"Please keep your belt buckled while seated" remember this statement in every airline. Of course heading to the bathroom is an exception. But there wasn't 50 people standing so let it be a lesson folks as they ask and ask to buckle up and a lot ignore it.
Never understood why people unbuckle them when they just remain seated. It's essentially the same as a car... if you are traveling in a object... the seatbelt should remain on unless you HAVE to get out of your seat.
Why in this day and age do airplanes disappear ? The technology has been around for decades to have real time footage of the passengers section & the cock pit ? Airlines have the capability to remotely override pilot inputs ... where are the safety countermeasures ? Cameras !!!
@@theacechip How can I know that? I ain't no aerospace engineer. But, if you use common logic, if this is what really happened, having a total instrument panel shut down could have been the cause of something else going on in the airplane at the time. I look forward to hear what the investigators find from the black box. I remember though reading articles on the 787 having battery problems early on its development. Soooo, who knows!
likely due to the switchover from the generator in the engine to battery power when the windshear caused an unexpected change in the rotational speed of the engine. After a short period of this the APU would be commanded to start. Pilots have a checklist and they'll be dealing with that before dealing with cabin crew and passengers (hence a period of silence from the pilots)
I've never had a need to remove my seatbelt unless maybe to adjust my luggage, use the bathroom or check the window (and that too only if the person next to me is family or friend). Almost 99% of the time, I never remove my seatbelt. Technical fault or not, people have to take responsibility for not being strapped themselves.
"people" SHOULD take responsibility for ALL their respective actions. I am "up to my neck" with DISGUST how a certain section in society, a certain religion ALWAYS believe "It is the responsibility of The Nanny State, OTHER Taxpayer's money, to take care of THEM" Sorry, just sounding off !
Why not say it? Why are you talking if you’re scared to say it? Next time just shut up. Can’t stand want to talk but are too cowardly to actually say what they mean. Might as well not say anything. Corey Feldman type of person.
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Loosing altitude is no joke guys, this happened to me and my family once and I literally screamed as soon as the plane fell. Scariest moment in my life
A "technical" issue? Weather or clear air turbulence is not technical, so what was the issue with the aircraft? Human error, a sudden autopilot disconnect, an uncommanded control input, or a control surface problem? Something caused that sudden drop.
According to one passenger report, the pilot said to them the flight controls blacked out for a second. To me it sounded like everything tripped out but only a brown out not a full power cut if it was only momentry.
I had that happen years ago when I flew into Atlanta. It was turbulance. Everyone screamed. No one was injured. When I fly I never unbuckle the seat belt and this was before that happened. Turbulence is always a possibility.
You experienced turbulence. This was not turbulence. They said it was a technical glitch. Turbulence can make a plane shake but it wouldn't cause a sudden steep descent that would fling someone to the ceiling of a plane
A similar situation happened to me over 40 years ago when the lane hit turbulence and dropped like a stone. I was wearing my seatbelts and many did not and got injured People are stupid by not fatstening their seatbelts while in flight
Why couldn’t the interviewer ask the single most important question- namely- were you wearing your seatbelt- is that why you weren’t thrown around like the others ? I think even an amateur could have done a better job of the interview. Oh and while you’re working at that, maybe you could also learn the difference between a roof and a ceiling.
"I was one of the lucky ones who was not thrown around"... Most people are not stupid and already know the answer... when a plane drops, EVERYONE who is not wearing their seatbelt will be thrown around... Simple process of elimination... he was wearing his seatbelt.
@@JazzCatzs Because there are a infinite amount of questions that could be asked... why waste precious little time asking questions a mid IQ person should already know the answer to...
You don't take your seat belt off driving down the interstate at 65, why take it off at six times that speed? She tried really hard to get him to say he was terrified, but he didn't bite. Not everyone "freaks out" when something unexpected happens.
Sad for he flight attendants and others stretching their legs but otherwise there's no excuse for not wearing your seatbelt. You will hurt yourself and possibly land on some poor sod who is wearing their seat belt.
This kind of thing happens from time to time and that's why flight crews always tell you to keep belted when seated. On top of that, after the Alaska Airlines incident, I thought no one would dare sit unbelted. Again, people prove me wrong once again.
@@lancey1053Yes, Boeing using their own employees to investigate can surely never go wrong. Or how about that FAA in the US using employees paid by Boeing to do their safety checks, meaning there's no regulatory oversight from a neutral party. Gotta love Boing. Wait.. Boeing? Boing? Who can tell the diference anymore.
