pillars miles and miles apart and the first sets of hexagons miles high up in the air with more and more hexagons and pillars on top of each other, so maybe that's why there aren't any hexagons in the Cybertron scene of T1 with Megatron. Also if you look at the opening of DOTM you can see some sort of "clouds/atmosphere(ish)" on Cybertron (or atleast that's what it looks like to me) so perhabs there is an actual planet beneath the hexagons. But the easiest answer is that they (most likely) didn't know T1 would be so successfull to spawn multiple sequels that they have to eventually show more of Cybertron so they just made Cybertron look like a regular planet, but speculating is more fun.
What about whenever Megatron returns to Cybertron where the Fallen and Starscream were after Megatron was revived in Revenge of the Fallen? Why wasn’t that included in the video?
@ Trans Theories, I was wondering if you could please do a video explaining what happened to Sideswipe after the events of Dark of the Moon & before the events of Age of Excition and the Last Knight?
I have a crazy theory: What if Cybertron from was fully teleported, and not sucked into a wormhole, but the Deceptions still lost? How would it effect the rest of the movie franchise storyline?
Huh I always thought that they made a new Cybertron from what was left over and nearby habitable world's with seeds and had to speed up the process for Unicron and push them all together which is why it's so smaller and has still had some vegetation
I kinda wanna think that Unicron should be a more neutral to benevolent being, who wasn’t necessarily evil but just attacked cybertron for food or because Unicron is multiversal level, he had foreseen the future of an attack from a cybertron that would try to destroy it and I only thought of this because I also kinda think maybe Primus doesn’t exist but this is just my thoughts
Hey trans glad to see your doing some good to tf but a weird question what do you think of the bayverse and Cybertron games being connected as rise of the dark spark presunes
You know, there was nothing wrong in G1’s origin theory for Cybertronians in terms of physics and computer science. Later continuities keep making things overly complicated.
In DOTM, Sentinel said, "Together, the Pillars formed A Space Bridge, which could transport matter through time and space". The Cybertron in DOTM must be from a different timeline which wasn't that much devastated and was transported by the pillars so it looked way bigger than the Cybertron in TLK.
Can you also explain something that has confused me for years : in ROTF, in jetfire’s tale he says there were 7 primes and at the end of his tale we clearly see 6 primes forming a tomb to hide the matrix, but in DOTM sentinel is in a spaceship not in the tomb
optimus and sentinel are descendents. or else they would've been in the tomb as well. and only 6 of the original primes formed the tomb because fallen was the 7th
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Trans can you do if the twins or soundwave or shockwave
I actually know a guy who made a similar video about this.
Hey trans have you watched transformers prime
Are you still working for Cliff video?🙏🙏🙏
liked devastators balls 😂😂 but good video
Woah this clears pretty much everything up, I always thought in TLK it was Cybertron combining with Earth never noticed it was technoorganic until now. Still never liked the honey comb design of Cybertron, it never looked like it could've been a liveable space like what if some bots just fell off
Happy to help!
I thought the bots had magnets like in TFP in the 3rd episode,would explain why they never fell off
@@Theorymus I actually know a guy who made a similar video of this.
The honeycomb design was only ever really used in the Bay movies. Not every Cybertron scene opening the movies had a honeycomb Cybertron, but a usually planned planet with roads and everything. And every other media describes Cybertron as being just a planet made up of metal for the most part and if shown never have the hexagons. Not even in my favorite TF games, the War/Fall of Cybertron
Maybe it's turn into honey comb because of the war?,i Mean cmon if the war could make cybertron surface part missing,then it's possible make the planet turn into that design,also it's possible since remember,cybertron at that time probably still has it's own gravity intact or they got a magnet under their feet
I think the 07 scene could either be the smelting pits of Kaon because of the claws and lava. It could also be the Sea of Rust which is where the Cosmic Rust Cannon could have gotten it’s ammo refined.
Maybe iacon
@@peanut-kd2ir Iacon was likely where it was in DOTM since the Ark was launched there
It would have been cool if they show cybatronian Optimus bumblebee exc
@PurpleOwlAnimation Most of the major cities on Cybertron were created in the 80s
In bayverse kaon doesnt really exist instead Trypticon (sadly just a city here) is the decepticon capital so thats probs the location on cybertron shown in the 07 movie
Unicron's horns were probably growing when Cybertron was close to earth in the third movie.
Wait a damn second.....ok continually doesn't exist.