CAT. Clear air turbulence. It happens out of nowhere with no warning on the aircraft's weather radar but is not unusual. Most airlines advise you to never unbuckle your seatbelt unless you are leaving your seat because of the possibility of unexpected turbulence. I also see that in the comments there are many fingers pointing at MCAS without knowing what they are talking about. The 787 Dreamliner doesn't have and NEVER has had an MCAS. MCAS is a 737-MAX series-only fitment.
The nzherald had an article saying that the pilot experienced an instrument panel shut down. Someone needs to dig this more and find out what really happened.
@@Jddoes3D There will be an official investigation for sure. What you described might have something to do with the electric wires, but it's too early to speculate (as I just did 😅)
@@Jddoes3D You know, after that big earthquake in Turkey (I think it was last year in February), mass media in my country only spoke about earthquakes - how bad our buildings are, how many would die and so on. It made me feel like any day now there's gonna be a big big earthquake and that I might not make it. I imagine most people in US have similar fears now, except is about traveling by plane. Truth is, we may slip down the stairs and break our neck sooner than any earthquake or plane crash might get us :)) So watch your steps, kick out the fears and enjoy life. Cheers
This was obviously turbulence. What kind of technical issue can cause a plane to drop completely vertical? It I'd travelling several hundred miles an hour through a fluid (air). It's not a jet fighter that can VTOL.
@@abcd-by6rw sudden thrust movements could cause a stall and a secondary stall which would either rip the aircraft apart or cause a super stall (phugoid motion)
I was in a plane that hit Clear Air Turbulence (and a fairly minor case) flying over Malaysia once. I haven't liked flying ever since really and i always wear the seatbelt - there really is no downside of wearing it. Most sensible folk wouldn't unbuckle their seatbelt in the car whilst they were cruising along the motorway and then put is on again when they were in town.
Seems like the pilot said to a passenger he had "lost instruments" for a moment before they came on again. If that's true, it's very serious and not just a "technical event".
Agree that a rapid flight control input, hardover or temporary disconnect is more likely. Hence the crew statement that it was ‘technical’. It’s now up to the expert investigators to pull the data to find out the cause. To the FFS comment…old mate… sorry to disabuse you but turbulence rarely - if ever - manifests itself as one single jolt. (From someone who knows a bit about meteorology).
@@AI-censorship-in-progressWhy would an airline describe it as "technical" then ? Turbulence happens at least once a day. Injuries due to syrong turbulence at least once every few weeks. So airlines, the media and the public know how to call it. --> turbulence Exactly as it is. But this time it's called. "Technical" some websites and commentors also report that the pilot stayed they lost all instruments and the autopilot and therefore the plane started descending. And this is literally exactly what you would call a "technical malfunction" Why call it technical if it was just ordinary turbulence ? 🤷🏻♂️ So something regarding the technology of the jet caused it, NOT the weather...
We don't know yet what caused it. Usually the state of registry and manufacturer do a quick investigation after interviewing the crew and reading the flight data recorders to determine whether there is an urgent problem to be fixed. In extreme cases they ground the fleet, but that is rare because of commercial pressures and potential litigation if they overeact. The final report on the cause can take months or even a year or so to be made available to the public. It p!sses me off when unqualified people and even attention seeking "experts" make stupid assumptions like "it was turbulence" or "it was pilot error". Wait for the report.
Unless you are in the toilet or stretching your legs, keep your bloody seatbelt on. I hope everyone recovers from this terrible incident. I regularly travel from NZ to UK and always always keep my belt on.
This is why it's smart to keep your belt on whenever you're in your seat. Incidents like this are very rare, but in the unlikely event that one happens the belt will keep you safer than rattling around inside
There was a solar flare event(from sunspot AR3599) around the time of the flight. Radiation is known to disrupt aircraft electronics (which is why you are asked to put your cellphone in airplane mode) thus conceivably a trigger of incident.
Not only can the instrument panel go out by itself (making the pilot lose control) but certain Boeing aircraft have a ridiculous sensor on the aircraft that if disrupted will send the plane into a full-out nosedive like this. In the early phases, they nearly had several catastrophic incidents from that sensor due to lack of training and failure to announce it properly to pilots.
Seriously this just proves that we need seat belts in the toilets too , else the shit hits the ceiling literally. Could it be sudden involuntary slats/flaps deployment ?
Flaps and slats deploy very progressively. Even if they were to be fully deployed at cruise altitude they would not produce such a sudden movement. If anything they would shove the plane upwards, not down.
The seatbelt doesn't even feel tight when buckled, I will never understand the people who fail to have them on when seating. I mean just thinking of the worst that could happen it will always be a benefit for the passenger to wear their seatbelt. Imagine going through the incident where the latch door opened during flight, without seatbelt you'd be gone.
It's always been scary landing back in NZ our Qantas plane dropped 4 times while we were about to land and everyone was freaked out about the landing that made the plane land to the side but luckily, there were no injuries like bruh it was nice sunny day and I assume it was windy. (Be safe traveling folks)
In the context of aviation, pilots need to be concerned about downdrafts, especially when flying near or within thunderstorms. Downdrafts can be powerful and pose a hazard to aircraft, as they can cause a sudden loss of altitude. Pilots take precautions to avoid flying through severe downdrafts by using weather radar, satellite information, and air traffic control guidance.
First doors falling off in flight... now "Technical" difficulties during flight... this better not be because the company chose to "tick boxes" over hiring skilled workers... if so, the injured people should sue them.
Boeing and Spirit do have major issues but this was weather event common in some parts of the world down drauught nothing to do with the aircraft. Just keep your seat belt fastened even loosely.
The incident sounds uncommonly similar to what happened to Qantas Flight 72 in October 2008. That incident, which caused 118 injuries, was caused by a fault in the flight control system.
This sounds very similar to Qantas Flight 72 (Airbus A330), where - due to some Computer Malfunction / Signal Interference, the Airplane just initiated on its own extreme pitch down commands which the crew struggled to counteract (and couldn't at first). Not an unlikely possibility, as both aircrafts are fly by wire ...
A gamma ray burst from a billion light years away causing a single bit flip in the aircraft's augmentation computer sending erroneous pitch readings to the autopilot and making the plane dive? Could very well be possible as that's what happened to Qantas
@@andrewwmacfadyen6958 sudden thrust movements could cause a stall and a secondary stall which would either rip the aircraft apart or cause a super stall (phugoid motion)
Always keep your seat belt fastened , ALL THE TIME !! This is called Clear Air Turbulence, or CAT. nearly impossible to foresee , Glad nobody was seriously injured !!
I want to know more about the instrument panel blanking out. I would assume the plane flew into an air pocket or something but that wouldn't make the cockpit loose power.
Clear Air Turbulence happens! In 1990 I was on a Qantas 747 Flight from Sydney to LAX. About 4 hrs into the Flight we encountered extreme drops, that lasted maybe 2 or 3 secs but occurred randomly for about 30 mins. We were in the vicinity of the Fiji Islands when this happened. Very un-nerving, like a roller coaster without the visual warning. When you're seated, keep buckled up.
Not one person who had a belt on would have been injured. This is not a "Tecnical fault' If you can't stand the "agony " of a loose belt during flight you deserve what you get. If you are moving to the lave run ypur hand along the bins.. Turbulence, including clear air turbulence (CAT) and gravity are not controlled buy pilots.
Is there such a thing as a pocket of vacuum? Only air will carry any flying object, therefore the plane "dropped". It is falsely called an "air-pocket", instead of "vacuum-pocket. I can imagine this is what happened. Can any aviation expert explain?
This is much more likely to have been a downdraft other than a technical problem. Downdraft are natural, fast moving thermals that just ambush. You can only realize them after they have hit the plane downwards really fast and you're at Mercy of your current high altitude.
They are not claiming CAT, so was it an "out-of-control" situation ? But it would not just drop down like that. If that happened they must also check for wing/fuselage g loads.
Sounds like the plane hit a pocket of ultra low pressure, and so there wasn't enough air over the wings to provide sufficient lift. I've also experienced this, 5 minutes after take off, luckily we had enough hight by that time.
I am happy to see who people in the comments are so well-educated and advising about wearing the seatbelt. This is always been a sensible thing that all of us must understand.
@@adw1z That's what they said in a preliminary report, but nothing factual has been stated since - seems oddly similar to the incident on this flight and coincidently is the same aircraft?
Yep the message is clear and simple, 'Keep your seat belt on except the need for a toilet break', some people seem to think when the seat belt light goes out its ok to unbuckle, there always the threat of sudden clear air turbulence which can be sudden and severe, so for those just sitting unbuckle, not a lot of sympathy from me
It could’ve encountered a descending column of air, possibly caused by the jet stream that runs along the flight path. You may hear discussion about Clear Air Turbulence related to this incident in the future, which occurs at the altitudes the plane was flying at when this event occurred. It can happen without any warning. At 41,000 feet the air is very thin and a change in air direction can have severe consequences. It’s also close to the maximum altitude of the Dreamliner so generating the required thrust to counteract the event will be limited. Nevertheless, the plane recovered fairly quickly and subsequently landed safely so it’s unclear to me whether the there were any problems with the 787, which everyone seems quick to blame at this point.