Horny Unicron
It only grew because of Quintessas presence
Unicron was about to angry b*** slap Cybertron
I think that Michael Bay just forgots what happens in the last movies
Come on man. We got an explained theory on what exactly happened. Just don’t sh*t on mike
@@yuuyjaaj6721 I don't, I'm saying a theory that could have happened to
Transformers isnt exactly star wars where some other department can expand on the inconcistency of its movie, by explaining it on a book or comic or something its supposed to be a blockbuster spectacle where the people who decides to view it would be in awe and then promply forget about it in the until next movie comes out
Theory: Micheal bay keeps falling and hitting his head to make him forget
The Cybertron in TF1 was just how Bay probably imagined it would be, before he really started taking these movies seriously. But by the 3rd movie, he had more dedication in the series and gave us a more accurate/proper depiction of Cybertron (which is why it looks so different).
Everyone: this makes much more sense
Me: *I fear no man, but that thing...*
(Cybertronian Devastator)
*It scares me*
I wish they added that in the movies
Wreckin bals
Imagine the cybertron version of devastator flying and chasing the outobots around
Are you talking about Dragonstorm?
@@tank3.144 No were talking about Devastator.....
My theory for why cybertron is smaller is that when cybertron was shot back through the space bridge the metal broke and floated to the middle of cybertron and when quintessa brought cybertron she left all of the larger external peices hanging on in deep space to rust and worked with what she had
Yes that’s what I thought as well until I remembered that Cybertron did implode it on itself after the control pillar was destroyed in Dark of the Moon, most likely Quintessa took the leftover fragments she could find and reshaped it to her vision in The Last Knight when when she put to back together
Hey, this may not be a theory, but I have the interesting suggestion of how Optimus’ Sanity levels dropped, stayed the same, or raised throughout the first 3 movies of the Bayverse
Edit: Basically what I’m asking is if you could make a video on how Optimus Primes sanity levels dropped theough the first 3 bayverse movies, like how I see it is:
- Noble Prime in MV1
- Slightly Irritated, and growing disappointment and obvious signs of him losing hope
- Completely irritated, willing to do whatever he can to end this once and for all
I think there's an actual system in transformers, like an inbuilt chip which possesses all the memories and everything, which is especially made for revival of transformer, like the fact that prime becomes very brutal after revival trans theories also made a video about change of nature of prime,
May be during the revival that part of chip might be corrupted or something malicious like, which possesses compassion,sanity,etc like feelings .
The all spark or matrix doesn't give back the old soul/spark but create a new one based on the chip system.
Same. For me, I always believe that the this version of Prime just has a Post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD and the reason being that he's a soldier and lost his friends during battles similar to real soldiers having PTSD (I use to work for Blooklyn VA hospital and even talk to the veterans there who have them)
I mean fighting a war that lsyes for hundreds of years can be pretty taxing for even prime. He's prob just sick of the BS everyone puts him under
They did a beautiful job with Cybertron in DOTM
Agreed
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I thought cybertron became smaller due to it getting ripped into pieces when the control pillar was destroyed.
Huh, I always thought that area in the 2007 film was the Sea of Rust. But, hey your theory makes more sense than most of mine. Keep up the good work
I like to think that the Cybertron we see in TLK is like an inner cybertron, and is also what we see in the 2007 film. Meanwhile the Cybertron we see in DotM is the outer "shell" of Cybertron. And you may ask, but why couldn't we see any hexagons in the 07 film? Well this is because Cybertron is a war torn world and some parts have been reduced down to the base level and I also like to think that this is Kaon, which is why the spike growth exists with all the dead autobots. And to explain the smaller hexagons, this is because they are closer to the core which cannot have the large hexagons for size reasons.
Anyways thats how I've thought of it.
Pretty good theory man 👍
This is a question I have wondered about for years. Thanks for putting this out.
Haven't started watching the video yet but I say why Cybertron is so small in The Last Knight was because those are chunks of the planet that were left over and got stitched back together after it was destroyed in Dark Of The Moon
That’s my headcanon as well for why Cybertron looked so small in TLK compared to how it looked in DOTM
@@jackietang3789 honestly, it's the only way to view it, unless the writers just decide to retcon the size for no reason
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11:41 Hell yeah! Mechakong
This is amazing and honestly it’s a very beautiful thing to learn
I would like to think that the primes had something to do with the origins of cyberforming because in the g1 quintess prime created the quintessons and coincidentally quintessa has her name similar so maybe she had similar power compared to the primes and when the primes died out she was the only "god" to remain alive.
The one where Quntess Prime created the Quintesons wasn't G1 it was the aligned continuity.
I don’t think that one area we saw in the first movie was Kaon, I think that may have simply been a siege in the Sea of Rust
I didn't notice that the first time I watched The Last Knight in the cinema but, the second time I watched it on DVD I thought "wait, it's smaller." "Why does it have vegetation?" and I came up with some theories, but yours make a lot more sense.