@@mervinprone Right, recent events point to Boing being at fault, it could be unrelated of course. I hope they'll investigate. I wonder if the recent spike in aviation incidents is maybe just due to more news coverage of a regular amount of incidents. Could anyone estimate how much the plane dropped given the details we know? How many feet?
"Please keep your belt buckled while seated" remember this statement in every airline. Of course heading to the bathroom is an exception. But there wasn't 50 people standing so let it be a lesson folks as they ask and ask to buckle up and a lot ignore it.
Never understood why people unbuckle them when they just remain seated.
It's essentially the same as a car... if you are traveling in a object... the seatbelt should remain on unless you HAVE to get out of your seat.
Why in this day and age do airplanes disappear ?
The technology has been around for decades to have real time footage of the passengers section & the cock pit ?
Airlines have the capability to remotely override pilot inputs ... where are the safety countermeasures ?
Cameras !!!
I always keep mine fastened, there's always a chance it could save you.
Yep. Every flight I buckle up. The only time it is undone is when I go to the toilet. Hope everyone is OK.
PTSD was created on this flight today. My thoughts are with them all. X
ALWAYS wear your seatbelt when you are sitting in your chair EVEN WHEN the seatbelt sign is off
What about the cabin personal ?
You want one to fall in your lap 😅
@@jeffreyrudolph5061 What do you think..
Yeah fuck that
@@Redacted341Donk
Why IS BBC not saying who is the manufacturer or the plain ….
I'm surprised nobody in the news media is talking about the pilot mentioning the instrument panel shut down briefly.
Why will that cause a sudden drop as opposed to a steady dive or roll ?
@@theacechip How can I know that? I ain't no aerospace engineer. But, if you use common logic, if this is what really happened, having a total instrument panel shut down could have been the cause of something else going on in the airplane at the time. I look forward to hear what the investigators find from the black box.
I remember though reading articles on the 787 having battery problems early on its development. Soooo, who knows!
They are in Australia.
likely due to the switchover from the generator in the engine to battery power when the windshear caused an unexpected change in the rotational speed of the engine. After a short period of this the APU would be commanded to start. Pilots have a checklist and they'll be dealing with that before dealing with cabin crew and passengers (hence a period of silence from the pilots)
@@davidhunt240 lol armchair expert I see, watch some videos on how turbo fan engines work.
I've never had a need to remove my seatbelt unless maybe to adjust my luggage, use the bathroom or check the window (and that too only if the person next to me is family or friend).
Almost 99% of the time, I never remove my seatbelt. Technical fault or not, people have to take responsibility for not being strapped themselves.
"people" SHOULD take responsibility
for ALL their respective actions.
I am "up to my neck" with
DISGUST
how a certain section in society,
a certain religion
ALWAYS believe
"It is the responsibility of
The Nanny State, OTHER Taxpayer's money,
to take care of THEM"
Sorry, just sounding off !
Why not say it? Why are you talking if you’re scared to say it? Next time just shut up.
Can’t stand want to talk but are too cowardly to actually say what they mean.
Might as well not say anything. Corey Feldman type of person.
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Loosing altitude is no joke guys, this happened to me and my family once and I literally screamed as soon as the plane fell. Scariest moment in my life
Neither is losing altitude‼
You need to get out and get scared more often.
Same here, it happened to us flying near a thunderstorm. Never been so scared in my life 😳 and yes, we were strapped in.
*losing
@@jasperhorace7147 🙏🏽
A spokesperson from Latam Airlines said 'On the positive side at least all the doors stayed on'
More like "luckily the secret door didn't open" 🤣
Keep your seat belt on
yes, true story, brother flies small planes, the Atmosphere is no joke
ESPECIALLY if you are in a boeing plane
@@astroboirap Don't fly then
@@philallen5406 I will fly. Just not on Boeing.
@@philallen5406
Lol
We will all fly on non boeing plane.
Ceiling, not roof. Folks hitting the roof is a completely different kind of catastrophe.
He's from Australia, it's a backwards country.
He's American, they're still learning the language.
Yep. The outside.
stop your petty quibbling over semantics, sheesh 🙄
That usually indicates a problem on another plane at higher altitude.
This is why I always keep my seatbelt on even when the light goes off.
A "technical" issue? Weather or clear air turbulence is not technical, so what was the issue with the aircraft? Human error, a sudden autopilot disconnect, an uncommanded control input, or a control surface problem? Something caused that sudden drop.
And most importantly, was it a Boeing again?
@@lazioboy01 yep a Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner
@@vexkiddy damn, everyone flying in a Boeing better have their affairs in order
I'd bet on severe CAT ( clear air turbulence ).
According to one passenger report, the pilot said to them the flight controls blacked out for a second.
To me it sounded like everything tripped out but only a brown out not a full power cut if it was only momentry.
I had that happen years ago when I flew into Atlanta. It was turbulance. Everyone screamed. No one was injured. When I fly I never unbuckle the seat belt and this was before that happened. Turbulence is always a possibility.
That’s not turbulence. There is an issue with Boeing stalking in mid air.
@@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA Regardless, seatbelt on is a good safety measure that we should all practice.
@@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA Your middle name is Bullshit I suppose. 🤦🏼♂️
You experienced turbulence. This was not turbulence. They said it was a technical glitch. Turbulence can make a plane shake but it wouldn't cause a sudden steep descent that would fling someone to the ceiling of a plane
@@whackeryounis Yes, turbulence can cause that. It happens before.
If it's Boeing I ain't going
Dumbest comment ever.
Good. Stay home.
Used to be if it ain't Boeing I ain't going. They've declined alot
Nothing to do with it in this particular case Boeing and Spirit don't control the weather
@@rachelar Thank Mcdonald Douglas
Feels like all recent Aviation accidents involve a Boeing Aircraft.
A similar situation happened to me over 40 years ago when the lane hit turbulence and dropped like a stone. I was wearing my seatbelts and many did not and got injured
People are stupid by not fatstening their seatbelts while in flight
Why couldn’t the interviewer ask the single most important question- namely- were you wearing your seatbelt- is that why you weren’t thrown around like the others ? I think even an amateur could have done a better job of the interview. Oh and while you’re working at that, maybe you could also learn the difference between a roof and a ceiling.
"I was one of the lucky ones who was not thrown around"...
Most people are not stupid and already know the answer... when a plane drops, EVERYONE who is not wearing their seatbelt will be thrown around... Simple process of elimination... he was wearing his seatbelt.
Of course, but why do you defend shoddy journalism and leave it to the listener to deduce this? Ask the damned question
Is there a sign that illuminates at certain times ?
@@JazzCatzs Because there are a infinite amount of questions that could be asked... why waste precious little time asking questions a mid IQ person should already know the answer to...
Bbc diversity
"A quality escape has occurred!"
You don't take your seat belt off driving down the interstate at 65, why take it off at six times that speed? She tried really hard to get him to say he was terrified, but he didn't bite. Not everyone "freaks out" when something unexpected happens.
Always buckle up when seated.
Sad for he flight attendants and others stretching their legs but otherwise there's no excuse for not wearing your seatbelt. You will hurt yourself and possibly land on some poor sod who is wearing their seat belt.
Thumbnail is 777-300ER. This was a 787-9.
Damn air travel really going through something
Going through the roof!!
It's going the opposite direction that scares me.@@tonymurray814
Looks more like a Boeing thing now
Yeah, DEI
I'm sure it has nothing to do with companies ticking boxes over hiring the best people for the job these days...
This kind of thing happens from time to time and that's why flight crews always tell you to keep belted when seated. On top of that, after the Alaska Airlines incident, I thought no one would dare sit unbelted. Again, people prove me wrong once again.
This wasn’t turbulence. Something malfunctioned with the plane
Ah ok, good to know so I can remain unfastened! Woohoo@@keithss67
Imagine that happening when they push the food trolley 😨😨😨
Me too. I ALWAYS keep my seatbelt on when I am in the seat!
The pilot mentioned that the instruments shut down briefly
Yes that's what he said, Hope Boeing does a technical investigation.
@@lancey1053Yes, Boeing using their own employees to investigate can surely never go wrong. Or how about that FAA in the US using employees paid by Boeing to do their safety checks, meaning there's no regulatory oversight from a neutral party. Gotta love Boing. Wait.. Boeing? Boing? Who can tell the diference anymore.
We went through this same situation with QF72 back in 2008…
CAT. Clear air turbulence. It happens out of nowhere with no warning on the aircraft's weather radar but is not unusual. Most airlines advise you to never unbuckle your seatbelt unless you are leaving your seat because of the possibility of unexpected turbulence.
I also see that in the comments there are many fingers pointing at MCAS without knowing what they are talking about. The 787 Dreamliner doesn't have and NEVER has had an MCAS. MCAS is a 737-MAX series-only fitment.
Thank you !
The nzherald had an article saying that the pilot experienced an instrument panel shut down. Someone needs to dig this more and find out what really happened.