I like to think the 07 Movie's Cybertron is some sort of "Sea Of Rust" where the rust went away over time . - . it's weird I know.
It could be
@@Theorymus Really?
Me:*sees name*
Me: I AIN'T MISSIN THAT!
And the part where you were talking about the hexagon and lava pits that might be iacon like in the games of you've played them
This video is gonna be awesome, can't wait to see some more things about transformers. Watching videos about transformers has always been awesome, thank you Trans theories 💛 💜 💖
Wow this was another amazing theory thank you for that Trans hope you make more great ones in the future
wait, u mentioned that DOTM Cybertron was even way bigger than the earth when it was launched, maybe when it was sucked, it must have shrunk when it was being rebuilt, and Quintessa must have found the remaining pieces of Cybertron and had a inspiration of a honeycomb look and wanted to have non Cybertronian robots, so she grew these grasses around Cybertron
I'm a huge fan of the Bayverse movies, I had a lot of questions like "how C-tron survived the wormhole collapse, why was it smaller, how was Optimus a Knight and so on, and I made a lot of assumptions,never quite being sure about them. You're videos have broadened my perspective and answered all my questions. Thanks Theorymus, keep it up:)
New series idea: What if i didnt survive, could be kinda fun i guess
True; I can’t wait for Bumblebee’s
Finally! A video on Cybertron, nice work!
Yeah
Great video I’m a huge Transformers fan and I love the Bayverse and your channel.
Dark of the Moon is an underrated masterpiece
Another great video by Trans Theories keep it up I always look forward for your videos
3:35 I always thought this was the sea of rust
I need more of the Bayverse
I've always seeked an answer for this... although in DOTM Cybertron was way bigger when it was being transporter by the space Bridge, but in the recent movie it was smaller lol
Man I’ve been binge watching your videos a lot and it got me back into rewatching transformers after 14 years also could you do a new series of what if certain decepticons in the bay movies were to turn into autobots
you should do a video on the biology from the bayformers
also great video man, happy to see your channel has grown since i was last here
I think you're right about it being Kaon as in some TF video games and shows, Kaon is a hellish location with dark skies and melting pools.
I honestly always believed that this was just a planet that Quintesa reformed with Cybertrons remains, maybe even one of his moons
I still want a 6 movie but forgot what happened in AOE and TLK and reckon it
Optimus's voice gave me shivers for some reason.
I knew two things about cybertron before this
It’s big and it’s metal
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I think here's my theory about why Cyberatron looked so different because I think when Transformers Dark Of The Moon started we a battle happening like I think Autobots and Deceptions war started but over the years Cyberatron became a wasted land like we see in Transformers 1
I don't think Quintessa use broken parts of Cyberatron to make a new one but I think she made a new Cyberatron in her own image like she wanted life in it so she had to add plant life in it
0:36 his face tho 🤣🤣🤣
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I guess why Cybertron shrinked in The Last Knight is because Cybertron was damaged in DOTM leaving scraps across space
I agree with you because in Transformers Dark of the Moon when Bumblebee tackled the control pillar Cybertron collapsed in oneself and there was big explosion.
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Hey trans theories great video like always and love that part between 35-41 lol
Love the design of cybertron from dark of the moon
I never thought I would hear about manscaped in your videos
Ayyy it all makes sense now, also it really would have been really great to see Unicron on the big screen like just imagine what type of toys would have came with that, also I'm back after some long I still watch your videos but didn't have anything to say ,anyway keep up the hard work man🤙
Hey Trans do you remember when I told you about my idea of transformers revenge of Starscream?
Well I said It might be done by the end of the year? Well......
it may be pushed back the 1st - 5th month of 2022 cuz I'm lazy. LOL!
Also could you maybe make a vid called did canopy and trench still have their weapons from tf2.
Basically did canopy still have his blades from when he was payload in tf2 and did Trench still have his wrecking ball he had when he was scrapper in tf2.
Hey! It's been, what, 5 months since we met on my stream? Congrats on 138k!
Another amazing video as always. Keep up the good work
I Love These Videos Jason Keep It Up and don't stop
You have the best explanation i ever heard
Quintessa is not a Creator, She is the Creator of creators. She is the version of Quintis Prime in Bayverse. She calls herself 'The Prime of Life'. She is the progenitor of the Quintessons.
Great video bro,learned alot of things👏
One thing some don't think about is that planets aren't one type of "Biome." In sci fi, if it's one biome fits all (entire planet is one biome), we have poor world building...looking at you SW... I like to think that the aria with the lava pit and "towers" was once a "Forest" regain. And City reigns have the hexagon's as bridges, like we have crazy overpasses.