@@Jddoes3D There will be an official investigation for sure. What you described might have something to do with the electric wires, but it's too early to speculate (as I just did 😅)
@@BlueSkyUp_EU I hope so cause I might be flying soon and the only choices the airlines have are the 787 lol
@@Jddoes3D You know, after that big earthquake in Turkey (I think it was last year in February), mass media in my country only spoke about earthquakes - how bad our buildings are, how many would die and so on. It made me feel like any day now there's gonna be a big big earthquake and that I might not make it. I imagine most people in US have similar fears now, except is about traveling by plane.
Truth is, we may slip down the stairs and break our neck sooner than any earthquake or plane crash might get us :))
So watch your steps, kick out the fears and enjoy life. Cheers
I had it before in 2002. Hit an air pocket flying through a storm across Congo.
Not wearing your seatbelt has consequences.
but it can mean that you're the only surviving passenger of a flight (air algerie 6289)
This was obviously turbulence. What kind of technical issue can cause a plane to drop completely vertical? It I'd travelling several hundred miles an hour through a fluid (air). It's not a jet fighter that can VTOL.
It was a phugoid stall which can rip a plane apart. They’re lucky they survive a Boeing flight like this.
@@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA no, a stall can't rip a plane apart.
@@abcd-by6rw sudden thrust movements could cause a stall and a secondary stall which would either rip the aircraft apart or cause a super stall (phugoid motion)
@@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA I would question your sources
@@abcd-by6rw then maybe you should question the countless videos on RUclips that explain it or even Google it
I was in a plane that hit Clear Air Turbulence (and a fairly minor case) flying over Malaysia once. I haven't liked flying ever since really and i always wear the seatbelt - there really is no downside of wearing it. Most sensible folk wouldn't unbuckle their seatbelt in the car whilst they were cruising along the motorway and then put is on again when they were in town.
Thank God for that may God bless you all❤🇱🇷
That's why I'm so petrified of flying .
Seems like the pilot said to a passenger he had "lost instruments" for a moment before they came on again. If that's true, it's very serious and not just a "technical event".
Pilot disconnects the autopilot by hitting the control yoke then re-engage soon after.
I wonder if anyone was using the bathroom when it happend. Would have been scary
Not experienced turbulence that bad, from what the passenger is describing is more on the lines of a stabiliser issue.
BS. Study some meteorology , FFS.
Agree that a rapid flight control input, hardover or temporary disconnect is more likely. Hence the crew statement that it was ‘technical’. It’s now up to the expert investigators to pull the data to find out the cause.
To the FFS comment…old mate… sorry to disabuse you but turbulence rarely - if ever - manifests itself as one single jolt. (From someone who knows a bit about meteorology).
@@AI-censorship-in-progressWhy would an airline describe it as "technical" then ?
Turbulence happens at least once a day. Injuries due to syrong turbulence at least once every few weeks.
So airlines, the media and the public know how to call it.
--> turbulence
Exactly as it is.
But this time it's called. "Technical" some websites and commentors also report that the pilot stayed they lost all instruments and the autopilot and therefore the plane started descending.
And this is literally exactly what you would call a "technical malfunction"
Why call it technical if it was just ordinary turbulence ? 🤷🏻♂️
So something regarding the technology of the jet caused it, NOT the weather...
We don't know yet what caused it. Usually the state of registry and manufacturer do a quick investigation after interviewing the crew and reading the flight data recorders to determine whether there is an urgent problem to be fixed. In extreme cases they ground the fleet, but that is rare because of commercial pressures and potential litigation if they overeact. The final report on the cause can take months or even a year or so to be made available to the public. It p!sses me off when unqualified people and even attention seeking "experts" make stupid assumptions like "it was turbulence" or "it was pilot error".
Wait for the report.
why you should keep your seatbelt fastened.
I was in the toilet when my flight hit an air-pocket and I ended up on the ceiling - it wasn't much fun and a little messy ....
Unless you are in the toilet or stretching your legs, keep your bloody seatbelt on. I hope everyone recovers from this terrible incident. I regularly travel from NZ to UK and always always keep my belt on.
This is why it's smart to keep your belt on whenever you're in your seat. Incidents like this are very rare, but in the unlikely event that one happens the belt will keep you safer than rattling around inside
Whoever was pooping in the bathroom will likely suffer PTSD from flying poop…
There was a solar flare event(from sunspot AR3599) around the time of the flight. Radiation is known to disrupt aircraft electronics (which is why you are asked to put your cellphone in airplane mode) thus conceivably a trigger of incident.
"I'm in good nik" that's all you want. Excellent interview Brian Sir.
'technical event' that's a new one.
Not only can the instrument panel go out by itself (making the pilot lose control) but certain Boeing aircraft have a ridiculous sensor on the aircraft that if disrupted will send the plane into a full-out nosedive like this.
In the early phases, they nearly had several catastrophic incidents from that sensor due to lack of training and failure to announce it properly to pilots.
Seriously this just proves that we need seat belts in the toilets too , else the shit hits the ceiling literally. Could it be sudden involuntary slats/flaps deployment ?
A seat belt won't stop the shit itself from flying out of the toilet.
@@martytdd1606I think the shit would hit the fan ( extractor ) in the toilet
Could be a rentry problem. Yeuch.
Next time you're on a plane, note all the rounded shapes in the toilet.
They're there exactly so that turbulence doesn't kill people. :)
Flaps and slats deploy very progressively. Even if they were to be fully deployed at cruise altitude they would not produce such a sudden movement. If anything they would shove the plane upwards, not down.
The seatbelt doesn't even feel tight when buckled, I will never understand the people who fail to have them on when seating. I mean just thinking of the worst that could happen it will always be a benefit for the passenger to wear their seatbelt. Imagine going through the incident where the latch door opened during flight, without seatbelt you'd be gone.
It's always been scary landing back in NZ our Qantas plane dropped 4 times while we were about to land and everyone was freaked out about the landing that made the plane land to the side but luckily, there were no injuries like bruh it was nice sunny day and I assume it was windy.
(Be safe traveling folks)
Thank the lord , the Pilots weren’t thrown from their seats…….
If it’s Boeing, I Ain’t Going!!!
I hope no one was on the toilet at the time.
Please fasten your seatbelt is not a joke .. hope all passengers will be ok
Seat belts people…I never undo mine unless I’m going to the toilet….hope everyone recovers ok
In the context of aviation, pilots need to be concerned about downdrafts, especially when flying near or within thunderstorms. Downdrafts can be powerful and pose a hazard to aircraft, as they can cause a sudden loss of altitude. Pilots take precautions to avoid flying through severe downdrafts by using weather radar, satellite information, and air traffic control guidance.
First doors falling off in flight... now "Technical" difficulties during flight... this better not be because the company chose to "tick boxes" over hiring skilled workers... if so, the injured people should sue them.
Part and parcel
@@jeffsimon9594 Seriously though... if they're picking D.I.E over peoples safty, that's gotta be illegal...
Boeing and Spirit do have major issues but this was weather event common in some parts of the world down drauught nothing to do with the aircraft. Just keep your seat belt fastened even loosely.
The incident sounds uncommonly similar to what happened to Qantas Flight 72 in October 2008. That incident, which caused 118 injuries, was caused by a fault in the flight control system.
It's miraculous air travel has been made as safe as it is today.
Lucky that the roof didn't peel back to open sky as happened on the Hawaii flight, that was a Boeing also
This sounds very similar to Qantas Flight 72 (Airbus A330), where - due to some Computer Malfunction / Signal Interference, the Airplane just initiated on its own extreme pitch down commands which the crew struggled to counteract (and couldn't at first). Not an unlikely possibility, as both aircrafts are fly by wire ...
Nope just weather down draught
Yours is the only comment out of dozens that’s hot it right. Boeing are in trouble with these aircraft. Someone is going to get killed.
A gamma ray burst from a billion light years away causing a single bit flip in the aircraft's augmentation computer sending erroneous pitch readings to the autopilot and making the plane dive? Could very well be possible as that's what happened to Qantas
@@andrewwmacfadyen6958 sudden thrust movements could cause a stall and a secondary stall which would either rip the aircraft apart or cause a super stall (phugoid motion)
Helmet on too?!
Sounds like similar Avionics issues to that of QF flight 72 (A330) in 2008 however, no 2nd event..
Sounds like they hit an airpocket. It's a low pressure area which causes the aircraft to loose lift.
Free roller-coaster always comes with some form of safety harness, use it, even if it seat belt sign is off.
I have experienced that on a Boeing 777 British Airways flight its called Clear Air Turbulence
Remember to always buckle your seat belt and never fly in a Boeing airplane.
Always keep your seat belt fastened , ALL THE TIME !! This is called Clear Air Turbulence, or CAT. nearly impossible to foresee , Glad nobody was seriously injured !!
I want to know more about the instrument panel blanking out. I would assume the plane flew into an air pocket or something but that wouldn't make the cockpit loose power.
I hate to hear stuff like that, when your expecting family from such destination.
Wow. That's a reason to keep your seat belt on, then!
Another report said the instruments went blank. Then, a short time later, they came back on. Sounds to me like the computer crashed and then rebooted.
It hit an air pocket ,sudden change in the air density i believe.
Clear Air Turbulence happens!
In 1990 I was on a Qantas 747
Flight from Sydney to LAX.