I just thought that what if the cybertron we see in 2007 could possibly the sea of rust like in the WFC game
Great videos as always really enjoy watching your videos trans
7:34 fun fact:the lightining bolt looking thing in optimus primes body is acutaly quintessas work its reparing primes insides and outsides and reformating him
I always thought that the hexagons around Cybertron is some sort of "shell" and that inside the hexagons Cybertron is more like a regular planet like seen in other Transformers continuity and that there are massive, enormous pillars across the planet keeping the hexagon structures in place, with the pillars miles and miles apart and the first sets of hexagons miles high up in the air with more and more hexagons and pillars on top of each other, so maybe that's why there aren't any hexagons in the Cybertron scene of T1 with Megatron. Also if you look at the opening of DOTM you can see some sort of "clouds/atmosphere(ish)" on Cybertron (or atleast that's what it looks like to me) so perhabs there is an actual planet beneath the hexagons.
But the easiest answer is that they (most likely) didn't know T1 would be so successfull to spawn multiple sequels that they have to eventually show more of Cybertron so they just made Cybertron look like a regular planet, but speculating is more fun.
...Did you ever think about the spark of Primus? He's never even MENTIONED in the Bayverse.
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"We're Autonomous Robotic Organisms from the Planet: Cybertron."
-Optimus Prime
For your next I survive can you do shockwave and can you make it like a whole new movie like you did with Starscream
This channel is amazing
Been waiting for this one
U know its a good day when he uploads
What about whenever Megatron returns to Cybertron where the Fallen and Starscream were after Megatron was revived in Revenge of the Fallen? Why wasn’t that included in the video?
Thanks for keeping us updated I hope you keep uploading videos.😎😎😎👍👍👍
@ Trans Theories, I was wondering if you could please do a video explaining what happened to Sideswipe after the events of Dark of the Moon & before the events of Age of Excition and the Last Knight?
Wooaaah big brain man !! This makes me want to see TF Last Knight again
What is your favorite studio series figure and who do you want in the studio series
The 2007 Cybertron location reminded me of the Sea of Rust from the Cybertron games.
You should do a what if I died series
I have a crazy theory: What if Cybertron from was fully teleported, and not sucked into a wormhole, but the Deceptions still lost?
How would it effect the rest of the movie franchise storyline?
In the 2007 film Rachet says bumblebees voice box got damaged in battle who damaged it
Why didn't Sentinel kill Optimus with his rust cannon?
Maybe the planet was just decaying overtime
Huh I always thought that they made a new Cybertron from what was left over and nearby habitable world's with seeds and had to speed up the process for Unicron and push them all together which is why it's so smaller and has still had some vegetation
I kinda wanna think that Unicron should be a more neutral to benevolent being, who wasn’t necessarily evil but just attacked cybertron for food or because Unicron is multiversal level, he had foreseen the future of an attack from a cybertron that would try to destroy it and I only thought of this because I also kinda think maybe Primus doesn’t exist but this is just my thoughts
If Optimus prime had that mark on his face under mind control. Megatron had one as well so was he being mind control
Now it makes sense, lets go with that theory. Im happy with that...
Nicely explained 👌
I missed your vids thx for posting this made my day
I really like how these videos explain the Transformers Cinematic Universe good job👍
11:34 Never knew that quintessa was also a gardener
Hey trans glad to see your doing some good to tf but a weird question what do you think of the bayverse and Cybertron games being connected as rise of the dark spark presunes
Though the games are awesome, they are not cannon
This theories is tooooo GOOD to be true. 🔥🔥🔥
"Video of all Transformers Weaponry?"
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You know, there was nothing wrong in G1’s origin theory for Cybertronians in terms of physics and computer science. Later continuities keep making things overly complicated.
In DOTM, Sentinel said, "Together, the Pillars formed A Space Bridge, which could transport matter through time and space". The Cybertron in DOTM must be from a different timeline which wasn't that much devastated and was transported by the pillars so it looked way bigger than the Cybertron in TLK.
Oh yeah from the two deception protoforms of a police car and pickup truck are from dotm.
Can you please explain why hotrod was in WII but wasn’t in any other movies other than TLK?
Can you also explain something that has confused me for years : in ROTF, in jetfire’s tale he says there were 7 primes and at the end of his tale we clearly see 6 primes forming a tomb to hide the matrix, but in DOTM sentinel is in a spaceship not in the tomb
Sentinel is a discendant jus like optimus those are the original primes
The 7th Prime was the fallen
The 7th is the Fallen (Formerly) Megatronus
optimus and sentinel are descendents. or else they would've been in the tomb as well. and only 6 of the original primes formed the tomb because fallen was the 7th
Cybetron in TFP is the best version. Actually, anything is better in TFP
Can you also explain why when optimus prime arrives on earth he doesn’t look like the other primes
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