About 4 hrs into the Flight we
encountered extreme drops,
that lasted maybe 2 or 3 secs
but occurred randomly for
about 30 mins.
We were in the vicinity of the
Fiji Islands when this happened.
Very un-nerving, like a roller coaster without the visual warning.
When you're seated, keep buckled up.
That’s why they tell you to keep your seat belt fastened.
Even if you use the toilet?
@@QuaysHcrava-ne5thstop trying to be smart you know what they meant .
@@QuaysHcrava-ne5th You'd be one of the know-it-alls splatted on the ceiling.
Not one person who had a belt on would have been injured. This is not a "Tecnical fault' If you can't stand the "agony " of a loose belt during flight you deserve what you get. If you are moving to the lave run ypur hand along the bins.. Turbulence, including clear air turbulence (CAT) and gravity are not controlled buy pilots.
Pilot blatantly fell asleep and slumped forward in to the stick 🤣🤣
Is there such a thing as a pocket of vacuum? Only air will carry any flying object, therefore the plane "dropped". It is falsely called an "air-pocket", instead of "vacuum-pocket. I can imagine this is what happened. Can any aviation expert explain?
It might be a little Air pocket
This is much more likely to have been a downdraft other than a technical problem.
Downdraft are natural, fast moving thermals that just ambush.
You can only realize them after they have hit the plane downwards really fast and you're at Mercy of your current high altitude.
It was a Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner if anyone wants to know which plane to avoid, infact avoid any of the new Boeing planes, Dreamliner and MAX.
Ignorance is bliss but do not abuse it , please.
They are not claiming CAT, so was it an "out-of-control" situation ? But it would not just drop down like that. If that happened they must also check for wing/fuselage g loads.
Sounds like the plane hit a pocket of ultra low pressure, and so there wasn't enough air over the wings to provide sufficient lift. I've also experienced this, 5 minutes after take off, luckily we had enough hight by that time.
I am happy to see who people in the comments are so well-educated and advising about wearing the seatbelt. This is always been a sensible thing that all of us must understand.
It has happened in aircraft before, computer faults causing nose dives due to artificial horizon errors
Guys keep you your seatbelt on unless you’re going to restroom, 99% I do. And this type of has happened tech or manual error don’t know.
Drops like this, are natural air pockets in turbulant air
Same incident happened on Qatar Airways flight QR161 from Doha to Copenhagen, also on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner!
that was fully pilot error, has nothing to do with Boeing
@@adw1z That's what they said in a preliminary report, but nothing factual has been stated since - seems oddly similar to the incident on this flight and coincidently is the same aircraft?
With that kind of description you must definitely have thought that you were going to crash so I'm so glad that you didn't xxxx
Get well soon !
Yep the message is clear and simple, 'Keep your seat belt on except the need for a toilet break', some people seem to think when the seat belt light goes out its ok to unbuckle, there always the threat of sudden clear air turbulence which can be sudden and severe, so for those just sitting unbuckle, not a lot of sympathy from me
Jesus. I’m never flying Boeing ever again
Blame God's quality control of weather this particular incident was nothing to do with Boeing's major quality and design issues
They were forced to say "technical difficulties" by the airline manufacturer !!!!!!
Thats the real problem !!!
Usually the light comes on to put seat belts on during turbulence! Problem is they like to walkabout the plane
Was it a Boeing or Airbus? The instrument panel shut down? Is that confirmed?
okay but how did this happen? Just weather or a malfunction that caused the drop???
It could’ve encountered a descending column of air, possibly caused by the jet stream that runs along the flight path. You may hear discussion about Clear Air Turbulence related to this incident in the future, which occurs at the altitudes the plane was flying at when this event occurred. It can happen without any warning. At 41,000 feet the air is very thin and a change in air direction can have severe consequences. It’s also close to the maximum altitude of the Dreamliner so generating the required thrust to counteract the event will be limited. Nevertheless, the plane recovered fairly quickly and subsequently landed safely so it’s unclear to me whether the there were any problems with the 787, which everyone seems quick to blame at this point.
@@mervinprone Right, recent events point to Boing being at fault, it could be unrelated of course. I hope they'll investigate. I wonder if the recent spike in aviation incidents is maybe just due to more news coverage of a regular amount of incidents. Could anyone estimate how much the plane dropped given the details we know? How many feet?
Boeing 787 not a Dream liner, but a Scream liner🤣😂
Always wear your seatbelt when seated. Why is this so hard for people to do?
Sounds like computers went offline for a few moments. But what caused it!?
I always wear my seatbelt unless I'm going to the bathroom. This is wild.